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Stephen Bassett — Kristian Harloff interview (2024)

• Speaker: Stephen Bassett, founder/executive director of Paradigm Research Group (PRG); interviewed by Kristian Harloff. ~1h37m.
• YouTube: https://youtu.be/nnuiWe-dEG8
• Captured: 2026-05-29 via yt-dlp audio download → Whisper (speech_to_text_remote.py).
• Primary for bassett-disclosure-lobbyist. His own account: the John Mack/PEER origin; registering as the first UFO lobbyist (1996) as a media tactic (“I lobbied the media”); the “it’s not about science, we proved it” premise; and the “truth embargo” frame.
• NOTE: Whisper auto-transcript; verify quotes against audio before load-bearing citation.

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Thank you for private internet access for sponsoring this episode. What’s going on, everybody? Welcome back to The Big Thing. It is UAP Tuesday. Thanks for joining us. I know you’re seeing things a little different here today. I’ll get to that in a moment. This is a massive show. It’s a big show. I was excited for this show for the, I can’t even tell you. The second that this gentleman reached out to me and I was able to secure this interview, I knew it was going to be special. And then, guess what else happens? Today, Gary Nolan drops all these videos from the Soul Foundation and all this stuff. What does it mean? What’s going to happen? Disclosure, disclosure, disclosure. We’ve been talking about it. Is it going to happen? When’s it going to happen? When are the news networks, the major news networks, when are they going to start actually covering it? This and more. We’ve got so much. There’s a new report that says that now Sean Kirkpatrick, he’s going, oh, you know what? They weren’t letting me. They weren’t letting me talk. Is that true? Is that not true? There’s so much we’re going to talk about here today because we have the one and only Steve Bassett from Paradigm. He is going to be talking with us today, and I can’t wait. So as always, if you’re brand new to the channel, you’ve never been here before, hit that button. Subscribe to the channel. We are trying to get to 200,000 faster than we got to 100, but we need you guys. You guys got to be part of the conversation. Every week, people are saying, oh, I like where you guys are coming from this, this point of view, and we want to be part of it. Hit that button. Every week, tell more people about it. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, let’s get the conversation continued. Myself and Mark Reilly, Steve Bassett in studio, ladies and gentlemen. Let’s get to it. All right, everybody. Thank you, and welcome back to The Big Thing. Mark, how pumped are you right now? I’m really pumped. I’m very excited. I wanted you to finish your intro so we could just get right to it. I know. Same, same. All right, so let me get to it. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the executive director of Paradigm, and he is also a disclosure advocate just like the rest of us, and he is going to be talking with us today. He’s going to be talking with us today. He’s a disclosure advocate just like the rest of us, and he is the first UAP lobbyist in Washington. He is the one and only Steve Bassett. Steve, how are you? It’s great to be with you. It’s been an interesting 28 years. I was sitting up in Boston at the offices of the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research, which was set up by John Mack as he tried to research the contact phenomena in the early 1990s. Just an amazing man, Pulitzer Prize winner, brave, way ahead of his time. They held a symposium at MIT, brought in researchers and contactees. This is early 90s, and so naturally, the Harvard University went after him. I feel class went after him, and he had a rough time, but he is a legend. And I got the pleasure of the honor of being able to volunteer for about four months, and that’s how I started in the field. Great door to go through. But not my lane, and it was up there in an office in June of 1996 when I realized, OK, what am I going to do? I’m not going to be able to be on staff here. And I realized, wait a minute, I know Washington backward and forward. My family’s lived in the metro Washington area since 1920. Been in and out of there forever, worked there, whatever. And I know politics. And I thought, you know, this issue, it’s not about science. We proved it. It’s been proven umpteen times. So if it’s been proven, then why haven’t we moved on? It’s a political decision. It was a national security political decision that they have kept going all these years for whatever reason. That’s OK. And therefore, if you want to get this issue resolved, you’ve got to have a political solution, all right? So what can I do? And I’m sitting there, and I’m going, I don’t think anybody’s ever registered a lobbyist on this issue. I know what lobbying, right? They’ve got lobbyists crawling all over the place in DC. They make big money. They’re representing everything, oil industry, high tech, Saudi Arabia, whatever the hell, right? And I’m going, but I’m pretty sure nobody’s. Why? Because first of all, nobody’s going to pay you. And then you’re going to get a lot of crap. And if you want to go up in the hill, nobody’s going to talk to you. So I’m thinking, of course. So I’ll be the first. And so I was rushing so fast to get down there because I was so afraid that somebody was going to beat me to it, right? And I remember packing all my stuff up on top of an RX-7. And it’s not a big car, but I had bike racks on it because I was a triathlete kind of guy. And so I put boards over the bike rack. And then I took all the boxes, and I stacked them up in a pyramid, the Pyramid of Giza, strapped it down. And I’m driving down there. Huge rainstorm hit the East Coast. I’m driving through a massive rainstorm from Boston down to Washington. And because I’m afraid I’m going to kill somebody, I’m doing like 30 miles an hour over on the right side in the rain. I’d go through one of those, you have to go about four or five, six toll booths. And I’d pull into the toll booth, and the guy is looking at me like, what in the hell? I give him a buck, and I continue. And I tip this all the way down to Washington. I get into DC. I go to one of the family homes there where I’m going to stay for free. I drive up, giant pyramid on top of my car. I walk in, and I have a very elderly aunt, very elderly, worked her whole life for the phone company, curmudgeon, takes no crap off of anybody. You know what I’m talking about? Super tough. I walk in, she’s looking at me. She knew I was coming. Sit down across from her in the corner. And I looked at her, and she looked at me, and she said, how much money have you got? And I went in my pocket, had 18 cents. Oh my God. Because I mean, I had spent all my money. I was a volunteer, right? So I spent it all. Had 18 cents in the gas in the car. And she looks at me, and she says, I knew it. And I told her, hey, I’m just going to be here for a while until I get set up. I was there for five years, okay? And so I registered as a lobbyist right away. And I was the first. Thank God I didn’t kill myself coming down from Boston, right? And I remained the first for the next 20 years, 25 years. Right? So what was the strategy? It was simple. I knew that the Post, my paper, though it’s disappointed me many times, they track every lobbying registration, potential news there all the time. So some big firm suddenly registers for some foreign country and you’re going, we got to find out about that. And so I know they’re checking them, they’re coming through, coming through. Boom. This guy’s registered on the issue of an extraterrestrial presence and the suppression of ET technology from the American people. That’s interesting. And so they sent a reporter out to my office in Bethesda, gave me a big interview, big photo, terrible photo I have. I don’t bring it out a lot. That’s one of my worst photos. But I’m holding up the big symposium, the big book, the record of the MIT symposium on Contact D that John Mack put on at MIT. Big thing, you know? And I got this huge article in the front page of the business section. I mean, this is primitive PR. It’s probably the best PR thing I ever did. I’ve never really matched it. And so suddenly I’m a thing, right? I’ve got this article and I’m a thing, not to the general world, but to the UAP community. It gave me credentials. And from that point on, I was able to launch what amounts to an act. I didn’t do a lot of lobbying, at least not in the traditional sense, but I did, well, I lobbied the media, right? And I put the issue out to try to get the media involved. And of course I engaged the UAP community and that got me started. That was 1996. It has just gone in such a, as you can attest to, in such a, I wouldn’t say super mainstream yet, more mainstream obviously in the last year than it probably has been at all because of the coverage of the hearings and the coverage of what just happened, what was it, a month ago when the first caucus, right? So that is monumental. But the thing that I do want to start with is that something I’ve heard you talk about before, and I definitely want to talk about it again, is that when you, as you and I and Riley were talking outside and I gave you kind of the backstory of this podcast and how it came to be, and that we were essentially, like many other people, just finding out about a lot of this stuff. Because when you talk to people, and I don’t even know, I should have asked our engineer here today how much they know about the hearings, how much they know about the caucus, how much they know about the fact that the speaker, I’m sorry, the Senate Majority Leader is up, Schumer and Rounds are up there talking and it’s not being reported on by the MSNBCs, the Fox Newses in the mainstream. I’m gonna have to stop you there. Please. That is actually a misunderstanding. Okay. And I’m gonna tell you something very important. Yeah. Okay. One of the, basically, you know what drives me? I’m not an overachiever, and I’m lazy. I mean, this is why I didn’t really find my career until I was like 49. Okay. Okay, so how did I succeed, right? I have a trait which has served me well. Okay. OCD. Oh, yeah. I had some bouts of OCD back in my younger life. Not fun, not comfortable. Yeah. Okay. So, but if you can take obsessive compulsiveness and put it to good use, it can be valuable. And so I’ve done some things that require real obsessive compulsive approach, right? And one of my, I think, most important projects is this. In 2006, I started creating a print media archive because of the internet. Right. And while there’s been articles written about this subject going all the way back to 1947, believe me, lots of them, all right? But again, back then, there’s an article, it goes in a paper, that goes in a birdcage or out in the trash, and it’s gone, it moves on. There’s three channels with 15 minutes of news, black and white, no internet, none of this stuff. And so all those articles didn’t have much impact. But then as you start to move into the age of the internet, which starts in about the time I entered the field in 96, good timing, so by 2006, I realized a huge number of these articles are online. And so I started going online and finding these articles and creating a print media archive that went back to 47. Now, as I go back, the number of articles I could find were limited, right? But still, got some. But starting in 2006 forward, I’m just picking mainstream articles. I’m not picking paranormal press. Right. I’m going with stuff that’s relatively substantive. I’m not doing too much, I guess you could say, there’s not a major bias there. I’m also putting up debunking articles if they’re legit. Sure. Started that in 2006. It’s on my website, paradigmresearchgroup.org. Under resources, scroll down to print media archive, punch through the flash page, and what you see there is the largest compilation of media on the subject in the world because of my OCD. That’s great. 15,000 articles. And that, and in the last couple of years, they’ve peaked. Last year was the largest number that I archived, which I know reflects the fact that the number of articles last year was the largest in history. And understand, this is just English language press, which includes the United States, Canada, UK, India, and elsewhere. All the foreign media coverage, I cannot archive. Equally as large, maybe larger. So last year, almost 1,900 mainstream articles on this subject linked there. And then whatever else in the foreign press. And then, and I curate more than ever now. In the early days, there wasn’t so many, and so I’m putting everything up by sea. But now, there’s so much fluff and small stuff and little venues that I have to curate. So that’s 1,900 articles curated out of maybe 4,000. The year before that, I think it was 1,600. This year, it’s gonna hit 2,000. Why am I going on here? Because what people don’t realize is that there has been enormous media coverage of this issue. And obviously, people gotta lead a life, right? Even with the internet. What, are you gonna get up in the morning and you’re gonna check out eight newspapers online? No. And so they tend to get their news pretty much from television. Well, television has not covered this issue nearly as much as print media, all right? And so my job was to let, hey, it has covered it. And if you got a few days, go read about 1,000 articles and you’ll realize, wait a minute, it’s all being covered. They’re actually putting it out there. Just not where the people are getting it. Here is the difference. And here is the key difference that I’ve mentioned many times. And this is where the media basically went along with the truth embargo. You could say they laid down for the government. You could say that whatever, they sold out. I don’t think so. This is the deal that they made with the government, explicit or implicit. We’re gonna write thousands of articles. If something happens, we’re gonna cover it. Somebody sees something, we’re gonna cover it. We’ve got a conference, gonna cover it. You say something, the government says, we’re gonna cover it. But what we’re not going to do is send out a Woodward and Bernstein to go through the Defense Department’s trash cans or start looking for people that’ll talk to them on the backside to create an investigative story and blow the lid on this. They have never done that. That was the deal. And that, of course, is one of the reasons the truth embargo has survived. But if you look at the media coverage and you go, you know, you pretty much told us what’s going on here. And of course, they’ve gotten more and more aggressive in the last two years. So I wanna make that point. And the point is absolutely noted. But what, and you can see it when you, as far as print and all that, you can see it. There’s no doubt about it. What I’m more so alluding to is the fact that like when I bring up my wife as an example who gets her news from after the kids go to bed, she turns on the TV and she looks. Normally, the lead stories, especially during the hearings and the fact, print-wise, a lot of people covered the Schumer and the round stuff. It was nowhere to be found on mainstream television. Well, it depends on what you define as mainstream. Okay, so let’s say- Do you consider Fox and News Nation mainstream or are they second tier? News Nation did cover the hell out of it. Tons of it. But the stuff that I’m seeing as far as, News Nation is up and coming and they’re doing great work over there, especially on the topic. There’s no doubt about it. But I’m talking about like, even like something like Lester Holt, right? And when you turn that on and the news stories are either Hunter Biden, Trump, a cat stuck in a tree, something else too. And the fact that they’re not even covering the Senate majority leader, whether you believe them or not, even if it’s a reporter saying, what’s this guy doing? They didn’t even touch on that. That’s the stuff that I go, what’s happening? Let me help, let me help. Okay, because I do, I’m scanning and doing search terms on all the media coverage. I get stuff for ABC, NBC, CBS News. Oh yeah, they’ll do a thing. And if they do an interview or something, that gets picked up on it and I’ll put an interview up, even though it’s interview, not print, I put that up. And so if you go to the print media archive and the way I set it up is it’s a page per year. So you could put, you could do a search term, ABC News and you just start clicking. It’ll take you down and show you every ABC News article or NBC or CBS. And if you do that, you start to realize, hey, they’ve been covering it, right? They’re doing something about it. But what they’re not doing is giving it the status that theoretically it deserves. And this is the compromise that the news networks did. In other words, the big three, which obviously go all the way back to Roswell. I mean, I think they were in place at that point. Basically the deal, and again, explicit or implicit doesn’t matter. They may not have sit down. They may not have even communicated. It was like, this is why I know we got to do this. But a couple of phone calls back in the forties and fifties and it’s like, okay, no, we get it, we get it. Here’s the deal. Look, national security. You guys are the three big networks. When you do something, things happen. When Walter Cronkite gave that speech on his news show, CBS News, and basically said, the Vietnam War is a catastrophe. A lot of people in Washington knew it’s over right then. They had that kind of power. And so ABC, NBC and CBS basically sort of agreed in one way or another that like, okay, we’re not going to do this on this issue. We will cover it from time to time. And I’ll tell you, as you go back in time, the amount of coverage you get on those channels, it just evaporates. So yeah, it’s coming on now, but even now, they’re not prepared to give it the exposure it should have. And that’s what you’re picking up on. And that is a compromise. And why is this important? Because one of the questions that is worth asking, and I wanted so hard to do a documentary on this, gave it a shot, pandemic came out, boom, right? And then we started again, this wider strike came out, boom. It’s a tough business, this town, you know? So it’s okay, other people will do it. But I wanted to do the definitive document on the truth embargo, which is a term I came up with in the early aughts, okay, it was like 2000. And I came up with that term for a specific reason. UFO coverup was the term used for decades. And it’s problematic. One thing about activism is your language has got to be good. If you get bad language, it screws up everything, okay? And there’s examples of this throughout history. And this was bad language, why? Because the UFO coverup basically said, whether you picked it up right away or not, is that the whole policy of the government to sort of keep this national security closed is illegal. They’re all criminals. This was a crime being conducted since 1947. And everybody that’s attached to this, whatever, all criminals. Well, it wasn’t illegal. It was completely legal under the 47 National Security Act. And it remained illegal on the basis of, legal on the basis of national security. Not that they didn’t do the odd illegal thing, but people understand that. And so the people in this program are not criminals. So if you wanna criminalize everybody inside that’s involved with this issue, you’re not gonna make any friends. You’re not gonna, they’re not gonna be, you know, saying things behind the scenes, you know, kind of trying to be positive about it. And so I said, no, it isn’t a coverup. It is an embargo, exactly like Cuba. They embargoed Cuba for their reasons in 63 after the crisis. And was it legal? Of course it was legal, but you couldn’t go there. And if you went there, there would be consequences. So it’s like that. It was an embargo, except they didn’t admit that there was a Cuba. They basically were not acknowledging, but they said, whatever it is not down there, you can’t go there. It’s kind of weird, but that’s what they did. And so it was an embargo. And I said, let’s call it a truth embargo. And that is the term that’s being used today. All right. And then the question is, how did 76 years, the US government, maintain a truth embargo on something that was being seen all the time overhead, investigated to death by the citizens, research, books, sightings, book, every, how did they manage it? Well, the documentary, if I ever get a chance to do it, will explain that and the key pillars upon which that truth embargo rests. One of which was, of course, the media, the print media’s decision, we will cover it, but we will not investigate it. And the other was the major news entities decision that we will not force the issue. We’re gonna stand back. And there are other pillars, but there were two of the biggest. And I also feel like, and you’ve answered my question, because I’m always, and we’re always talking about, why did we feel like the mainstream media isn’t covering it, but you’ve just corrected it and what it is. I feel like it’s the better question is, why is it not sinking into the 99% of people out there that have no idea this is going on? Well, because, first of all, things happen and even big things happen, believe me. I mean, South America could sink into the ocean, right? You know, one of those unfortunate events and it’ll be big news. And two months later, you’d be going up to people in the street and they’re going, what? I didn’t know, right? I mean, we assume, no, no, no, no. And it’s getting harder all the time. You wanna raise a kid, buy a house, make a living? Well, the kid’s gonna cost 40,000 a year to go to college. The houses are now beyond your reach. And so people, they have to focus on living. And back in the 50s, when there wasn’t as much media, people had a lot more free time and they could actually pay attention to stuff. Now that we’ve got the media, they haven’t got the time. And so we have to keep that in mind. That’s why you need activists and you need expanding media, like what I call the podcast revolution, to reach more and more people easily so that they can keep up to the extent possible with all the crap going on in the world. Yeah, but I also feel that our culture has taken UAP, UFO, whatever you wanna call it, and kind of made it like a fantasy. Like I always liken it to, you might as well say I saw a dragon fighting a wizard. It’s our pop culture is making E.T. the extraterrestrial, War of the Worlds, all the movies. So then when we say, hey, we saw something in the sky and they go, are you serious? It’s a balloon. It’s a balloon. What is this, E.T., is this Spielberg directing? What are we talking here? I’m here to help. Yeah, please, thank you. Okay, we talked about two pillars of the truth embargo. Let’s talk about the third. And of course, it’s a big one. The government’s heavily funded, very serious campaign to create propaganda, disinformation, misinformation, and to interfere with the process of discovery of this issue, okay? Mr. Lockheed Martin. And they got a lot of money, the government. They got supercomputers. They probably had AI way before we got to see it. Right. And they also have nuclear weapons. And so it’s like, you know, what are you gonna do? And so that is a huge thing. They committed to this, all right? And so that has played a very significant role in maintaining the truth embargo. Now, let’s talk about another pillar. Now, this is a smaller one, but it’s non-trivial. The film industry, which we refer to as Hollywood, but that means everything, okay? Sure. But Hollywood is the symbol for the film industry and even the total entertainment industry in the world, okay, Hollywood. Again, it’s one of those implicit or implicit understandings. I don’t know if guys in the Pentagon were calling up producers in Hollywood back in the 50s and 60s and saying, hey, here’s the deal, right? Now, make your movies, get rich, but like, don’t go there, right? Now, and people say, well, are you sure about that? Check out a guy named Chase Brandon. I’m pretty sure the name is Chase Brandon. It’s close, but he was the CIA’s liaison with Hollywood and he came out a while back with some interesting stuff and had to pull back very quickly. Okay, I’m looking at that. Okay, check out that. And then there’s an incident. I don’t think it’s apocryphal, I think it’s real. I’m pretty sure this is true. Independence Day, the first Independence Day film, fantastic. Independence Day, Resurgence, I’m so sorry. Not a good movie. I’m hoping Independence 3 makes up for Independence 2. I think Resurgence took care of Independence 3. Well, it’s coming. Independence Day 3 is coming. Of course, I like, you know, anyway, the point is, is that it’s a fantastic movie, all right? It’s practically a PR film for the military, right? I mean, a lot of people, guys watch that film, they signed up right away. And so they’re making this film, need huge cooperation from, you know, the armed services and all this stuff. And they get it, right? Films have been getting that for years because, you know, standpoint of the military services, it’s like a wonderful promo for them. It’s a promo for national security and all this stuff. And so they cooperate. And that’s why you get these aircraft carriers and whatever the hell. And so they got the deal, they’re working on a movie. And at some point, somebody at the Pentagon read the script, you know, and they happened to notice that about halfway through the movie, they’re talking about Area 51 and the fact that the Roswell craft was there. They got in touch with the producers of that film and said, you keep that in and you get no more cooperation from us. You’re going to have to come up with your F-16 somewhere else. And the producers of that film said, screw you, fine. We’re putting it in. Not only did they do that. And one of the things, if I could ever get in front of the producers of that film, who I should know their names, I’m so sorry. Okay. If I could get in front of him, this is a question I would ask him. Oh God, I would love to. Look, that scene on Air Force One, when they’re fleeing, right? And they’re on their way and they decide they’re going to go to Area 51. And there’s this scene where the president, right? And the lead protagonist character, all they’re standing around and the father who’s played by, you remember that? Bill Pullman. Yeah, but no, no, no, no. The father of- Oh, Judd Hirsch. Yeah, Judd Hirsch, Judd Hirsch. I love Judd Hirsch. So he’s kind of the wild, crazy guy. And he kind of says, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s where they have the Roswell craft, you know? And everything else. And then the secretary, I think defense says, no, no. And Pullman, the president says, no, no, no, no. You don’t understand, Judd. That’s all myth and everything else. And as they turn to go, the secretary of defense says, that’s exactly accurate. And my question to Emmerich would be, was that already in the script? Or did you put that in after they told you to go pound sand if you add that, okay? And so the film industry made this decision. We’re not going to go there, all right? Okay, and so, and I did this research on this, okay? My numbers, but they’re close. Since 1951, when the first real sci-fi film came out, I mean, forget the Flash Gordon stuff and everything. I’m talking about real film. They’ve done about 600 films with ETs in it, of every type you could imagine. A lot of them are well-known, a lot are less known. About 600 films. I did the box office analysis, did the conversion, to modern dollars, factored in TV rights, advertising, stuff like that. And also the television, right? I estimate that the film industry, since 1951, in modern dollars has made, including product sales, upwards to $200billiononfilmsthathaveETsinthem.Highestgrossinggenreinalloffilm,okay?Interestinglyenough,Ido{n}^{\prime }tknowifyo{u}^{\prime }veheardofit,interestinglyenoughthough,withtheexceptionofawayback,adocumentarythatwasfocusingonVanVanekenandhisthinkingabouttheancienttimes,itwasonefilm,tha{t}^{\prime }sit.Otherthanthat,notasingledocumentaryontheETissuehasevergottenbigscreendistribution.Andoneofourguysrentingacoupleofstudiosdoesnotcount.Andwhydoyouthinkthatis?Imean,thetentpolealienmovies,the{y}^{\prime }rebringinginabillionfive,billionnine,andthedocwouldcostaboutfivemillion,theinterestishigh,whynot?Because,andyouknow,Icouldbewrongaboutthis,ifsomebigshotinthistownwantstotakemeasideandsays,Steve,yougotitwrong,her{e}^{\prime }swhy.YouputadocumentarylikewhatJamesFoxdoes.AMomentofTruth.Youtake,oroneofhisearlyones,whatwasit?OhGod,Ica{n}^{\prime }tremember.Ohshit,Ica{n}^{\prime }trememberoneofhisearlydocs,i{t}^{\prime }ssoimportant,itwasagreatshow.Anyway,youtakeoneofthosereallygooddocsandyoustickthatuponagiantscreenandputitin2,000theaters,thatgivesitagravitas,apower,right,tha{t}^{\prime }sgonnareallymotivatepeople.Ofcourse.Allright,thanksfortuningin,guys,Iappreciateit.AndbeforewecontinueonwiththeinterviewwithSteveBassett,wh{o}^{\prime }sjustphenomenal,Idowannatellyouguysabouttwoofourwonderfulsponsors,ithelpskeeptheshowgoing.I{t}^{\prime }sbecauseofthesponsorsthatw{e}^{\prime }reabletodotheshowweekinandweekout.Sofirst,letmetellyouguysbothaboutMagicSpoonandFume.Hereyougo.I^{\prime }msoexcitedtohaveMagicSpoonback.Soyouguyshavesaidit,yousaidittomelately.Yougo,hey,youlostsomeweight,man.Yo{u}^{\prime }relookinggood.I^{\prime }vebeentrying.MyNewYea{r}^{\prime }sresolutionwastocutbackonsugar,addproteintomydiet,andIstayontrackwithmyfitnessgoals.SoIwasexcitedtogetMagicSpoonbackontherotation.Makesiteasy,andi{t}^{\prime }smoredeliciousthanevernow.Growingup,Ilovecereal.Andnotevenjustgrowingup.Recently,I^{\prime }vefireddownsugarycerealforasnack.Buttheproblemis,whenyougetolder,yougottawatchoutforthoseemptycarbsbecausetheyaddup.MagicSpoonhastheamazingflavorsthatyoulove,buti{t}^{\prime }sgothighproteinandi{t}^{\prime }sgotlesssugar.Soforme,Ididtheproteinshakesforabit,butIwantedadeliciouswaytogetmyproteinbeforeandafterworkouts,andi{t}^{\prime }sgoodforasnack.VarietyPack,theyhavecocoa,theyhavefruity,theyhavefrosted,theyhavepeanutbutter.Imixthepeanutbutterandthecocoa,personally.Thispackhaszerogramsofsugar,13to14gramsofprotein,andaboutfourtofivegramsofnetcarbs.I{t}^{\prime }sonly140caloriesperserving.Highproteinandzerogramsofsugar.I{t}^{\prime }samazing.Soifyougotomagicspoon.comslashbigthing,youcangrabaVarietyPackandyoucantryittoday.Sobesuretouseourpromocode,bigthing,atcheckouttosave$5 on your order. 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}sextremelyfuntofidgetwith.Anditreally,lookatthewooditself.I{t}^{\prime }sgreat.Youcanstarttheyearoffrightwithagoodhabitbygoingtotryfume.comslashbigthingandgettingthejourneypacktoday.Fumeisgivinglistenerstotheshow10becausei{t}^{\prime }s,yougetit.Insteadofbad,fumeisgood.I{t}^{\prime }sahabitthatyo{u}^{\prime }refreetoenjoy,anditmakesreplacingyourbadhabiteasy.Itcomeswithadjustableairflowdial,andi{t}^{\prime }sdesignedwithmovableparts.I{t}^{\prime }sgreat.Theyuseflavoredairinsteadofvapor.Fumeiscompletely,completelynatural,bytheway,insteadofelectronics.Andther{e}^{\prime }sno,thisisthereasonwhyIdecided,peoplearelike,whoa,whywouldyougetinvolvedwithsomethinglikethis?Why?Becausetheydo{n}^{\prime }tuseharmfulchemicals.Theyusedeliciousflavors,andtha{t}^{\prime }swhyIgotinvolved.Fumeworks.The{y}^{\prime }regreat.SothankyouagaintoFumeforsponsoringtheshow.Allright,thankyoutoourfriendsoveratFumeandMagicSpoon.Ireallydolovebothofthem.I^{\prime }mexcited.Ihopethatyouguyslovethemaswell.Allright,now,Iknowyouwanttohearit.Le{t}^{\prime }sgetbacktoSteve.Ofcourse.Well,tha{t}^{\prime }swhatIwastellingyoubeforehand.WhenIstarteddoingmoreandlearningmoreaboutthisstuff,and{I}^{\prime }dwatchtheUFOs,theInvestigatingtheUnknown,whichcoveredtheNewYorkTimesarticle,LeslieCainandallthat,andJamesFoxwasinthere,butthenIstartedwatchingJamesFo{x}^{\prime }sdocumentaries,andIwatchedTheMomentofTruth,andIsaid,thefactthatIhadneverheardofthisuntilIgotinvolvedinthiscommunity,becauseonceyougetinvolvedinthecommunity,youstarthearingabouteverything.Youstartlearningaboutpeoplelikeyourself,andyoustarthearingthesenames,buttha{t}^{\prime }swhereIwasgoingwiththemainstreamstuffofitisthatmorepeople,becausetheideaofitisthatif,andthisiswhereIultimatelywantthisconversationtogowithDisclosureandwherei{t}^{\prime }scoming,andwiththeSoulFoundation,andallthesedifferentthings,ifitturnsoutthatwhateverthehellisinthesky,whatDavidGrus{h}^{\prime }sclaimsare,thefactthattheyarenon-human,allthisstuff,i{t}^{\prime }sthebiggeststoryintheworldeverforhumanhistory.I{t}^{\prime }sbeenthebiggeststoryintheworldsincethe50s.47,right?Yeah,Imean,i{t}^{\prime }salwaysbeenabigstoryintheworld.Butwhat{I}^{\prime }msayingisthatforeverysingleperson,though,notjust,ifyo{u}^{\prime }reawareofit,yes,i{t}^{\prime }sthebiggeststoryintheworld,butthefactthati{t}^{\prime }ssoinsignificantwhenyouturnonthenews,andthefirstthreestoriesarethingsthatultimatelyarenotgonnamatter.I{t}^{\prime }sjustnotgonnamatter.Sowhatishappening,amongotherthings,reallystartingin2017,whichiswhenthe,Iguesstheswitchwashit,theswitchwashit,okay,andsuddenly,wewenttoanotherplace,aplacethatw{e}^{\prime }vebeentryingtogettofor70years,okay?Alotofpeopleworkedtheirbuttoff,paidforitoutoftheirbackpocket,didallkindsofstuff,trainedthemselvestododocs,trainedthemselvestodoresearch,whatever,anddidnotlivetoseethatswitchflippedin2017,okay?So,andoneofthethingstha{t}^{\prime }shappenedsincethen,justtocloseoutthepointIwasmakingbefore,isthatwestillhavenothadadocumentaryonthissubjectandther{e}^{\prime }vebeenmany.SteveGree{r}^{\prime }sdonesomefantasticones,sohasJamesFox,somanyofmycolleagueshavedonethem,gotfull,justgottheatricaldistribution.Whathashappened,okay,andthisisnotable,isthatasweswitchtothestreamingera,okay,andsuddenlynowthatbecomesalmostasbigasthebigscreen.Yeah.Andprettyhandygivenwehad,youknow,wehadaplagueandwehadallthisstuff.Andsoessentially,twothingshavehappenedinthelasttwoandahalfyears,whicharemuchmoreimportantthanpeopleunderstand.Andthatisthis.OneoftheA-listofA-listersinthistown,J.J.Abrams,tookonadocumentaryprojectthatwas{n}^{\prime }tdoingwell,putthebadrobotbehindit,andtheproducersthatdidit,andtheyputoutafour-partdocumentaryseriesonShowtime,whichisprettymuchthesamethingasstickingthatthinguponascreen.Okay,four-partcalledUFO,whichIthinkprettymuchmakesthepoint,does{n}^{\prime }tit?HighestratedseriesinShowtimehistory,okay?Ithadsomemistakesinitbecausethe{y}^{\prime }renotreadyto,thepeoplethatdothatstuffinthistownarenotreadytointeractwiththepeoplethathave,youknow,beendoingthelaborandallthisstuff,theheartcarryingthewater,buttha{t}^{\prime }schanging.W{e}^{\prime }lltalkaboutthat.Andthenayearandahalflater,agodamongmen,whocanIsay,whatcanIsay?StevenSpielberg,h{e}^{\prime }smyguy,hedropsafour-partdocumentaryseriesonNetflixcalledEncounters.Yes,myfriendofmine,AndrewFrieden,alsoproducedthatone.Sonow,tha{t}^{\prime }salot,and{I}^{\prime }lltakeit,butIamwaitingforthefirststudiotosay,okay,James,thatdocyoudid,w{e}^{\prime }regonnaputitoutagain,okay?Onthebigscreen.Andw{e}^{\prime }regonnaputitoutagain,right?Phenomena,w{e}^{\prime }regonnaputitoutagain.W{e}^{\prime }regonnagiveit3,000theaters.W{e}^{\prime }regonnadopremieres,right?Yo{u}^{\prime }regonnagetinterviews.I^{\prime }mwaitingforthat.Andletmetellyou,itmighthappen,right?Becauseh{e}^{\prime }sdoinganotherone.Thepointis,andthatwillbetheultimatestatementthatthefilmindustryhascometounderstand,okay,weunderstandthewayitwas,weplayeditacertainway,nomore.Wearegonnabepartofthesolutionabsolutelyonboard.Yeah,butIthinkthatalsocomeswiththeshift,right?Theshiftinwhatwewerealsotalkingaboutpreviouslywiththenewsnetworksandeverythingtoo,andthatleadsustothedisclosureconversation,right?Andthatleadsusto,becauseIheardyourecentlyonaninterview,andforgiveme,Ica{n}^{\prime }trememberthenameoftheshowthatyouwereon,butyouhadsaid,youweretalkingaboutitwasupcomingwhenRoundsandSchumerweretalkingaboutthebillitself.Andyouwereveryhopefulthatitwasactually,becausei{t}^{\prime }sbeen,i{t}^{\prime }spassed,butitwasguttedforthemostpart.AmIwrongonthat?Well,letme,justrealquick.Sowiththat,whatyouweresaying,becauseIwaslisteningtoit,and{I}^{\prime }mlike,ohman,haditjustactuallyhappenedthisparticularway,therewouldhavebeenalotmoreinformation.Doyoufeelitwas,didanythingactuallygetaccomplishedtofurtheritalong,orisitmoresow{e}^{\prime }regonnagetmoreinformationfromGaryNolanandpeopleoveratSol,justshouldwebefollowingthem,orwillRoundsandSchumer,willthegovernmentwhoaresupposedtobefightingforit,willtheygetsomethingdone?Okay,goodquestion.But,and{I}^{\prime }vegottenreallygoodatthis,because{I}^{\prime }vedonelike120podcastsinthelastlike12months.Imean,look,Iwilldoapodcastonfiveminutesnoticeattwointhemorning.Iamthepodcastguy,right?Callme,I^{\prime }lldothemall,Ido{n}^{\prime }tcare,right?I{t}^{\prime }sinyourbasement,i{t}^{\prime }stwointhemorning,Ido{n}^{\prime }tcare,I^{\prime }lldoit,callme.Righton.Givemeastreamyard.Sohereis,youknowhowitgoesnow.Ihavenowmasteredthesuper,supersummaryofthis.Okay,youready?Youreadyforthis?Sothepeoplecanunderstandthatquestion,andi{t}^{\prime }sokay.Theswitchgetsflippedin2017,when10peoplecomeoutwithaToTheStarsAcademywithsubstantialresumesinthemilitaryintelligencecomplexcoveringarangeofareas,Semivan,SteveJustice,Mellon,Elizondo,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera.Okay,thatcomesout,bigdeal.Iknewimmediately,thisishuge.Thisisaparadigmshift.Mostpeople,eh,wha{t}^{\prime }sgoingonhere?Noidea.Okay,plusitwasledbyarockstar,andpeoplearegoing,wha{t}^{\prime }swiththat?ThoughIunderstoodthataswell.Nobigdeal,theycomeout.So{I}^{\prime }mgoing,okay,fine,butwher{e}^{\prime }sitgoing?Imean,Iseethisasbig,butwhatdoyougot?Whatareyougonnado,okay?Imean,ifyo{u}^{\prime }rejustgonnacomeoutandjustsellsomestockandtrytodosomeresearch,tha{t}^{\prime }snotgonnacutit.Well,Ifoundoutinjusttwomonths,twoofthosepeopleinthatgroupof10thatcameoutwithaToTheStarsAcademyofArtsandSciencesdeliveredasubstantialstorytosomejournalistsnamedLeslieKaneandRalphBlumenthal,andalotofus,thisstuffwasgoingon,Ido{n}^{\prime }tknowallthedetails,buttheultimateoutcomewastwomajorstoriesandkeyevidencewasprovidedtotheNewYorkTimes,just60daysaftertheylaunched.AndthatincludedthreeguncameraclipfootagesthatElizondogot,becauseapparentlyaguythatheknowsinthePentagonhappenedtounderstand,knewthattheywerekindofoutfromunderthesecurityclearancething.Yeah,gotmisplaced,whateve{r}^{\prime }soverhere,right?Soi{t}^{\prime }snotcoveredanymore.Andsoboom,theycouldgetitandnotgotojail.Sohegetsthat,Mellongetsinvolved,theygetthatouttotheNewYorkTimes.PlustheytellthemastoryaboutA-Tip,whichisanickname,Reed,allofthatstuff,andtheyputout,andthentha{t}^{\prime }swhathappens.Wegetthetwostoriesinprint,December16,17,thewholethinggoesuponline.Thatisanhistoricalmoment.NewYorkTimesdoes{n}^{\prime }tunderstand,thatmaybethemostimportantthingtheyeverdid.Nowthe{y}^{\prime }vedonesomebigthings.The{y}^{\prime }renotgonnaadmitityet,butdowntheline,the{y}^{\prime }regonnacomeoutandsay,youknow,tha{t}^{\prime }sprobablythebiggestthingweeverdidthere.Andagain,andher{e}^{\prime }sthecoolthingaboutit.Andagain,thisisanotherreasonwhythetruthembargo,whichhadagreatrunandhadallthesupportandthepillarsthatImentioned,cannotlast,isthattheguncameraclipswentupwiththestoryonline.Doyouknowhowmanypeoplehaveseenthoseclips?Billionsperhaps,billionsofviewsworldwide.Nowthefactis,isthattheymaynotbenon-humancraft.Itdoes{n}^{\prime }tmatter.Butwhattheyareisactuallegitimateguncameraclipsofintercepteffortsbyouraircraftofsomethingtheydid{n}^{\prime }tunderstandandtheywerethenbolted.Andguesswhat?Theyhavethousandsofthese.Andthe{y}^{\prime }renot10secondsor30seconds.Theygot30minuteclips.Guesswhat?TheUKhasguncameraclips,France,Germany,Canada,Australia,everynationwithanairforcethathaseversentupaplanetointerceptabogeyintheirairspacefilmsit.Becauseifitgoesbadly,youwantarecord.I{t}^{\prime }slikehavingthoselittlecamerasinyourcar.Soifsomebodycrossedtheline,smacksintoyouandsays,itwasyourfault,yousay,Ihaveaclipofthis,okay,gameover.Andupuntilthatmoment,whenthoseclipsweregiventotheNewYorkTimesandputuponthatweb,noguncameraclipfromanynationhadeverbeenofficiallyputoutbecausetodothatwouldendtheembargo.Andsothatwasamilestone.Andsotha{t}^{\prime }sabeginning,2017.Allright,andthingsarehappening.Alotofcoverageisgoingon.Andthenforthenextcoupleofyearscomesalotofimportantbehindthescenesactivity.AndtheleaderofthatwasChristopherMellon,whohasthepoliticalbackground,bothintheHouse,intheCongress,aswellastheDepartmentofDefense.H{e}^{\prime }sdoingbehindthescenes,gettingmeetingstogether,briefingmembersofCongress,whatever.H{e}^{\prime }sdoingthat.Meanwhile,ElElizondo,andthiswasnotanareathathewas,Ithink,comfortablewith.Hewenttosocialmedia.Hewastheguywhowasgonnatalktopeople,right?Andh{e}^{\prime }sthekindofguyyoucanrelatetopeople,right?H{e}^{\prime }slikesomebodyyoucouldsitdownandhavebeersinabar.Buthisbackgroundwasintel,undercover.Hehadnothadexposuretothesocialmedia.Ido{n}^{\prime }tthinkheknewjusthowroughatripwasgonnabe.ButElizondoisgivinginterviewsandtalkingaboutthis,andtha{t}^{\prime }sgettingthingsoutinthepublic.Andotherthingsaregoingon.Butoverthenextthreeyears,from17to20,thereishugecoverage.Believeme,ther{e}^{\prime }splentyofmediacoverage.Peoplearegettingbroughtuptospeed.Butthedisclosureprocessisprimarilybeingdonebehindthescenes.Thatgoesonforthreeyears,andthenboom,thenextmajorthinghappens.Wha{t}^{\prime }sthat?No,no,no,no,no,no.W{e}^{\prime }retalking2020.Sobecauseofallthestuffbehindthescenes,becauseofthemediacoverage,andbecausemembersofCongresscanactuallywatchtelevision,andtheirstaffcandothat,the{y}^{\prime }restartingin,the{y}^{\prime }regettinguptospeed,gettinguptospeed.Andfinally,andthisishistoric,thefirstlegislationinthehistoryoftheissueissubmittedforabillbynoneotherthanMarcoRubio,whowasthechairmanoftheSenateIntelCommittee.PrettyconservativeRepublican.Goodguy,Ilikehim,butstill,h{e}^{\prime }sconservative.Andso,andheslipsitin,nottotheNDA,whichisoneofthemajorbills.Heslipsitintothat$2 trillion COVID relief bill. Gotta have to pass that, right? We gotta have that COVID relief. I didn’t know that, wow. And it’s not a lot of language. It’s fairly small, kind of slips it in there. Talks about setting up UAP, whatever. It’s not huge. On my website, ParadigmResearchGroup.org, if you go to the main page, right there at the top as you scroll down, I have all four of the bills converted into like a PDF, because the legislation is ridiculous to read. It’s easy to read. It’s even got some highlights. And so you can go to my, you can read all four of the bills, and you go read the first one that was signed in December, I think, 23, by the president, and then became law in 2021. So it was signed by Trump, okay? And that’s the first bill. What happened is we get another bill in 2021, we get another bill in 2022, and another bill in 2023. And all four of those bills are up there. And so that’s four tranches of legislation. And so essentially, the full legislative process is underway. And as that legislative process is building the structure and the legal basis for everything that’s going on, obviously, more things are happening behind the scenes. You’ve got members of Congress saying, you know, I need to go read Richard Dolan. I need to go read those books, right? I need to go watch this doc. I can do this, gotta get up to speed here. And you know, oh, Chris Mellon, look, I understand you’re bringing people up. Could you bring one to my office? Whatever. All this is going on, and the thing is fleshing out over those four years. The coverage is increasing. So that was happening, right? So again, I’m just doing a little summary here. And then we have what I call, I guess, it’s the beginning of the end game. It’s the move that basically signals everybody that plays chess and is watching this game is going, that’s it, that’s it, that’s end game, okay? What was it? As we’re moving forward toward the fourth tranche of legislation, which at that point was not big, it was like modest. But we knew it’d be more, but there was a bit of language up there in the Senate site, because the Senate has always led on this. Wild card, Black Swan event. David Grush comes out of nowhere for us. Now, we knew people inside knew about it, all right? Because there’d been a drama, you know, kind of a melodrama going on there. And the results of that melodrama, which we can go into more if you want, is that David Grush made a very significant decision. Not to come out as a witness. And almost everybody that’s coming forward are witnesses. Let me make this clear. There’s this thing where everybody calls anybody that comes forward as a whistleblower, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. You know, you don’t want to be a whistleblower. Whistleblowers do not have a good time. Witnesses, not so bad. I’m a witness, you know, I saw something like Ryan Graves. Ryan Graves is a witness. He gave testimony of what he saw. He didn’t come out and say, you know, I’ve been part of the Air Force, we saw this, the whole thing’s illegal, it’s bad, no, he’s a witness. Grush was a true whistleblower. He called himself a whistleblower. He claimed that the policies were fundamentally illegal when he came forward as a whistleblower. And he didn’t come forward with just anything. He comes forward and he says, I was part of the task force, UAP task force, right before it became Aero. And it was my job to talk to people. They talked to me. Okay, great. And some people inside the government, some people inside USAP programs, I don’t know the special address, talked to me and they said, hey, we got non-human tech, non-human bodies. I thought that was significant. And before we did anything, he then contacted other people that had clearances, appropriate clearances. that he knew from his work with geospatial and elsewhere and said, is this true? And a number of them said, yes, it is. Now, at this point, he starts going to send an intel staff, whatever, and say, well, I got this. I want to present this to you. He felt he was doing his job. Well, he was ahead of his skis. This was not supposed to happen that soon. But apparently, he didn’t get the memo. He’s doing his job. He wasn’t somebody outside of it coming in and say, oh, I have something special. Somebody told me this on their deathbed. No, he was working for the UAP task force. It was his job. And so suddenly, instead of, you know, okay, great, we’re gonna work with that. No, he starts getting harassment from people on his side, and he’s not happy about that. And eventually, it got bad enough that he goes to the inspector general of the intelligence community, the IG, you know, Homeland Security, National Intelligence Office, a fellowman by the name of Monheim, and to make his case that I’m being harassed, please take measures. And guess what? He got relief. They heard what he, and by the way, so he told him what he had heard. He’s telling the IG what it was I heard and told that is now getting him harassed. So the IG, if he didn’t know it then, knew it before, knew it then, and he got, you know why he got relief? Because the person that represented him before the IG legally was the former and first inspector general of the intelligence community, Charles McCullough. Now that’s strong representation. So he gets that, they give him relief, but guess what? You know, it’s like, I’m not trying to pick on men here, but it’s like women who get restraining, you know, orders from their boyfriends. They don’t work so well, they don’t work so well. So he may have gotten relief, but he started getting death threats from people who are anonymous, right? So it didn’t matter what the IG said, they’re anonymous. Now he’s getting death threats, threatening him and his family, and he’d had enough, and so he goes public. Again, Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal turn up. There’s gotta be a Pulitzer Prize in here for them somewhere, okay? And they produce the story at the debrief about what he has to say. Ross Coulthard takes the interview. It all drops on June the 5th, like a bomb, yeah. Okay, I assure you that across the overall spectrum of engagement within the government, this was not on their bingo card. It was too soon. But, you know, they’d been dragging their feet, taking their time, two tranches of legislation, three tranches, let’s don’t overdo this. And so it was inevitable something was gonna happen. And so that drops on June the 5th, boom, okay. So there’s a story behind how I found out about it. We don’t need to go there. We can do this in another show. And so, okay, I’m going, this is huge. But now what? What’s gonna happen next? Because I knew that there was, I’ve known for years, some years there’s a plan underway to end the truth embargo, to set up disclosure. And I’ve talked about it at length. We can go there if we have the time, okay? But, and I knew that the general public did not understand that, that there was this massive disconnect that was not awful, but it was perhaps inevitable that the public was being told, we are setting all of this up to find out what’s going on up there because you have a right to know. That’s not what was going on. It had nothing to do with that. The government already knew. What was going on was to setting up all this structure because we’re gonna have to disclose this to you pretty soon and we need to have this in place before it happens. But the problem was in order to set all this stuff up, they couldn’t come and say, hey, we need this legislation. We need Arrow and all this stuff because there’s ETs here and we need to get ready for it. You can’t do that because that can only come from the president. So they’re in a, they have a conundrum. They’re in a pickle. How can we set all this up without acknowledging the ETs are here? And so they had to play the people, they had to be mendacious and so forth. It was not gonna be easy, but it was going pretty well until David Grush turned up. And now what in the hell do you do? And I’m thinking, what’s gonna happen? And here’s what happened. And this is incredible. I mean, talk about the first move in the chess game, the end of the chess game was Grush coming forward. The second move, which put us even closer to the end game, was a move made by what I’m gonna call him a grandmaster. Man’s a grandmaster chess player, okay? His name is Chuck Schumer. Yes. Okay. And so Grush drops the bomb on June the 5th. Of course, Schumer finds out immediately. Yeah. The legislation that was up on the Senate site was still modest. Nothing big. We expected more to come. So he had X amount of time to decide what am I gonna do about Grush? Now, obviously Schumer knew everything that had been going on in the Senate Intel Committee. He knew that people had been briefed behind the scenes. He was aware of all of that, though he had stayed out. You didn’t hear from him. Right. The sponsorship was from Gillibrand and Rubio and Warner and so forth, okay? Keeping it there. But now there’s a change. Something has to happen. And so between June the 5th and July the 14th, 39 days, Senator Schumer started working on the next move. Right. He recruited Mike Rounds and others. Why is that important? Well, first, Mike’s a Republican, but he’s also on the House Armed Services Committee. So now he’s added the Armed Services Committee to this thing to shore up the fact that the Senate Intel Committee was carrying the load. And over the next 39 days, they crafted what I think is, in terms of the legislation format that they use, 63 pages of additional legislation that was going to be the Senate bill. And he announces it on July the 14th. I think it may not have actually gone up on the site until July the 27th, but he announces it on July the 14th, boom. And so I find out about this and I immediately go and check it out. And I’m looking at it and I’m going, holy mackerel. I mean, whoa, this isn’t just another piece of legislation. This is the whole thing. I mean, this is it. What he is proposing is the full process, the full plan in which everything that’s secret won’t become secret no more, how it needs to happen, all the processes, how it needs to be done responsibly, timeframe. It’s the whole thing. It’s the final package. If this passes, that’s it, okay? And off we go. And I’m going, well, that’s really impressive, right? That’s really amazing. That’s pretty good. And then I heard the last thing. And I literally almost fell out of my chair. 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So if you’re able to help, please do so. If you love these things, which I think you will, go ahead and get them today. All right, let’s get to it. Let’s finish the interview with Steve Bassett. Here you go. I mean- Did you think I was gonna pass though? I’m confirming indirectly, we have non-human tech, which means the truth embargo is gonna be over pretty soon, all right? We also have non-human bodies. And more importantly, I’ve just declared, I’m clear, we want eminent domain over them. Now, here’s where it gets cool. I don’t think he felt he could get eminent domain. I don’t think there was any chance that would stand because that is a big deal. So you’re basically saying he knew what happened was gonna happen. Yeah, but he couldn’t lose. Here’s why. He knew this. He said, one, if I put eminent domain in there, and eminent domain, and things get really hairy in the reconciliation process with the house, maybe we can trade off the eminent domain to keep the subpoena power or keep the UAP review board, okay? But let’s say they take it all out. Okay, let’s say they take it all out, okay? Well, first of all, and that’s what they did, okay? But again, they’re playing checkers. He’s playing chess, all right? So, okay, they took it all out. They took all the powers out, which is the way it went down. And I’ll be happy to address how it went down, but let me just finish this. And so what’s gonna happen next? I’ll tell you what happens next. This is so cool. He and Mike Rounds go in and do one of these statements for the record in the Senate chamber. Most, some people know about this, some don’t. But essentially, when you see the camera on a guy and they’re giving this thing, they don’t show anything else. That’s because the entire chamber’s empty. There’s just a camera on them and they’re giving you this thing and it’s gonna go out and c-span or whatever the hell, but it goes in the record. It’s not because they want to gather the senators together. So he goes in and he puts on the record, both he and Rounds together. And they’re going back and forth. They’re doing a little, you know, it’s like a team. And he’s saying, well, you know, I’m really disappointed that they took all the powers out of the bill, though they kept the essence of the bill, the fundamental fact that disclosure must take place. They just took all the power away and left it with the people that don’t have the possession of the docs. And we’re disappointed. We’re kind of irritated with the Republicans that they were championing this. But we fully intend to keep pressing, because we’re gonna get this done. And then Mike Rounds comes in and whatever. And then he ends and he walks away. And they leave. Okay, he does that. And then it occurred to me, I said, okay, I fully get it now. It’s absolute genius. Here’s what’s going to happen. Hopefully the Senate Intel Committee, and believe me, everybody wants this. Gary Nolan wants it, which is why they’re dropping all the videos. I’ve started a little project called shiftstorm.org. Don’t forget the F, which is getting people to tag Twitter messages to the three key people, which is Schumer, Warner, and Rubio. Schumer, Warner, and there’s a third person. Rounds? Mike Rounds, I think. No, Warner, Schumer, and Rubio. Those are the three people. Because Rubio is the ranking member. Let’s get the hearing done. Okay. Because if we get the hearing, which is totally in control of the Senate Intel Committee and Chuck Schumer, the Supreme Court can’t stop it. The president can’t stop it. Nobody can stop it. If they want that hearing, boom. And there’s dozens of witnesses ready to testify like that. Well, let me ask you that one, because that’s what everyone’s been talking about, right? As far as like the next hearings you’re alluding to, and then who, because David Grush is not going to go, maybe he does testify again, but who? What? Who comes across is what I’m saying. Who’s next? David Grush absolutely will testify to the Intel Committee. And they’ve got another 20 David Grushes lined up. The witnesses have been coming forward behind the scenes. They’ve been accumulating them for a year and a half. They got so many witnesses, they could hold it for a month. But they’ve got enough witnesses, at least 12 to 20 David Grush types, that if they sit down for a week, morning, afternoon sessions and give the testimony under oath, it blows the truth embargo to smithereens, which sets the president up to be able to come forward and say, no first majeure. No, oh, I’m the president. I’m going to, no. Hey, I’ve seen it. You’ve seen it. We’ve all seen it. I’ve checked into it, made a few calls and I can confirm, we do have non-human tech, non-human bodies. Disclosure, boom. Right. So. Is that this year with the election you’re coming up to? It happens if, all it takes is for the Intel Committee to hold that hearing. And so if they hold that hearing next week, we’ll have disclosure before February is over and here is the chess move. Wow. Which a lot of people I’m sure did not consider. No. Are you ready? When he declaimed, claimed eminent domain, he knew that for the first time in the history of the truth embargo, the inside people, particularly the defense contractors could no longer hide. They had to come out of cover. They had to go in a sense public. They’d been rocking for 60 years, pulling in the box, working on tech, re-engineering stuff. You can’t F-O-I-A them, right? Once in a while they do a little like tease, like Ben Rich will come out and say, you know, we have the tech to take ET home. Great Ben, why don’t you show us the tech, right? They did this often. They couldn’t do that anymore. Why? Because these defense contractors had plans. You know, we got some tech, we got some amazing new science. We’ve learned all this stuff. Yeah, we were paid well, but we’re thinking about some patents. We’re thinking about some startups. We’re thinking about making billions of dollars. And we’ve been very patient. Decade after decade, we’re not saying anything. And now you’re saying you could take the tech? You could take the tech and the rights to it? Now, some people immediately jumped online and said, oh yeah, they’re gonna be sending stormtroopers to Lockheed Martin, the fascist bastards. No, eminent domain simply means we have the right to take it if we want it in terms of the public good. But maybe we don’t need it. And if we don’t, you can have it. And if we do take it, we may then come back to you and say, okay, here’s what we wanna do. And you can be part of this, you can make some money, but the decision is the Congress’s decision, not Rayathon’s decision, okay? That’s what it meant. But as far as they were concerned, oh, they’re taking it all. And so they had to make a decision. What are we gonna do? And the decision they made was this. They went to their intermediaries, they went to their lobbyists. And in case, I don’t know if this shocks you, but tens upon tens of millions of campaign donations come from defense contractors to members of Congress, millions and millions of dollars. They said, you need to go talk to some big shots in Congress and let them know that we want that bill gutted, or at least we want the eminent domain out of there. And if you don’t do that, the contributions may dry up. And who did they go to? They went to the two most powerful national security guys who happened to be Republicans in the House. Mike Rogers, the chairman of the House Armed Services, and Mike Turner, the chairman of the Intel Committee. And just for good measure, they went to Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House. And then they also recruited Mitch McConnell. And so what was decided was that these powerful men were gonna go to the Republicans pretty much, so I think some Democrats were approached, who were part of the ongoing reconciliation project, or a meeting, and say, gut the bill. And Johnson had the real power. And we don’t know all the details yet. They will come out. But in Turner and Rogers were important, but Johnson had the power to say that we won’t bring the bill to the floor. And so with Johnson in there, and McConnell as well, the bill got completely gutted. Okay, fine. But it got gutted before the world’s people, right? Everybody knew who was behind it. Everybody knew it was the defense contractors. I mean, who else? Now, there were probably some people inside the military intelligence community who were not defense contractors, whose view was that disclosure is bad for our national security. And that they have a legitimate feeling that this should be kept secret longer, it could be embargoed longer. And they may have joined that process on that basis. But by and large, it’s all defense contractors. And so what has just happened? And again, this is the chess move. Mike, Chuck Schumer, in that move, forced the defense contractors and others to finally come out of cover, to gut that bill. They had to do it. And when they came out of cover, what just happened? The entire defense contractor, cardinal of defense contractors, that build our aircraft carriers and our F-17 fighters and deal with ET tech, just confirmed that they have ET tech. Because if they don’t have ET tech, you don’t care about the eminent domain bill. They have confirmed it. So who hasn’t confirmed we have ET tech now? Schumer’s confirmed it. Grush has confirmed it. The IG has confirmed it. And now the defense contractors have confirmed it. And then, which makes it a little easier maybe to hold that intel committee hearing, right? And so guess what happens? If they hold the intel committee hearing and bring the Grush forward and Robert Salas and the other nuclear weapons tampering turn off witnesses, some of which are still alive and have been trying to get in front of a committee for 30 years and have been ignored, he gets them, Bob Jacobson, God, there’s so many. There’s so many, we can’t service them all. Once that hearing happens- The one that you were referring to, real quick, that’s for people who don’t know, that was the one that happened in the late 60s. Oh, but yeah, this is in the 60s when the nuclear weapons were turned off. There are SAC-based officers still alive that were there when it happened. They want to testify, but they’ve had to be ignored. So when that hearing takes place, that opens the door for President Biden, who happens to be the president. I’m not, it’s not a political thing. He happened to be the president when the music stopped. So he gets to disclose, okay? And he comes forward and announces the ET presence. One week later, Chuck Schumer and the Senate intel committee will reintroduce that exact bill, the UAP Disclosure Act, by the way, which was the name of it, which includes the UAP Disclosure Plan as a standalone bill into the Senate, which will pass like that. And then it’ll be sent over to the House and the House and Mike Johnson are looking at it going, yeah, it’s all the same stuff. You know, it’s the same damn bill. But unfortunately for him, the entire world just got told that there’s an extraterrestrial presence. And so we’re going to stop this bill? Uh-uh, the bill gets passed and Schumer and the intel committee gets everything they wanted in that bill maybe a month later. That’s three-dimensional chess. Now look, that’s a phenomenal scenario you’re putting forward, but how confident are you that that’s the scenario that’s going to play out? I’m confident in this sense, that technically, you know, sometimes for something to play out, you need eight things to fall into place. Yeah. You know, it’s like the tumblers on a lock. This is straightforward. We need one thing, one thing only. All we need is the Senate Intel Committee to call about 10, 15 witnesses up and they better pay their airfare and pay their hotels. Okay. And then just put them under oath like the House Subcommittee, right? Oversight Subcommittee did with Graves and Fravor and Grush. Put them under oath and just ask them intelligent questions. Which by the way, will be watched by a hundred million people. And every one of those members, both Republican and Democrats are going to go down in history and it’s totally non-partisan and the public will be loving it because, oh my God, this is important and you people are acting like adults and this is what we’ve always wanted. And they’ll go down in frigging history. That is all that’s needed. And because that’s all that’s needed and because the pressure was building on them and it’s gentle pressure, they’re heroes, right? So are the House people, right? Burchette and Mace and Luna, even Matt Gaetz, they’re heroes. They’re out there saying, we want the truth. I don’t give a damn about their politics. This issue transcends politics. But the Intel committee is going to go down in history, right? If they do that, it’s over because that’s the only decision. And so when, and by the way, with all of this going on, there’s a lot of smart people out there that I see what’s coming, including a gentleman by the name of Gary Nolan. Yeah. Okay. Nobel prize nominee, genius. I love this guy. We’ve talked. Okay. He created soul. Danny Sheehan created the New Paradigm Institute, which is getting tons of money. Soul’s getting money. These entities are being created not to get disclosure. These entities are getting created to deal with post-disclosure world. Okay. That’s what they’re getting ready for. But obviously disclosure would be nice. And so Gary Nolan goes on, I believe it was News Nation. If it wasn’t, it was Fox. I think he went on twice. Nobel prize nominee sitting there in a chair and they ask him, how certain are you that there’s an extraterrestrial presence? 100%. How much more blatant can you get? And so by dropping all these videos, which they’ve just done, and this is a very sophisticated high-tech organization with high-end people. So these are not YouTube videos coming from a hobbyist somewhere in Sheboygan. This is coming out of soul. By dropping these videos, he’s sending a message to the Intel Committee. Guys, let’s get going. There’s more coming like that. And so I believe the Senate Intel Committee is going to do the right thing and hold that hearing and not make the mistake of going, well, you know, let’s wait till after the election. That is a big mistake. And I can give you the reasons for that. And so I’m gonna give it 75%. Wow, that’s a big- 75%, we get the hearings very soon and that then triggers disclosure. That’s a big number. Right, you were gonna say? No, I’m processing. Yeah, well, I mean, there’s a lot there for sure. And I think that, you know, going back to what you just mentioned with the, because as of today, when we were recording this, right in the morning, Gary Nolan and Soul Foundation, they dumped a ton of videos from that conference. We knew it was coming. They put the trailer up, but we didn’t know as much. I mean, driving over here, I haven’t got a chance to listen to everyone. You can’t keep up. I can’t keep up. The who’s who of everybody that you want to talk talked at this thing. So what you’re hoping, and because that scenario you put out is the ideal scenario, it really is. And then the other side of it is that you have like this kind of Robin Hood over here with the Soul Foundation of the people who are saying, look, what we’re gonna do is, and it seems like, they are informing the public in a way that maybe, because I like the chess, while they’re playing checkers scenario with Schumer and Rounds. I mean, you could see it. These are career politicians who know what they’re dealing with when they’re going inside of a journal. But this is another side with the Soul Foundation of what they’re trying to do. They’re like yourself, where they’re disclosure enthusiasts. They’re people who want the truth to be told. I mean, I find David Grush among all these other people as heroes in the same way. So what is the goal of the Soul Foundation then to, by doing all this, by putting all this, as you said, it’s coming, we’re protecting for the post-disclosure world, but are any of the people, do you think, that are coming out here today besides Grush, are these some of the people that we’re gonna be hearing from at these hearings should they go forward? Of course. Well, we will hear from anybody the Senate Intel Committee wants to hear from. And they’re gonna be bringing in people that are gonna be incredibly powerful, that is gonna make it absolutely clear that we have an ET presence, but they’re not gonna proclaim it. That’s not appropriate. Mark Warner is not gonna stand up and say, well, I’ve heard enough. There’s an extraterrestrial presence. That is the president’s job. Only the president can do that. Why? Somebody else can do it, but it doesn’t count. No, not the same way. Only the president has the power to declassify, assuming they go through the protocols, everything and anything. And because when the president makes the confirmation statement, which I think will be in the East Room of the White House, could be in the Oval Room, Oval Office, makes, that actually makes it official and formal and all the doors open, or at least are now unlockable, and we can start moving forward. But it doesn’t have to be the president. Another head of state could launch this, which is another reason why, you know, I keep hitting it, you know, the Intel Committee, guys do this. Guys, women and men, please do this, do this. Because what if another head of state beats us to it? I can think of one off the top of my head, and that our president has to go second and say, well, so-and-so and so-and-so brought all this evidence out, confirmed there’s an ET presence. I guess I have to go along with this. This is not good. They have gotta get this done. What’s the possibility of that happening, that scenario? It’s kind of like a space race. It is measurable, and therefore it is scary, okay? So let me, I wanna tell you another track real quick. There are many, many entities forming that are really all focused on the post-disclosure world. And to the extent I can, I’m gonna be on a podcast and talk about them. I mentioned to Sol, New Paradigm Institute. Paradigm Research Group is about to go non-profit finally. I’ve always been a First Amendment Sol proprietorship, so they couldn’t come get me. But I’m about to go non-profit and convert into a small think tank. Danny’s massive think tank is officed right by the one block from the Capitol and across the street from the Hart Building, Senate Hart Building. Mine is one block from the White House in the National Press Building. And so we’re gonna work together, but he’s an ocean liner and I’m a tugboat. The point is, so I’m gonna be refocusing there. But recently, I helped found an organization called the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. And I founded it, the idea was from my partner, Daniel Harari, who’s a long time Hollywood publicist. And he said, I wanna do this. And I said, absolutely. And so we launched on November the 1st last year, the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. And what it is, it’s similar to the Environmental Media Association launched in 1989 by Norman Lear with millions of bucks. It was created to be an interface between the massive film industry and the entire environmental movement so they get the messaging right and connect and so forth and help each other out, so the resources. Environmental movement is controversial, but it’s never been as controversial as the ET issue. And so that was an easy thing. And so for the last 30 years, and that site is up there and they’ve done billions of impressions and information efforts, it still exists. And it did its job. So we wanted to do the same thing for this issue. So the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance consists, it’s a fully non-profit, non-commercial, we don’t make any money, we just raise tax deductible funding, has a growing list of Hollywood, Hollywood stands for the entire entertainment industry, Hollywood founding members. Bio and photo is up, no money exchanged. And we have a growing list of UAP founding members. These are the people that make the films, do the research, journalists, activists, podcasters. You’re invited, please. We want you in the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance or UAP. And so it’s an out around 120, soon it’ll be 200, 250. And so when you go on the site, you see there’s a board, we have 20 members of the board, okay? And there’s an executive committee that runs it. And then we have these founding members. And so even if you’re not a member, when you go on that site, you see this list of people in the entertainment industry, actors, directors, producers, whatever, who are willing to openly say, I make content, I’m a professional, and I’m down with this subject. I’m down with the ET issue, I’m down with the UAP issue, come talk to me. And then you’re seeing a list of all the UAP people who have been kept away from the film industry by the truth embargo. It’s like one of those things that some religions do where you have to put something between you and your wife or your fiance or whatever. Anyways, it’s just separated them out, right? A board between them. We wanna pull that board down and make it easier for them to find each other so that a James Fox can find somebody in this town who will put his doc up on 2000 screens or any other deals or streaming or anything to make content so that the industry in general will be the principal driver of the information transfer that has to happen post-disclosure. Once disclosure happens, you’ve got 8 billion people, 330 million people in this country who wanna know everything right away, right? And that is not trivial. And so by making, this will help ensure that the content, particularly the nonfiction content, that will be narrative fiction, that is created will have the input of the Richard Dolans and the James Foxes and all of these others who have done the work, but have not had access to the resources so the messaging will be appropriate. Now, we’re not a censor. All we do is help people get together. They make the deals, they do the content, however that turns out. And I’ll just add this. The people of the UAP world have made unbelievable sacrifices. They’ve given up so much and their lives have not been easy. It would be nice if in the post-disclosure era, in cooperation with the massive entertainment industry, they could make some money, you know, and have a life and be able to do more work. And that’s part of the reason for the HDA. I’m sure that they will, especially when it comes to books and things of that nature, that will more than likely definitely come out and people will want to know more about it, especially when it becomes more public. And I think one of the things that I’m curious about when it comes to this, not guys like us, because at this point we’ve heard so much and we hear people like yourself be able to talk. We know what’s going on. For people who are gonna be really blindsided in the fact that like if, because let’s say they’re not paying attention and the major news, the television networks aren’t covering it. And then president comes out and says, hey, by the way, there’s an ET president. People look, they’re gonna go, whoa, right? So are they also gonna say, well, wait a minute, where’s the footage? Because every time I see footage, it’s blurry little footage or it’s this little thing. Is there, there’s gotta be actual, I mean, these reverse engineering programs they talk about. Somebody clearly has- No, no, let me help again. First of all, one of the memes that’s always been out there that the government has pushed is that we can’t handle it. If it happens, everything’s gonna go to hell, religion collapses, that’s all BS. It’s always been BS. But it’s to service the truth embargo, to keep people away from it, right? Don’t do anything, it’ll trigger disclosure and all hell will break loose. It’s all bogus, but it’s okay, I get it. But here’s the thing. One of the advantages of a 76 year truth embargo is this, the public has been getting stuff on this for 76 years, okay? 600 movies have been made with extraterrestrials. There’s nowhere in the world you can’t go except Sentinel Island in the Indian Ocean, where you can’t say UFO or whatever the hell it is in their language, in South America it’s OVNI, that they don’t know what you’re talking about. Just about everybody on the planet knows what extraterrestrial means, they just don’t know yet if they’re here or not. And so when disclosure takes place, there’ll be some people saying, well, I knew the idea of an ET, you mean they’re actually here? Are they like the ones in Aliens? No, they’re not. So it’s not gonna be that bad. No, it’s not gonna be that bad at all. But they wanna know as much as possible, they want some authentic information, they don’t want any BS, and they want people to be serious about it as they go about their life and try to adjust to the post-disclosure world. And as it happens, there is a sidecar to this, which I sort of didn’t pay much attention to, that’s also important, but it’s not as problematic as the ET issue in a way, and that is artificial intelligence. You see, there’s gonna be the post, well, there’s gonna be the artificial intelligence world that’s going to be running right alongside of the post-disclosure world. And guess what? People are gonna have to adjust to that, right? And so artificial intelligence and all that’s coming from that, the post-disclosure world, which may lead to open contact, not two in the morning contact, I’m talking about open contact, ETs and authorities discussing, that’s coming. And yeah, we need to get information out so people can address that and deal with it. Because this is gonna be changing people’s lives. Yeah, good, right. There seems to be what I call the debunkers that come out like immediately whenever there’s kind of like, you know, right. You know, the jellyfish video comes out and immediately there are people out there going, it’s a balloon, it’s a bird poop, it’s this, it’s that, fine. Jellyfish video aside, if this disclosure happens, what do you make and what do you think is going to happen to some of those people that I feel are doing it just because they’re jumping into a, like while we’re trying to talk and get disclosure and all that, there are people out there immediately trying to debunk it because that’s their lane that they picked. And there is a very popular lane of people that don’t want to believe it because there’s a rational explanation. It’s a balloon, it’s a this, it’s a that. What do you make of that? I mean, no disrespect. I don’t care. I really don’t care. They will deal with what they have. There are institutions I’m much more gonna be talking about. In other words, I don’t care about debunkers. I’m gonna be discussing post-disclosure how the entire academic community of this country, 5,000 universities and colleges for 76 years have literally stayed away from it, wouldn’t touch it, right? And list laid down for the truth embargo. I’d kinda like to talk about that. I don’t want that to happen again. And then the media’s issues and so forth. But the debunkers, I don’t care. But to get into something you said before, I wanna cover before I forget about it. Trust me, here’s how it goes down. If we get the Intel Committee hearing week, the president will be able to step forward and the truth embargo. The act will pass. And immediately after the act passes, as it was originally written, particularly because of the 25-year rule, all of a sudden, things are gonna start coming out of the secret programs, the secret information. People are gonna be learning about new docs and information that was classified. It’s gonna be coming out and coming out. And that’s gonna go on for years. And that’s gonna include film clips. It’s gonna include papers. It’s gonna include all kinds. In other words, there will be an ample stream of information transference along the lines of the disclosure control plan as put forward in that bill, which is great. It’s fantastic to keep the world satisfied for years. So in terms of proof, my God, it’s gonna be overwhelming. And plus, everything that’s been done prior, all the work by the citizen researchers and activists and everything, all those books, there are thousands of them. Suddenly, the historians and academics are gonna go, I think I probably should read some of those. I think I should read those. And they’re gonna go read and go through all of it and find out that most of it was true. And so the post-disclosure truth wave will be big enough for anybody to serve. Let me ask a two-part question here. And the first is, as Riley mentioned before with the jellyfish video, and then you got what George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell had with that video. It was essentially kind of a leak, and even more so where, by the Pentagon saying, we’re not commenting on that, that they were not commenting on a leaked thing. They’re pretty much confirming it. But when it comes to that, well, do you think that A, there will be more leaks before this scenario goes through? And the other thing, when you talked about disinformation, and as I said, it’s a two-part question, so I know. I mentioned up top about Sean Kirkpatrick, who seems to be an agent of that, of the disinformation. Now, I don’t know how much of this report that just came out today or over the weekend is true, but there’s reports that say that some people now say that he is saying the opposite, is that he is now saying that he was told during these press conferences to say these things, and that his team was basically, the things that, the progress that they made was held back. Have you heard this as well? No, I’m glad you brought it up, okay? Again, this is why, for various reasons, I’ve been kind of shut out of CNN and Fox and News Nation and stuff. There’s been some efforts to get me on, but it’s being blocked. Don’t know why, it’s okay. I’m Mr. Podcast, right? I can do a thousand podcasts by the time they get me on. It’s okay, but I’d like to get on because this is a message that’s gotta get out, and I’m gonna repeat it because it’s so important. And it’s critical to understanding Kirkpatrick. Everything that’s been going on, the legislation, ARO, setting up this, setting up that, everything that’s been going on has been to prepare for disclosure, not to go find out what the hell’s going on. They already know, they’ve known since 47. And it’s awkward, but they can’t say why, they just have to say, let’s set this up. All right, once you get that, then it’s easier to understand what happened with Sean Kirkpatrick. I have nothing but empathy for him. And he’s not the only one that’s been caught this way, believe me, because it’s this very difficult chess game that’s being played, it’s brutal. And so Sean Kirkpatrick is a man with a fine background, he has the skills and so forth to head up ARO. I doubt that he knew much about the history of this issue. I just, I don’t think so. Moultrie and Bray didn’t know about the issue. And then they’re gonna find somebody that has their credentials, they’re gonna say, okay, you have the credentials to run this. That doesn’t mean that they understand the full 76 year history of this. They don’t, no, they had a career. And so he comes in to take over ARO. Okay, now, one of two things happened. Either he was told in advance, Sean, look, we gotta set this up, we’ve gotta maintain it until we can get disclosure happening. And then of course, this organization is gonna be in full flowers, it’s gonna do everything it’s supposed to do, but it needs to be set up in advance. We can’t be trying to set it up after the president announces, and we need you to hold the fort, be the director, but understand you’re kind of a mayor of a Potemkin village. It’s not gonna really be able to do what everybody wants. It’s just, and that’s gonna be awkward, but okay, they might’ve done that, they might’ve said that. Or they might’ve just said, okay, we’re setting up ARO. Sean, you’ve got some good credentials. We’d like you to be the director. It’s gonna be doing a lot of good things and so forth. And Sean takes over and off we go. And so he’s on there for 18 months. And I know right away, he probably starting to think, you know, this is not quite, it’s not going the way I thought. Gillibrand came out at one point and said, where’s the funding? They’re not funding it, why isn’t the money coming? Well, I knew why it wasn’t coming, right? And so maybe, but it’s still, it’s moving forward. But when Grush hits, whatever the circumstance that Sean was hired under, it blows it up. Because Grush has just come forward and said we have ET tech, ET bodies. Okay, fine, that’s a problem. Then he says it under oath in front of the June, July 26th house subcommittee hearing. That’s a major problem, okay? And so you’re Sean Kirkpatrick. Grush has said there’s ET tech and ET bodies. But he’s just a witness under oath. I’m the head of ARO. What’s gonna happen? Everybody’s gonna come to me and say, Dr. Kirkpatrick, what about the ET bodies? What about the ET tech? He can’t talk about that. He can’t go there. And he knows that. He knew I am literally in an impossible position. I can’t be the disclosure guy. I can’t suddenly say, oh yeah, no. And so the first thing he did was an emotional thing. He fires off a nasty letter about Grush immediately, okay? On LinkedIn. Mistake, shouldn’t have done it. But still, what do you do? And so, and then what’s going forward, the situation is getting worse and worse for him, okay? I can’t disclose. I can’t, you know, I’m the director. The focus is on Grush. What, am I just gonna be a placeholder? And at some point, he had enough. And he said, I’m outta here. And so he resigns. Okay, and he gets out from under it. But he’s still angry as hell. And then something else happens. There’s one or two explanations for that. And I’m pretty sure it’s the first, but it could be the second. The first is, he’s still angry. He’s still mad. He comes back and he makes a statement. He puts that thing in Scientific American, was kind of casting doubt over the whole thing. You know, which is really him saying, you know, in a way, it was true. You think he did that on his own, though? He wasn’t pushed towards that? No, I don’t think so. Arrow was not quite what it was supposed to be. But that’s not what he could say. But he could say, maybe it’s not, whatever. So he does that, and it’s a big mistake, okay? That’s wrong. And then he does some interviews. And again, that’s not going well. And so now his situation is really awful, and I really feel sorry for the guy. And so finally, but that was the first explanation, okay? More anger, more upset. The second explanation is somebody came to him and said, look, we understand the situation you’re in, Sean. It’s terrible, it’s awful. But I tell you what, you know, we really want this truth embargo to go on for a while. And so, you know, we’re thinking, would you like to be Edward Condon of the 21st century? It’s like, as you go out the door, you say the whole thing is like not real or whatever. Like Edward Condon did with that report that disgraced him and the University of Colorado, which still hasn’t apologized for that. And having a better football team is not enough, okay? So, and that will shut things down. Oh, oh, he was head of Aero. He says it’s not really real. And so now we can stop. I doubt that. And if it happened, my God, somebody needs to pay, and not Sean Kirkpatrick. I think he just, now he’s finally realizing, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. I was treated badly. I got broke, whatever you call it. I need to start taking the right position. And so now he’s starting to step back and he’s starting to be part of the solution. And I think he’ll be okay. That is what is going on. And the reason the public still is gonna misinterpret that is because they’re still thinking that Aero’s job was to find out what the phenomena was. And since it was to find out what the phenomena was, Aero should have jumped all over Grush and said, oh my God, get it, let’s. No, they couldn’t, because it wasn’t set up to find out the phenomena. It was set up to be ready for the post-disclosure world. They already know what the phenomena is. And then the job is how to get the information out. And Sean Kirkpatrick was basically caught in the middle. Yeah, because it was disheartening because I read on CNN, it was an opinion piece, but it was quoting Kirkpatrick. It was from top to bottom, what we saw, it’s all human. Sometimes these balloons get away from us, and that was going against everything that we’re talking about here. It was another example. And this is, I’ve seen this repeatedly, believe me. People have high level positions, highly skilled, good people, high level positions, high education, that’s worked in the government, Intel, whatever, national security, and this issue is drawing them out. In other words, we got to deal with it. And when they get involved, they just don’t understand social media. They don’t realize, you give one interview and say something stupid, it goes around the world and generates two million tweets. And they just, you know, Louis Alessandro had the same problem. He was an undercover guy risking his life in different parts of the country. He wasn’t hanging out on Facebook. And so when he gets into the social media world, he found out that that is a different world and he was very unhappy about that. And so Sean is dealing with that too. All I can say is, hey, it’s a Twitter world now, deal with it. That’s it, and just like that, we could have talked to you for another four hours. We have to do a second show. Part two. Will you please let the audience know exactly where to find you if they want to find out more information about Paradigm and everything else? Sure, promo time. Okay, first of all, my website is ParadigmResearchGroup.org. Contact information is there. You can subscribe to the free updates, no problem. Secondly, the ShiftStorm, don’t forget the F, .org is up, it’s got a page. You go there and it tells you how to send tag tweets to Schumer, Rubio, and Warner. You can send all you want, thousands of them, basically saying, tag tweets, at Senator Schumer, and it goes into their notification box, which they follow. We want hearings, we want hearings, we want hearings, okay? Third, HollywoodDisclosureAlliance.org, okay? If you are somebody that has got a track record in the entertainment industry, if you have put in your time and grade in terms of the UAP research, activism, whatever, and you think you’d like to be a founding member, get in touch with me or Dan Harari or any one of the founding members, and we will review that. Maybe you can become a founding member of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, okay? Fourth, we just had a big event here, Conscious Life Expo, 15,000 people, energy level was way up, a lot of stuff was discussed. In three months, major conference, Contact in the Desert, Indian Wells Resort, the Renaissance Indian Wells Resort, 60, 60 plus speakers, almost all focused on UAP disclosure. You wanna go, you gotta be there for this event. Contactinthedesert.com, hotel, you gotta get it through the website, it’s cheaper, book immediately because those rooms are gonna be gone. This is going to be a 3,000 person celebration, I think, possibly of disclosure itself, but even if we don’t have disclosure, it’s gonna be a phenomenal event, so check that out. I think that’s it, I think I’ve got it covered. Well, it’s an absolute pleasure to have you on the show today. Thank you for being with us today. Riley, where can I find you? In my head, wondering what the hell just happened. On the internet, at Riley around, R-E-I-L-L-Y, around, see you there. 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