“Sawan” / Red Panda Koala — allegation that the doxxing of David Grusch was ordered by “Disclosure Mike,” back-channeled to Elizondo (Sept 2025)
Source: X / Twitter post by Red Panda Koala (@RedPandaKoala), 2025-09-20 (~54.5k views), embedding a ~10:30 audio clip from a Twitter/X Space. The speakers are “Sawan” (a self-described former #ufohategroup figure who says he was asked to dox Grusch) and “LM/Lee” (another participant), with Red Panda Koala’s caption supplying a timestamp index. URL: https://x.com/i/status/1969209548021121418 Captured: 2026-06-30 — tweet text via fxtwitter; embedded clip downloaded and transcribed via Whisper (machine ASR; speaker turns not separated). Provenance only; analysis: elizondo-career-and-claims. HEAVY CAVEAT — contested, adversarial sourcing. This is a recorded X Space among feuding UFO-Twitter figures, surfaced by an advocate (RPK) hostile to Elizondo. “Sawan” describes himself as a former “attack dog.” Participants partly admit, partly deny, and dispute among themselves what was actually done versus merely asked. On the framework, a relayed allegation attaches to the accusers; the Elizondo link is inferential and is hedged by Sawan himself. Record this as an allegation, not established fact. What this is: the core asserted claim is that “Mike Disclosure” / “Disclosure Mike” (of the show Disclosure Tonight) ASKED Sawan to research/dox David Grusch before Grusch went public, and asked “LM” to use his wife’s/family’s data-access capabilities to obtain Grusch’s medical records (and, separately, those of Jason Sands and a “Haug”) — with participants saying they stalled or refused, and disputing whether the medical-records ask was acted on. Sawan alleges the push was “built off back-channel conversations… with Elizondo,” that Elizondo had fueled the idea that Disclosure Tonight would be the outlet to break the Grusch story, and that frustration when Grusch “went a different direction” drove the doxxing effort. Crucially, Sawan HEDGES the Elizondo connection: “it’s a little bit of a mixed bag… Mike took it upon himself to do that in his own interest. But the only reason Mike was even in that capability… was based off the information that Lou gave him… I’m not saying that Lou said, hey, guess what, use this one guy. No, I’m not saying that.” He also claims Elizondo (and his wife Jennifer) “still feed Mike Disclosure information.” It connects to the broader alleged harassment-of-whistleblowers / narrative-control pattern (cf. the McGowan harassment account on the Elizondo page; the Barber/LegacyProgramVP material) — as an allegation about that pattern, with the Elizondo node unproven.
Red Panda Koala caption (verbatim):
🚨 Whistleblower Sawan on the doxxing of David Grusch and research into his medical records
Sawan was a #ufohategroup attack dog who doxxed David Grusch before he was public. A year ago he said Lue Elizondo’s personal friend Mike Disclosure put him up to that.
We finally got Sawan in a space to elaborate on what happened and we learned Disclosure Mike did ask Sawan to dox Grusch and Mike Disclosure was asking people to look in to Grusch’s medical records.
Sawan and LM were part of Lue Elizondo’s favorite show Disclosure Tonight
[Index — The Doxxing of David Grusch] 01:01 Sawan didn’t want to do what Mike asked · 01:29 LM says Mike asked Sawan to do it so if it went south he could wash his hands of it · 02:30 Lue Elizondo had back channel conversations with Mike Disclosure that led to the doxing of Grusch · 03:45 LM asked how does Elizondo connect to this · 04:49 Elizondo still associates with Disclosure Tonight because they did something right · 05:35 Disclosure Mike forced Sawan to issue an apology, even though Mike Disclosure made the order · 06:46 Lue Elizondo’s friend Disclosure Memes/Uplifting Tweets gives cryptic message to Sawan [Grusch’s Medical Records] 07:05 LM was asked to illegally use his wife’s resources to look into Grusch’s medical records · 07:33 Sawan remembers Mike Disclosure asking LM to look into Grusch’s medical records · 07:45 Disclosure Mike also asked LM to look into Jason Sands and Haug’s records · 08:15 Mike Disclosure was asking a lot of people this and if anyone said anything they were character assassinated · 09:11 Sawan says there’s a pattern with Disclosure Mike and says Disclosure Mike is friends with Lue Elizondo · 09:41 Mike Disclosure and Lue Elizondo are still close and Elizondo and his wife Jennifer still feed Mike Disclosure information
Clip transcript (Whisper ASR; speaker turns not separated — “Mike Disclosure”/“Disclosure Mike” = the Disclosure Tonight host; “LM”/“Lee” = a second participant; “Lou”/“Elizondo” = Luis Elizondo):
[0.0s → 12.0s] Did you bring that to the authorities yet or did you bring that to David Grush? You just admitted to being part of a conspiracy to find the medical records where the intention is clear to do harm to [12.8s → 23.2s] David Grush ahead of everyone knowing why. And if the extension of this being Lou promising to be the guys with a scoop, whatever that is, [23.8s → 37.4s] it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if a person’s frustrated when they did. That’s what they did. That’s what you guys all just admitted to here, LMU included. If you’re being asked to do that stuff, you’ve got to do more than not do it. [39.0s → 57.7s] You’re being asked to fuck and find the medical records and use your family’s capabilities of finding data on an intelligence officer. In the United States, find their medical records to be used against them. [57.9s → 69.6s] You should have reported that. It’s probably not too late to report. Don’t you don’t you remember me telling you that fucking Mike Disclosure wants me to fucking like get on fucking Disclosure tonight tonight [69.6s → 77.4s] and talk about David Grush and fucking you remember you remember me. You remember me telling you I was extremely hesitant towards it [77.4s → 95.4s] and I was giving him the run around thing. I’ll look into it. I’ll look into it. But like I wasn’t going to do it. But you do remember me telling you that? Yes, I’m hesitant. I’m I really don’t want to do this. That’s correct. Why didn’t Mike Disclosure do it himself? Why did he specifically want to want to do it? And I’ve spoke about this, about what my opinion is of it. [95.8s → 103.6s] And from my conversation with Mike Disclosure as why he asked the one to do it. And Mike told me, of course, I would pick him [103.8s → 111.4s] because if this goes sideways, it’s going to be on him. So someone was chosen with his previous history on Twitter [111.4s → 135.0s] and exit postings as the person to put this out there. And he was encouraged, nudged, frustrated from a behind the scenes standpoint of what frustration was to get him to that boiling point. I he told me about it. I thought about it and I didn’t want to give him a direct no. Right. So I basically just put him in limbo. Right. He literally would message me [136.0s → 139.9s] the day we talked about it. And then the day after, like, hey, are you working on this? [139.9s → 149.9s] Are you working on this? Are you working on this? And I would just keep putting it back because they had a schedule and that that channel was going to explode. Where did that belief come from? [149.9s → 155.5s] And from Mike Disclosure. But was that just a hope that Mike Disclosure had or was there? [155.6s → 175.0s] No, it wasn’t just a hope. It was built off of the back channel conversations that were being had with with with Elizondo and with the information that was coming out. So the so I’m just trying to clarify. Elizondo helped fuel the idea to tonight that they were going to be an established outlet for UFO news. [175.9s → 199.2s] And were they supposed to break the story? That was the that was what was explained to me, and that was part of what led to the frustrations behind the disclosure tonight, which is what which is what ultimately, in my opinion, led to Mike reaching out to Swan because they were frustrated that Grush wasn’t following the appropriate channels that that they had thought maybe were agreed to before [199.2s → 207.9s] and that he went a different direction. Would they have gotten that far along in assuming all these things and the expectation if it wasn’t for Elizondo, in your opinion? [209.9s → 221.1s] I think that there’s probably either some serious wires got crossed or as I have, in my opinion, nobody else’s suggested that there were promises made. [221.1s → 232.4s] Where’s the connecting Lou to any of this shit? And because Mike and I were on conversations with Lou and I know things that have been shared to disclosure tonight that I know for a fact and what other things they were talking about, that my disclosure [232.4s → 238.9s] took part of that information or ran with it on his own accord. So, I mean, you’re asking like I know because Mike was there [238.9s → 249.1s] when I was talking to Lou and we were talking about there. Like there’s are you are you saying that he was getting direct orders or that this could possibly be Mike disclosure, [250.0s → 255.5s] you know, doing this, doing these things on his own in the name of Lou Elizondo? [255.5s → 270.6s] I think it’s a little bit of a mixed bag. I think it’s a little bit of a mixed bag. I think that the only way he actually could take something and run with it was information that was supplied directly to him from the source. It’s a little bit of mixed bag. What he chose to do outside of that. [270.6s → 276.4s] I’m not saying that Lou said, hey, guess what? You know, use this one guy. No, I’m not saying that. [276.4s → 282.2s] I’m saying that Mike took it upon himself to do that in his own interest. But the only reason why Mike was even in that capability [282.2s → 292.2s] and mindset was based off the information that Lou gave him. And if you look at if you look at the relationship post, Elizondo seems to have no issue with still communicating [292.2s → 300.6s] disclosure tonight, knowing the facts of what my disclosure was doing. Very fact that Lou Elizondo is still associating with these individuals [300.8s → 305.2s] means they did something right. And Lou is still giving them information behind the scenes. [305.2s → 332.6s] Was actively then was actively when we were doing it and still actively is. So if and I’m just pointing out that there is a non-genuine actor in this process and it and he is in disclosure tonight and he’s taking the information from sources built off that relationship and and he is using what information we’re about. So it sounds like Mike did order someone to do this one, did do it. [332.6s → 340.8s] And once we started talking about it, he was like asking him to not talk. Well, and as soon as Disclosure Tonight turned on salon, then they came back around to him and said, if you want to get back in, [340.8s → 347.1s] you have to issue this apology and then we’ll consider it. And then there were conversations in the back channels [347.1s → 352.6s] about whether or not they should or shouldn’t. I remember that Mike told me you have to apologize to me [352.9s → 362.1s] and you have to play nice with everybody. Very fact that they were like, you know what? Issue, issue, issue an apology and clear us of our activity within this. [362.1s → 367.1s] And we will let you back into the group. And my point is, is that, no, it doesn’t matter what someone said [367.1s → 383.8s] about his formal apology on the back side. I’m the one standing up saying. They’re trying to confuse what the narrative was, and Mike Disclosure was the one that was basically using that situation and using someone as a chess piece and what he was trying to do. [384.6s → 393.1s] Mike, Mike, Mike was upset because I would not go along with this narrative. How they were using people to either inform or disinform, [393.9s → 400.9s] maybe even unbeknownst to each other about what’s going on. And I do believe that we that that Swan and I were part of an organization [401.2s → 406.4s] that was getting that from a higher, you know, source, specifically Luella Zonda. [406.4s → 416.4s] Go ahead. Disclosure me. Hey, thanks for having me up. I don’t really do spaces anymore, but I saw someone was speaking and I just have a quick little message for him. [416.4s → 423.8s] I want to tell him that daddy loves him. Come back home. You guys have a great that wasn’t cryptic. [423.8s → 428.7s] And we me, me and LM. All right. I don’t know where you’re getting this fucking spin up from [429.1s → 433.4s] that we were doxing his medical records. No, we were not involved in any of that. [433.4s → 445.8s] We didn’t know anything that. There was an ask, though, outside of the information and research that we provided, there was a further ask to use databases to get more information. [445.9s → 462.8s] And that was on you. He never asked me that, though. That’s right. What I do remember is Lee telling me that Mike Disclosure contacted him and told his wife or something to see if he has any kind of medical records or something like that. I do remember that. And that is a fact. [462.8s → 475.0s] Right. You could see where like fucking that’s crazy sounding. And my response to Mike, when he asked me to do the same, but with Sands and with Aug, was I am not going to ask my wife to use a database illegally to give you information [475.3s → 479.8s] when you won’t even share with me like the background of what’s going on. And if we’re even going to have that conversation, [479.8s → 486.3s] that’s something that she’d have to be willing to do. But I did tell him I was shocked that, you know, and I brought up [486.3s → 491.2s] I was like, what happened to your access to the database? And he wouldn’t even tell me what that was, [491.2s → 503.5s] because I knew that he had it prior to that. So I’m like, why are you trying to like use me as, you know, the Trojan horse vehicle here in order to do this? And but that’s how people need to realize that’s how Mike Disclosure operates. [503.5s → 508.9s] And that’s how he was operating. And as soon as somebody didn’t provide him with what he wanted, [508.9s → 517.7s] you kind of got carved out of it. And then at that point, if you brought up that he asked it, you got completely excommunicated from Disclosure Tonight. [517.7s → 522.7s] And then they brought all hell fire down on that person saying that’s bullshit. They’re a liar. [522.7s → 528.9s] They have psychological problems. That’s all lies. And and that’s that’s the point that I’m trying to bring out is that [529.1s → 551.7s] I’m not the only individual that Mike was doing this with. And once we get enough of us, enough of us up in here talking about it, it’s going to become pretty clear that the people that he did ask to do this are he is using what information that he can gather from people based off of what he claims to be like his inside information that’s ultimately coming from brush and lube. [552.4s → 561.2s] For your point, Ellen, there’s a pattern with this, isn’t there? Because you did the same thing on the second hearing when we were supposed to have someone from the legacy program [561.2s → 573.4s] testify about a black triangle. He put it out four days before the hearing. There’s a pattern. Yeah, interesting. Why would the Elizondo still hang out with him? [573.4s → 578.9s] That’s what I wonder, you know, because they’re friends. They are friends. But yeah, we were quick. [578.9s → 585.6s] How close are Mike Disclosure and Elizondo? Because to me, that’s just the biggest red flag. I wouldn’t associate it. Like you said, are you two separate? [585.6s → 602.3s] We have the Grush thing, the black triangle thing. It’s odd to me that Lou Elizondo would still like even put his name anywhere near that, let alone go on their show all the time. Well, they’re close enough that Mike Disclosure is still getting information from Lou Elizondo and Jennifer, his wife.