Dean Alioto on The Experiencers: Full Disclosure — That UFO Podcast (2026)

Source: YouTube, That UFO Podcast — “UFO Abductions: The Elephant In The Room? | Dean Alioto.” Published: 2026-06-05 (1:05:17). URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLJR4-S_mJY Guest: Dean Alioto, filmmaker — director of the new documentary The Experiencers: Full Disclosure, and of the cult found-footage films The McPherson Tape (1989) and Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County (1998). Transcription: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps (machine ASR; minor errors, incl. “McFersonson”=McPherson, “Thuru”=Theroux, “Santelli”=Santilli, “Kuth”=Knuth). Captured: 2026-06-07. Analysis: alioto-experiencers-documentary.

Topics: the McPherson-Tape-mistaken-for-real history and Alioto debunking his own film; Alien Autopsy (Santilli) hoax economics; the new experiencer documentary; Betty & Barney Hill, Travis Walton, Terry Lovelace, the Berkshire case, hybrid/“disappearing pregnancy” claims; Michael Masters’ future-human hypothesis; burden of proof; and the imminent Spielberg “Disclosure Day” film.

[00:00:00.080] And so this guy pipes in and he says, [00:00:02.639] “Four months ago, my kids jumped on my [00:00:05.279] bed in the morning and presented me with [00:00:08.720] a drawing.” [00:00:10.960] And in the drawing, it was these two [00:00:16.160] little creatures, [00:00:18.000] stick figures, but had big heads, big [00:00:20.080] eyes. And he said, “What is this?” And [00:00:23.920] one of his daughters said, “Oh, these [00:00:26.720] are the little skeleton people that come [00:00:29.119] and visit us sometimes at night. [00:00:39.040] Hi everyone and welcome back to That UFO [00:00:41.920] podcast. Delighted to welcome back a [00:00:43.760] returning guest today to discuss his new [00:00:46.160] documentary, The Experiencers, Full [00:00:48.800] Disclosure, and of course, uh, creator [00:00:51.120] of one of my favorite ever movies, The [00:00:53.199] McFersonen Tapes. Dean Aloto. Dean, [00:00:55.760] welcome back. [00:00:57.199] >> Thank you, Andrew. Nice to be back. [00:00:59.440] >> Good to have you on. And for those of [00:01:00.960] you on YouTube or any of the video [00:01:02.800] platforms, you will see Dean is sporting [00:01:04.879] a rather fetching Oasis hoodie. Um, so a [00:01:07.760] man after my own heart immediately [00:01:09.439] there, folks, and I’m sure for many of [00:01:11.280] you, too. So Dean, um, great dress [00:01:13.760] sense, uh, great documentary. I watched [00:01:16.240] it again for, um, today and it’s out now [00:01:19.439] publicly. People can watch it and [00:01:21.040] already I’ve had listeners get in touch [00:01:22.720] today to say they’ve watched it, they’ve [00:01:24.159] enjoyed it. Um, so it’s getting some [00:01:25.920] good very early reviews because it only [00:01:27.600] just came out in the last what, 24 [00:01:29.600] hours? [00:01:30.640] >> Yeah. Yeah. Came out uh, we we had our [00:01:33.360] world premiere at Contact in the Desert [00:01:34.880] and then literally I had to hight tail [00:01:36.560] it back uh to uh, do the launch at [00:01:39.520] midnight uh, June 2nd. So, it’s pretty [00:01:41.920] brand brand spanking new. [00:01:43.840] >> So, tell us how did this whole [00:01:45.200] documentary come about then? Cuz you’re [00:01:46.960] focusing in on a really divisive and [00:01:50.000] controversial part of the whole UFO [00:01:52.479] topic and conversation and we’re going [00:01:53.920] to get into so many things including [00:01:56.159] where does it fit in the UFO [00:01:57.600] conversation right now, but take us back [00:01:59.200] to the beginning and the kind of embryo [00:02:00.719] of this documentary. [00:02:03.200] >> Sure. Um [00:02:06.399] I would say um that uh it all started [00:02:10.560] with uh the McFersonson tape. The [00:02:13.599] McFersonson tape was you know my first [00:02:15.280] film. Um and um it it was uh for those [00:02:19.920] of you who may already know this so I’ll [00:02:21.520] try to truncate this. It be kind became [00:02:23.840] kind of this um sensation if you will [00:02:26.640] because it was believed to be real. It [00:02:28.160] was the first found footage film 10 [00:02:29.760] years before Blair Witch. Uh the weird [00:02:32.800] part was that I was told after three [00:02:35.280] months of its release uh or before it [00:02:37.920] was about to be released that the [00:02:39.360] warehouse that had the VHS copies and [00:02:41.680] everything burnt to the ground and that [00:02:43.360] I had lost my master and all of my [00:02:45.200] artwork and that was it. And then I got [00:02:46.800] a call 5 years later from someone [00:02:48.400] saying, “Hey, your movie was showed at [00:02:50.720] the International UFO Congress [00:02:51.920] convention, dude, and it’s believed to [00:02:53.680] be real.” And a lieutenant colonel [00:02:55.519] claimed it was authentic and there were [00:02:56.879] no credits on it. And after I got done [00:02:59.599] laughing, I said, “Well, you know, it’s [00:03:00.959] not real.” And that wasn’t the [00:03:02.159] intention. I just read the book [00:03:03.680] Communion. And it freaked me out so [00:03:05.360] much, I thought, how do I portray that? [00:03:07.040] And then came up with a with the idea of [00:03:09.599] uh doing it as a home video. And um and [00:03:12.480] so anyway, uh for the 25th anniversary, [00:03:16.239] the same uh International UFO Congress [00:03:18.959] convention reached out and said, “Hey, [00:03:20.640] we’d like to, you know, do something on [00:03:23.360] this for the anniversary.” And at first [00:03:24.879] I was nervous because I’m like I don’t [00:03:26.800] know the UFO community intimately and I [00:03:30.080] and I don’t know how they feel about [00:03:31.840] this film. And he said, “Dude, no, they [00:03:34.640] they dig it.” And um and uh they’ve also [00:03:38.319] got a sense of humor because I’m you [00:03:40.000] know, you know me. I’m I don’t take [00:03:41.760] myself serious. I take my work serious, [00:03:43.280] but I’m a card carrying smartass. So I [00:03:46.640] went and gave this like 75minute TED [00:03:48.480] talk. And while I was there, I met all [00:03:50.720] these great minds like uh Dr. uh Michael [00:03:54.720] uh Masters um and others in the UN UFO [00:03:58.720] community as well. And then I went to a [00:04:00.799] experiencer support group which blew my [00:04:03.519] mind. And I I had all these preconceived [00:04:07.120] ideas even though I’ve been kind of not [00:04:08.799] an armchair expert my whole life, more [00:04:10.799] of a proumer chair expert. And so I got [00:04:14.879] to a place where I went, there is [00:04:17.519] something here that I’ve not seen. And [00:04:19.120] because I’ve done documentaries for TV [00:04:20.880] and and um cable, etc., I thought it’s [00:04:25.040] time to do a really good documentary, a [00:04:27.520] premium documentary, uh and because I do [00:04:29.759] independent films, shoot it [00:04:31.600] cinematically. And so it it feels like [00:04:34.080] it’s um it’s something that is giving [00:04:37.759] the genre some hopefully um a cinematic [00:04:41.680] gravitas quality to it. And so I thought [00:04:44.639] I would do this in a in a short order [00:04:46.639] like within a year. And what started out [00:04:48.800] as one documentary became four. I [00:04:51.520] released the other two last year, the [00:04:53.520] Alien Perspective and the Alien [00:04:54.720] Perspective Part Two. This one was so in [00:04:58.080] the rabbit hole with abductions that [00:05:01.360] because I’m I’m making this I’ I’m [00:05:03.680] serving two masters. I’m serving the UFO [00:05:05.759] community, which has seen everything. [00:05:07.520] So, I’ve got to give them new stuff and [00:05:09.039] mic drops. And then I am serving um the [00:05:12.080] people who may be uh more critical that [00:05:15.680] are by UFO curious. You know, they want [00:05:18.240] to know what what is this um whole thing [00:05:21.600] and what’s it about? And I’ve got to [00:05:23.039] present in a way that’s um credible and [00:05:25.919] grounded. And so, you know, I mean, we [00:05:30.160] we’re going to get into the hybrid [00:05:31.600] program. No one really wants to talk [00:05:33.360] about that. Well, I’m not going to do [00:05:35.360] that in the first 10 minutes, [00:05:38.400] >> you know, the documentary. we have to [00:05:40.479] understand what we’re dealing with and [00:05:41.759] go into it, but we do. And so that was [00:05:44.720] kind of new to to to dive into that in a [00:05:47.759] in a in a credible science documentary. [00:05:50.320] So that’s kind of how the whole thing [00:05:52.400] came about. And and um and it was really [00:05:56.000] just kind of um letting it tell me where [00:05:58.560] to go. You know, in many ways, not to be [00:06:00.960] too crude, but in many ways, I feel like [00:06:03.759] this project and some of the other docs [00:06:06.639] uh kind of made me its [ __ ] It was [00:06:09.600] like, “You’re going to come with me. [00:06:11.680] Just shut up. I’ll get you through this, [00:06:14.160] but we’re going to go we’re going to go [00:06:15.840] in the rabbit hole.” And um and so this [00:06:18.720] is the result after eight years of [00:06:20.880] working on this production-wise and and [00:06:23.759] scouring for the best interviews and [00:06:25.360] with new people as well as you know the [00:06:28.240] classic cases which we’re also going to [00:06:29.919] cover, you know. So the goal was [00:06:31.919] ultimately and then I’ll shut up. The [00:06:33.840] goal was to um do um you know I [00:06:37.120] consulted on the phenomenon and for me [00:06:38.800] what I loved about that film and what [00:06:40.479] James did and it’s and it’s his doing [00:06:43.919] all of it is that he made something [00:06:46.639] that’s like the encyclopedia [00:06:48.560] of UFOs. You start there if anyone asks [00:06:50.720] me hey what’s going on with UFOs I go [00:06:53.199] watch the phenomenon. That was our goal [00:06:55.440] for this you know. So when it’s like [00:06:57.759] what’s about the these abductions? [00:06:59.199] What’s going on with that? See the [00:07:00.639] experiencers full disclosure start [00:07:02.400] there. [00:07:04.080] I’m going to before we get to the [00:07:05.520] documentary, it’s an interesting aspect [00:07:08.000] of of the topic the ‘9s and what that [00:07:11.039] was like for the UFO world. I I think [00:07:14.319] the Matrix got it bang on that humanity [00:07:16.319] and human society peaked in the late [00:07:18.319] 1990s. I think the Matrix was correct on [00:07:20.560] that because it was such a fun time. It [00:07:23.039] was very much no limits. [00:07:25.759] New technologies were becoming public. [00:07:27.680] the internet had its kind of burgeoning [00:07:29.599] age and you know AOL discs were being [00:07:31.840] posted through your door and you knownet [00:07:35.840] it’s almost an an ideal cover story for [00:07:38.240] anyone who wants to believe the [00:07:40.319] McFersonen tape was a genuine UFO video [00:07:44.880] and it just happened to be this director [00:07:47.360] lost it in a fire and then it turned up [00:07:49.759] five years later after it was shown at a [00:07:51.759] conference. Do you still get folks [00:07:53.919] believing that that was real even now? [00:07:58.400] it’s tapered off. Um I don’t get as [00:08:01.199] many. Occasionally there’ll be comments [00:08:02.960] on something that I’m posting and [00:08:04.960] they’ll say um this guy’s taking credit [00:08:08.000] for something. I still find great [00:08:09.919] delight in that because it is a a um a [00:08:12.639] compliment to the cast and crew that it [00:08:14.720] it’s you know believable. But I I didn’t [00:08:17.440] help matters for myself when I remade it [00:08:20.240] for UPN [00:08:22.319] uh you know TV alien abduction instant [00:08:24.479] lake county that that kind of hit that [00:08:27.919] would have been a year before blur witch [00:08:30.000] as well that was 1998 and the internet [00:08:33.039] was just coming in full force and so [00:08:35.200] that’s when all the online conspiracies [00:08:37.200] started [00:08:38.240] >> and uh you know like I was hired by the [00:08:40.080] government to make the remake to throw [00:08:42.640] people off the legitimacy of the first [00:08:44.399] one [00:08:45.040] >> you know So, it’s, you know, [00:08:48.720] it’s a mixed bag because I had to go on [00:08:50.480] national TV, right, in like 93, 94, [00:08:53.600] something like that, and debunk my own [00:08:55.680] movie [00:08:57.040] >> and um and show behind the scenes [00:08:59.200] pictures and stuff because, you know, I [00:09:00.720] don’t I’m not here to hoax people. I’m [00:09:02.399] here to present visually what these [00:09:05.279] people are going through as realistic as [00:09:07.360] possible [00:09:09.200] >> because it’s what what’s old is new [00:09:10.800] again. And I don’t know if you know [00:09:12.000] this, but next week in the UK on I [00:09:14.480] believe it’s the 12th of June and Sky [00:09:16.800] Documentaries is showing a three-part [00:09:18.640] series on alien autopsy footage. So [00:09:21.600] again, along from from the 1995, I [00:09:24.640] believe the Ray Santelli um Sherfield [00:09:27.120] stuff. It’s Louis Thuru’s documentary [00:09:29.600] company that’s making it. So it’ll be [00:09:31.120] really well produced, but they’re going [00:09:32.959] back into that in a deep dive. I’ve got [00:09:34.640] the director for that on next week. I’ve [00:09:36.480] not watched it yet. They’ve sent me it [00:09:37.680] over. It’s a three-part series, but it’s [00:09:39.839] just interesting that that’s another [00:09:41.440] thing that was brought out as real. I [00:09:44.399] always remember seeing the VHS [00:09:45.839] videotapes when I went to like HMV and [00:09:48.080] Virgin places like that, Global Video, [00:09:50.560] and then it was, “No, this is this is [00:09:52.320] definitely fake. It’s hoax. Here’s how [00:09:54.080] it was done.” But there’s still people [00:09:56.320] now believe that was real, it was [00:09:58.480] genuine, and everything to debunk it was [00:10:00.240] a cover up still. So, it it’s always [00:10:02.480] going to happen. [00:10:04.080] >> Yeah, it is. And um I remember um the [00:10:07.680] producer of uh Alien Autopsy calling me [00:10:11.839] because he had done the segment on [00:10:14.640] Encounters. He produced a segment that I [00:10:17.040] did where I um where I essentially came [00:10:20.560] out of the closet and debunked my own [00:10:22.240] film on the the Fox show called [00:10:23.760] Encounters. And so he called me and he [00:10:26.160] told me about this footage. I hadn’t [00:10:27.440] even seen a a frame of it. And he’s [00:10:29.760] telling me about and he’s describing it [00:10:30.959] to me. And I said this this I’m being [00:10:33.200] honest. This is what I said. I said, “It [00:10:34.320] sounds like [ __ ] to me, Bob.” And he [00:10:37.279] said, [00:10:37.920] >> “Yeah, it probably is, but I’m going to [00:10:39.760] make a crapload of money.” [00:10:43.279] And so, you know, he doesn’t like me [00:10:46.000] telling that story, but tough. That’s [00:10:48.640] kind of what happened. Not even kind of, [00:10:50.560] that is exactly what happened. And um [00:10:54.320] and um the irony is that Fox, you know, [00:10:58.320] showed this movie. So, we had pitched [00:11:01.040] UFO abduction [00:11:03.200] uh or excuse me, alien abduction in Salt [00:11:04.959] Lake County to Mike Darnell at he was [00:11:08.720] the head of the the um the unscripted uh [00:11:12.160] department, TV department at Fox. We had [00:11:15.200] pitched him the remake and Mike said, [00:11:19.360] “This is the type of project that people [00:11:22.240] lose their careers over.” [00:11:24.720] And then so shortly thereafter [00:11:27.440] he’s you know doing um Alien Autopsy and [00:11:30.800] no one lost their career over that. In [00:11:32.480] fact the numbers were outstanding. The [00:11:35.680] producer tried to get me to come with [00:11:37.760] him to come back to do a sequel to Alien [00:11:42.560] uh Autopsy and I can tell you it was [00:11:45.680] going to be doing recreations of Roswell [00:11:47.760] and I was really excited about that but [00:11:50.079] then that just fell apart like a lot of [00:11:52.240] things in this town. [00:11:53.600] >> I love it. Alien Autopsy 2, Return of [00:11:55.760] the Autopsy, something like that. Yeah. [00:11:58.240] Yeah. Um, and what’s it like then to [00:12:00.880] bring you back to 2026 making UFO [00:12:04.079] content in the ’90s to what it’s like [00:12:06.959] now? Have you seen a real tone shift and [00:12:09.200] sea shift and how the media, how [00:12:12.480] Hollywood is taking this in? And [00:12:14.399] obviously, we’re going to get to we’re [00:12:16.000] we’re days away from Steven Spielberg’s [00:12:17.920] Blockbuster hitting what looks like it [00:12:19.680] will be a billion dollar franchise [00:12:21.200] again. What’s it like now making this [00:12:23.839] content compared to what it was, [00:12:27.360] >> you know? Um, someone had commented on [00:12:30.160] the trailer that I had um on YouTube. [00:12:33.040] You can go to captured pictures um which [00:12:36.720] is my company and we we posted uh the [00:12:38.959] trailer there and someone commented and [00:12:40.560] said why are all these documentaries [00:12:43.440] these disclosure documentaries coming [00:12:45.040] out and movies? What’s going on here? [00:12:47.839] And I think it’s kind of a situation [00:12:50.160] where sometimes there’s this insane [00:12:52.639] synchronicity, um, where, you know, [00:12:55.200] every car gets at the intersection at [00:12:56.639] the same time. And so, um, [00:13:01.040] I will say that I’ve seen Disclosure [00:13:03.920] Day. [00:13:05.519] Um, and, um, [00:13:09.360] I’ll tell you this. So, I’m at Contact [00:13:12.000] in the Desert. [00:13:13.200] >> Is this spoilerfree? Spoilerree. Yeah. [00:13:15.200] Because people are going to panic. Yeah. [00:13:16.480] spoiler-free. There we go, folks. [00:13:18.079] >> Absolutely. Um, [00:13:20.560] can I debunk something? And when I say [00:13:24.240] debunk, I mean um I don’t [00:13:29.200] I don’t like it when there’s certain [00:13:31.519] things out there that the conspiracies, [00:13:33.600] you know, are going around there. It [00:13:35.040] doesn’t help us. And so, if there’s [00:13:37.920] something that’s real, I am always going [00:13:40.320] to be out there with it. Um and and if [00:13:43.040] there’s something that that is [00:13:45.200] falsifying or hurting people, whatever, [00:13:47.040] I think that needs to be addressed. [00:13:48.720] >> So anyway, [00:13:50.000] >> um so I am and I know there’s been a [00:13:52.560] whole bunch of conspiracies around this, [00:13:54.880] including one [00:13:56.160] >> by someone who runs a a streaming [00:13:59.680] service that focuses on the metaphysical [00:14:03.920] paranormal UFOs. I won’t say what it is, [00:14:06.480] but the guy [00:14:07.120] >> rhymes with ha [00:14:09.920] >> rhymes with ha. [00:14:12.399] >> No comment. And um and so I’m talking to [00:14:14.720] the guy who pretty much runs it and he’s [00:14:17.199] telling me he’s confiding in me that uh [00:14:20.639] that Spielberg was given a list of he [00:14:24.079] was able to to to ask 20 questions. So [00:14:27.760] we created a list of 20 questions and he [00:14:30.160] went to someone who was super super [00:14:31.760] highend embedded [00:14:33.920] uh in in the government in the program [00:14:36.800] the legacy legend whatever and [00:14:39.839] supposedly Spielberg’s questions were [00:14:41.440] really terrific and this guy would only [00:14:43.279] nod he wouldn’t say yes or no [00:14:45.920] >> and then this guy that I’m talking to [00:14:48.480] who was at contact in the desert tells [00:14:50.399] me that there were no less than two [00:14:53.600] intelligent officers on the set the [00:14:56.320] whole time that Spielberg we’re shooting [00:14:57.760] this movie. And then I’ve also heard [00:14:59.839] from other people that have talked about [00:15:01.360] how the government funds UFO movies with [00:15:05.360] a certain agenda. Well, I’ve made three [00:15:07.600] UFO movies, not including the [00:15:08.959] documentaries. And um I’ve never once [00:15:12.079] had anyone come up to me and offer me [00:15:14.160] money to finance my films. It’s very [00:15:16.480] tough to get a film financed. So if the [00:15:18.320] government would see [00:15:20.000] >> Yeah. Oh, that’s exactly what I would [00:15:21.360] say. That’s a very good point. Um, and [00:15:24.720] uh, you know, would I do that? Yeah, I [00:15:28.880] guess. Well, it depends what the budget [00:15:30.320] is, man. If it’s a Michael Bay budget, I [00:15:32.480] make things lean and mean, so doesn’t [00:15:34.000] mean anything to me. But no, I um I I [00:15:38.399] was told this and I kind of basically [00:15:40.880] let him know in a real nice way. Stephen [00:15:43.920] Spielberg is the most successful [00:15:46.079] filmmaker on the face of the earth that [00:15:48.800] probably ever will be. He’s worth [00:15:50.959] probably like three billion or [00:15:52.320] something. [00:15:53.279] >> Um, no one tells Stephen what to do. [00:15:56.079] >> And the thing where I take Umbrage, um, [00:15:59.040] even though people might be saying, “Oh, [00:16:00.320] he doesn’t know. He doesn’t know.” I [00:16:01.600] don’t know 100%. Let’s just say this is [00:16:03.279] me talking, right? [00:16:05.360] It negates the creativity of Spielberg [00:16:09.279] and David Ke, who also wrote Jurassic [00:16:12.560] Park, [00:16:13.519] >> to say that the government came in and [00:16:15.440] told them what to write and what to do. [00:16:18.320] >> Yeah. Yeah, no one tells Stephen what to [00:16:20.320] write, what to do. He’s got a very [00:16:22.160] fertile imagination. Um, and so, uh, [00:16:26.480] that did not happen. He doesn’t have [00:16:28.079] anyone on set who’s who’s, uh, advising [00:16:30.560] him. I saw the movie. I can tell you by [00:16:32.800] seeing the movie, from seeing the film [00:16:34.079] that that it was that what this film [00:16:35.519] does, and this is with spoil, not a [00:16:37.120] spoiler, is it updates everyone who [00:16:41.040] isn’t embedded in the UFO community [00:16:43.839] following the story, and it does it in a [00:16:45.600] really fun way. I mean, yeah, [00:16:47.440] >> it’s a kick-ass fun ride. Um, there’s a [00:16:50.399] train scene that’s unhinged that I will [00:16:52.399] say is just worth it. Emily Blunt, [00:16:54.880] phenomenal. [00:16:56.240] >> Um, in my documentary and there was a [00:16:58.560] little bit of flack during the um when [00:17:00.800] the trailer was released of Disclosure [00:17:03.279] Day because Emily Blunt is making this [00:17:05.839] going [00:17:07.360] this clicking sound, which by the way, [00:17:09.439] she actually does herself. She didn’t [00:17:11.520] want AI doing it and they talked to her [00:17:13.120] about it. She’s like, “No, no, I want to [00:17:14.240] do it myself.” That sound is the same [00:17:17.439] sound that an experiencer mentioned in [00:17:20.240] my documentary and that uh scene we shot [00:17:23.120] like four years ago or something. So [00:17:25.039] this is legit. So there are some really [00:17:26.799] great Easter eggs that are in that. Um [00:17:29.840] as far as seeing, you know, footage [00:17:31.200] that’s actual UFO footage. [00:17:33.280] >> Um if someone got in a time machine and [00:17:36.880] they went back to 1947 before the [00:17:39.280] anamorphic lens that Spielberg uses with [00:17:41.840] lens flares [00:17:42.880] >> Yeah. filmed uh Roswell, then you would [00:17:45.600] you would have it. But it is a fun ride. [00:17:49.360] Um it is Yeah, I I I’m I’m sure I’m [00:17:53.280] going to see it again. [00:17:54.880] >> Yeah, the conspiracy theories are going [00:17:56.640] to run wild as soon as it comes out. And [00:17:58.559] I think you’re going to have all kind of [00:17:59.760] chats online of Spielberg definitely [00:18:02.400] knew this or he’s put this in there to [00:18:04.240] show us and it’s I I get to see it. I’ve [00:18:06.880] said to folks, Dean, I’m going to see it [00:18:08.320] on Monday in London at the media [00:18:10.240] premiere. So, the cast premiere is in [00:18:12.080] London as we record this. Right now, [00:18:13.760] they’re in London watching it. Um, [00:18:15.919] Spielberg and Emily Blunt and all that. [00:18:17.919] It was in Paris in the last couple of [00:18:19.360] days. So, I get to see it on Monday, so [00:18:21.280] I’m getting to see it early. Um, and [00:18:22.799] I’ll have my review out of it on Tuesday [00:18:24.640] and stuff. But, I think think people [00:18:26.640] will go wild. And for me, what this will [00:18:29.360] do in terms of any genuine progress for [00:18:32.480] disclosure is like I think you’ve said [00:18:34.799] there, bring the general public up to [00:18:37.360] date with the UFO topic, that hasn’t [00:18:40.080] read the books, that’s only watched [00:18:42.000] 60-cond clips online, which isn’t [00:18:44.320] listening to the podcast, which isn’t [00:18:46.000] checking out documentaries. And maybe it [00:18:48.640] gets people to go, [00:18:49.919] >> hm, [00:18:50.880] >> even if it’s 5% of the people, the [00:18:52.960] millions that will go and see this that [00:18:54.880] start to go, actually, I’m I’m gonna go [00:18:56.640] check out some documentaries on this. [00:18:58.240] This is either something that used to [00:19:00.000] interest me and I fell away from it, or [00:19:01.679] they’re maybe much younger and never [00:19:03.600] quite ventured into the topic yet, or [00:19:05.440] perhaps they’re older and this is the [00:19:06.880] first time that it’s really catching [00:19:08.000] their imagination. Um because like you [00:19:10.400] say, you’ve got the the part in the [00:19:12.320] documentary where you’ve got it’s like [00:19:13.760] the I believe it’s drawn with the four [00:19:16.320] grays round and they they click to each [00:19:18.799] other. Um you’ve got the the gentleman [00:19:21.440] in Brazil who is currently going viral [00:19:24.640] with his UFO sighting and he talks about [00:19:27.360] hearing entities as if they’re being [00:19:30.320] choked or gasping and clicking and he [00:19:32.559] does that sort of impression. Bear in [00:19:34.559] mind, the guy’s just gained 1.5 million [00:19:36.799] followers on his Instagram in the last [00:19:38.720] couple of days for releasing this. So [00:19:40.640] maybe there’s an element of marketing [00:19:42.000] alongside it. But again, all of this [00:19:44.400] comes at the same time. Really [00:19:45.840] interesting stuff. But less about [00:19:47.039] Spielberg, more about your documentary [00:19:48.720] today is about your disclosure day. Um [00:19:51.280] Dean, as a as a segue nicely into it, [00:19:54.720] when you’re you’re making a documentary [00:19:56.320] then about experiencers, I mentioned I [00:19:58.880] think I’ve got to say for me, but I [00:20:00.640] think for other folks too, it can be [00:20:02.080] very divisive. I’ve had some not I don’t [00:20:05.039] argue with folks online but a lot of [00:20:06.640] folks have got very heated when I can [00:20:08.960] say you know there’s some testimony I I [00:20:11.679] truly believe there’s other testimony I [00:20:14.240] find fascinating and some experience or [00:20:16.400] testimony I can’t help but put down to [00:20:18.720] potential mental health issues [00:20:20.960] fabrication outright lies um but it’s [00:20:24.480] such a difficult niche to dive into. How [00:20:27.280] did you find that as you as you dig [00:20:29.440] through people’s stories? Because not [00:20:31.039] only do you cover, you know, Betty and [00:20:32.799] Barney Hill, one of the most famous [00:20:34.320] abduction stories. You cover Travis [00:20:36.559] Walton, Terry Love Lace, but you also [00:20:38.880] cover lesser known with two twin sisters [00:20:41.840] who aren’t famous. They aren’t [00:20:43.280] celebrities. They are just normal [00:20:45.280] everyday folks who had a rather [00:20:47.360] incredible experience. How did you find [00:20:49.360] diving into all of those different [00:20:51.200] experiences and what may or may not be [00:20:53.600] true? [00:20:54.960] Well, first of all, I want to say that [00:20:56.960] um [00:20:58.720] um that [00:21:01.440] the last thing I want to uh ever do is [00:21:03.840] like for me I’ I’ve said this before um [00:21:07.520] I’m not an easy date with the truth. I [00:21:10.559] worked for like 15 years on crime shows [00:21:13.039] and so I’ve I’ve sat across from [00:21:16.480] criminals and and some witnesses. Some [00:21:19.120] were dodgy and you get a pretty good BS [00:21:22.320] meter. If I’m gonna show something, if [00:21:24.960] I’m going to present something uh to an [00:21:27.520] audience, [00:21:29.120] they’ll they should know that I went on [00:21:31.600] a few dates with this truth before I [00:21:33.840] gave it up. I didn’t just, you know, [00:21:36.960] because I don’t want to be left there [00:21:38.799] having to backpedal. There’s nothing [00:21:40.720] worse than that. And I’ve seen it happen [00:21:42.240] to my colleagues. So, I won’t do that. [00:21:43.840] And so, [00:21:44.640] >> if I’m a little bit um uh uh skeptical, [00:21:47.679] it’s just because I haven’t bored out [00:21:49.840] the truth. I haven’t done proper [00:21:52.159] homework on it yet and so once I do that [00:21:54.799] then if I present something then it’s on [00:21:57.120] me and the experiencers [00:22:00.559] is uh it is something that is so [00:22:05.039] fascinating like right now I’m kind of [00:22:07.200] moving away from the nuts and bolts of [00:22:09.679] this um and I’m moving into the people [00:22:13.520] who ultimately want to to know who these [00:22:17.679] pilots are of these crafts you know all [00:22:20.000] the hearings, we’re talking about the [00:22:21.440] elephant’s tail, right? But we’re not [00:22:23.440] talking about the elephant in the room, [00:22:25.039] abductions. And so when it comes to is [00:22:27.360] is this going on or not, I’m not going [00:22:29.679] to spend eight years of my time, believe [00:22:32.799] me, um working on something unless I [00:22:36.080] think that there’s something credible, [00:22:38.720] highly credible here, and that these [00:22:41.039] guys um have uh a a hook on something [00:22:45.440] that has been happening for decades, [00:22:47.840] maybe longer, and present new [00:22:49.840] information. And so with regards to the [00:22:51.600] twins are actually sisters born about a [00:22:53.840] year apart um one of them um is in Los [00:22:58.960] Angeles was in Los Angeles a musician uh [00:23:02.320] she was like she’s like 26 27 and then [00:23:05.440] her sister older she’s a business person [00:23:07.840] in Chicago a business exec so they’re [00:23:10.559] from two different worlds which was [00:23:11.840] great and so um my co-producer Craig [00:23:15.760] Jackson said um hey because he’s also a [00:23:18.240] music producer he says [00:23:20.240] I’ve got this musician that I’m working [00:23:22.559] with and she told me, she asked me, she [00:23:24.880] says, “What are you working on?” And I [00:23:25.919] told her and she says, “Oh, that’s [00:23:27.840] interesting because my sister and I had [00:23:30.000] weird dreams. We shared exactly the same [00:23:32.159] dreams.” And so Craig called me about [00:23:34.240] it. And he go I go, “What do you mean [00:23:35.520] they shared the same dreams?” They had [00:23:37.919] identical dreams within like a few weeks [00:23:40.960] um of one another. Um, and I called [00:23:44.880] Ivonne Smith, who’s a certified [00:23:46.880] hypnotherapist, [00:23:48.400] and um, and her background is that she [00:23:50.240] worked with people who have addiction [00:23:51.840] problems and cancer to help them um, [00:23:54.640] mitigate the um, the pain and everything [00:23:57.520] and and overcoming what they’re doing. [00:23:59.600] And then she found herself working in [00:24:01.039] this space. I called her and I said, [00:24:02.400] “Hey, is this normal for sisters kind of [00:24:04.960] close in age to have the same dreams?” [00:24:07.919] And she goes, “Yeah, that’s a flag. [00:24:10.720] That’s not normal at all.” And I go, [00:24:13.600] “Okay, what is your schedule like?” And [00:24:16.080] so we went back and and we asked the [00:24:18.640] sisters and and the goal was I said, [00:24:20.480] “I’m only going to do this. I’m only [00:24:22.640] going to put you on camera.” Because I’d [00:24:24.159] never gone under hypnosis before. If you [00:24:26.640] guys agree that you will not share, like [00:24:30.559] when the first person goes, they don’t [00:24:32.400] share what what happened with the other [00:24:33.919] person. Otherwise, I’m trashing this and [00:24:35.600] deleting it off my files. [00:24:37.679] >> And they agreed to that. And uh so what [00:24:40.480] you see is what happened 100%. And so [00:24:45.520] looking at the cases again, if you look [00:24:47.840] at the movie phenomenon or excuse me, um [00:24:50.320] yeah, the the phenomenon, you go from [00:24:52.400] the classic cases, you talk about Lonnie [00:24:54.799] Zamora and you know, Sakaro, New Mexico, [00:24:57.840] you get everyone up to date. I needed to [00:24:59.679] go back to Barney and Betty Hill and I [00:25:01.919] wanted to go back in a way that hadn’t, [00:25:04.080] you know, been done before, which was [00:25:06.400] animation and also working off of the [00:25:08.480] actual audio tapes of their regressions. [00:25:12.240] And then we get into, you know, like you [00:25:14.159] said, Travis Walton, Terry Loveace, and [00:25:15.919] also Deb Jordan Cobble, who Bud Hopkins [00:25:18.559] wrote about in Intruders, and um and she [00:25:21.679] talks about um yeah, what she went [00:25:24.159] through. So, I hope that answered the [00:25:26.400] question. basically. [00:25:28.000] >> Yeah, it does. [00:25:29.520] >> And to make it to so folks know, I did [00:25:31.919] watch the documentary. I I wrote down [00:25:33.760] twins, Kaye and Skyler. I think I wrote [00:25:36.320] that down when one of them actually says [00:25:37.919] in the documentary, “People think we are [00:25:39.760] twins, but I was born one year and nine [00:25:41.919] days later, I think she says.” [00:25:43.840] >> So, yeah, just just so you know as well, [00:25:45.760] Dean, I’ve definitely watched it. Um, [00:25:47.760] but I must have been writing that at the [00:25:49.039] same time. But they do look like [00:25:50.240] strikingly similar as well when you see [00:25:52.080] them kind of side by side. [00:25:54.080] Yeah. Yeah, they could absolutely be [00:25:56.159] twins. Um, so yeah, the they’ve got a [00:25:59.039] really interesting story and you [00:26:00.559] mentioned you’ve taken it back then to [00:26:02.000] to Betty and Barney Hill. And what I’m [00:26:04.400] going to do, folks, just before myself [00:26:06.320] and Dean talk about it, is I’m going to [00:26:08.960] play um a minute or so of the actual [00:26:11.600] tapes, the regression tapes that were [00:26:14.240] from Betty and Barney Hill. [00:26:17.279] They’re harrowing. They’re really, [00:26:18.960] really striking. And uh well, let me [00:26:22.320] play them and let me you can make up [00:26:23.679] your own mind, folks. Okay, I’ll come [00:26:25.200] back to you in a second. [00:26:32.240] >> We’re driving along. I don’t know where [00:26:34.720] we are. [00:26:37.279] I just pursuing a feeling that [00:26:38.720] something’s going to happen. [00:26:42.559] >> God, I was scared. [00:26:45.440] They won’t talk to me. Who won’t talk to [00:26:48.480] you? the men. They are standing in the [00:26:51.760] road. [00:26:53.120] >> He says, “You don’t have any reason to [00:26:55.120] be afraid. We’re not going to harm you. [00:26:58.559] And they’re taking me up to the object [00:27:01.440] now. I don’t want to go on it.” And the [00:27:04.799] examiner [00:27:06.320] has a long needle in his hand. It’s [00:27:10.080] bigger than any needle I’ve ever seen. [00:27:12.640] And I’m crying and I tell him, “It’s [00:27:14.720] hurting. It’s hurting and hurting out.” [00:27:19.600] and and and then the leader, he goes [00:27:22.080] over and he puts his hand, runs his hand [00:27:25.919] in front of my eyes and he says, “I’ll [00:27:28.320] be all right. I won’t feel it.” [00:27:31.600] >> So Dean, with with those um with those [00:27:33.919] audio clips, I think it really gets [00:27:35.520] across and you there’s a lot more of it [00:27:37.200] in the documentary. Of course, you play [00:27:39.039] a substantial amount. They’re clearly [00:27:41.679] going through something. And something [00:27:43.679] that always strikes me with the Betty [00:27:45.120] and Barney Hill case is this is a black [00:27:48.400] male, a white female at a time when in [00:27:52.400] the United States particularly, you did [00:27:54.640] not want to draw attention to yourself [00:27:56.559] as an interracial couple. And that [00:27:58.559] always strikes me as if you were going [00:28:00.000] to make this up, the last couple that [00:28:02.640] should be doing it as a black and a [00:28:04.240] white couple because that just draws all [00:28:06.559] kind of unwarranted attention. Is that [00:28:08.320] fair? [00:28:09.120] >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. 1961. Hell yeah. [00:28:12.640] Yeah. Um, and again, what I think the [00:28:14.960] documentary does really well, um, is for [00:28:17.919] for people like me and the young folk, [00:28:20.480] Dean, um, I’m 40, so I can’t claim to be [00:28:22.480] young anymore, but you’re covering some [00:28:24.880] really famous stories that people have [00:28:26.480] gone into in great great detail, and [00:28:28.399] you’re giving people the snapshot of the [00:28:30.080] story. Here’s Betty and Barney Hill. If [00:28:32.080] you know it, I’m not going to smash you [00:28:33.679] over the head with that again. If you [00:28:34.960] don’t know it, here’s the quick version [00:28:36.880] of this happened. This happened, this [00:28:38.559] happened. And you do the same with [00:28:39.600] Travis Walton, Terry Love Lace, and [00:28:41.840] Debbie as well. Um, so I appreciated [00:28:44.480] that because it brings you right up to [00:28:45.760] speed. It’s a fastmoving documentary. [00:28:47.919] Again, it keeps your attention, which I [00:28:49.520] enjoy. Um, but you play those tapes and [00:28:52.159] you hear what they went through. [00:28:54.799] What’s your take before you you dug into [00:28:57.120] it in the documentary of the Betty and [00:28:58.799] Barney Hill story and and and now? All [00:29:02.159] of my interest stemmed from being [00:29:03.760] invited by Ivonne Smith to go to a Suros [00:29:07.360] meeting which is the close encounters uh [00:29:10.640] research organization. And so it’s [00:29:14.159] basically a an experiencer support group [00:29:16.960] and there are um dozens um uh maybe it’s [00:29:21.039] into the hundreds um all around the [00:29:24.080] world um who have organizations like [00:29:26.960] this that that get together. And so I [00:29:29.279] went to my first meeting and there was [00:29:31.679] about maybe 12 of them. And so before I [00:29:35.440] went, um my girlfriend Ally said um [00:29:40.480] she was kind of um a little bit uh uh [00:29:43.919] nervous um about that because she had [00:29:46.640] heard um you know someone had mentioned [00:29:50.480] like the hitchhiker effect [00:29:52.960] >> that if you’re around you know these [00:29:55.039] people um that some weird stuff happens [00:29:59.039] um but at the same time she’s kind of [00:30:00.559] like you know um She she’s agnostic [00:30:04.799] about all of this. So, she’s a good [00:30:06.000] barometer. So, whenever I have something [00:30:07.279] a little too fantastical, I’ll go to her [00:30:08.880] and say, you know, uh what do you think? [00:30:11.200] And then I’ll show her some stuff. And [00:30:12.640] and that’s the lipmus test. So, anyway, [00:30:14.640] I went and I thought at at worst case [00:30:18.640] scenario, it’ll be amusing, you know, [00:30:20.640] seeing these people that believe that [00:30:21.919] they’ve been taken by, you know, beings [00:30:24.320] from these crafts. Um and and you know, [00:30:29.120] at the best it it might validate it. [00:30:30.960] Well, I get there and I ask, you know, [00:30:32.880] everyone, “So, so what do you guys do [00:30:34.159] for a living?” And they start telling me [00:30:36.559] what they do. Um, one of them is a [00:30:38.960] doctor, a lawyer, chiropractor, [00:30:41.760] architect. [00:30:43.360] One of them uh has given a TED talk, not [00:30:46.320] about this subject, but about business [00:30:48.720] related stuff. And another one is a [00:30:50.640] homeland security supervisor. And [00:30:52.159] lastly, there’s a guy who’s a major in [00:30:54.080] the army. [00:30:55.760] And I’m looking at these guys and [00:30:56.880] they’re talking and I’m astonished at [00:30:59.840] how [00:31:01.520] normal they are. I mean, it could have [00:31:03.840] been a HOV HOA meeting, you know, of of [00:31:09.200] like you have a condominium and you got [00:31:10.720] all the people own them getting [00:31:12.240] together. It was this this just a [00:31:15.360] completely almost um prosaic meeting and [00:31:20.320] then we start talking about their [00:31:22.000] experiences. And I’m listening to all of [00:31:24.559] this and I’m listening to the homeland [00:31:26.080] security supervisor saying how what [00:31:27.679] really annoys him is that whenever they [00:31:30.159] come, he always has a sense that they’re [00:31:32.000] coming and he’ll like be in his house [00:31:34.640] and he’s got these decks that open to a [00:31:36.240] backyard like his French doors and um [00:31:39.679] and he’ll stand there and he’ll say, [00:31:41.840] “Okay, I’m I’m ready. Let’s do this on [00:31:44.799] his own terms. Here I am. Come and get [00:31:46.720] me.” and they always make him walk back [00:31:49.279] down and lie down prone on the couch and [00:31:51.440] then he’s elevated, taken out sometimes, [00:31:53.200] like it’s almost like taken by his feet. [00:31:56.159] So, um, I’m listening to all of this and [00:31:59.039] I say, “Okay, hold on. I I have to kind [00:32:01.039] of stop you guys right here and ask you [00:32:04.240] because this sounds pretty terrifying. I [00:32:06.159] know that that it is a spiritual [00:32:09.440] communion with an intelligence beyond, [00:32:12.399] you know, belief, but again, this is [00:32:15.519] against your will. [00:32:17.600] Would you, if you could, go back in time [00:32:21.120] and stop this or make a deal not to have [00:32:23.919] this happen? Would you do that? Raise [00:32:27.519] your hands. [00:32:29.360] So, five, 10 seconds of dead air. No one [00:32:33.519] raises their hand. [00:32:35.600] And then this guy who’s in the military, [00:32:38.799] this is his first thing. He’s 35 years [00:32:40.240] old. He’s big guy, like 6’3. [00:32:42.880] He pipes in and he says, “No disrespect [00:32:46.960] intended.” And I’m again, I’m I’m in awe [00:32:49.600] that they said that, that it was that [00:32:51.200] important to them because they feel like [00:32:52.480] they’re being of service, that there’s [00:32:53.760] some bigger thing going on between us [00:32:57.039] and these NHIs that’s helping maybe not [00:33:00.320] just them, but also us. And so this guy [00:33:03.760] pipes in and he says, “No disrespect [00:33:05.679] intended. I think you guys are all [00:33:07.519] effing [00:33:09.120] insane [00:33:11.200] and everyone turns and looks at him and [00:33:13.760] he says, “Let me tell you why I’m here. [00:33:16.399] Four months ago, [00:33:18.720] um, I had a situation that happened. My [00:33:22.480] wife and I, my wife is the only person [00:33:24.880] I’ve ever shared this with,” he says, [00:33:26.960] um, that I had these experiences. We [00:33:29.200] don’t tell anyone else. We don’t tell [00:33:30.640] friends. um we certainly wouldn’t tell [00:33:32.799] our kids and they’ve got like, you know, [00:33:34.480] a five and a seven-year-old. And he [00:33:36.640] said, “Four months ago, my kids jumped [00:33:39.200] on my bed in the morning and presented [00:33:42.559] me with a drawing. [00:33:45.200] And in the drawing, it was these two [00:33:50.399] little creatures, [00:33:52.240] stick figures, but had big heads, big [00:33:54.320] eyes.” And he said, “What is this?” And [00:33:58.159] one of his daughters said, “Oh, these [00:34:00.960] are the little skeleton people that come [00:34:03.360] and visit us sometimes at night.” [00:34:07.039] I just get I get chills right now um [00:34:09.760] talking about it again. And so he says, [00:34:12.480] “They can take me. I have no choice in [00:34:14.720] the matter, but they will not touch my [00:34:17.520] kids.” And so he was there to get [00:34:20.159] answers to prevent this from from [00:34:21.919] happening. and he actually asked me to [00:34:23.440] sneak in to his home and set up cameras [00:34:26.800] because he’d had all these different [00:34:28.960] types of electrical issues whenever he’s [00:34:31.440] tried to do it. [00:34:32.879] >> Um, [00:34:34.399] >> so no, I didn’t because I I felt like um [00:34:40.000] it it it felt like that that wasn’t [00:34:44.320] it it felt like I didn’t want to engage [00:34:47.520] and what he was doing. And mostly when I [00:34:49.839] talked to Ivonne about this because I [00:34:51.440] was considering doing it, uh, she’s [00:34:53.599] like, “It’s not going to work, Dean. [00:34:56.079] It’s not going to work to bring cameras [00:34:57.440] in and do that because you think that [00:34:59.680] these these beings don’t know that.” So [00:35:01.760] if there’s electrical issues, which she [00:35:03.760] said, “We hear all the time.” She goes, [00:35:05.520] “These aren’t these aren’t um uh um [00:35:09.680] subservient people that are being [00:35:11.359] abducted. They’re not just people who [00:35:12.880] who go with the program. they’ve tried [00:35:15.200] to do that and there’ve always always [00:35:17.200] been issues. [00:35:18.560] >> So, um I was going to meet with him and [00:35:22.079] and talk again about maybe doing some [00:35:23.920] another version of this. Uh [00:35:25.760] unfortunately, he um got leukemia [00:35:28.880] >> and uh passed away like a year or two [00:35:30.880] later and um uh very sad. But, um [00:35:35.359] anyway, uh I’ve remained friends with [00:35:38.400] some of the people in the groups. I’ve [00:35:39.760] since gone to three um more group [00:35:42.720] meetings and I was allowed to videotape [00:35:44.880] and so you’ll actually see footage um in [00:35:47.760] the movie of uh what one of those [00:35:49.920] meetings looked like. [00:35:52.160] >> Yeah. And even not to go into too much [00:35:54.640] spoiler territory because I know folks [00:35:56.240] are going to know the other stories, but [00:35:58.320] Kaye and Skyler’s situation uh and what [00:36:02.160] they talk about um is pretty creepy. um [00:36:05.680] including one element of it I will [00:36:08.000] mention is in what looks like an [00:36:10.480] abduction she wakes up in a room where [00:36:12.800] her bed is with her and that that closet [00:36:16.400] door thing the young child in me and [00:36:19.040] here here’s a fact folks I’m still [00:36:20.960] actually scared of the dark as an adult [00:36:22.800] okay I am not a big fan of sleeping in [00:36:25.359] the dark the whole light’s usually on um [00:36:28.240] when I lived on my own before I met my [00:36:30.160] wife always slept with um light on if I [00:36:33.359] go away and stay in a hell. I will sleep [00:36:35.280] with the light on. It’s just a thing, [00:36:36.800] right? At 40 years old. [00:36:38.960] >> Wow. [00:36:39.359] >> But as a kid, um it used to look like my [00:36:42.720] wallpaper was 3D and it was Thomas the [00:36:45.200] Tank Engine. Um and apparently that used [00:36:47.920] to scare me with the shadows going by [00:36:49.599] and stuff. I’ve always been I’ve always [00:36:51.760] had recurring nightmares and this is [00:36:53.680] something that um Kaylee and Skyler talk [00:36:55.599] about. recurring dreams of being in my [00:36:58.720] bedroom looking at the door and the door [00:37:01.200] just slowly opens but no one’s there and [00:37:04.800] that’s like the worst thing that there’s [00:37:06.800] nothing there. Um, and when they talk [00:37:08.880] about the closet and just having a [00:37:11.280] feeling of something being at the [00:37:13.040] closet, um, I’ve got a friend right now, [00:37:15.200] Dean, who um, is not a guy who’s into [00:37:18.560] UFOs, ghosts, all that kind of stuff. [00:37:21.520] But just the other week was telling me [00:37:23.760] and it it’s been happening for a while [00:37:25.760] actually. He was like, “I’ve been having [00:37:27.520] an issue with like kind of a something [00:37:30.400] in my house.” And I was like, “What? [00:37:32.320] What do you mean something in your [00:37:33.440] house?” And he was like, “I’m I’m seeing [00:37:36.079] stuff.” And he was like I was he said he [00:37:38.560] was in bed and he felt like something [00:37:40.240] kind of hit him in the chest but like [00:37:42.560] really powerfully. Um it really startled [00:37:45.839] him. He went I was wide awake. I wasn’t [00:37:47.440] falling asleep. I wasn’t drifting off. [00:37:49.520] Um and he said he’s got like a an attic [00:37:52.560] and he said he was in his bed and he was [00:37:55.839] he was turned around facing one way [00:37:57.920] where the attic would have been out in [00:37:59.680] like the landing and up. So you’d have [00:38:01.760] seen it from your bed where you were [00:38:03.119] lying. and he said he just knew not to [00:38:06.240] turn around and look because something [00:38:07.920] was going to be there. So, he just kept [00:38:11.119] his eyes closed. And for me, that’s like [00:38:13.040] sell the house and move out territory. [00:38:14.880] Um, but he he’s he knows that his home [00:38:17.599] there was a a mining disaster very much [00:38:20.720] in his back garden in the early 1900s. [00:38:23.920] Nearly 200 people um died as part of it. [00:38:27.440] Um he had his sis he saw he saw [00:38:30.560] basically he kept seeing things out the [00:38:32.720] corner of his eye. he would see um legs [00:38:36.000] running up the stairs and he always saw [00:38:38.480] on those the top couple of stairs in his [00:38:40.400] home, not the full set, they would just [00:38:42.320] sort of disappear almost like shadows, [00:38:44.079] but they were there. Um he said the the [00:38:47.200] photographs he’s got of his family at [00:38:48.640] the top of his stairs keep turning and [00:38:51.280] being moved. The rest of the photographs [00:38:52.960] on the stairs, nothing gets touched, [00:38:54.400] just here. Um, and he also says really [00:38:56.800] strangely at all times of the day, he [00:38:59.520] sees like the air in his house as if you [00:39:01.760] had rippled a glass of water. He sees [00:39:04.160] parts of the air just move and ripple. [00:39:06.640] And he says it doesn’t happen when he’s [00:39:08.240] out, when he’s anywhere else. It’s not [00:39:10.000] an eye issue. And um, [00:39:13.440] eventually he’s done some things where [00:39:14.560] he’s been putting sage and things around [00:39:16.000] his house on some recommendations and he [00:39:18.400] says the sage has popped a few times. [00:39:20.320] It’s actually exploded. Um, and he’s [00:39:22.880] he’s said to whatever it is, you know, I [00:39:24.400] don’t want you here. Go away. And [00:39:25.839] nothing’s happened now for six or seven [00:39:27.839] weeks or so. [00:39:29.119] >> But yeah, all that kind of stuff, that [00:39:30.800] that feeling, that knowing something’s [00:39:32.720] there, the the closets, it’s all really [00:39:35.680] creepy stuff. And what gets me is like [00:39:39.119] you say, these people you’ve spoken to [00:39:40.880] feel that they’re they’re helping. It’s [00:39:43.359] a cause. It’s not scary for them. But [00:39:46.160] some abductions seem seem the opposite [00:39:48.640] where it is genuinely frightening, [00:39:50.240] genuinely scary. People are being taken [00:39:52.640] against our will. H how have you come to [00:39:55.839] to view that pattern within the [00:39:58.240] phenomenon of abductions and how some [00:40:00.880] are good? Can I say some are bad and [00:40:04.000] some are in the middle somewhere? Well, [00:40:06.560] without getting into um and we can into [00:40:09.599] the four main types of uh of uh [00:40:12.720] entities, non-human intelligence, um [00:40:16.800] it runs the gamut of that. I mean, it [00:40:18.960] also gets into, you know, Whitley likes [00:40:22.079] to talk about his relationship that he [00:40:23.920] has going on with one of these beings. [00:40:26.560] Um that has been definitely reported. [00:40:28.880] The thing that that is is intriguing and [00:40:31.520] cannot be discounted, needs to be [00:40:33.119] factored in, and it’s an uncomfortable [00:40:35.359] area to talk about, but we’re going to [00:40:37.040] talk about that is the high strangeness. [00:40:40.640] Um, that’s stuff like you’re describing, [00:40:44.960] weirdness where, you know, either it’s a [00:40:47.200] screen memory or reality seems to change [00:40:50.400] or, you know, maybe there’s some weird [00:40:53.920] childhood song that comes back. um you [00:40:57.760] know these things that that that sound [00:40:59.359] like it’s more of a of a ghost encounter [00:41:03.839] um than uh an abduction. And what’s [00:41:07.839] interesting is I’ve been leaning into [00:41:09.839] more and more that these beings are [00:41:13.440] traveling in the astral plane. [00:41:16.400] >> And evidence to support that is people [00:41:18.800] are often they’ll describe seeing loved [00:41:21.760] ones, deceased loved ones there. And so [00:41:25.440] what do they how do they describe these [00:41:27.359] apparitions? Shimmering, [00:41:30.079] transparent, zip in. They’re here, then [00:41:32.560] they’re over here, then they’re over [00:41:33.680] here. Well, if you can crack that and [00:41:35.599] figure out how to travel in that plane, [00:41:38.079] then you’re able to, you know, time and [00:41:40.240] space doesn’t matter. You can manipulate [00:41:42.079] that. Um, so I I find that there is a [00:41:45.839] close relationship between the two of [00:41:47.520] them. Um, reality, you know, we’re only [00:41:50.880] seeing a fraction really of reality. Um [00:41:54.480] I I I believe that and the stuff that we [00:41:56.480] don’t see I think is is maybe um by [00:41:59.920] design for us but if you talk to any [00:42:02.240] experiencer and you say hey what is what [00:42:04.880] are the after effects after you’ve been [00:42:06.880] taken and like Deb talks about she says [00:42:10.240] there’s a telepathy an extra sense of [00:42:13.119] intuition where you know you can walk by [00:42:15.839] someone and you know what they’re [00:42:16.880] thinking you just get this energy and to [00:42:20.319] me that’s you know again reconnecting [00:42:23.280] with not just the physical body but your [00:42:25.280] higher self. And so there’s just little [00:42:29.119] ear marks that are here. And again, I’ve [00:42:31.040] been in this rabbit hole hard for like 8 [00:42:32.880] to 10 years. You know, I was just [00:42:34.800] someone who would read books [00:42:35.760] occasionally, John Max’s wonderful book [00:42:37.280] or, you know, Bud Hopkins, etc. But in [00:42:40.319] it, you start to remove all the things [00:42:42.560] that you don’t know and you’re looking [00:42:45.119] at what you’re left with, you know, and [00:42:47.760] the best that you’re going to get is [00:42:49.200] you’re going to get corners of the [00:42:50.560] puzzle. But like Travis Walton says, you [00:42:54.640] know, he’s constantly confronted by [00:42:56.000] people that have all the answers. Oh, [00:42:57.359] it’s the government. And they talk with [00:42:58.880] such certainty and he says they don’t [00:43:02.000] know. And I think that’s by design. I [00:43:04.160] think that them, whoever them is, that [00:43:07.520] they’re the ones that are controlling [00:43:08.800] this. And so, um, how do I reconcile, [00:43:12.079] getting back to your main question, how [00:43:13.760] do I reconcile the fact that some of [00:43:16.160] these, uh, experiences are [00:43:19.760] seem to be a mutual agreement thing and [00:43:22.880] then others you’re being taken. Um the [00:43:26.560] first thing that comes to my mind is is [00:43:28.079] John Mack who talked about um might be [00:43:30.400] paraphrasing but it’s the dual alien [00:43:32.560] identity which is the belief that these [00:43:34.560] people have been reincarnated from maybe [00:43:36.960] their planet, their plane, their [00:43:38.560] existence, their time and they’re here [00:43:40.640] to help and they’ve agreed because what [00:43:42.240] do the beings say to them? When they say [00:43:44.560] you have no right to do this they say [00:43:47.119] yes we do. [00:43:48.560] >> So how do you have that right? And and [00:43:51.839] so, you know, I I I [00:43:55.280] used to when I read Communion and I was [00:43:57.359] young, I’m like, damn, I want to see a [00:43:59.359] UFO. I want to see an alien really bad. [00:44:02.000] And then I thought about that and the [00:44:03.520] older I get, the more I’m like, yeah, I [00:44:05.520] don’t know that I need to. [00:44:09.040] >> He attacks my my mind um like that. And [00:44:13.440] then I came up with the analogy. I was [00:44:15.680] one day I was on my deck and I was [00:44:17.200] reading it was in the middle of the the [00:44:19.040] day and I was reading something about [00:44:20.240] aerial school, right? [00:44:21.920] >> And uh that phenomenon that happened in [00:44:24.240] broad daylight and I started to imagine [00:44:26.079] if I look down my deck if a chimpanzee [00:44:30.240] popped its head out and looked at me and [00:44:32.880] then ducked back and I got up and I [00:44:35.200] walked over and it wasn’t there. How [00:44:37.920] jacked up I would be from that? I mean, [00:44:41.599] at some point, I’m gonna I’m gonna [00:44:45.200] rework it in my brain that I imagine [00:44:47.440] that because it’s just too much, the [00:44:49.599] onlogical shock. Now, imagine you look [00:44:52.400] over and maybe it’s at night and you see [00:44:55.839] this being gray being poke its head out [00:44:58.000] and go back. I mean, 10 times more [00:45:02.560] intense. So, as much as people the [00:45:05.680] criticism is that, oh, they want to see [00:45:07.599] these things, they’re fabricating this [00:45:09.680] blah blah blah. Well, that was put to [00:45:12.240] the test with John Mack when he did [00:45:13.520] brain scans and discovered that these [00:45:15.760] people are literally suffering from PTSD [00:45:18.319] that you cannot fake. [00:45:20.000] >> And he’s combed through their past to [00:45:21.440] see this happened from some abuse, [00:45:23.200] childhood abuse [00:45:24.960] >> and and in most of these cases, zero [00:45:27.520] abuse. This was it. I mean, we all have [00:45:30.079] situations that happen in in um in [00:45:33.040] childhood, but not to this effect. And [00:45:36.160] so, the fact that the PTSD is real um is [00:45:40.160] um for me, that’s that’s pretty strong [00:45:42.960] evidence, you know, and and these people [00:45:45.760] are passing lie detector tests. You [00:45:47.599] know, Travis Walton passed five. As much [00:45:50.000] as people like to say, “Oh, he was made [00:45:52.640] to be a fraud, this and that.” Well, [00:45:54.000] look at that case. That’s BS. That’s not [00:45:56.480] true. Philip Glass was supposed to pay [00:45:58.800] him or a UFO researcher $10, 000 t o p ro v e [00 : 46 : 03.280] t ha t hi ss t ory w a s u h f a l se an d h e [00 : 46 : 06.960] co u l d n^{'} t d o i t . A n d P hi l i pCl a ss, t h e [00 : 46 : 08.640] t h e f am o u s u m s k e pt i c, d i e d o w in g him [00 : 46 : 12.400] t ha t$ 10,000. So, [00:46:15.040] >> and and we’ll get to the the evidence [00:46:17.440] section which kind of rounds off the [00:46:19.119] documentary as well because I think [00:46:20.319] that’s really important. And is it [00:46:22.960] yourself that’s behind the camera that [00:46:24.560] asks the folks on camera about evidence [00:46:27.920] and how there is a real lack? And it’s [00:46:30.560] such a good question and it’s such a [00:46:32.160] fair question to ask because I’m sure [00:46:34.960] much like yourself asking it like I [00:46:36.640] would. It’s not from an accusatory [00:46:38.960] place. It’s from the place of your [00:46:41.359] average member of the public when you [00:46:43.119] present a story like Terry Love Lace. [00:46:45.760] And Terry Love Lace is not in the best [00:46:47.359] of health these days. I I know um [00:46:49.520] recently. So, um, thoughts with Terry [00:46:52.319] and and everything and hope he’s doing [00:46:53.520] as well as he can be. Um, but I spoke to [00:46:55.760] Terry on a couple of occasions and he [00:46:58.240] comes across as such an incredibly [00:47:00.960] genuine guy. His story, um, he was so [00:47:05.920] amazed after he was on with me, he got [00:47:08.560] in touch to see a few weeks later, he [00:47:10.240] had had this huge spike in people buying [00:47:12.240] his book, but it wasn’t that, oh, I’m [00:47:14.000] making more money off it. he’ll be [00:47:15.440] making a few cents a book or whatever, [00:47:17.200] but he was like the amount of people [00:47:18.720] getting in touch with me again to talk [00:47:20.880] about their experiences or how my [00:47:23.040] experience touched them really really [00:47:24.560] got to him and he loved that. So, but as [00:47:27.520] a guy like Terry, you’ve got this this [00:47:29.359] implant story. Other folks mention [00:47:31.760] implants will be physical signs. It’s a [00:47:34.160] real difficulty for real any abductee to [00:47:38.000] have their story disproven, but it’s so [00:47:40.560] difficult to actually prove it too, [00:47:42.960] isn’t it? [00:47:45.040] Yeah, that was a a moment where here’s [00:47:48.079] the thing. I I want to help these [00:47:50.800] experiencers [00:47:52.319] with their cases. And what I mean by [00:47:54.720] that is I want them to be able to um [00:47:59.359] convince us, present to us the truth [00:48:03.040] that they experienced. And so a way to [00:48:06.720] do that is not to, you know, [00:48:08.960] editorialize and curate out all the [00:48:11.760] things that you as an audience would [00:48:13.359] ask. I mean, if I’m here’s when I make [00:48:15.440] these documentaries, I go, “All right, [00:48:17.440] I’m the viewer.” And it’s an interactive [00:48:19.440] documentary because I’m making this [00:48:20.960] thing. So, what do I want? And I want [00:48:23.680] evidence. [00:48:25.200] >> You can tell me this and that and and [00:48:27.920] that evidence, verbal evidence [00:48:31.599] will hold up in court. And people have [00:48:33.359] been put in the electric chair with less [00:48:34.960] evidence. Doesn’t matter. I want the [00:48:37.599] hardcore evidence. Just like at the [00:48:39.839] hearings, we want to see the tailpipe of [00:48:41.599] the UFO, etc. [00:48:43.119] >> And so that was a moment where I just [00:48:44.880] said, “Hey, give me give me some [00:48:47.680] evidence. Help me help you.” And that’s [00:48:51.200] where they provided um some samples of [00:48:53.760] of what they had, photographic evidence, [00:48:56.640] x-ray evidence, and it was like, “All [00:48:58.559] right, now I’ve got something that I can [00:49:01.040] point to and say, “All right, that goes [00:49:02.559] up on the detective board where I’ve got [00:49:04.319] my yarn going from here to here.” [00:49:06.400] >> And so, um, they were very candid about [00:49:08.240] it and they understood me asking that of [00:49:11.839] them and they were willing to provide [00:49:14.079] that because they know that the burden [00:49:15.440] of proof is on them. [00:49:17.760] >> Yeah. And that it was very well done. It [00:49:19.520] was very fair. Um, we hear from Michael [00:49:22.480] Masters, Dr. Michael Masters throughout. [00:49:24.400] I’ve spoken to Michael on multiple [00:49:25.680] occasions. Really great guy. He uh most [00:49:28.880] famous for his future humans hypothesis [00:49:31.440] on this topic. He’s been on Joe Rogan [00:49:33.359] talking about it. The idea he would say [00:49:35.760] is the most likely scenario for this [00:49:37.520] phenomenon or some of it at least as [00:49:39.839] these creatures or objects are us in the [00:49:43.119] future coming back for whatever reason [00:49:45.839] it may be. And to talk on one of the [00:49:49.200] real big things in this documentary then [00:49:50.880] the alien hybridization [00:49:53.040] program or aspect of this. This is where [00:49:55.280] things do get strange even for folks [00:49:57.680] embedded in the UFO topic. This is a [00:50:00.160] difficult one for the public I think to [00:50:01.920] get their head around because it really [00:50:03.680] does go into elements of pure sci-fi for [00:50:07.440] many for many people. Um I had Kevin [00:50:10.480] Kith on a physicist just last week on [00:50:13.040] the podcast. He’s great. [00:50:14.559] >> Yeah. And he was we were talking about [00:50:16.559] the hybridization stuff and he said to [00:50:19.359] him if there was a program like that [00:50:22.079] going on, it would make sense that any [00:50:24.720] entities we were encountering that were [00:50:26.880] trying to to breed with us as a species [00:50:29.839] would have to be related to us. They [00:50:32.240] couldn’t be alien because aliens would [00:50:34.880] not work. And this this caused all kind [00:50:36.640] of controversy in the comment sections [00:50:38.240] and people emailing me. But Kevin was [00:50:40.960] like, “Look, this is speculation, but [00:50:42.559] for him and for the way DNA works, you [00:50:45.359] couldn’t have an alien breed with a [00:50:46.720] human and create a baby. It just [00:50:48.559] wouldn’t work.” So, it makes sense to [00:50:50.559] him that there was from the past, a very [00:50:53.440] advanced civilization from the past [00:50:54.960] coming forward or something from the [00:50:57.280] future coming back or something that was [00:50:59.440] here that left and came. Um, what what’s [00:51:02.480] your take on that level of work? Because [00:51:04.160] there you’ve got some very different [00:51:05.440] people suggesting a few different [00:51:07.119] things. How do you approach alien [00:51:10.160] hybridization as a topic? Because it [00:51:12.240] really does start to become classic woo. [00:51:15.839] >> You know, that’s private and I don’t [00:51:17.680] appreciate you asking me um about this. [00:51:19.920] This is very personal. Um it is it is [00:51:24.079] the chewy n you know nougat um [00:51:27.280] >> inside the candy bar that that is the [00:51:30.400] UFO phenomenon. Um really um first of [00:51:34.160] all Spielberg subscribes to this. He [00:51:37.200] said out of all the you know dimensional [00:51:39.040] for for the longest time I was part with [00:51:41.280] Jacqu Valet’s book dimensions and it and [00:51:43.920] it and it absolutely could be and it [00:51:45.599] could be all of the above but masters [00:51:48.480] again he didn’t create this this notion [00:51:50.720] this theory that he calls the [00:51:52.079] extraterrestrial theory [00:51:53.760] >> um it been around but he’s really [00:51:56.000] consolidated it and from a you know [00:51:58.400] being an anthropological biologist um [00:52:01.359] you know um background that that he can [00:52:03.920] articulate it better than anyone has. [00:52:06.640] So, uh it’s true we cannot [00:52:10.960] um we can’t breed with a a primate and [00:52:14.640] we share like 99 something% of the same [00:52:18.480] DNA genetic makeup. And um there was a [00:52:22.800] comment that Michael made when I was [00:52:25.440] interviewing him where he said you can [00:52:30.800] uh let’s just say hook up with a sheep [00:52:33.680] all day long. You’re not going to get a [00:52:35.119] sheep man. [00:52:36.319] >> Genetics just don’t work that way. Yeah. [00:52:38.240] >> So, the idea that another species comes [00:52:41.119] here, first of all, the idea that they [00:52:42.400] that another species would be [00:52:44.960] >> um bipeedal and would be a homoid [00:52:47.599] basically is uh just doesn’t make sense. [00:52:50.640] When I interviewed Dr. Mitch Kaku, he [00:52:53.359] was like, if a life comes from another [00:52:54.960] planet, it’s mostly going to be like a [00:52:56.240] lobster because most life comes from the [00:52:58.559] water. And uh so anyway, it just [00:53:02.800] evidence-widewise, [00:53:04.880] evidentially wise, it it would be much [00:53:09.280] easier for us to procreate with [00:53:11.599] something that that had our same DNA. [00:53:13.760] Does that mean another planet that [00:53:16.000] ultimately a species is going to, you [00:53:17.920] know, evolve like us? Um I don’t I don’t [00:53:21.040] know. I think the idea that they’re [00:53:22.640] coming from the future because the way [00:53:23.760] that that Michael Masters tracks it out [00:53:26.079] that we’re going to evolve into looking [00:53:28.160] like these guys and there’s the tall and [00:53:30.319] the short ones. It’s there’s there’s [00:53:33.680] definitely a way that that can be [00:53:35.040] tracked. However, I brought up with [00:53:38.160] Michael, I said, you know, no one I’ve [00:53:41.280] never heard anyone talk about a mantis [00:53:43.040] hybrid [00:53:44.319] >> or a reptilian hybrid, [00:53:46.400] >> right? So it seems like this is the only [00:53:49.920] one that is mentioned in this uh [00:53:53.680] scenario. Um so again that’s telling and [00:53:57.839] sometimes a phenomenon it’s like what [00:53:59.680] what you’re not getting that in itself [00:54:02.079] is you know is an answer like negative [00:54:04.800] energy you know black energy um whatever [00:54:07.839] you want to call it that makes it most [00:54:09.520] of the universe that that is more [00:54:12.880] reality than than the other. [00:54:15.760] >> Yeah. And again, dark matter, all that [00:54:17.920] kind of stuff. Kevin Kuth went into [00:54:19.680] great detail in a way that was [00:54:21.440] understandable even for idiots like me [00:54:23.119] to understand when I spoke to him. So [00:54:24.640] that was good. [00:54:25.839] >> Yeah, it’s always handy, isn’t it? Um, [00:54:28.319] >> yeah. [00:54:28.960] >> And and and to start wrapping up because [00:54:30.640] I want people we we’ve been talking the [00:54:32.319] documentary goes for like an hour, hour [00:54:34.000] and 24, hour 26, I think, run time. [00:54:37.040] >> Just under 90 minutes. [00:54:38.640] >> Yeah. And I do recommend folks go and [00:54:40.480] check it out. There’s a lot of content [00:54:42.079] to consume in this topic, but it is [00:54:44.079] something I think experiencers has [00:54:46.079] perhaps gone by the wayside now for some [00:54:48.000] time with people focusing more on the [00:54:51.440] here and now, the videos like you say. [00:54:53.760] Um, for you though and investigating [00:54:56.960] this, I’m going to ask you first, what [00:54:59.520] do you think? If someone said to you, [00:55:01.119] Dean, give us the most legitimate [00:55:04.400] experience or story, if you could only [00:55:06.319] pick one, what would it have been? [00:55:11.200] That’s tough because I have a top five. [00:55:14.160] >> Um, [00:55:14.640] >> you want to give me the top five? [00:55:16.319] >> Yeah. Yeah. In no particular order [00:55:17.839] because it does change sometimes on the [00:55:19.599] >> Oh, that’s even that’s even more of a [00:55:20.880] cop out, but Okay. [00:55:22.000] >> Oh, it is. It is. All right. Um, I would [00:55:25.599] say uh the Berkshire case. I’m going to [00:55:29.920] put that as number one. We have multiple [00:55:32.000] people over the course of one night [00:55:33.520] being taken. Uh different types of [00:55:36.400] people being taken and seeing each other [00:55:38.319] on the craft. That boy, that’s pretty [00:55:41.119] much the the dream case scenario when [00:55:43.200] you want corroborating evidence. And [00:55:45.680] yeah, that’s pretty epic. Um I’m going [00:55:48.160] to put in there Barney and Betty Hill. [00:55:50.880] >> Um I’m going to put in there uh Travis [00:55:54.720] Walton. Um, and I, this sounds like a [00:55:57.920] copout, but I put in Deb Cobble, even [00:56:00.240] though these people are in in the [00:56:01.359] documentary because Deb’s story talks [00:56:03.760] about, you know, the hybrid uh program. [00:56:06.720] And the fact is there’s this weird [00:56:08.559] phenomenon where people sometimes get [00:56:10.480] pregnant and then all of a sudden the [00:56:12.160] baby goes away. And this doesn’t make [00:56:14.799] sense to me and to my buddy who’s a a [00:56:17.119] doctor. It never made sense to him as [00:56:18.720] well. The excuse they give is they say, [00:56:20.640] “Oh, the body absorbed [00:56:23.280] the fetus. [00:56:25.599] You can’t really see it, but the body [00:56:26.960] must have absorbed it. It’s just the [00:56:28.799] catch all um explanation for that. So, [00:56:32.960] um so the the the mysterious pregnancies [00:56:36.400] I always find that’s physical evidence. [00:56:39.680] uh you know uh to me [00:56:41.920] >> um outside of of the documentary and Bur [00:56:46.480] Berkshire [00:56:48.640] >> uh [00:56:51.200] >> I mean the sister’s [00:56:53.839] case was because I saw it firsthand, [00:56:56.000] man. I kept looking over at the other [00:56:57.760] cameraman and I’m going, “Are you [00:56:59.040] getting this? Make sure that you’re [00:57:00.880] getting audio and you’re recording [00:57:02.160] this.” Because we didn’t expect we [00:57:04.640] expected nothing. We expected nothing. [00:57:06.880] We set up three cameras and um yeah and [00:57:11.200] and so what we captured was um it was [00:57:15.200] beyond you know it was deserving of of [00:57:17.200] being part of a whole separate you know [00:57:19.920] documentary. So sorry if that sounds if [00:57:22.880] I’m not giving you the specific top five [00:57:26.000] but yeah Betty Hill it’s a great case. [00:57:29.200] >> Yeah you’re definitely not you’ve [00:57:30.480] totally avoided that Dean. Um, so like a [00:57:34.559] like a true politician that we spoke [00:57:36.160] about before we hit record. Um, what [00:57:38.960] about any cases that you maybe wanted to [00:57:41.760] include but just felt you couldn’t? Was [00:57:43.839] there anything like that where you were [00:57:45.200] like for whatever reason it may have [00:57:47.119] been? [00:57:49.599] uh not another case but I had a section [00:57:54.960] um I had a okay so a consulting editor [00:57:58.799] because I edit my own films but I’m [00:58:01.599] smart enough to know that um that I’m [00:58:03.680] going to miss stuff or I’m not going to [00:58:05.280] fully be able to uh um uh convey what [00:58:10.160] I’m trying to say on my own. So you [00:58:12.000] always need other people to come in and [00:58:13.359] take a look at at what you’re you know [00:58:14.799] putting together for these [00:58:15.920] documentaries. I Brian Davis Kum. Davis [00:58:19.599] um won a an Emmy for co-writing and [00:58:22.720] editing um The Social Dilemma for [00:58:24.559] Netflix. He’s got a a new documentary [00:58:26.400] that he was editor of. Your listeners [00:58:28.880] should absolutely watch this. It’s the [00:58:31.040] most important documentary um in the [00:58:33.680] last 10 years. It’s called The AI Doc. [00:58:36.400] It’s got a longer title, but the main [00:58:37.839] title is The AI Doc. And um it’s by the [00:58:41.839] guy who did Nelania um Oscar winner, [00:58:44.400] etc. And um and it uh it it focuses on, [00:58:50.799] you know, for me what what I was trying [00:58:54.000] to do and and what he gave me. Like I [00:58:56.640] had it, okay, I had a clip where Travis [00:58:58.960] Walton is playing the guitar. [00:59:01.599] It was a a nice personal moment playing [00:59:03.839] the guitar and in what we were trying to [00:59:06.720] do which is to get people [00:59:09.280] um who haven’t you know again by UFO [00:59:12.240] curious to come and take a look at this. [00:59:14.400] We didn’t want to to do anything that [00:59:17.760] that wasn’t that wouldn’t be in a [00:59:19.839] science documentary. I doubt you would [00:59:21.440] have someone playing a a guitar. And so [00:59:24.640] it was a little thing going okay fine [00:59:26.319] I’ll edit that out. It was only, you [00:59:28.000] know, 10 15 seconds and I’ll put in a [00:59:29.920] bonus material thing, you know, at a [00:59:31.760] later time. The thing that I had to edit [00:59:34.079] out, which which Davis was like, it’s [00:59:36.079] too much. And I agreed was talking about [00:59:39.920] the four different types of beings [00:59:42.640] and getting into that. Again, it’s super [00:59:46.640] super important that we’re reaching um [00:59:51.040] people that are like, and I’ve just [00:59:52.799] started to do that. That’s a whole [00:59:54.000] another story. But just start to connect [00:59:55.680] with people that gave testimonies at the [00:59:57.119] hearings, ex-military guys who uh have [00:59:59.920] seen the dock who were like, “Oh my god, [01:00:02.000] this is, you know, we’ll stand behind [01:00:03.599] this because it’s not it doesn’t get too [01:00:05.920] much in it.” [01:00:07.280] >> And I had this whole section edited and [01:00:09.599] animated. It was really fun. It was two [01:00:12.319] two detectives, cops looking into a [01:00:16.160] through a two-way mirror. And they’ve [01:00:18.000] got the holster with the guns. They’ve [01:00:19.280] got a cigarette. It was film noir, like [01:00:21.040] drawn film noir with a little smoke [01:00:22.640] going up. And we go through the the [01:00:24.880] two-way mirror and we see a police [01:00:27.040] lineup and it’s dark and there’s these [01:00:28.880] spotlights. And we see [01:00:31.760] on one side uh of of the lineup, we’ve [01:00:34.960] got the gray aliens. [01:00:37.119] Then we’ve got the mantis, then we’ve [01:00:39.440] got the reptilians, and then we’ve got [01:00:41.040] the Nordics. And I break all that down, [01:00:44.160] and I brought in uh uh Craig um oh, I [01:00:47.680] don’t want to mispronounce his last [01:00:48.640] name. wrote the book the [01:00:49.920] extraterrestrial I believe the [01:00:51.200] extraterrestrial encyclopedia about all [01:00:53.119] these creatures. So I had a section of [01:00:54.799] that and and I thought okay well I agree [01:00:57.760] with Davis it might be a little bit too [01:00:59.040] much and so uh then Hal put off on diary [01:01:04.480] of a CEO with Dan Farah he talks about [01:01:08.559] there being four main uh non-human [01:01:11.839] intelligences and I’m like okay so now [01:01:14.799] they’re talking about it so maybe I [01:01:16.960] could have put that in there but there’s [01:01:18.799] so much stuff as you’ve seen in the dock [01:01:20.480] that’s already you know juicy and [01:01:22.240] scentilating [01:01:23.359] scintillating that this will be a bonus [01:01:26.079] thing that I’ll that I will release and [01:01:27.839] it was just a you know a threeminut [01:01:29.359] segment but yeah [01:01:31.680] >> that’s fair the the AI doc one is the AI [01:01:34.079] doc or how I how I became an apocalyp [01:01:37.440] apocaloptimist that’ll be the one that’s [01:01:39.680] the full [01:01:40.960] >> it’s all about basically it’s all about [01:01:42.480] the AI technology that’s coming which is [01:01:44.480] a whole other conversation because [01:01:46.559] >> uh and I just gave a panel um with um [01:01:49.280] Paul Heinik and Deep Prasad with Thomas [01:01:52.160] Jane where we talked about [01:01:54.240] >> Yeah. We talked about how um uh [01:01:56.880] technology is is changing and it’s [01:01:58.799] almost going to put us at the same [01:02:00.319] playing field potentially as a [01:02:02.880] technology that’s been demonstrated by [01:02:04.319] the NHIS. And so what does that mean for [01:02:06.559] mankind? [01:02:08.480] >> Well, I’m going to give you the final [01:02:09.760] minute here, Dean, to promote the [01:02:11.599] documentary. Why should people watch it? [01:02:13.839] How can people watch it? and anything [01:02:15.680] you want to do to kind of get them on [01:02:17.520] board [01:02:19.359] >> because I will be holding um people [01:02:21.599] hostage if they do not watch it and uh [01:02:24.480] you’ll need to send me a receipt so I [01:02:26.160] know that you have watched it um um why [01:02:29.440] they should see this if you are at all [01:02:31.520] interested at all interested in the [01:02:34.799] experiencers and again that term’s been [01:02:36.880] used a lot I was talking to Karen Austin [01:02:39.280] about it recently that it’s it’s used in [01:02:42.559] like you know I saw something or you [01:02:45.440] know a light in the sky that those [01:02:47.280] people there’s you know it’s I guess [01:02:49.280] it’s a spectrum like close encounters of [01:02:51.359] the fifth kind or fourth kind sixth [01:02:53.680] seventh eighth um I’m talking about [01:02:56.319] people who have been abducted and who [01:02:58.720] who prefer to be called experiencers the [01:03:00.960] abductions if you’re at all interested [01:03:03.280] this is the movie that covers all of [01:03:06.000] that this is the the film that all the [01:03:09.680] things I hope that you’ve wanted to see [01:03:11.839] questions that you’ve had and the cases [01:03:13.680] and to get into it. This is this is what [01:03:16.880] you’ll see in a condensed, you know, 85 [01:03:19.119] minute, 84 minute um you know, [01:03:21.920] bite-sized chunk. Also, I just want to [01:03:24.000] say it’s super fun. Like, there’s humor, [01:03:27.280] there’s levity in it. The animation is [01:03:29.680] award-winning. Um uh and we’ve won two [01:03:32.720] awards, the film, and uh and because [01:03:35.280] right now we’re starting to pivot into [01:03:38.559] giving the experiences a seat at the [01:03:40.160] table at the hearings. It’s it’s going [01:03:41.359] to be coming. It’s right around the [01:03:42.480] corner. So, this is the first thing that [01:03:44.559] I would see if I was interested in [01:03:46.880] seeing um you know what’s coming. [01:03:49.359] >> Awesome. [01:03:49.839] >> And they can also see it at um uh [01:03:52.720] experiencersmov.com. [01:03:55.440] That’s the website that they can go to. [01:03:57.039] Experiencers.com [01:03:58.720] and that’ll have links to Amazon and [01:04:01.039] Apple. And I’m on uh Instagram under my [01:04:03.440] name, Dean Aliota. [01:04:05.359] >> Awesome. And I’ll make sure those links [01:04:07.119] are below as well in the description as [01:04:09.039] always, folks. What I’m going to ask [01:04:10.720] Dean to do is can you give me another [01:04:12.319] couple of minutes of your time and just [01:04:14.000] for the folks who pay for the podcast, a [01:04:15.839] little bit of bonus content. I just want [01:04:17.680] a couple more questions with you. Not [01:04:19.680] documentary related, but just kind of [01:04:22.079] current situation. If you’ll do that for [01:04:23.680] me. [01:04:24.480] >> Absolutely. [01:04:25.839] >> And folks, um, that’s an excellent way [01:04:27.599] to do that. You don’t ask the guest [01:04:29.119] beforehand. You do it while you’re [01:04:30.319] recording with them on the spot and they [01:04:32.480] feel more inclined to do so. Um, but [01:04:34.559] yeah, Dean will stick around with me for [01:04:36.160] another couple of minutes, but make sure [01:04:37.520] you go check out the documentary. I [01:04:39.039] watched that again today. Um, I’m very [01:04:41.119] fortunate I get to see these things in [01:04:42.720] advance. Thank you to Dean for sending [01:04:44.559] me that over. But I highly recommend it. [01:04:46.640] And remember, if I don’t recommend a [01:04:48.559] documentary, I’ll just tell you it looks [01:04:50.240] really nice is what I’ve done to other [01:04:52.319] documentaries in the past. If people go [01:04:54.160] back and listen through the the catalog, [01:04:56.240] and now Dean knows that for future. If [01:04:57.839] you ever come on and I go, it looks [01:04:59.599] really nice, you’ll go, “Ah, he thought [01:05:01.680] it was shit.” So there you go. [01:05:03.760] >> Thanks for the warning. [01:05:05.119] >> Yeah. But we’ll leave it there, folks. [01:05:06.480] And I’ll have Dean back on soon. But if [01:05:08.160] you’re on any of the paid platforms, [01:05:10.000] thank you for keeping on. Thanks for [01:05:11.599] supporting. And you’ll hear a little bit [01:05:13.680] more from Dean in the next couple of [01:05:15.039] seconds.

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