Richard Barth — “Meet the Nuclear Missile Guard Abducted by Aliens” (Jesse Michels / American Alchemy, 9 Feb 2026)
Source: Jesse Michels (American Alchemy, YouTube), long-form interview with Richard Barth. URL: https://youtu.be/Qe8br8yYEDM (2026-02-09; 1:26:18). Captured: 2026-06-28. YouTube auto-caption transcript (timestamps retained; ASR artifacts). Provenance only; analysis: barth-vandenberg-abduction-claim. What this is: Barth’s own-voice account of his alleged 1964 Vandenberg-area abduction and decades-consistent recollection — the first first-person Barth primary captured in the base, which previously relied on Robert Hastings’s writeups (hastings-barth-vandenberg-1964-account-2025-11-15) and the ufonews synthesis. Use to check his verbatim framing against the secondary restatements.
[00:00:00.400] Well, I was assigned to a minute man [00:00:02.960] missile and I was on the night shift [00:00:06.160] and my job is just basically sit there [00:00:08.559] and uh do nothing really and it was [00:00:11.759] foggy. [00:00:14.240] Next thing I know, I see this shadow in [00:00:16.240] the in the fog. I’m looking and I see [00:00:18.160] this shadow and uh I see a a man which [00:00:22.880] would appear to be a man emerge from the [00:00:25.279] fog. [00:00:28.080] But as it got closer, I realized this [00:00:30.320] was not what it was. And I could feel it [00:00:35.200] in my mind. I mean, it was like it was [00:00:37.920] it started grabbing hold of me. [00:00:43.040] For decades, there’s been a strange and [00:00:45.680] deeply unsettling pattern lurking [00:00:48.000] beneath nuclear weapons and missile [00:00:50.079] facilities worldwide. [00:00:52.559] a pattern that almost no one wanted to [00:00:54.800] talk about in an era of Cold War [00:00:56.879] secrecy. Air Force officers whispered [00:00:59.359] about it and most of the people who [00:01:01.440] lived it stayed silent until now. It’s [00:01:05.040] all coming out. [00:01:07.840] Today’s guest is Richard Bar. In 1964, [00:01:11.439] he was an Air Force security guard, an [00:01:13.520] air policeman stationed at Vandenberg [00:01:16.000] Air Force Base. Vandenberg wasn’t some [00:01:18.320] remote radar outpost or ghost station. [00:01:20.880] This was the epicenter of American [00:01:22.960] nuclear missile testing. Atlas missiles, [00:01:25.680] Thor, Minuteman, Titan. This was the [00:01:28.640] place the United States government went [00:01:30.720] to actually learn whether its nuclear [00:01:32.720] missiles worked. So naturally, something [00:01:34.960] else was watching from above. And it [00:01:37.759] happened to interact with our next [00:01:39.759] guest. A figure emerging from the mist. [00:01:43.360] A moment of absolute terror in seeing [00:01:45.840] this figure’s very foreign face. Loss of [00:01:49.280] control. and then lost time. All of a [00:01:52.880] sudden, Richard is taken. He wakes up [00:01:55.600] hovering on a flying saucer with a few [00:01:57.920] more beings overlooking the entire [00:02:00.079] Vandenberg base. Richard is given a [00:02:03.119] message, one that directly connects with [00:02:05.680] other alien encounters by nuclear base [00:02:08.160] employees. And perhaps most remarkably, [00:02:11.280] this story happens on the exact same [00:02:13.840] month of another Vandenberg UFO incident [00:02:16.959] that you may already know. You see, [00:02:19.599] Richard had his encounter in September [00:02:21.599] of 1964. [00:02:23.520] That same month, Bob Jacobs, a photo [00:02:26.319] instrumentation lead, caught video of a [00:02:29.200] UFO that seemed to encircle an Atlas [00:02:31.599] missile targeted with lasers. We’ve [00:02:34.720] spoken to Jacobs, and this is a case we [00:02:36.879] discuss all of the time on this show. We [00:02:39.280] could see clearly on film the nose cones [00:02:42.480] separate and then we saw the dummy [00:02:44.319] warhead and suddenly into that frame an [00:02:47.680] object flew in chasing the warhead and [00:02:49.680] so on at the same speed. [00:02:52.080] >> Didn’t they delete your records from the [00:02:55.040] government as well? People denied that [00:02:56.720] you worked at Vandenberg. Is that is [00:02:58.319] that right? [00:02:58.959] >> They denied there was ever a Robert [00:03:00.879] Jacobs in the Air Force. And between Bob [00:03:03.599] Jacobs and Richard Bart, it looks like [00:03:06.000] while we were testing nuclear missiles [00:03:07.920] in September of 1964 on Vandenberg Air [00:03:10.879] Force Base, something else was testing [00:03:13.680] missile [music] defense and deterrence. [00:03:15.680] This interview raises some very [00:03:17.360] uncomfortable questions about access, [00:03:19.840] surveillance, and intent [music] on our [00:03:21.840] most advanced weapons capabilities. [00:03:25.200] And it leaves us with possibilities that [00:03:27.280] are far more strange and destabilizing [00:03:30.239] than are we alone. This episode isn’t [00:03:32.720] about believing. [music] It’s about [00:03:34.400] listening carefully because whatever is [00:03:37.040] going on at our nuclear bases doesn’t [00:03:39.440] seem random and it doesn’t seem finished [00:03:42.159] with us. Between 2003 and 2005, five UAP [00:03:46.720] incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air [00:03:48.319] Force Base. [00:03:48.959] >> So, without further ado, please enjoy [00:03:51.200] this courageous testimony from this [00:03:53.440] week’s American Alchemist, Richard [00:03:56.159] Barth. [00:03:57.767] [music] [00:04:00.400] I’m here with Richard Bar and this is an [00:04:02.959] honor. I I really appreciate you driving [00:04:05.760] to LA to speak with me. Uh Robert [00:04:08.799] Hastings is one of my favorite [00:04:10.400] journalists in the UFO space. He’s [00:04:12.480] written an amazing book called UFOs and [00:04:14.400] nukes and he is the premier chronicler [00:04:17.199] of all of these amazing veterans who [00:04:20.079] were stationed at nuclear bases across [00:04:22.320] the United States often with you know [00:04:25.199] pretty high clearances experiencing tic [00:04:28.320] tacs saucers orbs UFOs all over these [00:04:31.600] bases and [00:04:34.160] sometimes nuclear missiles get shut [00:04:36.720] down. All sorts of anomalies occur on [00:04:38.880] the bases. And in a few cases like [00:04:42.160] yours, you actually experience a close [00:04:45.040] encounter of the third kind where you [00:04:46.960] see beings and you experience [00:04:49.440] communication with those beings. And so [00:04:51.759] it’s an honor to speak with you and I [00:04:53.440] really appreciate you sharing your [00:04:54.720] story. What made you decide to come out [00:04:57.360] now? [00:04:58.240] >> I was listening to Coast to Coast one [00:05:00.479] night and it happened to be Dropler [00:05:02.080] Hastings. Although at the time I didn’t [00:05:04.560] know, but something uh just compelled me [00:05:06.960] to call in. He was talking about USO’s [00:05:10.160] nukes and I had this experience that I [00:05:12.639] had pretty much kept to myself for quite [00:05:15.600] a while and it just seemed that you know [00:05:18.479] the guy seemed so credible that maybe he [00:05:20.880] might be interested in my particular [00:05:23.600] story. So I called up and I was very [00:05:26.400] fortunate. I got right on. And I [00:05:28.080] explained to the call uh person that [00:05:31.520] monitors the call and he put me right in [00:05:34.400] and we got through about half my story [00:05:37.120] and then we got cut off somehow. He last [00:05:39.919] question he asked me was I aware of any [00:05:42.160] lost time and [00:05:44.240] >> lost time? [00:05:45.360] >> Yeah. He wanted to know if I had had any [00:05:47.520] lost time during the event and I was [00:05:49.840] going to answer him and everything just [00:05:51.440] went blank. there’s no response and I [00:05:54.240] didn’t know how to get back on. So, I [00:05:56.400] kind of dropped it, but it brought it to [00:05:58.160] the forefront of uh you just a [00:06:01.759] credibility of of Bob Hansen that really [00:06:04.800] uh triggered it. [00:06:06.560] >> So, you called into Coast to Coast and [00:06:08.800] you got through a lot of your story, [00:06:10.400] then the call dropped, but that brought [00:06:12.319] that to the four and uh to to to the [00:06:15.360] mind of of Robert Hastings who wanted to [00:06:17.680] follow up on it. Uh actually before that [00:06:20.240] uh I had uh read Whitney Strieber’s book [00:06:25.199] and uh the it seemed credible to me but [00:06:28.720] it also made my experience seem more [00:06:31.680] credible to myself. [00:06:33.440] >> You got to kind of understand that when [00:06:35.600] something like this happens to you, you [00:06:37.600] question yourself, was this real or was [00:06:40.800] this something that you know I imagined [00:06:43.280] or or uh it’s is so much part of you [00:06:46.800] that you you accepted it as real, but [00:06:49.440] you still question it. [00:06:52.000] >> How did you end up at Vandenberg Air [00:06:54.000] Force Base in 1964? [00:06:56.639] >> Okay. I wasn’t doing well in college at [00:06:58.880] the time, and so I decided I was going [00:07:00.800] to join the Air Force and I went to the [00:07:02.720] recruiter and I had actually I’d been a [00:07:05.759] premed major and so I asked about going [00:07:07.919] into medical corps and he said, “Well, [00:07:10.639] you got uh two years of college.” He [00:07:12.720] said, “Would you uh [00:07:15.599] consider being a navigator?” And I said, [00:07:17.759] “I love flying, but I, you know, I need [00:07:20.639] four years of college to get [00:07:21.919] commissioned or do anything like that.” [00:07:24.160] So he had had asked me, would I be [00:07:27.360] interested that they had a navigation [00:07:29.599] course that had opened up that uh the [00:07:33.520] requirements were that you can get in [00:07:36.240] with two years of college. And I said, [00:07:39.039] “Yeah, I love flying. I’d love to fly if [00:07:41.120] I could fly.” So I said, “Why don’t you [00:07:43.520] go down take the test and see how you [00:07:45.440] do?” Well, they sent me down to LA and [00:07:48.000] and I passed that. So, I said, “Well, [00:07:50.479] you’re you’re in. All we got to do is [00:07:52.720] find you a class.” So, I waited about 3 [00:07:55.680] or 4 months for a class to open up for [00:07:58.000] me to get into. And uh I was doing quite [00:08:02.400] well until I got to celestial [00:08:04.560] navigation. [00:08:06.400] And it uh I didn’t know it at the time, [00:08:09.199] but I had like dyslexia. [00:08:12.000] And what was making things bad for me [00:08:14.639] was not on the academics, which I was [00:08:16.639] high on, but I would transpose my [00:08:19.599] numbers, especially when I got under [00:08:21.280] pressure. Then I a 123 123 would become [00:08:24.960] a 132, which is a significant navigation [00:08:28.720] error. Well, you do three practice [00:08:31.199] missions and a test mission. And I [00:08:33.279] failed the first test mission. And then [00:08:35.680] they will send you again and I’d allow [00:08:38.719] you to do another test mission. and I [00:08:41.599] failed that one and so I was basically [00:08:45.120] washed out of the class. When I had [00:08:48.000] joined uh one of the conditions of [00:08:50.560] joining was that you can went in under [00:08:54.880] selective service requirement which was [00:08:57.360] basically two years with some reserve [00:08:59.440] time to follow. And if you didn’t pass a [00:09:03.279] class, you would go on that reserve [00:09:04.880] status or uh uh and just finish out your [00:09:09.040] two years and and go on reserve status. [00:09:11.279] Otherwise, if you passed, you would be [00:09:13.680] commissioned. You would sign up for an [00:09:16.080] additional four years and you would [00:09:17.760] actively [00:09:19.440] uh be in the Air Force as a navigator. [00:09:22.720] Well, I just opted I was going to get [00:09:24.959] out. So that left while I’ve got 13 [00:09:27.440] months left of my selective service [00:09:29.839] requirement [00:09:31.519] and uh so they didn’t want to put me in [00:09:35.120] a position that required a lot of [00:09:36.720] training and so guards don’t require a [00:09:38.720] lot of training and it uh I can pick [00:09:42.080] something that was relatively close to [00:09:43.920] home. I lived in Los Angeles. Vandenberg [00:09:46.800] Air Force Base was up the coast above [00:09:48.720] Santa Barbara about a four hour drive [00:09:51.440] and that seemed well on my off time I go [00:09:53.839] home and and uh be with my friends and [00:09:56.320] family. So that seemed okay with me. I [00:09:58.480] thought I can I can deal with it. [00:10:00.640] >> So you were a missile security guard or [00:10:03.200] what what’s the exact title? [00:10:04.720] >> Any I’m listed as the air policeman but [00:10:06.880] I was assigned to the 4392 combat [00:10:10.399] defense squadron and we were essentially [00:10:13.760] guards. We didn’t wear the blue [00:10:15.760] uniforms. We wore fatigues with the and [00:10:18.720] we carried a 38 pistol and uh we just [00:10:22.800] basically stood on post all day and that [00:10:25.519] was there wasn’t much training involved [00:10:27.920] other than weapons training. [00:10:29.519] >> What are the types of things that you [00:10:31.279] guarded on the base? [00:10:32.480] >> They had the missile maintenance where [00:10:34.240] they assembled the missiles themselves. [00:10:36.320] Uh uh that was a large hanger. The [00:10:39.680] missiles would be on their sides. They [00:10:41.440] would be the stages would be mated with [00:10:44.320] each other. They would uh electronics [00:10:46.720] guidance would be in and then they would [00:10:48.880] take them out to the actual silo or [00:10:50.959] launch sites uh where they you know [00:10:54.320] fueled them and and uh fired them. Uh [00:10:58.079] there were uh you would guard like a [00:11:01.279] crypto room where crypto cryptographic [00:11:03.920] information was came in particularly at [00:11:07.120] night when nobody was there. their [00:11:08.720] locked rooms uh and but they wanted to [00:11:11.680] guard on there and frankly we guarded [00:11:13.760] things that didn’t need guarding. Uh a [00:11:16.640] lot of these missiles at Vandenberg a [00:11:19.200] lot of these missiles were were uh set [00:11:22.079] up by the by the manufacturer like [00:11:24.480] Boeing would do the Minute Man, Douglas [00:11:27.600] would do the THOR and uh Lockage would [00:11:30.959] do the Aena stage. Convair would do the [00:11:33.519] Atlas missiles and those were the the [00:11:36.320] four missiles we had. Uh [00:11:40.320] most of the three missiles that the the [00:11:43.200] uh minute that the Atlas and the uh were [00:11:47.120] obsolete basically, but they were great [00:11:49.120] for uh launching satellites and you can [00:11:53.120] get the Thor was a lightweight missile, [00:11:56.800] intermediate range actually, not ICBM. [00:11:59.920] And it was uh good for sending spy [00:12:02.959] satellites because they can get them [00:12:04.560] into the low altitude that they wanted. [00:12:06.959] and uh 100 150 miles. That’s where you [00:12:10.800] took your pictures from. Uh if you had [00:12:13.360] something heavier, you’d put it on an [00:12:15.440] Atlas. Uh the Thor was very similar to [00:12:19.519] the Redstone that they launched out of [00:12:21.600] Shepard on. It was, you know, just for [00:12:24.399] to loop them up into space and come [00:12:26.079] down. But then they moved for the for [00:12:28.800] the remainder of the uh flights they [00:12:31.440] moved to the Atlas missile which was uh [00:12:34.399] a two-stage missile which was much more [00:12:36.399] powerful and can get the orbits much [00:12:38.160] higher than that. And then later uh they [00:12:42.480] did the Titan missile which was an ICBM [00:12:45.760] liquid fueled. And uh that the good [00:12:50.639] thing about the Titan is the Atlas [00:12:52.639] missile required pumping in oxygen and [00:12:57.120] uh hydrogen just prior to launch which [00:13:00.320] took time. So that you had to do an [00:13:02.000] immediate launch. You could you’d have [00:13:04.560] to 15 20 minutes just fueling the [00:13:07.200] missile before you launched it. The [00:13:09.440] Titan fuels didn’t were not refrigerated [00:13:12.959] fuels and they that missile could sit in [00:13:15.440] the silo fueled and ready to go and [00:13:18.079] could be launched immediately. So the [00:13:19.839] Titan was an advanced over the Atlas. [00:13:22.880] Plus it was much more powerful missile [00:13:24.800] and could carry much larger warheads. We [00:13:28.639] call them re-entry vehicles, but they [00:13:31.200] were basically warheads of the atomic [00:13:33.120] warhead. Uh, one thing about Vandenberg [00:13:36.399] Airfar Base is that it was not a primary [00:13:39.760] uh, nuclear base and the reason was it [00:13:42.720] was too easy to take out. It was right [00:13:44.480] on the ocean. Uh, you can drop a bomb, [00:13:47.760] atomic bomb right in the ocean right [00:13:49.519] next to it. You just add up a tidal wave [00:13:51.200] or tsunami, wipe out the base and and [00:13:54.240] the base becomes useless. So, it was too [00:13:56.800] easy a target for for nuclear. But we [00:14:00.399] were right on the ocean and we had the [00:14:02.240] Pacific test range and it was a great [00:14:04.880] place to fire missiles down over the [00:14:07.519] ocean down range. Uh cuz they were see [00:14:10.720] like the Minutemen. The Minutemen were [00:14:13.279] all stationed inland far inland in [00:14:15.839] Montana [00:14:17.440] uh Mafet or Air Force Base or or Malm [00:14:20.560] Air Force Based uh and spread out quite [00:14:23.760] apart because they were difficult [00:14:25.199] targets that way. They were spread out [00:14:26.880] and they were well inland. [00:14:29.360] Uh trouble is you couldn’t launch a [00:14:31.040] missile from there because there’s [00:14:32.560] always the possibility that missile [00:14:34.240] would land on [00:14:37.360] you land on at somebody’s cow or even a [00:14:39.519] city even worse. But so we could but we [00:14:43.760] could launch over from Vandenberg Air [00:14:46.240] Force Base and then we could bring the [00:14:47.839] crew out for the launch and they can [00:14:50.000] actually launch a missile. But there’s [00:14:52.079] other things that could be tested like [00:14:54.880] the amount of uh you know those these [00:14:57.120] were solid fuel. Minute man was solid [00:14:58.959] fuel and that fuel would sit there for a [00:15:02.240] couple years. Well, what was the [00:15:03.920] integrity of the fuel after a couple of [00:15:05.760] years? You could test that because they [00:15:08.320] all all missiles launch on on [00:15:11.279] are launched on inertial guidance. In [00:15:13.360] other words, once you send them off, [00:15:15.680] they’re on their own. The the the course [00:15:18.399] is set. And the main reason for that is [00:15:21.199] like you can send a missile to the moon [00:15:23.040] and you can make uh midcourse changes [00:15:26.639] but you don’t want to do that because [00:15:28.240] the enemy can make midcourse changes and [00:15:30.160] get your missile off target. So once you [00:15:32.880] the missile was programmed to fall to a [00:15:34.959] certain trajectory and once it was uh [00:15:38.240] fired it was on its own. So if the fuel [00:15:41.600] was not in the integrity of the fuel was [00:15:44.959] degraded, it might not get to the target [00:15:47.920] or or as close to the target as you [00:15:49.920] wanted to. So that was uh one of the [00:15:52.720] things we wanted to test and also give [00:15:55.040] the crew a chance to fire the missile. [00:15:57.680] Do you I mean clearly you are right now [00:16:00.639] displaying extensive knowledge of all of [00:16:03.120] these missile systems in a way that to [00:16:05.120] me unless you you know went back and [00:16:07.199] read a bunch of textbooks before this [00:16:09.040] interview I think it shows that you were [00:16:11.040] at Vandenberg Air Force Base. But for [00:16:13.199] the hardcore skeptics in the audience uh [00:16:16.079] you can provide your DD2 your DD2414 [00:16:19.279] service records. [00:16:21.360] You can give them to me if if possible. [00:16:22.959] You have photos of them and stuff. gave [00:16:24.399] it to to Robert Hastings [00:16:26.160] >> by Robert Hastings and uh that was one [00:16:28.639] of the things you know he’s very very [00:16:30.079] thorough [00:16:31.279] >> uh when you read his book [00:16:33.519] >> he each case is well documented is [00:16:35.920] thorough when he vets he vets each [00:16:39.040] person that he interviews [00:16:40.320] >> he’s extremely thorough [00:16:41.279] >> and extremely and so he’s extremely [00:16:43.279] >> and he called three separate friends of [00:16:45.839] yours right to corroborate that you told [00:16:48.160] them the same details that you told him [00:16:51.199] >> his interest was that this is not [00:16:53.120] something I had beat up recently when, [00:16:55.600] you know, with the new all this stuff [00:16:57.519] coming out and just wanted to get on the [00:16:59.360] bandwagon. [00:17:00.160] >> And you’ve made no money off of this [00:17:01.839] story. [00:17:02.480] >> No, I had no intention. In fact, when I [00:17:04.480] wrote uh originally when I did an email [00:17:07.280] to u to Robert uh Solace, which was the [00:17:11.120] first one I tried to contact, the reason [00:17:13.760] being is that my experience was two [00:17:16.079] years prior to Robert Solless is when I [00:17:18.640] heard him interviewed, I thought he [00:17:20.240] might be interested. Well, the really [00:17:23.039] interesting thing, so Robert saw us. [00:17:24.880] That that’s interesting. Did he get back [00:17:26.240] to you or [00:17:27.280] >> uh not right away he did and then he [00:17:29.360] didn’t follow up, but when I wrote him, [00:17:31.520] I I I said said, “I’m not interested in [00:17:34.880] money. I’m not interested in writing a [00:17:36.720] book, but I think there’s a relationship [00:17:38.880] between my experience and your [00:17:41.520] experience.” In other words, [00:17:42.720] >> well, I want to get into that [00:17:43.760] relationship after we get into the core [00:17:46.000] details of your experience. But I think [00:17:47.760] even more relevant than Bob Salace who [00:17:50.480] had an extremely interesting experience [00:17:53.120] with 10 missiles shutting down at [00:17:55.919] Malmstrin Air Force Base. He’s at Oscar [00:17:58.160] Flight Launch uh uh uh center underneath [00:18:01.840] underground and this red glowing object [00:18:04.799] is hovering above ground and seems to [00:18:06.880] that seems to correlate with these 10 [00:18:08.480] missiles going offline. Strategic Air [00:18:11.120] Command wrote up a whole write up saying [00:18:13.280] we’re you know baffled and confused as [00:18:15.200] to this uh happening around I think the [00:18:17.760] Echolight incident which was 8 days [00:18:19.600] before and then a targeting officer Bob [00:18:22.240] Jameson who is a colleague of Salace’s [00:18:24.880] went in to check as to you know why why [00:18:26.880] did these 10 uh missiles go down [00:18:29.360] >> is it possible they just malfunctioned [00:18:31.679] >> that doesn’t happen very rarely does a [00:18:34.080] missile malfunction and I don’t think [00:18:35.840] any much more rare would [music] be two [00:18:39.600] at at the same time, but ne never 10. [00:18:42.160] >> And so you had all this in interesting [00:18:44.160] kind of activity going on at Malmstro [00:18:46.000] Air Force Base, but that was 1967. [00:18:48.000] >> Yeah. [00:18:48.320] >> What I find interesting about your [00:18:49.840] experience is that was what was it? [00:18:52.080] September [00:18:52.799] >> September 64. [00:18:54.000] >> 1964 at Vandenberg Air Force Base. Did [00:18:56.960] you know that Bob Jacobs uh who was a [00:19:00.160] photo instrumentation specialist also [00:19:02.400] stationed there at the same time as you [00:19:05.039] has an [00:19:05.520] >> I know. But I did not then. [00:19:07.039] >> Yeah, you didn’t. So that’s amazing [00:19:09.280] because this guy was uh basically they [00:19:12.799] were testing an Atlas missile with a [00:19:14.559] dummy warhead and he was uh uh uh [00:19:18.480] basically stationed at Big Su and he was [00:19:21.360] supposed to kind of you know telescope [00:19:23.120] the object and and and and photograph it [00:19:25.679] video. [00:19:25.919] >> They wanted to they wanted him to miss [00:19:28.000] uh film the missile from the side rather [00:19:30.480] than straight on. Uh because you go to [00:19:33.280] Vanderm you’re just watching it go [00:19:35.360] straight on. he can watch you projectile [00:19:38.160] from the side. [00:19:39.200] >> Major Mansman called and he said, [00:19:40.640] “Tomorrow morning at 0600, [00:19:43.360] get ready because we’re launching a an [00:19:45.280] Atlas missile and we want you to [00:19:47.280] photograph that with the big BEu [00:19:49.200] telescope.” I went, “Okay.” So at 0600, [00:19:52.559] we were up and ready to go. And an Atlas [00:19:54.400] missile popped up through the ground fog [00:19:56.000] that was covering the whole coastline [00:19:57.360] all the way down there. It was [00:19:58.799] beautiful. [00:20:05.039] We took the phone back to to Vandenberg [00:20:06.960] where it was processed and a day later I [00:20:10.640] got a call from Major Mansman who said [00:20:12.960] come up to my office. So I went to his [00:20:15.360] office u and he said there was a a movie [00:20:18.799] screen set up and a 16 millimeter [00:20:20.640] projector and [snorts] there was major [00:20:22.320] mansmen and as I recall two guys in gray [00:20:26.720] suits [00:20:33.200] on the screen was the film we had shot. [00:20:37.520] We could see clearly on film the nose [00:20:40.640] cones separate and then we saw the dummy [00:20:42.880] warhead [00:20:45.360] and suddenly into that frame an object [00:20:47.919] flew in [music] chasing the warhead and [00:20:49.679] so on at the same speed that’s going [00:20:52.880] between 6 and 8,000 mph at that point [00:20:56.080] and it fired a beam of light at the [00:20:58.799] dummy warhead. The object flew up like [00:21:01.520] this, shot another beam of light at the [00:21:04.559] dummy warhead, went around like this, [00:21:06.400] shot another beam of light at it, went [00:21:08.320] down like this, shot a beam of light [00:21:09.919] like this, and then flew out the same [00:21:11.679] way it had come in. At which time the [00:21:14.320] dummy warhead did this, and fell out of [00:21:16.640] the frame, the lights came on and Major [00:21:19.919] Mansman said to me, “Were you guys [00:21:22.480] screwing around up there?” And I said, [00:21:25.200] “No, sir.” And he said, “What was that?” [00:21:29.039] And I said, “It looks like we got a [00:21:31.520] UFO.” And he said, “Lieutenant Jacobs, [00:21:35.919] you are never to speak of this again. It [00:21:38.000] never happened.” And then these two guys [00:21:40.640] in tweed jackets in the back room while [00:21:42.720] he’s watching are they basically go up [00:21:45.039] to him. They say, “Uh uh, you know, you [00:21:47.760] you are now sworn to secrecy and if you [00:21:50.400] say anything about this, you’re going to [00:21:52.159] be in real trouble.” And then they [00:21:53.760] proceed to because he he tells his story [00:21:56.240] later, they delete his records from the [00:21:59.120] government. [00:22:00.320] >> Didn’t they delete your records from the [00:22:03.280] government as well? People denied that [00:22:04.960] you worked at Vandenberg. Is that is [00:22:06.559] that right? [00:22:07.200] >> They denied there was ever a Robert [00:22:09.120] Jacobs in the Air Force. Then they in [00:22:12.080] another inquiry, they denied there was [00:22:13.760] ever a Robert Jacobs at Vandenberg Air [00:22:15.760] Force Base. [00:22:17.679] Then they denied there was ever anybody [00:22:19.600] named Robert Jacobs in charge of the [00:22:21.280] 1369th Photographic Union [00:22:26.159] division that I ran. [00:22:27.039] >> And you managed over 100 people. So it’s [00:22:29.679] pretty easy for them to corroborate. [00:22:32.799] >> Yeah. I had 134 guys working for me and [00:22:35.039] I had two two friends from college who [00:22:36.799] were my commanding people. [00:22:39.039] >> And I also have something called a DD14. [00:22:42.080] I have [clears throat] I have records [00:22:43.679] here. [00:22:45.760] I’m sure my officer efficiency reports [00:22:48.720] are in there. I can’t get rid of stuff. [00:22:50.799] My wife keeps saying, “Clear that [ __ ] [00:22:52.720] out of your out of that file cabinet [00:22:54.559] over there, Bob.” I go, “No, I might use [00:22:56.640] it.” And sure enough, it’s turned out to [00:22:58.159] be valuable. Oh, yeah. [00:22:59.280] >> In defending myself against the infamy [00:23:01.120] of the CIA, but we didn’t have a launch [00:23:03.679] on that date. There was no Atlas launch [00:23:05.679] that day. Well, goddamn well there was [00:23:07.520] because Robert found the found the files [00:23:10.159] from Vanderberg using that particular [00:23:12.720] that particular launch in detail. So [00:23:14.799] they deni they also scrubbed the launch [00:23:16.480] itself from the records. [00:23:18.159] >> Correct. Never happened. [00:23:19.200] >> Wow. And it never [00:23:21.200] >> And your mailbox was blown up as well, [00:23:23.440] right? [00:23:24.159] >> My wife and I had been out to a movie. [00:23:26.159] We came back from movie about 10:00 at [00:23:28.159] night and there was a message on on my [00:23:31.039] answering machine [00:23:33.280] and it said, [00:23:36.400] “Um, [00:23:38.000] fireworks in your mailbox at night. Oh, [00:23:40.320] what a beautiful sight. You’re going [00:23:41.840] down, motherfucker.” and my mailbox blew [00:23:44.159] up. I live on a farm. I had a rural [00:23:46.320] mailbox and sudden there was explosion. [00:23:47.679] My mailbox blew up. [00:23:50.559] I took that quite seriously. I bought an [00:23:52.799] ammunition for my gun. [00:23:54.400] >> And then Floren Mansman, his major, who [00:23:57.200] his superior, eventually is tracked down [00:23:59.679] by, I think, Bob Hastings and some other [00:24:01.840] researchers and and in the 90s admits [00:24:04.400] that he did manage Bob Jacobs. So, it’s [00:24:07.440] this crazy story. And that happened at [00:24:09.039] the same time you had an experience, [00:24:10.880] >> right? Bob Hastings put me in touch with [00:24:13.919] Bob Jacobs. [00:24:15.440] >> As you know, on American Alchemy, we [00:24:17.600] cover a lot of technology that goes [00:24:19.840] beyond human limits. This is about [00:24:22.320] technology that helps the body catch up [00:24:24.640] and feel good. 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[00:25:44.080] >> I had additional experience when I was [00:25:47.039] at Vandenberg and I was [00:25:49.440] >> I was uh able to watch him in at M not [00:25:53.279] in I was able to watch a Atlas launched [00:25:56.559] and it it uh had gone up. Now I’m [00:26:00.159] underneath the missile at this time at [00:26:01.760] Vandenberg rather than from the side. [00:26:04.080] And I’m watching this missile go and [00:26:06.559] it’s staged. before it staged. That [00:26:08.799] means this first stage dropped off. [00:26:11.279] Second stage took off. This or uh yellow [00:26:15.360] orb came over and tracked the missile. [00:26:17.919] It didn’t go around it or anything. It [00:26:20.159] tracked it. Then it staged and then it [00:26:22.480] continued tracking which meant it wasn’t [00:26:24.720] a fuel leak. Besides it was a fuel leak. [00:26:26.720] It might have [00:26:27.440] >> wow blown up. Uh and I had relayed that. [00:26:30.720] And then uh Bob Jacobs thought maybe I [00:26:34.000] had witnessed what he had witnessed, but [00:26:36.320] the timing was not right. First of all, [00:26:38.720] uh he had t uh when he saw the missile [00:26:42.159] launch, he saw it come up through the [00:26:44.000] clouds. Well, this was a cloudless day [00:26:46.240] when I saw what I saw. He saw his that [00:26:49.440] experience in September. It was closer [00:26:52.080] to May when I saw this happen. Now, you [00:26:55.200] know, I don’t know. Uh I had asked one [00:26:58.240] of the uh sergeant down on the launch [00:27:00.799] site the next day uh what happened with [00:27:03.840] that missile and he just told me if I [00:27:06.000] was wise I I would keep my mouth shut. [00:27:08.480] >> Wow. [00:27:09.039] >> And I did just that. I kept my mouth [00:27:11.279] shut. [00:27:11.679] >> So you had already seen essentially UFO [00:27:14.159] which I think at the time they used to [00:27:15.679] call tagalongs because they would often [00:27:17.840] track missile trajectories. They would [00:27:19.600] >> that’s what they did. It just it stayed [00:27:21.279] right with the missile you know. [00:27:23.120] >> That’s amazing. And in 1963, we have [00:27:25.840] another example of an F8 Atlas missile [00:27:28.240] being tracked by this sort of tag along. [00:27:30.640] And it’s even in the report. Um, and [00:27:32.799] this was, I believe, a month or two [00:27:34.960] before the Bluegill triple prime test in [00:27:37.520] uh, I think September of 1963. [00:27:40.159] >> Sergeant told me if I was wise, I keep [00:27:41.760] my mouse shut. And I figured I’m wise. [00:27:43.600] I’m going to keep my mouse shut because [00:27:45.600] I didn’t want to get into any of the [00:27:47.760] problems that, you know, uh, I I was [00:27:50.480] getting out soon in May. I would be [00:27:52.240] going to get out in June. and I just [00:27:53.760] wanted to get out and uh and uh leave it [00:27:57.760] leave it alone. So [00:27:58.960] >> So that’s fascinating because in May of [00:28:01.840] 1964, you see this sort of tagalong UFO [00:28:06.240] in September of 1964, Bob Jacobs, [00:28:09.120] unbeknownst to you during this test on [00:28:12.080] video sees a UFO shoot a dummy nuclear [00:28:15.360] warhead out of the sky. And then I want [00:28:18.480] to get to this is the you know kind of [00:28:20.080] the the the core experience that you had [00:28:23.520] was also in September of 1964. [00:28:26.159] >> My core experience was in September. [00:28:28.559] Right. [00:28:28.880] >> And what what happened then? [00:28:30.720] >> Well, I was assigned to a Minute Man [00:28:33.200] missile. Not Yeah, I was assigned to a [00:28:35.200] Minute Man missile site and the guard [00:28:37.520] shack is right next to the uh gate. [00:28:40.399] There’s a a a [00:28:42.799] fence around the missile site and and [00:28:44.960] it’s it’s got 80 add [00:28:48.960] alarms on it. Do nothing really. Uh the [00:28:52.960] site itself is well lit. Uh it has has [00:28:56.640] like a stadium lighting up there and [00:28:59.600] it’s rolled and I was on the night shift [00:29:02.640] so that uh and it was foggy and so that [00:29:07.360] kind of appeared like a dome over me or [00:29:11.520] you could probably see 30 40 feet from [00:29:14.320] where the guard check was. Um and I [00:29:18.559] could see the missile site behind me but [00:29:20.240] if I looked straight ahead I just saw a [00:29:22.240] wall of fog basically. uh the sergeant [00:29:27.039] had come and delivered a lunch which had [00:29:29.120] been 2:00 in the morning on average if [00:29:31.360] your night shift and so the timing would [00:29:34.320] have been right around 2:00 cuz the [00:29:35.919] sergeant had just left and so I’m [00:29:39.200] sitting there and [00:29:41.679] uh next thing I know I see this shadow [00:29:44.480] in the in the fog. I’m looking and I see [00:29:46.559] the shadow and uh I see a a man which [00:29:51.279] would appear to be a man or humanoid [00:29:53.760] figure uh emerge from the fog, you know, [00:29:56.159] and I thought, well, what the heck? Did [00:29:57.360] the sergeant walk back and and and is, [00:30:01.600] you know, that’s my first thing. Well, [00:30:03.279] the sergeant walked back and he’s I [00:30:06.080] couldn’t figure, but then the next thing [00:30:08.320] this figure kept coming towards me. No, [00:30:10.799] it had a like a trench coat on [00:30:13.440] >> really [00:30:13.919] >> very similar to uh the raincoats that [00:30:16.799] were issued to the officers and uh he [00:30:19.600] had a cap on which could have so my [00:30:22.720] nickname well I wonder that’s some [00:30:24.559] officer checking up on on me but as it [00:30:27.840] got closer I realized this was not what [00:30:30.720] it was and I could feel it in my mind. I [00:30:35.440] mean, it was like it was it started [00:30:38.080] grabbing hold of me and and then I [00:30:40.559] became really frightened. And as it as [00:30:43.279] it approached me, I tried to pull my [00:30:45.520] pistol. We had 38 police as part of our [00:30:48.480] our gear and I tried to pull my pistol [00:30:50.399] and my right arm was paralyzed. I [00:30:52.640] couldn’t move it. I could move my body, [00:30:54.960] but I couldn’t move my arm and I became [00:30:57.360] more terrified. And it became closer to [00:31:00.480] me. uh something I can’t I can’t see the [00:31:05.200] face if in my brain if I try to see this [00:31:07.600] face I can’t see it it’s a blank but [00:31:10.240] whatever it was was terrifying me and [00:31:12.960] whatever it was had control of at least [00:31:15.760] my right arm and I was standing just [00:31:18.480] outside the shack and I backed into the [00:31:20.880] shack uh just instinctively I guess and [00:31:25.679] I I got myself back to the back of the [00:31:28.320] sha shack and there was nowhere else to [00:31:30.640] Oh, and the figure was coming continued [00:31:33.840] coming towards me. And there was a shelf [00:31:36.480] at the back. There was a telephone on [00:31:38.080] there and it was just a shelf. And I can [00:31:40.159] remember distinctly pushing my back into [00:31:43.360] that shelf and trying to push the back [00:31:44.880] of the shack out. I was like a a rat got [00:31:47.600] in a trap. And the terror was just I [00:31:51.519] couldn’t describe how I was just [00:31:53.279] terrified. The next thing I know, I’m [00:31:55.120] out, you know, and I don’t know if I [00:31:56.880] passed out or it’s just blank at that [00:31:59.919] point. So then uh then I come to and I’m [00:32:06.240] inside this it’s a circular room. [00:32:10.000] I’m not going to call it craft cuz I [00:32:11.519] didn’t see it from the outside, but I’m [00:32:13.760] in this circular room. And I’m on my [00:32:17.039] knees and there’s about a 2 and 1/2 3ft [00:32:21.600] circle that’s clear. You could see [00:32:25.120] through it. And there’s this figure on [00:32:27.919] my right hand side. And it’s is [00:32:32.399] communicating to me, don’t look at me. [00:32:34.480] Don’t look over here. Just look through [00:32:36.240] the circle. [00:32:38.399] And uh and you know it’s weird because [00:32:41.600] it’s not words. You know what it wants. [00:32:44.080] It’s like he’s it’s very definitely a [00:32:46.880] command but it’s not in words but you [00:32:49.120] know what you know. I don’t know other [00:32:51.760] people have this psychic [00:32:54.000] uh thought process or anything like [00:32:56.399] that. But one thing that it was not [00:32:58.080] words it was just I knew I was out to [00:33:00.559] look at you just look at this circle. [00:33:04.320] So, uh, I’m looking at the circle and [00:33:07.120] what you see initially is just this gray [00:33:09.440] fog. Basically, one of the things I [00:33:11.919] noticed at the time is that I would [00:33:14.240] expect a breeze [clears throat] or [00:33:15.679] something cold to be coming through and [00:33:17.919] it wasn’t. It was like there’s a [00:33:19.519] barrier, but it wasn’t like glass. It [00:33:21.760] was just clear. And all of a sudden, [00:33:25.200] this kind of clears away like clouds [00:33:28.559] splitting. And there’s a post about a [00:33:31.360] 100 yards down the down the uh street on [00:33:34.399] the opposite side of the room. Now I’m [00:33:35.919] on on site D5. [00:33:38.720] And this is D site D11, which is across [00:33:42.799] the street down there. I was familiar [00:33:44.640] with the site. I know which one it was. [00:33:47.760] Easily identifiable by the side of the [00:33:49.760] street and the and the orientation. [00:33:52.480] And it’s just getting light and I can [00:33:55.840] see this truck pull up to the gate and [00:33:59.519] and it had it was a flatbed truck, a [00:34:02.320] long flatbed truck. It had a lot of long [00:34:04.799] pipes on it and the guard was to the [00:34:08.800] came over to the the right side of the [00:34:11.839] truck and obviously was getting ID or [00:34:15.119] checking with whoever was driving. Went [00:34:17.119] over, opened the gate, let the truck in, [00:34:19.440] and then the clouds closed up. [00:34:22.960] And uh so I’m still looking through this [00:34:25.839] hole and I’m still just you know just [00:34:28.079] keep looking through the hole and I kind [00:34:31.040] of raised my eyes to look around without [00:34:33.599] looking over and there were the opposite [00:34:36.879] me about about [00:34:39.280] oh six 10 feet away or these four [00:34:43.200] figures sitting on on a bench and I [00:34:45.839] could see that the wall of the [00:34:48.960] of the uh craft I’ll call it craft. Now, [00:34:52.399] I could see that the bench was just a [00:34:54.480] continuation of the material of whatever [00:34:57.280] the wall was and whatever lighting was [00:35:00.400] in there, it uh the figures were [00:35:02.400] celerated like the light source was [00:35:04.800] behind or from the wall, but very very [00:35:07.920] uh consistent. I mean, there wasn’t like [00:35:10.400] bright lights or anything. And [00:35:12.160] effectively, the room was pretty dark. [00:35:14.400] So, the figure seemed silhouetted [00:35:17.440] what it appeared to me like the a baby. [00:35:20.240] It had a large head and smaller body, [00:35:23.200] disproportionate. [00:35:24.720] The eyes were discernible because they [00:35:27.119] were darker than the than the skin [00:35:29.760] features or whatever. A lot of people [00:35:32.640] say they were, you know, these creatures [00:35:35.040] or creatures, beings, whatever were uh [00:35:38.400] some sort of suit or something like [00:35:40.640] that. I couldn’t really tell that. [00:35:42.400] Basically, a silhouette with just slight [00:35:45.119] features available. [00:35:47.359] And uh there were two on one side and [00:35:49.359] two on the other side with a space in [00:35:51.200] between that I took to be some sort of [00:35:53.520] door out of this room or something like [00:35:55.599] that. And uh that’s about it. I mean [00:35:59.359] that’s next thing I know I’m uh sitting [00:36:04.079] on the I’m laying on the floor of the [00:36:05.839] guard shack. Uh there’s like a little [00:36:08.720] porch right in front of of the door to [00:36:10.480] the guard check and I’m laying with my [00:36:12.160] feet off the porch on the ground and [00:36:16.560] this being is sitting on the porch and [00:36:19.440] has my head in his lap [00:36:22.240] and it’s saying to me, it’s [00:36:24.400] communicating again. It’s communicating. [00:36:27.280] Uh I’m sorry. You know, we didn’t mean [00:36:30.160] to scare you. He says it was we just you [00:36:33.920] know it was we didn’t mean to scare you [00:36:37.359] but we had had to have access to the [00:36:40.480] site. [00:36:42.240] So we needed that. We needed the [00:36:44.880] intelligence is what I was gathering out [00:36:46.800] of this form of communication that they [00:36:48.960] were just needed access to the site and [00:36:51.440] I was in the way and uh so [00:36:56.160] uh [00:36:58.160] it really felt comfortable like you know [00:37:00.800] I felt like well this is okay he’s not [00:37:02.960] going to hurt me you know uh so I was [00:37:05.520] fine you know but I kept I he the other [00:37:08.000] thing was keep my eyes tightly shut it [00:37:10.720] did not want me to look at it or see it [00:37:13.040] keep your eyes shut, you know, and and I [00:37:16.800] apologize. I’m sorry that that we scared [00:37:18.720] you so much, but we needed to have [00:37:21.200] access and you were you were in the way. [00:37:24.240] And he says, “No, I’m going to leave and [00:37:26.160] I want you to [00:37:28.240] just keep your eyes shut. Just, you [00:37:30.240] know, don’t get up. Don’t do anything. [00:37:32.320] Just stay there with your eyes shut.” [00:37:34.960] And he left. And I did just what he [00:37:37.920] said. I laid there for maybe 15 minutes [00:37:40.079] with my eyes shut. And I was glad to see [00:37:42.880] him go, frankly. Uh then I finally got [00:37:46.800] up and looked around and the sun was [00:37:50.880] just it had come over the there’s a a [00:37:54.240] ridge of mountains behind the the uh [00:37:57.200] what we call D sector probably quarter [00:38:00.400] of a mile back and the sun was coming up [00:38:02.960] over that ridge and if you look towards [00:38:05.359] the ocean you could see the light coming [00:38:08.160] you know lighting up. the ocean. It was [00:38:10.560] kind of a beautiful sight. And uh I [00:38:14.160] looked over to my right and there was a [00:38:16.560] little chipmunk on the ground. [00:38:19.119] And I have never I just felt so much [00:38:21.440] love for that little chickp, you know. [00:38:23.680] Uh I felt like I was joined with that [00:38:26.800] chickmunk, you know, one one living [00:38:28.720] creature to another and the little [00:38:30.079] chipmunk kind of just looked back at me [00:38:32.720] and uh kind of scured away. [00:38:36.560] uh about 20 30 minutes later uh the time [00:38:41.599] would be probably around 6:30 7:00 [00:38:46.000] my relief came. Now, the missiles uh [00:38:49.220] [snorts] [00:38:50.560] uh 50 60 yards off the main road. [00:38:53.680] There’s a little road that goes to the [00:38:55.119] to the missile site. And you know, my [00:38:58.640] relief came down, relieved me, and then [00:39:00.560] I they were all delivered by these Air [00:39:02.640] Force route pickup uh trucks, four-door [00:39:05.680] uh pickup trucks basically. And I could [00:39:09.920] have gotten in four door or four-doors [00:39:12.720] seat in the back. I could have gotten [00:39:14.079] inside, but I didn’t want to. I gotten [00:39:17.280] back and I I put my back to the cab of [00:39:19.920] the truck and I pulled my feet up and [00:39:22.720] then they went and picked up the other [00:39:24.240] guards and uh I was just real quiet and [00:39:27.200] they were asking me what’s wrong and you [00:39:29.520] know and I knew something had happened [00:39:32.400] but I couldn’t quite put my finger on [00:39:36.160] something profound happened but and I [00:39:38.480] was confused and it was cold because it [00:39:41.440] had been a foggy morning until the sun [00:39:44.000] came up and kind of burned it off but it [00:39:45.839] was fell cold and I was just trying to [00:39:49.839] what’s what happened you know what [00:39:52.000] figured you know I couldn’t figure it [00:39:53.359] out and uh by the time I got back to [00:39:55.760] base well it was I couldn’t remember [00:39:58.480] anything [00:40:00.079] now I didn’t remember this particular [00:40:02.880] thing until two weeks later rough [00:40:06.240] roughly two weeks later [snorts] and I I [00:40:09.760] was aware that something had happened [00:40:11.760] but I couldn’t put my finger on it and [00:40:13.440] I’d try to put it aside and it was just [00:40:15.760] something that nagged at me. But then I [00:40:18.720] got up in the morning or was in [00:40:21.520] apparently on the on the day shift [00:40:23.920] because uh it was early morning and all [00:40:27.839] of a sudden and you know I’ve heard of [00:40:30.000] paralysis of sleep where people have [00:40:31.839] these experiences when they’re I wasn’t [00:40:33.920] paralyzed. I woke up and all of a sudden [00:40:36.960] I got flooded with this whole experience [00:40:39.359] that I just told you and it wasn’t a [00:40:42.079] dream. I could tell you it was so real. [00:40:44.560] I’ve never had a dream like that before [00:40:46.960] and I’ve never had that happen since. It [00:40:49.839] was real and I knew it was real. And I I [00:40:53.599] was laying next to some Venetian blinds [00:40:55.839] and I picked them up and and kind of [00:40:57.520] looked out. The sun was shining and I [00:41:00.560] looked over and my roommate was asleep [00:41:02.560] and I I kept thinking, “God, what what’s [00:41:05.440] this? I need to tell somebody. This is [00:41:07.839] this is critical. You know, there’s some [00:41:10.240] entities got on my site.” And I got up [00:41:13.599] and I got dressed and was going to [00:41:16.160] breakfast and I thought, “No, this is [00:41:18.000] this is crazy. I’m not going to tell [00:41:19.440] anybody. They’re gonna gonna put me in [00:41:21.599] the sightboard.” And then it was like I [00:41:24.160] got something in my mind says, “No, [00:41:26.319] don’t you tell anybody. You keep this to [00:41:28.400] yourself.” [00:41:30.000] It’s like there was a preset command or [00:41:32.400] something like that. I think it was so [00:41:34.720] vivid that it was it was kind of [00:41:37.440] released. 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See, in the missile, there’s [00:44:03.119] at the top of a man missile, there’s a [00:44:06.400] like a donut on a on a toilet paper [00:44:09.040] roll. There’s a room that has the [00:44:11.280] electronics equipment in it. Has a [00:44:13.200] separate access door to it. and and uh [00:44:17.520] inside there are involving they were big [00:44:20.400] old computers back in those days. See [00:44:23.760] when the when the missile is is gets the [00:44:26.240] launch command then it’s that’s it. Uh [00:44:29.920] in order to keep somebody from [00:44:31.280] sabotaging it or stopping the launch [00:44:33.599] everything takes place in that little [00:44:35.200] room and that’s where the crew does that [00:44:37.520] does the uh maintenance on the missile [00:44:40.560] and everything like that. There’s a door [00:44:42.000] that actually opens into the silo. And [00:44:44.960] so they needed to get in that room and [00:44:47.520] probably to those computers and and [00:44:49.680] launch uh [00:44:52.480] things. That’s where I’m thinking that [00:44:54.400] they got the data. That’s the basically [00:44:56.480] what uh I’m speculating. But [00:44:59.200] >> they used the shack essentially as a a [00:45:01.359] point of access for this. Okay. Yeah, [00:45:03.920] they just I was at the check and they [00:45:05.920] just needed to [00:45:07.520] >> be need be need be need be need be need [00:45:08.480] be need be need be need be need be need [00:45:08.480] be need me out of the way basically [00:45:10.800] >> and as he came towards me and I passed [00:45:13.520] out I was out of the way. [00:45:14.880] >> So you were just between him and this [00:45:16.480] electronics room essentially. [00:45:18.000] >> Well there there’s a fence with the ADT [00:45:20.079] that I’m in front of the fence. [00:45:21.680] >> Got it. So somehow they got through the [00:45:24.079] ADT and got into the crew access uh [00:45:29.280] area and down into I have to assume [00:45:32.000] because I’m passed out at this point, [00:45:34.319] but he did say or communicate that they [00:45:37.599] needed the data from the missile. So my [00:45:40.960] assumption is they’ve got down in that [00:45:42.880] crew area and and [00:45:45.280] got the whatever data they needed. The [00:45:47.680] first being you see has a trench coat on [00:45:50.079] and looks like this shadowy silhouette. [00:45:52.560] >> Yeah. No, he’s I just can’t remember its [00:45:55.040] face. [00:45:55.599] >> Okay. So, kind of hard to just recall [00:45:59.040] like a little [00:45:59.680] >> face terrified me. I know the face [00:46:01.440] terrified me. I can’t tell you what it [00:46:03.200] was cuz I don’t think my brain wants to [00:46:06.400] remember, but it terrified me. I don’t [00:46:08.400] know that was big eyes or I have no idea [00:46:11.119] what it was, but it terrified me. I know [00:46:13.680] how terrified it was. You you can’t [00:46:15.760] dream. I don’t think you can dream that [00:46:18.079] kind of terror. It’s like a rat that’s [00:46:19.920] trapped in a corner by the cat. [00:46:21.760] >> But it was wearing human clothing. [00:46:25.119] >> Humanoid. I mean, humanoid, probably 5 [00:46:28.000] foot 10, probably uh very human. [00:46:32.079] >> And the trench coat didn’t seem [00:46:34.000] otherworldly. It seemed [00:46:35.200] >> wasn’t otherworldly. That’s what made me [00:46:36.720] think it might have been an officer. [00:46:38.400] >> Yeah. And uh so maybe he was kind of in [00:46:41.040] disguise or something. [00:46:42.400] >> Yeah. You know, I didn’t know what was [00:46:43.839] going on. It just that was my first [00:46:45.599] impression. But then I when my when my [00:46:48.400] arm was paralyzed and I felt him in [00:46:51.359] control, he had control of me. I say he [00:46:54.960] but he had control of me, you know. I’m [00:46:58.079] assuming it was I mean I’d read it as a [00:47:01.440] male figure because the trench coat [00:47:03.040] women don’t wear trench coats and [00:47:06.319] originally I thought it was an officer. [00:47:08.160] And then it it realized it was something [00:47:09.760] else. And then then it as it moved [00:47:12.720] towards me, it had control of me. And [00:47:14.480] then I passed, you know, I couldn’t pull [00:47:16.480] my weapon. Oh. And I tried to scream [00:47:19.200] because I wanted to scream. And I all I [00:47:22.000] can get is a little I couldn’t even [00:47:24.640] scream, you know. [00:47:25.760] >> Wow. [00:47:26.240] >> And and uh then I I I remember my back [00:47:30.000] pressing into that shelf and then the [00:47:33.359] blank. Do they look like the typical [00:47:36.240] classic gray alien that [00:47:37.760] >> No, it was more like a baby’s head. It [00:47:39.359] was It didn’t have I I don’t recall [00:47:42.079] ears. I know there was no hair. You [00:47:44.319] could you could tell that even in [00:47:45.839] siloette. I mean, there were it was a [00:47:47.680] round head with big eyes. That’s what [00:47:50.079] >> But gray aliens have large heads [00:47:52.560] proportionate to their body. These were [00:47:54.560] different in some way than the typical [00:47:56.319] >> gray. If I visualize this, the chin was [00:47:59.520] not pointed. You see so many pictures of [00:48:01.839] pointed chins. It it was looked like a [00:48:04.480] baby’s head. [00:48:06.240] >> Interesting. [00:48:07.280] >> You know, and one of the things the [00:48:09.520] necks were like a baby’s neck. You know, [00:48:12.160] you see pictures of the aliens with [00:48:14.000] these thin necks and the big head. Yeah. [00:48:16.720] >> Well, those nicks couldn’t hold [00:48:19.200] >> that heavy. [clears throat] You know, [00:48:20.240] the the nicks were proportionate that [00:48:22.319] would [00:48:23.359] >> like our nicks, you know. They’re [00:48:24.640] they’re they’re round enough and strong [00:48:27.119] enough to hold up this big head. [00:48:28.880] >> What color was their skin? Well, to me [00:48:31.760] it was just all dark. I mean, it was uh [00:48:35.760] it was just dark. It was like I say a [00:48:37.920] solo, maybe dark gray or uh [00:48:41.119] >> but hard to tell because the lighting [00:48:42.559] was hard because the lighting the [00:48:43.839] lighting was obviously backlighting of [00:48:46.720] some sort. [00:48:47.520] >> And they’re they’re communicating to [00:48:49.040] you. Don’t look. [00:48:50.720] >> No, they’re not doing anything. [00:48:52.000] >> They’re not they’re not communicating. [00:48:53.040] >> They’re watching me. Okay. [00:48:54.240] >> They’re just watching me. So the the [00:48:56.079] other figure that [00:48:57.119] >> the other figure the humanoid figure [00:48:58.800] >> the humanoid [clears throat] figure [00:48:59.760] >> that’s the one that did all the [00:49:00.960] communication. [00:49:02.000] >> Okay. And that one is communicating [00:49:04.000] don’t look as soon as [00:49:04.960] >> that’s one saying don’t look. Just [00:49:06.319] >> that’s as soon as you’re in the craft. [00:49:07.839] He’s saying don’t look. Don’t look. [00:49:09.119] >> Don’t look. Just keep looking through [00:49:10.400] the hole. That’s all it was. [00:49:11.760] >> And you you’re looking through the hole, [00:49:12.960] but then at some point you see these [00:49:14.720] four. [00:49:15.680] >> Well, when when we when they closed up [00:49:18.000] oversight D11, then I raised my eye. I [00:49:20.880] didn’t lift my head. I raised my eyes. [00:49:24.559] So my view is, you know, through the Dub [00:49:28.160] and and but I could see towards the wall [00:49:30.720] and I could see the four figures. [00:49:32.800] >> You mentioned being extremely afraid [00:49:34.960] around the original humanoid figure. [00:49:37.359] What did you feel when you’re in the [00:49:38.800] presence of these four beings? [00:49:40.400] >> I felt very comfortable. It was I felt [00:49:43.440] everything was okay, you know. I wasn’t [00:49:45.760] afraid. I wasn’t uh just everything is [00:49:49.119] okay. It’s almost to the point I’m just [00:49:50.800] curious what’s happening. But no fear at [00:49:53.920] that point. The fear had that terror had [00:49:57.680] gone away. [00:49:58.559] >> Did you ever have the thought, why am I [00:50:00.559] not afraid? Because this is an extremely [00:50:03.040] anomalous experience I’m having. [00:50:04.640] >> And I also wondered why it was I felt so [00:50:08.559] comfortable. I just comfortable. You [00:50:10.079] know, it’s like I was experiencing [00:50:12.079] something like that, but almost [00:50:15.760] like I’m not like I’m viewing myself [00:50:18.800] almost. I mean, I wasn’t viewing myself. [00:50:20.640] It was from my own. [00:50:22.400] >> Were they making you feel comfortable, [00:50:24.319] do you think? Or obviously this is your [00:50:26.319] interpretation. [00:50:26.960] >> They may have, you know, there’s a [00:50:28.480] there’s a blank period between [00:50:31.920] passing out in the shed and waking, you [00:50:33.920] know, or coming to in the vessel. Now, [00:50:36.160] they could have given me a sedative or [00:50:38.640] used telepathy to make me feel [00:50:41.359] comfortable because it went from one [00:50:42.960] extreme to comfortable and then on the [00:50:45.680] guard shack floor to ecstasy. You know, [00:50:50.079] I felt so good sitting, you know, with [00:50:52.960] my head on this lap, you know, like I [00:50:55.760] just felt wonderful. You know, this I [00:50:58.240] could, if I were to [00:51:01.280] relate it to something, I’d say because [00:51:03.440] of my background, it would be a baby [00:51:05.440] suckling at its mother’s breast. You [00:51:07.599] know, that just nice and warm and [00:51:10.160] comfortable and mommy’s there and I feel [00:51:12.720] okay and the world’s okay and the world [00:51:15.280] is good. And then it that it it did say [00:51:19.040] then it goes back to your original [00:51:20.559] question. Did he say anything else? Yes. [00:51:24.240] Or communicating anything else is that [00:51:28.640] they’re not going to let it, you know, [00:51:30.240] go to nuclear war. They needed to stop [00:51:32.400] these missiles from launching. They were [00:51:34.640] trying to get the data on how to [00:51:37.839] was their task then. And that there [00:51:40.480] wasn’t they weren’t going to allow these [00:51:42.160] missiles to be launched. they weren’t [00:51:43.680] allowed to go to nuclear war in essence [00:51:46.559] that earth made uh you know was [00:51:49.359] important to them and then there was [00:51:51.599] another thing uh that not every spec [00:51:56.160] there were more than one species and [00:51:57.520] there weren’t all as benevolent as [00:51:59.800] [snorts] [00:52:00.800] they were [00:52:01.920] >> this creature it’s like you know and if [00:52:06.640] it if push came to shove [00:52:09.440] there could be some real issues over [00:52:11.599] who’s going [00:52:13.119] control. You know, once they take at [00:52:15.839] that point, once they stop all the [00:52:17.280] missiles, they’re [00:52:19.680] going to take over with the sense I got. [00:52:22.160] >> So, there are multiple nonhuman species. [00:52:24.720] This species happens to be sort of [00:52:27.280] >> very benevolent, [00:52:28.079] >> doing recon on the nuclear codes and how [00:52:30.880] things work and they’re presenting [00:52:32.640] themselves as benevolent. And do you [00:52:34.880] trust, you know, coming away from the [00:52:36.559] experience that they were benevolent? [00:52:38.319] Yeah, I think I I just lucked out. [00:52:42.160] >> Did they say which species they came [00:52:44.400] from? [00:52:45.200] >> Didn’t tell me any of that. It’s just [00:52:47.280] basically that the Earth was the sense [00:52:50.559] was look, this is a planet’s important [00:52:52.800] to us and we’re not going to let you [00:52:54.880] destroy it and if wor comes to shove, [00:52:59.119] we’re going to intervene. [00:53:01.280] The love that you felt for the chipmunk, [00:53:04.000] was that representative of some larger [00:53:07.280] flooding of love that you felt for all? [00:53:10.400] >> That was Yeah, it was like I had this [00:53:12.800] feeling of ecstasy while I was laying on [00:53:15.119] the lap of the being, you know, that and [00:53:18.319] then it just carried over, you know, [00:53:20.640] once he left, I kept my eyes shut for a [00:53:22.880] while and then I got up and there’s this [00:53:25.440] chipmunk sitting there and I just felt [00:53:27.200] this connection. just was I just love [00:53:29.920] that little chipmunk, you know, and and [00:53:31.839] I felt connected to it like, you know, [00:53:34.400] here’s here’s another living being and [00:53:37.200] I’m part we’re part of the there was no [00:53:40.160] separation. We were in the same [00:53:43.839] we were just a living beings and and we [00:53:45.760] there was something good about that, you [00:53:47.680] know. [00:53:48.240] >> I know it was dark, but what did the [00:53:49.920] room look like if you had to describe [00:53:52.000] it? Do you remember the [00:53:52.880] >> walls say is that okay the walls were [00:53:57.119] grayish [00:53:58.480] >> okay which fell away so there was the [00:54:01.440] lighting in the room I don’t know how [00:54:03.200] much came through the hole in the floor [00:54:06.000] or how much was backlighting on the wall [00:54:08.319] however the figures were back lit [00:54:10.960] because they were silhouetted so it must [00:54:13.599] you know the walls must have had some [00:54:16.000] sort of of floor or candlesence that [00:54:21.280] made and put the figures in in uh in [00:54:25.599] this silhouette that I was was looking [00:54:27.599] at. I could distinguish the eyes as [00:54:30.160] large but not all of sheep like you see [00:54:32.160] in a lot of the typical picture. They [00:54:34.319] were just big big eyes [00:54:37.280] >> and and dark you know darker than say [00:54:40.319] the skin or [00:54:42.000] >> did the room look indistinguishable from [00:54:44.800] something man-made or did it look [00:54:46.720] >> Oh no. It was man-made. [00:54:47.920] >> It look the room itself looked like it [00:54:49.599] could have been [00:54:50.240] >> molded. molded. [00:54:51.599] >> Yeah. Look, if I were to say just one [00:54:54.480] giant piece of plastic, you know, one [00:54:56.559] giant piece of of gray plastic. [00:54:59.359] >> Well, that that doesn’t sound man-made [00:55:00.880] to me, I don’t think. [00:55:01.599] >> No, it is. It Well, it might not be. [00:55:04.640] >> I mean, well, there’s a difference [00:55:05.839] between artificially constructed by [00:55:08.079] deliberately and and man, humanmade. Are [00:55:11.280] you saying human? [00:55:12.720] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [00:55:13.760] >> Uh [00:55:15.680] had to be an awfully big mold. I mean, [00:55:17.359] you know, you’re talking a room that’s [00:55:18.559] that’s maybe 15 feet across. And uh [00:55:22.559] >> why did it look molded? [00:55:24.640] >> Because of the bench. [00:55:26.079] >> Okay. [00:55:26.559] >> The bench that the the four entities [00:55:28.880] were sitting on, you could see [00:55:31.920] the the they were silhouetted. They were [00:55:34.400] very dark, but the wall and the material [00:55:36.559] was grayish. [00:55:38.800] >> So, I could see the the material. And [00:55:41.760] oh, also the floor was was concave. [00:55:45.200] the in other words, they were elevated [00:55:47.520] somewhat above where I was on my knees [00:55:50.559] down there. [00:55:51.119] >> Any seams or rivets or [00:55:53.760] >> so it was sort of smooth and [00:55:56.160] >> smooth even even to the point it looked [00:55:59.200] like I could fall through that hole if I [00:56:01.200] got too close. [00:56:02.480] >> I mean, it looked like a hole. [00:56:04.640] >> Yeah. [00:56:05.359] >> But there was no there was just the rim, [00:56:08.799] but there was no, you know, there’s no [00:56:11.359] not like a seam or anything there. like [00:56:13.119] it was part of the same material except [00:56:15.280] it was transparent. [00:56:16.640] >> So it looked it sounds like a classic [00:56:19.280] saucer that you hear in other alien [00:56:21.760] abduction stories. [00:56:23.760] >> I guess so. At the time I didn’t know [00:56:25.760] what other especially from the inside, [00:56:28.240] you know. [00:56:28.960] >> Yeah. Have you looked into any other [00:56:31.200] stories that sort of align with yours? [00:56:33.599] >> Be hard to find anything that describes [00:56:35.119] the in I mean you know I hear these [00:56:36.799] bright lights and I these creatures [00:56:39.599] obviously didn’t want bright lights. you [00:56:41.760] know, they have big eyes. Uh, the room [00:56:44.480] was dark and you hear people, well, they [00:56:47.119] wake up in this room and it’s all lit up [00:56:49.599] and it’s bright and I that’s doesn’t [00:56:51.760] seem consistent to me that [00:56:54.079] >> because if you’re going to have big [00:56:55.440] eyes, you must be dark adapted from [00:56:57.440] wherever you come from. [00:56:58.799] >> What time of day was this? You were [00:57:00.640] taken in the morning. Is that right? Or [00:57:02.480] >> Okay. It started right after the launch [00:57:04.960] was delivered, which would put it about [00:57:06.559] 2:00. [00:57:07.359] >> Okay. [00:57:07.839] >> Okay. Uh, when I’m on the In the morning [00:57:12.079] when I’m looking through the hole, well, [00:57:15.359] it’s light enough to see [00:57:18.079] what’s going on on the ground. Like just [00:57:20.559] sunrise basically. Uh like [00:57:25.599] just kind of like dawn, you know, not [00:57:27.599] not well lit, but enough that you can [00:57:30.319] discern. I could see the truck. I could [00:57:32.160] see it was loaded with pipes. I could [00:57:33.839] see the see the guard walk over to the [00:57:36.640] window. I could see him open the gate [00:57:38.640] and the truck drive in. That was all. [00:57:41.839] But it was like not you know it wasn’t [00:57:44.799] it wasn’t a sunshine lit uh scene. The [00:57:48.240] sunshine came when I looked and it saw [00:57:51.359] the chickmunk and the sun was actually [00:57:53.839] coming over that ridge of mountains and [00:57:56.799] and uh it was kind of pretty because if [00:57:59.040] you look towards the ocean and then you [00:58:00.640] could see the ocean kind of with a kind [00:58:02.960] of yellow color to it and uh and and it [00:58:06.000] felt so good, you I mean, I’m sitting [00:58:07.839] here and everything just felt good. [00:58:10.000] >> And so, so this whole event was morning [00:58:12.319] to like afternoonish. [00:58:14.559] >> No, the whole event was say 2:00 a.m. to [00:58:17.359] uh [00:58:17.599] >> Oh, 2 a.m. [00:58:18.480] >> Okay. 2:00 a.m. till uh probably 6:00 [00:58:21.920] a.m. I’m not sure when sunrise is, but [00:58:24.319] >> Got it. So there’s two to and that’s [00:58:26.880] when when Bob Hastings asked me over [00:58:30.880] with the original one when he was on [00:58:32.400] George Nory uh when I got cut off he had [00:58:36.000] asked me uh about a gap in time and I [00:58:40.000] had not thought about that gap in time [00:58:41.680] but between 2:00 a.m. And the time the [00:58:45.520] entity came to me and say 5:36 in the [00:58:49.680] morning, well, there’s a gap and I had [00:58:51.760] never even considered that. And that was [00:58:54.640] and that’s when I got caught off because [00:58:56.319] I was just going to say, hey, I had [00:58:58.880] considered that. [00:59:00.559] >> So there is a there’s a gap. Now, what [00:59:02.559] went on in that gap? We’re talking say [00:59:05.440] 2:30 to to 6, that’s three some odd [00:59:09.440] hours. You know, it’s more than what I’m [00:59:11.599] describing to you. M [00:59:12.880] >> so I have no idea what went on. [00:59:15.440] >> So maybe some lost time. [00:59:17.359] >> It’s lost time definitely. You know, I I [00:59:19.599] I [00:59:21.200] had my friend Lonnie that uh is a [00:59:24.079] doctorate in in uh psychology, and I had [00:59:26.960] told her about this uh oh, 20 some odd [00:59:31.119] years ago. And uh and she one of her [00:59:34.720] specialties is regressive hypnosis, but [00:59:37.599] she didn’t want to put me through [00:59:39.119] regressive hypnosis because I was when I [00:59:41.839] was relating, she thought I was so [00:59:43.440] upset. She didn’t she felt this wasn’t [00:59:45.920] her pay grade, you know, to deal with [00:59:47.520] somebody [00:59:48.880] that uh you know she with past lives she [00:59:51.920] did deal with the with the experiences [00:59:55.839] like I had or [00:59:57.440] >> when you are guarding this shack from [01:00:01.760] like [01:00:02.400] >> I’m not guarding the shack. I’m guarding [01:00:03.760] the missile site. The shack’s for [01:00:05.280] shelter. [01:00:05.839] >> When you’re guarding when you’re at the [01:00:07.359] shack and you’re guarding the missile [01:00:09.200] site and it’s early morning around the [01:00:12.240] time of, you know, 2:00 a.m. to 6:00 [01:00:13.839] a.m., are you generally interacting with [01:00:15.839] anyone else? No, there’s no one there. [01:00:18.000] >> Okay. [01:00:18.400] >> Guards are we were just put out there [01:00:20.640] all by ourselves and we spent the whole [01:00:22.240] shift by oursel. We were supposed to [01:00:25.440] this probably I’m not we were supposed [01:00:28.960] to make a call when the missile was in [01:00:31.359] in the silo. We were supposed to make a [01:00:33.359] call every half hour and then to command [01:00:37.359] post [01:00:39.599] but we didn’t because it was just a [01:00:42.400] given. [01:00:43.520] uh call me in the morning and they were [01:00:45.599] supposed to log it. Well, they logged it [01:00:47.280] all night long. They slept. Uh we didn’t [01:00:51.200] sleep. I think we were but uh we didn’t [01:00:53.680] want to get caught sleeping. But if you [01:00:56.079] were in command post, nobody nobody can [01:00:58.960] get into command post without going [01:01:01.280] through knocking on doors and everything [01:01:03.520] like that. So, they would take turns [01:01:05.520] sleeping. Uh they would log all the [01:01:08.079] calls and we would just fool around, you [01:01:12.079] know. And uh it was boring. You know, [01:01:14.799] you go out there at in the middle of the [01:01:16.799] night and uh it’s dark and and or foggy. [01:01:21.359] You’re [01:01:23.040] nothing to do. You you know, you can’t [01:01:24.559] even read because we sneak books on some [01:01:27.280] of the sites, but you couldn’t even [01:01:29.920] admit it, man. You couldn’t it was too [01:01:31.440] dark. Even with the bright light, you [01:01:33.040] couldn’t because the light was focused [01:01:35.200] on the on the silo itself, not on the on [01:01:38.160] the launch complex. And you know, you [01:01:40.640] have a little light like one of these up [01:01:42.880] here and it’s barely lit. And so, [01:01:45.377] [snorts] [01:01:46.319] uh, basically we all hated Minute. I [01:01:49.119] mean, one of us hated Minute. And, uh, [01:01:52.559] sometimes we’d get, we had phones [01:01:54.799] because they would call in from we’d had [01:01:56.720] to make the call into, uh, command post. [01:01:59.680] So, we’d call each other. When you’re in [01:02:02.079] this room or UFO, saucer, whatever it [01:02:05.359] is, and you’re hovering above the base, [01:02:08.160] do you see what they’re trying to do or [01:02:11.200] monitor? [01:02:12.960] >> I don’t know why they showed me that. [01:02:14.480] It’s just like they could. [01:02:17.680] >> They were trying to show me I was in a [01:02:20.960] craft, I guess, and that, you know, show [01:02:23.760] me if something that I’d be familiar [01:02:25.599] with. [01:02:26.319] >> How what do you know what day in [01:02:27.920] September this might have been? [01:02:29.359] >> No, I don’t. you know, because it was it [01:02:32.079] was two weeks later when the full never [01:02:36.079] came back and then uh so I I I couldn’t [01:02:40.000] tell you what particular I probably [01:02:42.400] could have at the time. [01:02:43.599] >> Did you tell anybody at the base? [01:02:45.280] >> Oh god. No. [01:02:46.160] >> Did you know of any UFO activity at [01:02:48.960] Vandenberg Air Force Base at the time? [01:02:50.799] >> Not at the time. you know, all the all [01:02:52.960] the scuttlebutt was if you went out to D [01:02:55.280] sector, which is 20 miles away from the [01:02:57.680] base and your uh scuttlebutt, you know, [01:03:00.160] to scare the new guys was Bigfoot’s out [01:03:02.480] there and he’s he’s going to get you, [01:03:04.640] but there was nothing about UFOs or even [01:03:07.440] talk about it that I know. [01:03:09.040] >> Do you ever speculate that the UFO you [01:03:11.280] were in was the same UFO that maybe shot [01:03:14.079] the dummy nuclear warhead out of the sky [01:03:16.400] in Bob Jacob’s case? [01:03:17.520] >> They’re this two too close together. [01:03:19.280] September September. So, and not this [01:03:23.760] was at night. Bob Jacobs was in the [01:03:25.839] daytime. Uh, but I’m sure the activity [01:03:29.680] was coordinated. You know, it could have [01:03:32.480] been the same craft. Could have been I [01:03:34.880] don’t know what their structure is out [01:03:36.799] there, how many of them there are, but [01:03:38.799] >> have you seen any UFOs since then or [01:03:41.440] seen had any, you know, direct contact [01:03:43.760] experiences? [01:03:44.640] >> Not direct contact, but we were on [01:03:47.119] Fourth of July where I live. Uh the [01:03:51.280] house the the park is along a wash and [01:03:55.119] and it’s a great place to watch the [01:03:57.200] Fourth of July fireworks and we were [01:04:00.079] sitting there and this would have been [01:04:01.599] probably in the [01:04:04.240] around 2000 in that vicinity. Uh we’re [01:04:07.680] out there watching fireworks and [01:04:09.359] somebody said there’s what’s that bright [01:04:11.680] light up there? And I looked up and I [01:04:13.119] said I think that’s Jupiter. And and he [01:04:15.359] said no Jupiter it’s over there. 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Is that moving?” And he [01:06:27.599] said, “Yeah, it’s moving.” So then he [01:06:29.680] gave back to me and it goes it starts [01:06:32.160] into a zigzag [01:06:34.640] and then [01:06:36.640] uh it goes into a zigzag and and uh then [01:06:41.039] it kind of shot off towards the north [01:06:43.359] and so there was no real interaction but [01:06:46.640] and I said to this friend I said that’s [01:06:49.119] a UFO [01:06:51.039] and uh [01:06:53.039] so he was kind of skeptical but I said [01:06:56.319] Roger is is something identified. We [01:07:00.079] don’t know what it is and it’s up there [01:07:01.599] in the sky. So, it’s a UFO. I don’t [01:07:03.520] think it’s a flying saucer, but it’s [01:07:06.000] very unique. You know, that was the only [01:07:08.319] other time something and there were like [01:07:11.440] five of us that witnessed that. But [01:07:13.760] >> is there anything else worthy of [01:07:15.520] relaying that you haven’t told me about [01:07:17.280] the core experience in 1964 in [01:07:19.920] September? [01:07:20.559] >> No, because it’s to me it’s it’s it’s [01:07:23.039] three segments. It was initially [01:07:26.720] the entity coming out of the fog and the [01:07:29.599] terror I felt inside the craft. We’ll [01:07:32.640] call it craft and then on the floor of [01:07:35.119] the guard shack and waking up and [01:07:37.440] looking at the jip bunk. Uh you know [01:07:41.359] when when it came flashing back that’s [01:07:44.319] when I went back and tried to put the [01:07:46.640] time together like getting on the truck [01:07:48.640] and knowing what [01:07:50.720] why I felt so odd when I got on the [01:07:52.640] truck. Well, it was because I had had [01:07:56.240] this experience, but it was fading, you [01:07:58.319] know, and and by the time I got back to [01:08:00.799] base, it was gone, you know. It was uh [01:08:03.039] although there was this nagging feeling [01:08:06.799] that I knew something had happened, but [01:08:08.640] I couldn’t tell you what it was, but it [01:08:10.319] it really nagged at me. It was, you [01:08:13.440] know, uncomfortable feeling. Something [01:08:15.200] happened, but I don’t know what. Did you [01:08:18.080] have any physical marks or chips [01:08:21.759] implanted or anything like that? [01:08:23.120] >> Not that I know of. I can tell you just [01:08:25.679] and I don’t know if it relates or not. I [01:08:28.480] recall at one time uh I had it like a [01:08:32.640] sinus deal and I I blew my nose and a BB [01:08:36.719] came out little round ball with a flat [01:08:40.000] side on it. [01:08:40.799] >> Really? [01:08:41.359] >> Yeah. But I didn’t correlate that to [01:08:43.920] that experience at all. I didn’t I [01:08:45.600] didn’t connect it. Well, what when was [01:08:47.679] that? [01:08:48.239] >> Oh, probably few years later, you know. [01:08:51.279] >> But that that’s really interesting. [01:08:53.600] >> Yeah, it is now that I looked at [01:08:55.279] >> a metal BB came out of your nose. [01:08:57.040] >> Out of my nose. Yeah. [01:08:58.480] >> And and I believe the nose is one of the [01:09:00.719] most common places that people have sort [01:09:02.880] of implants. [01:09:03.600] >> I didn’t I didn’t connect at all. I just [01:09:05.440] was I wonder I thought maybe well when I [01:09:07.520] was a kid. Bob Hastings himself who [01:09:10.000] wrote UFOs and Nukes is actually a UFO [01:09:12.239] experiencer and he wrote a book about [01:09:14.880] this called Confessions [01:09:17.120] >> and he talks about an implant in his [01:09:19.920] nose and then waking up with uh blood on [01:09:22.960] his pillow. You did mention after the [01:09:24.880] camping trip in 1988 you waking up with [01:09:27.600] blood on your pillow, [01:09:28.960] >> right? [01:09:29.359] >> Uh did that have to do with anything [01:09:30.960] that possibly was inserted in you? You [01:09:33.440] know, there are implants that have been [01:09:34.719] reported in certain abduction cases. I [01:09:37.199] was aware of the concept of implants and [01:09:39.520] people finding blood on you know their [01:09:41.600] clo bed bed clothing and so on so forth. [01:09:44.400] Um I never felt the need for whatever [01:09:46.719] reason to you know uh investigate that [01:09:49.920] further you know like try to get an [01:09:51.600] X-ray. I mean if you went to a doctor [01:09:53.359] and said you know I think I have an [01:09:55.040] alien implant in my head would you x-ray [01:09:56.880] me? I just wasn’t prepared to go there. [01:09:59.199] So I I you know I thought I might have [01:10:01.280] something in my body but I didn’t really [01:10:02.880] think about it. Well, uh, in 2001, I [01:10:07.280] believe it was, um, I was having [01:10:09.440] breathing problems. I had a deviated [01:10:11.280] septum. So, I finally had some nasal [01:10:13.440] surgery. And so, I have that done to [01:10:15.760] correct this problem. And I go in for [01:10:19.199] the post operation meeting with the [01:10:21.199] doctor. And he said, he was like, I [01:10:23.360] would say in his late 60s, early 70s, he [01:10:26.239] was shaking his head literally and [01:10:27.840] figuratively. And he said, “I found [01:10:29.920] something in your right nostril that was [01:10:31.760] so hard I almost couldn’t break through [01:10:33.520] it.” He said, “It was the damnest thing, [01:10:35.920] you know, and he was saying, you know, [01:10:37.679] I’ve done this for many years. I’ve [01:10:39.199] never seen anything like it or [01:10:40.719] encountered anything like it.” Whatever [01:10:42.320] words he used. And you know, I’m kind of [01:10:45.440] rolling my eyes and going, “Holy crap. I [01:10:47.520] bet I know what it was.” But what they [01:10:50.000] do is they have a a vacuum wand with a [01:10:52.560] tube attached to a tank. And so they’re [01:10:55.120] they’re rotorooering [01:10:57.120] your nose and getting cartilage out and [01:10:59.199] cleaning up your nasal passages. So [01:11:01.520] whatever was in there, they just sucked [01:11:04.000] out and discarded. You know, to him it [01:11:06.320] was just some sort of biological [01:11:08.239] anomaly. [01:11:08.800] >> She never saved it. [01:11:09.920] >> So you know, it was gone by the time, [01:11:12.000] you know, he told me about that. [01:11:13.520] >> I just did. It was quite a few years [01:11:15.920] later. I didn’t connect it. I just [01:11:18.320] thought it was I must have put that in [01:11:20.480] there when I was a kid. It was the only [01:11:23.520] thing it wasn’t a copper BB. It was it [01:11:25.840] was uh like chrome plated or something. [01:11:28.400] >> Did you save it and test it or anything [01:11:30.320] else or? [01:11:30.880] >> No, cuz I I I [01:11:33.440] spit it, you know, into my hand and then [01:11:35.440] I thought, “Oh, this must have been [01:11:37.120] there for years and I threw it away.” [01:11:38.880] >> Did you ever think, “What is this doing [01:11:40.800] up here or [01:11:42.080] >> Well, I thought I maybe snuck it in when [01:11:43.760] I was a kid. You know, I didn’t do kids [01:11:45.600] stick things in their ears. I stuck [01:11:47.840] stings in my ears and my nose. So that’s [01:11:51.040] what I related it to. But now later when [01:11:54.320] they talk about implants, I think, well, [01:11:56.320] it still could have been something I put [01:11:57.840] in my nose when I was a kid or it could [01:12:00.159] have been an implant. I don’t know. [01:12:01.920] >> Did you ever do any sort of hypnotic [01:12:04.400] regression or see any sort of [01:12:05.760] psychiatrist? [01:12:07.360] >> I I kind of was hoping Lonnie would want [01:12:10.080] to do it, but she didn’t want to do it. [01:12:12.239] Did you ever think that there was some [01:12:15.199] sort of trickery involved and somebody [01:12:18.480] was messing with your mind? [01:12:20.880] >> Uh, [01:12:22.400] no. It was too too vivid, too real. [01:12:24.880] Nobody could do what was done to me. [01:12:27.280] Nobody could create that kind of terror. [01:12:29.120] Nobody could evoke that kind of love. I [01:12:31.679] mean, nobody could do that. That was [01:12:34.400] >> supernatural, you know. It was a I mean, [01:12:37.040] the terror Yeah. I was a rat trapped in [01:12:39.440] a box. You know that was but the love [01:12:42.080] nobody could could nobody could do that. [01:12:46.000] >> You mentioned Lonnie your friend who has [01:12:49.120] hypnotic regression experience. Uh so [01:12:52.000] you told her about this experience [01:12:53.520] right? [01:12:54.080] >> How many people have you told? How many [01:12:55.520] friends have you told? I told well [01:12:57.920] Lonnie was the wife of my best friend [01:12:59.679] and I told Mike my best friend [01:13:02.159] >> and uh consequently [01:13:04.960] uh he had mentioned something to Lonnie [01:13:06.960] that I gave her the whole story and then [01:13:10.080] uh I had told uh [01:13:14.159] uh couple of people that I kind of [01:13:17.360] trusted that they weren’t real close [01:13:19.199] friends but I had coffee with quite [01:13:20.880] often and and I knew pretty well. I [01:13:23.520] mean, we had pretty good large group of [01:13:26.239] guys that used to hang out in Starbucks [01:13:28.400] and drink coffee and BS at night. And uh [01:13:30.960] >> Did you ever tell anybody who was [01:13:32.560] stationed at the base with you at [01:13:34.239] Vandenberg? [01:13:35.120] >> No. No. Okay. I I I kept my, you know, [01:13:38.719] it was first of all, it was like if I [01:13:41.600] wanted to, I don’t think I could because [01:13:43.120] it was like I was told not to and not, [01:13:46.400] you know, the beings had conditioned me [01:13:48.239] or hypnotized me or something. I would [01:13:51.840] try to, but then it was it was don’t [01:13:54.560] don’t you know like [01:13:56.560] >> it was as if they still had some [01:13:58.239] lingering control over you. [01:13:59.840] >> Some control and you don’t say anything [01:14:01.840] just keep your mouth shut cuz I tried [01:14:04.080] several times I wanted to and I [01:14:06.560] couldn’t. [01:14:07.280] >> Did you know anything about UFOs at the [01:14:09.920] time prior to the experience? [01:14:11.199] >> Well, you know, everybody heard of [01:14:12.719] Barney Hill and and uh you know I had no [01:14:16.080] real extensive knowledge of it. It [01:14:17.840] wasn’t uh I mean probably some I’ve read [01:14:22.880] stories or but I didn’t focus on it or [01:14:25.360] dwell on it or or uh it wasn’t a big [01:14:28.640] deal to me, you know. [01:14:30.320] >> Do you think about what happened to you [01:14:32.000] now a lot and do you think about the [01:14:33.920] implications and meaning of what [01:14:35.760] happened [01:14:36.159] >> all the time? [01:14:37.679] >> And what conclusions have you drawn? [01:14:40.239] just what that that they’re out there [01:14:42.719] and they’re not going to let us go to [01:14:44.159] nuclear war, you know, and come hill or [01:14:46.159] high water and and uh and if they do [01:14:49.520] then uh it’s their game, not ours [01:14:52.560] anymore. You know, they’ll leave us [01:14:54.080] alone unless we uh I mean, this is the [01:14:57.520] sense I got that they would leave us [01:14:59.199] alone unless we screwed up. [01:15:02.080] >> What do you hope to achieve now by [01:15:03.920] relaying your story to me? Hopefully, [01:15:05.920] you know, hundreds of thousands of [01:15:07.360] people at least get to hear your [01:15:09.600] testimony. What do you hope they take [01:15:11.360] away from it? [01:15:13.120] >> Well, it’s just one more like I like [01:15:15.040] when I when I wrote uh Bob Salazar. I’m [01:15:19.040] not in this for anything. It’s just a [01:15:21.040] piece of data that might be interesting [01:15:23.120] to him uh or anybody else. And just [01:15:26.480] another piece to me is, you know, uh [01:15:28.400] Robert Hastings’s book’s got like 169 [01:15:31.520] accounts in it. you know, if he if he [01:15:34.320] updates it, I’m number 170. This uh [01:15:37.440] mine’s a little more unique cuz he only [01:15:39.520] has with me eight cases of of the third [01:15:43.760] kind. [01:15:44.159] >> Close encounters of the third kind. So, [01:15:45.679] actually experiencing beings themselves. [01:15:48.080] That’s right. Only eight of his, you [01:15:50.080] know, 167 some odd experiencers have had [01:15:54.080] those experiences where they see beings. [01:15:56.800] I do think though, it’s funny, I’ve had [01:15:58.640] this conversation with Bob Hastings in [01:16:00.239] the past where I say, “Did you did you [01:16:03.120] systematically ask all of the [01:16:04.960] whistleblowers who just seen crafts [01:16:07.360] whether they’ve seen beings themselves?” [01:16:09.760] And he said, “No.” And so if eight [01:16:12.159] people have volunteered that they’ve [01:16:14.800] seen beings, you have to think that [01:16:17.040] number is actually just much higher. [01:16:18.880] >> Yeah, I assume it is. I think I mean [01:16:21.600] there’s lots of people out there who [01:16:23.199] said they seen there’s always the issue [01:16:26.239] you know how I could tell this story and [01:16:30.239] there’s always going to be somebody’s [01:16:32.000] going to want to debunk it the first [01:16:33.440] thing they’re going to say and has been [01:16:36.080] said to me well you have no witnesses [01:16:38.800] you know you were out there by yourself [01:16:40.640] so did you make this story up or or [01:16:45.920] with uh George before George Nari you [01:16:48.719] had [01:16:50.480] Artbell. [01:16:51.120] >> Art Bell. Okay. There was somebody that [01:16:53.840] had I had called in uh an Art Bell and [01:17:00.640] uh I did get through and and uh [01:17:04.719] basically he said, “Well, he would uh [01:17:07.920] email me.” He bought my email address [01:17:09.760] and that he would email me. He says, [01:17:11.679] “But if I find out you’re screwing [01:17:14.320] around or lying,” he says, “I’m going to [01:17:16.159] make it very tough on you.” [01:17:17.760] >> Our bell said this. not Artbell, the guy [01:17:19.760] that he was interviewing. [01:17:21.120] >> Ah, [01:17:21.840] >> and so we had quite an exchange for a [01:17:24.880] while. I told him that, you know, pretty [01:17:26.800] much his story. [01:17:27.760] >> Who was this? [01:17:28.640] >> I don’t know. I tried to look back over [01:17:30.400] my emails and and I could only go back [01:17:32.800] so far. [01:17:33.440] >> Describe him. Maybe I could [01:17:35.440] >> uh he had written uh it wasn’t Bob [01:17:37.440] Hastings cuz I talked told Bob Hastings [01:17:40.640] about this and I didn’t know Bob [01:17:42.880] Hastings was one I had talked to when I [01:17:45.120] called George Dory [01:17:47.120] >> except he remembered that he [01:17:50.960] he didn’t remember my particular talk [01:17:53.840] but you know what I had said to him but [01:17:55.360] he was on George Nar being interviewed. [01:17:58.960] >> When was this interview with George Nory [01:18:00.560] that you called into? [01:18:02.159] >> Probably about [01:18:05.440] Oh, seven, eight years ago. [01:18:07.440] >> Okay. And so that’s live for everyone to [01:18:10.159] >> Yeah, that was the other one was live, [01:18:12.080] too. [01:18:12.640] >> So, and both are probably out there. So, [01:18:14.400] we could probably dig up the you [01:18:16.320] >> I would like and Bob Hastings would like [01:18:18.320] me to dig up the first one bill, [01:18:20.960] >> but all I could do is go back over the [01:18:23.840] >> my, [01:18:25.840] you know, by AOL and see, but they’re [01:18:27.920] all erased. Sure. I can only go back. [01:18:30.159] Well, describe the person who Art Bell [01:18:32.000] was interviewing and maybe I can help [01:18:33.120] you out. [01:18:33.360] >> He was he was very much like Bob Bob [01:18:35.520] Hastings. He had written a book. uh it [01:18:38.000] was more extensive than just UFO, you [01:18:41.360] know, UFOs and Dukes, but uh sounded [01:18:44.800] very credible and and uh the only thing [01:18:47.920] he said is, you know, we had had this [01:18:50.719] exchange through seven or eight emails. [01:18:53.360] And he said, well, he couldn’t he [01:18:55.440] couldn’t include me any further books [01:18:57.679] because he couldn’t collaborate it, [01:19:00.320] >> corroborate it. [01:19:01.360] >> Corroborate [01:19:02.159] >> because you didn’t have someone else [01:19:04.000] coming out who was witnessing the thing. [01:19:06.480] He said, “I believe you, but it just [01:19:08.719] it’s not something I could put in my [01:19:10.400] book because I want to yeah, [01:19:12.000] >> everything cooperate.” [01:19:13.120] >> Well, sounds like a decent researcher. [01:19:14.880] Was it was the name Lindamman by any [01:19:16.800] chance? [01:19:17.120] >> I could I can’t remember. [01:19:18.080] >> Or Oxler or Okay. [01:19:20.800] >> I can’t remember your name half the [01:19:22.560] time. I’m [01:19:24.239] >> No, you’re good. Um, well, I think you [01:19:26.880] know, stories at Vandenberg are so [01:19:28.560] compelling because not only like do you [01:19:31.199] have a story happening the same month [01:19:34.159] >> Yeah. that was corroborated by Floren’s [01:19:37.199] Mansman who is the major who is in [01:19:39.679] charge in supervising Bob Jacobs who’s a [01:19:41.920] photo instrumentation specialist. So you [01:19:43.760] do have a witness there [01:19:45.600] >> but that happened the same month and [01:19:47.679] then you also have other stories at [01:19:49.280] Vandenberg. Do you know who Jeff Natelli [01:19:51.360] is by any chance? He’s an interesting [01:19:53.360] witness and he and some colleagues I [01:19:55.040] believe in the early 2000s uh [01:19:57.120] experienced you know this UFO [01:19:59.040] >> between 2003 and 2005. Five UAP [01:20:02.960] incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air [01:20:04.640] Force Base. The incursions began on [01:20:07.199] October 14th, 2003 when Boeing [01:20:10.480] contractors reported a massive glowing [01:20:12.640] red square silently hovering over two [01:20:15.199] missile defense sites. After several [01:20:17.760] minutes, it drifted further east onto [01:20:19.840] the base and vanished over the hills. [01:20:22.560] This event, now known as the Vandenberg [01:20:24.560] Red Square, was referenced by [01:20:26.640] Representative Luna at the first hearing [01:20:28.800] on this topic. Official Air Force [01:20:31.760] records of this event are in possession [01:20:34.640] by Arrow and the FBI. [01:20:38.080] Later that night, while I was on duty, [01:20:41.199] security guards at a critical launch [01:20:42.960] site reported a bright, fastm moving [01:20:45.280] object over the ocean. I responded to [01:20:48.000] the incident. Chaos ensued over the [01:20:50.960] radio as the object approached rapidly. [01:20:53.600] I heard my friends screaming, “It’s [01:20:55.520] coming right at us. It’s coming right [01:20:57.520] for us. And now it’s right here. [01:21:01.040] Moments later, I heard them say that it [01:21:02.800] had shot off and was gone. When I [01:21:05.520] arrived on scene, I talked to five [01:21:07.840] shaken witnesses who described a massive [01:21:10.560] triangular craft larger than a football [01:21:13.120] field that hovered silently for about 45 [01:21:15.920] seconds over their entry control point [01:21:18.400] before shooting away at impossible [01:21:20.400] speed. [01:21:20.960] >> So, Vandenberg is definitely a hot spot. [01:21:22.960] It’s one of these places like Malmstrom [01:21:25.760] uh you know base in Montana where [01:21:28.000] throughout the years you have recurring [01:21:30.800] patterns of UFO sightings. So [01:21:33.280] >> right [01:21:33.600] >> I do think there is some sort of [01:21:35.280] intimate connection there. [01:21:36.960] >> Oh yeah. I think this is an ongoing [01:21:38.800] thing. I think is going on right now. [01:21:40.719] And then and I think what my impression [01:21:44.080] was that they’re not going to, you know, [01:21:48.080] they’re going to be ready to intervene [01:21:50.480] should we go, you know, let those [01:21:52.239] missiles loose. But until then, they’re [01:21:54.880] going to stay in the background. [01:21:56.000] Although, I’m not sure they’re always in [01:21:57.520] the background because there’s a lot [01:21:58.880] going on now that makes me wonder if [01:22:01.760] they’re orchestrating a lot of this [01:22:04.159] steps towards this disclosure. M you [01:22:07.040] think the beings themselves might be [01:22:08.639] orchestrating disclosure? [01:22:10.000] >> Yeah, that’s that’s speculation. I don’t [01:22:12.560] know. [01:22:13.360] >> Well, Richard, thank you so much for [01:22:15.520] doing this. I really appreciate it. [01:22:17.199] >> You’re welcome. [01:22:17.840] >> And uh yeah, appreciate your courage and [01:22:20.320] uh and and all the incredible detail and [01:22:22.560] I and I hope that this again allows [01:22:24.800] other people to come forward as So too [01:22:26.960] because I I [01:22:29.600] if nothing else does get some people [01:22:31.360] prepared to this ultimate disclosure so [01:22:34.400] that they’re think about it. They’re [01:22:36.239] ready for it when it comes. And uh I [01:22:39.040] think there’s enough evidence out there, [01:22:41.199] overwhelming evidence. And I think again [01:22:43.520] we go back to nukes and or UFO nukes [01:22:46.480] that well researched evidence in one [01:22:50.000] source. And there’s thousands of sources [01:22:53.760] out there. I’m I’m trying to think of uh [01:22:57.520] Project Blue Book. Who was the who was [01:22:59.280] the doctor? Uh [01:23:00.719] >> Jay Alen Heinik. [01:23:01.840] >> Yeah. Yeah. He came to took the evidence [01:23:04.639] and he a very brilliant man. [01:23:06.639] >> Yeah. No. No. Nobody who spends [01:23:10.719] more than three days on the UFO topic [01:23:13.760] comes to the conclusion that it’s fake [01:23:16.239] other than people associated with our [01:23:19.120] nuclear programs or the DOE or the [01:23:21.440] Atomic Energy Commission. So you know or [01:23:24.000] the you know NDRC or you know precursors [01:23:26.480] to you know our atomic programs. So you [01:23:28.800] have Don Menzel who’s you know this kind [01:23:30.880] of deep state spook you know friends [01:23:32.639] with Vanavar Bush held all the [01:23:34.320] clearances in the book. He he he you [01:23:36.560] know ran Bureau of Statistics for the [01:23:38.880] US. He was dogmatically opposed to UFOs. [01:23:42.800] Uh you have Jaylen Heinik who was [01:23:44.480] opposed but then you know later [01:23:46.480] retracted all of that stuff and kind of [01:23:48.080] repented for the fact that he was [01:23:49.520] opposed. Um you have a couple other [01:23:52.639] people in official positions. a guy, you [01:23:54.239] know, Edward Condan, who wrote the [01:23:56.320] first, uh, you know, textbook on quantum [01:23:58.800] mechanics in the English language. You [01:24:00.960] know, people don’t realize he was [01:24:02.239] appointed supposedly appointed by the, [01:24:04.719] you know, Project Blue Book on this [01:24:06.639] independent commission, [01:24:08.960] you know, in Colorado, um, and it was [01:24:11.600] supposed to, yeah, the Condan report. [01:24:13.120] And it was supposed to go through all [01:24:14.719] these UFO cases and and basically be an [01:24:17.679] independent check against Blue Book’s [01:24:19.440] findings. And then you find out that he [01:24:21.840] was, you know, very close friends with [01:24:24.000] Oenheimer going back to, you know, their [01:24:26.080] studies at Gotten in Germany in the 20s. [01:24:28.320] And he wrote the Los Alamos primer, [01:24:30.400] helped pick Los Alamos as the site for [01:24:32.400] the Manhattan Project. The Los Alamos [01:24:34.639] Primer was something that all employees [01:24:36.480] had to read upon joining the Manhattan [01:24:39.120] Project and wrote the McMahon Secrecy [01:24:41.679] Act, which is in 1946 basic basically [01:24:44.320] the precursor to the Atomic Energy Act [01:24:46.639] in 1954 and which is kind of this clo [01:24:50.639] and dagger way to overlay uh you know [01:24:53.920] atomic secrecy uh uh with UFO secrecy. [01:24:57.600] So basically, you spend a few days on [01:25:00.159] this, you’re you become open-minded or [01:25:02.719] you’re dogmatically opposed because [01:25:04.639] you’re like some sort of operationalized [01:25:07.360] asset against the thing. [laughter] [01:25:09.199] >> You’re protecting your own uh [01:25:11.280] >> Exactly. And maybe, you know, maybe [01:25:13.199] there are a few contemporary examples [01:25:14.560] where I don’t want to say they’re full [01:25:16.080] bad faith actors, but you know, it’s [01:25:18.239] probably easy to impugn a lot of their [01:25:20.880] motives as well. But anyways, you know, [01:25:22.719] even though the the the latest TE head [01:25:24.159] of Arrow, you know, our official, you [01:25:25.920] know, again, modern investigation [01:25:27.520] program, which is similar to Blue Book, [01:25:28.880] it’s probably just this fake hit job on [01:25:31.040] UFOs, is a guy named Sean Kirkpatre, [01:25:33.280] who, you know, has long ties with the [01:25:35.920] DOE, worked at Oakidge, uh, you know, [01:25:38.880] got this award from Brook Haven when he [01:25:40.800] was, you know, a teenager, and, you [01:25:43.280] know, has has all sorts of, you know, [01:25:45.520] um, [01:25:47.199] monetary incentives to say this stuff is [01:25:49.360] fake. So, anyways, Richard, I really [01:25:52.000] appreciate you and um this was a lot of [01:25:54.480] fun and I and I hope hopefully it uh it [01:25:57.120] shakes the world up.