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Lt. Col. John Blitch — “Talks About UFO Phenomenon” (Alien Disclosure channel, Jan 20 2025)

Hello, everyone. I’m Jim Garrison. I want to welcome you to this session of Humanity Rising. As we continue our exploration of the extraterrestrial presence on our planet, a subject that we’ve been covering for many months now, today we’re going to look at the impact of technology generally, but specifically on the issue of abductions with a gentleman who has very deep experience, not only in the U.S. military industrial complex, but also as a researcher in clinical psychology. and most recently involving two books that he’s in the process of writing. One on artificial intelligent robots, in which he chronicles his odyssey from being a specialist in nuclear weapons delivery and special forces during the Cold War. And then began to get into the whole field of of A.I. robots and was involved in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. And then also the search and rescue after 9-11 in New York City. He’s also in process of writing a book on what he’s calling the abduction amnesty paradox, looking at this extraordinary phenomenon of abductions, what he calls the elephant in the UAP disclosure realm. So we’re very privileged today to have Lieutenant Colonel John Blitch, who will be joining us. We’ve been having a few technical challenges. He’s coming in from Colorado, but we’re hoping that we can sort those out. So, John, why don’t you join us and let’s see how the technology is developing. John. Oops, he just got picked out. Oh, very suspicious. Well, as we wait for John, let me make some comments. I wanted to really focus on the extraordinary. Impact that technology is having on our world today, I have been covering Gaza every day, as you all know, and I thought we’d take the opportunity with John to to really broaden the discussion that’s been underway about AI and also the UAP issue. It’s such a vast, vast, complicated domain looking at the combined impact of artificial intelligent technology, non-human robotics, which is what John Blitch is a specialist in, coming out as he has from decades in special forces and nuclear weapons delivery for the Pentagon, during which he was privy to a lot of information that is not allowed into the public domain. And as a result of which he also began to realize that there was an extraordinary. Dimension of the UFO, UAP domain, and that was human abduction. So we’re very excited to have him cover both those domains. And that’s why I was keeping my opening remarks rather brief. And now we’re having technical challenges. So we’re not quite sure what the situation he’ll be in in hopefully a minute or two. We want to take a moment actually to make everybody aware of the course that’s being started today in a couple hours at 11 o’clock a.m. Pacific time. It’ll be Dan Sheehan’s second course on the history, law and politics of unidentified anomalous phenomena. He had a very, very successful first course, one of the most popular we’ve had ever in ubiquity university. And he’s now starting his second course. He really viewed his first two courses as a single set of eight lectures on what he considers to be not only the facts pertaining to the UFO phenomenon, but also. How different domains of human inquiry from sociology and history and philosophy and metaphysics, how each of the fundamental domains of human inquiry are being profoundly impacted by this realization on the part of the human race that extraterrestrials are here and intentionally present and have been for a significantly long period of time. So I see that John is now coming back in. John, how are you? Can you hear us? Good. Why don’t you say something just to make sure that everything is being connected here? Yeah, I think I’ve got a latency problem with my VPN and it keeps one. I’ve turned it off, but it keeps wanting to restart. So here is a case where AI and learning my system, my machine is interfering with me rather than helping me. That is the way of technology. That is the way of technology. Now, let’s see, Georg, what do you suggest? Should John? I would suggest that maybe Dr. John, you would could take a turn off your video for now and then we just do audio at this moment. Yeah, I think I’ll do that. That sounds like a good idea. And I’m going to go ahead and share my screen then and see if that comes across anyway. How’s that look? We don’t. There we go. I’m going to try the slideshow. Is that showing up at all yet? Not yet. I just see a black screen. Yeah, it seems to be, again, quite slow. Yeah, I think I’ve got some horrific latency on my side. There it is. We see it now. We see how we see it. OK, so you’ve got you’ve got the killer rescue robot, not page. Is that correct? Yeah. And a photograph of a very handsome young man. Yeah, that’s certainly not me. That is Colonel Matt Dorsey, who I dedicated this book to because of his penchant for selfless service. Good. Well, why don’t we just take it one slide at a time. John. There we go. Went to the second. We went to the second slide now. OK. So that speaks for itself. For the most part, my biggest concern is that a based weaponry will sort of insulate humans from accountability for their actions. And that applies on both the negative aspect of human behavior as well as the positive side. We don’t want to get between a rescue firefighter, for example, and the baby they’re supposed to rescue because that gives them their meaning of life. And I guess my bottom line here is that that risk accepted on behalf of others is a form of love. And we don’t want machines to interfere with our ability to love each other. So that’s kind of the aspect of that book. And that’s there is an overlap with UAP and NHI in the sense that maybe some of these visitors may actually be biological robots to a certain extent. Many of the abductees in the literature report that sort of flavor to things. But that’s that’s the main goal screen in the presentation into presentation mode. That would be fantastic. You want me to start the slideshow? That would be great. Yeah. People are easier to see if that works. Is that working? Yes. There we go. OK, great. And you see risk is love there? Yes. Yes. OK, are these bullets coming down effectively? Yeah. OK, so the second book, the abduction amnesty paradox, which I claim is a case for selective clemency and basically forgiveness in the disclosure age. I’m dedicating this one to Sergeant Major Retired Robert O’Dean, who left us a while back. But he is one of the most gentle souls and Christlike soldiers I’ve ever I’ve ever met. And I think a lot of the UFO community probably feels the same way. But before I get started, I want to make a few observations about the critical thinking about critical thinking. And just one point of adjustment, Jim, on your very effusive intro. And I can’t thank you enough for that and allowing me to talk today. But I’m not actually a clinical psychologist or a counseling psychologist. I’m a cognitive psychologist. And so experimental evidence is is key to my little field of endeavor. And I wanted to point out that, you know, just the lack of evidence is not the same as no evidence. Secondly, one of the issues that I’ve got with science, especially as applied to the UAP arena, is we tend towards absolutes. Like there’s no way that we can break the sound barrier or this is the first time that this has happened. This is the first time a UFO showed up, et cetera. I want to resist that in the typical human process of claiming all or none, as opposed to just at least one. So you’ll see me do that throughout this and many other presentations. Can you guys hear me at all? Am I? Loud and clear. OK. And then, of course, there’s the notion of unknown unknowns. I know Donald Rumsfeld back in 9-11 used that, but that’s an old soft adage about we really don’t know what we don’t know until we get on the surface of Mars or arrive on the rings of Jupiter or whatever happens to be. And then the other point I want to make is that data is subject to interpretation. Pretty much all data, although I just said don’t ever say all or or always. But, you know, we’ve got to make sure that we interpret things. And so even a radar screen is subject to interpretation, as well as, you know, atoms and so forth. And then my my closing point here is that the Fermi paradox really isn’t. It’s simply a black swan argument. Just because nobody ever saw black swans throughout the 1716 hundreds, the conclusion was that all swans must be white. And then, of course, a few years later, someone returns from Australia and there’s black swans. So it turns out that, yeah, they do exist. And that’s an oversimplified aspect of it. But that’s the general idea there. So I guess my claim is disclosure is here. Thanks to the rather heroic, in my opinion, efforts of Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon for releasing these videos back in December of 2017, when I was still teaching at the U.S. Air Force Academy. And then most recently, you know, Dave Grosh and Commander Fravor, Kevin Day and Alex Dietrich, the whole crew, as well as most recently Admiral Gallaudet, you know, we’re there. So what are we going to do about, I guess, the question? And I want to start this off by making an observation as a young kid. My dad was a professor at MIT and a engineer at Draper Laboratories. And he insisted on propagating on me this Santa Claus conspiracy after telling me about John Glenn. He wants me to believe that this chubby white guy with a bag full of toys can make it around the planet in a single night. And lo and behold, you know, my first day reporting in or my first week reporting the Air Force Research Lab after finishing my Ph.D., I ended up meeting John Glenn as the replacement for Santa Claus. So that launched me as an angry young man into West Point. But I do remember as a kid being in this Hayden Planetarium at MIT or close to MIT and laying on the floor as a six year old, five or six year old and listening to the story of Lonnie Zamora and all of the physical evidence associated with that. You had, as you can see here, I think a colonel and a major with Geiger counters and they detected elevated radiation levels at the landing site. There was plenty of scorched earth and bushes that were asymmetrically burned. So not a typical fire type situation, landing pad indentations and even footprints, bipedal footprints. And so this case was, as is recounted many times over, the case that actually sort of flipped J. Allen Hynek from a skeptic to a believer and a researcher. And it did the same for my dad. But I was still upset with him for propagating this Santa Claus conspiracy and not only, you know, trying to fool me, but requiring me to participate in it and tell my younger sister this ridiculous notion of this chubby guy. So I went off to West Point, set a record number of a record for the number of demerits monthly beer and ended up with a 2.41 GPA. And they put me in charge of nuclear weapons, of all things. And, you know, after being lost, I transitioned over to special forces and after being lost and testing GPSs, I guess my bottom line from five command tours is summed up by this sort of fake OER that one of my commanders wrote, saying that the only reason anybody was following me into combat is out of sheer curiosity of what I’ll screw up next. So I guess I claim after five command tours not to necessarily be a very good commander myself, but I know what bad command, bad leadership looks like. And I want to apply that to the UAP effort here in terms of what the military mindset is. So we regard us, we regard ourselves as, you know, sort of selfless student athletes. We’re dedicated to something bigger than just making as much money as we can over the course of the earth or the course of our lives. But society may look at us in a different direction, as with Colonel Jessup here in the movie. A few good men. We tend to be fiercely loyal, as he sort of carried out towards the Constitution and faith. But we’re also pessimistically biased realists. And this is the way we see ourselves. You know, per the quote from Rocky Balboa, the world is not all sunshine and roses. It is a very mean and nasty place and it will beat you to your knees. So we kind of look at the world that way. And I think that has guided this sort of cover up gaslighting effort for almost a full century now. We also tend towards being a bit more rare in terms of the global population, less than two percent. These figures are for the U.S., but I think they probably are representative of the rest of the planet. And the fact of the matter is that we are relatively rare, but we hold a certain amount of power over secrets. So OPSEC stands for operational security. What we’re physically doing may be retrieving crashed aircraft or crash craft of any number of variants. And then technical security about what we’ve developed, the so-called jewels of the kingdom that keep us and give us an edge over our adversaries. And we also expect that we also tend to be team players. But I want to make a critical point here, and that is that there was a world of difference between what I call aggregate teams. You know, your track teams, wrestling, tennis, gymnastics, those types of teams end up scoring in an aggregate nature. And your teammates are essentially cheerleaders as opposed to collaborative teams where the focus is on the puck or the ball. And your own individual contribution is secondary to the full team effort. And that will come in a little bit later in discussing the military response to all this. So with regards to that aspect of things, there’s certainly a very clear and strong relationship between UAPs and UFOs and nuclear weapons. Robert Hastings in the top left corner has probably forgotten more than I will ever know about this relationship, as well as Bob Jacobs and Bob Salas pictured here. You can certainly go online and look at all of their testimonies, but the conclusion reached by many of us is that we are playing with fire, as Robert Hastings points out. Did I have a question there? Did somebody comment something? No, keep going, and then we’ll have a question and answer after you finish. OK, so what gets me about this is why would these guys lie? Certainly coming out and discussing UFOs is not going to be a positive step in their career. It’s not going to get them any more money. So it doesn’t have any of the typical motivations to lie. And then secondly, if they’re incompetent, if they’re crazy or they don’t understand and they’re mistaking, you know, a glowing disk for swamp gas, why would they be promoted afterward? Why would you promote a guy that can’t even tell the difference between a burning bush and some sort of craft? Thirdly, these are specially selected cream of the crop and PRP screened military personnel. Now, PRP stands for the Personnel Reliability Program. And when I was a Pershing II missile battery commander, I had to screen every single sick call slip on a daily basis. So these folks are under tremendous scrutiny day after day, psychologically, physically, mentally. And if there’s any reason that they cannot perform their duties, I had to take them off the roster for that day. And that comes with a huge burden for the rest of the unit. So this is a level that of scrutiny that is beyond even the pilots that are flying 15, 20 million dollar aircraft or 35 million dollar aircraft. So I guess I ask you, who could be more trusted to weigh in on this subject? And I guess my claim is that these folks, these testimonies from these individuals in particular, satisfy Carl Sagan’s request for extraordinary proof or extraordinary claims. Now, the benevolent side of this is indicative due to the identical testimony from our Russian counterparts. So the green represents throughout the rest of this presentation, sort of the upside, the benevolent side of this relationship, as opposed to the downside, which is here. If all of that is true, like I claim, why are these guys harassed and interrogated like criminals by our own Air Force Office Special Investigations? It doesn’t make sense. Why are they separated from each other and muzzled? My claim is that this level of abuse of our own military personnel is a more significant risk to national security than UFOs wandering around and even disabling our nuclear weapons. Because the argument can easily be made, and Robert and the rest of his colleagues make it all the time, that interfering with the nuclear matchsticks is preventing humanity from setting our backyard on fire. And arguably, there is some self-interest if they are experimenting on us, but it’s certainly at least a level of compassion, if not outright benevolence. So let’s take a look at the year 1947 for a minute. You’ve got Kenneth Arnold in June. You’ve got the Roswell incident, Jesse Marcel being forced to propagate and make up a baloney statement about a weather balloon after, and let’s be clear here, after the military, the base commander, ordered Lieutenant Halt to release this newspaper clipping, specifically claiming a flying saucer was captured. And then, of course, you’ve got the majestic documents. Now, I know that that seems to be weak evidence to some folks, but again, weak evidence is not zero evidence. There is some evidence that there was this panel that was trying to figure out how to react to this type of thing. And now, here’s a really, really interesting thing that has perplexed me for quite some time. That, you know, in the last quarter of a single year, you had these huge seismic changes to our way of life and our government. Our War Department that used to demobilize after a warfare, all of a sudden became a permanent Department of Defense. And then within a month of that, the OSS, which was supposed to demobilize as well, or at least reduce itself. You don’t want to go totally blind, but you don’t need to be as active in peacetime as you are in war. That becomes a permanent center for intelligence. And here’s the kicker, is commensurate with all this and the National Security Act of 1947, top secret clearances that required a private to brief a general officer gave way to the notion of compartmentation and special access. For the first time, a private could tell a colonel or a general, I’m sorry, sir, but you do not have a need to know that information. Seismic changes in the way we do business and seismic changes in the way that the military conducts its business. Here’s another huge factor that has gone unreported, in my personal opinion, and that is that the Army Air Corps, when they transitioned into the United States Air Force, they went from a collaborative collection of very close knit teams. And anybody that’s seen the most recent Apple TV program called Masters of the Air, it’s kind of a kind of a Saving Private Robin variant that Steven Spielberg did to highlight the tremendous heroism of B-17 crews. Those folks were unquestionably a very tight and collaborative team. And when the Army Air Corps became the U.S. Air Force, my claim is they went from a collaborative team to aggregate compartmented stovepipes. And it’s been a major source of frustration throughout my career, as well as many others. And then you have this other fairly seismic global change where the Russians slash Soviet allies all of a sudden become our worst adversaries. Why? All of a sudden, all this happens in the fourth quarter of a single year. So this is the question I ask, is it possible, is it probable that Harry Truman declared a secret war on NHIs, non-human intelligences, that are riding around in these UFOs in 1947? And that’s what declared that’s what caused all the seismic change. But the key is a secret war. So let’s take a look at this notion of how to keep something secret. What’s a liar’s rationale for gaslighting? On an individual basis, inflate your self-esteem. If you’re a military commander, it might serve to inflate the self-esteem of your entire organization. Anybody that’s read in all of a sudden feels special. You can exact revenge by lying, certainly greed. You can lie in your pockets as a defense contractor in the military industrial complex. You might lie to escape punishment or to protect others from punishment. You scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours. Certainly, there’s a positive aspect to lying on occasion. You may want to protect your kids. You want to hide their matches. You don’t want to give away the nuclear codes. You don’t want to give away the gun safe combination to your own children. And you may also want to shield them from nightmares at night by claiming there’s no such thing as monsters. There’s no such thing as child molesters. No such thing as rapists. Although they find out pretty soon when they become teenagers that all those things are true. Now, they’re not, you know, at a high density, but they do exist. And you know that when you become a teenager. And that’s why you start rebelling against your parents, among other reasons. And here’s the kicker. From a military standpoint, you lie to conceal your weakness or your failure because you don’t want to advertise things to your potential adversaries that can lose the next war. And so what you tell the American people is that you can’t handle the truth. And that is what I consider to be the main rationale for all this secrecy. And so did Dwight D. Eisenhower on his farewell address calling out the military industrial complex. I think he realized that he had sort of lost control and that this this gaslighting had gone on beyond whatever level of influence that he could have. So here’s my claim, however. Abductions are the elephant in the UFO room. I prefer the term UFO because the word phenomenon or or, you know, aerial just doesn’t capture the solid aspect of things. It tends to cast doubt and it tends to reinforce the notion that our own military people can’t tell the difference between swamp gas and a flying saucer. So the age old, you know, seminal case of Benny and Barney Hill, what folks constantly miss is the abundance of physical corroborative evidence involved in this. They had magnetic circles on their vehicles that would spin a compass when they got home. Their watches broke. Betty had a torn dress with mysterious stains. And as of just yesterday, Kathy Martin, her niece, confirmed for me that the materials that were on that dress are quite mysterious and not in the typical isotopic chemical concentrations that you might expect from common components, common elements and compounds. You’ve got Barney’s scuffed shoes. Now, I got to tell you, as part of my demerits that I collected at West Point was for having scuffed shoes. And, you know, you spend a lot of time spit shining your shoes. And so for somebody to have destroyed shoes on their tips, it makes no sense that they would do that as part of some ridiculous hope. There’s nothing that is good coming out of making up a story about this. But perhaps the most compelling of all is, you know, this notion of scientific repeatable evidence. Here’s the star map that Betty recalled. And it was confirmed by Marjorie Fish several years later that it actually does capture precisely the constellation of Zeta Reticuli that her captors told her about. And then there’s an abundance of radar data and corroborating witnesses that are forthcoming. And again, I direct everyone to Kathy Martin’s multiple books on the subject for more detail on that. But now let’s combine the two. These PRP qualified witnesses have also been abductees. And I can’t imagine a stronger case than that of Terry Lovelace, featured here as a sergeant who went on a camping trip with his best buddy and 20, 30 years later, ends up having a numb, anomalous problem with his knee as he’s jogging. And come to find out, he finds in x-rays these clear indicators here of implanted devices that certainly don’t have any sort of typical anomalous tissue sorts of explanation. There is no prosaic explanation for these being in his lower leg. So this is his representation of the beings that took him aboard and performed some very terrifying experiments on him. But as Terry and I have discussed many times over the years, he went from an angry young man like myself who wanted to literally kept weapons under his pillow to try to kill the beings that were coming after him as a kid. But this guy, Dr. Bug, who refers to in his book, The Incident at Devil’s Den, he at one point looked over at Terry and told him to stop screaming and sort of chastised him and told him, look, we are not going to hurt you. You know, we’re not going to hurt you. So quit screaming and knock it off. And then he reaches over and touches him in the head and, boop, he’s out like a light. So I consider that to be evidence of compassion to a certain extent. But the really big smoking gun here is Terry’s cell phone data. This indicates that he climbed six flights of stairs in less than a minute between 5.32 and 5.33 in the morning on the same night that he had an abduction experience. So how does a man climb six flights of stairs in a one story house? So again, direct your attention to his second book, Devil’s Den, The Reckoning, for more detail on that. He turned both of his phones over to me to do detailed analysis on that. And I will be including that in my book when I get down to it. But this to me is the smoking gun radar data equivalent for abductions that you get with censored data and multiple corroborative witnesses for UFOs and UAPs. But Terry is by far not the only one. Mario Woods, another very highly qualified elite security forces team member on a nuclear launch facility, has a wide number of overlapping features with his story that overlap with Terry and many others. There are hundreds, if not thousands of us. So again, here’s the gaslighting factor that keeps coming back, back and back again. And what I have to ask, what I have to demand, this is my little whistleblower side of things, is the way that these guys are treated is a horrific abuse of our national security. It’s a threat to our national security because you got to think to yourself, if we keep treating our witnesses like this, it won’t take long before they won’t report anything to us. And that is exactly what has happened. And so now we are a blind military without information, especially even if you want to believe that some of these beings are adversarial and malignant, then why would you not try to gather as much information as possible? That makes no sense. To blind the Department of Defense by obfuscating and suppressing reporting makes no sense at all. It is counterintuitive and it is counter to the security of this country as well as many others. And to the security of the globe. So here’s the paradox. I believe that the vast majority of my colleagues, both in uniform and as a retired government scientist myself, as civilians, the vast majority of them are participating in this gas lighting cover up, either unwittingly or with good intentions to keep the kids from losing sleep at night. However, I’ve also got to say that the only way I’m going to forgive them is if they admit failure, that they can’t protect all of us. Look, lights in the sky, that’s not a scary enough thing. Even footprints on the ground. Okay, so we got some of these. Some of these vehicles may be carrying around either extraterrestrials or interdimensional beings or maybe they’re biological robots. But that in itself is not scary enough. Being kidnapped and taken out of your bed or watching your children being taken out of your bed while you’re paralyzed, or you’re taken with them and still paralyzed and you can’t intervene on their behalf. That is a universal right across species, especially for mothers, to do whatever they need to do to protect their own kin. And that is a violation that they need to admit to if we’re going to forgive them. Now, this begs the question, okay, why is Lou Elizondo still alive? Why is Dave Rush still alive? My belief is that over the years from these crash retrieval projects, we actually have developed an appreciable level of technology that we can protect some of us. We can shoot down some of these UAPs, UFOs, unfortunately, some of them are the good guys or the less than malevolent ones, and that’s a problem in its own right, but that is the paradox. Now, let’s look at some of the evidence of benevolence. In Robert Hastings’ book in 2008, UFOs and Nukes, he talks about this mysterious orb hovering over Chernobyl for several minutes and firing beams of directed energy that looked crimson in color and immediately, well, shortly thereafter, reducing the radiation level by 75%. When you look at Fukushima, similar activities. In fact, there’s so much activity at Fukushima that a couple of years ago, they set up an international laboratory to study UFOs because they’re coming around so often. And then, you know, over and above the nuclear issue, you have the case of Travis Walton, who after being, you know, hit by some sort of electrostatic discharge that essentially killed him. He woke up with a device on his chest, and he was healed by two sets of what he describes as extraterrestrial beings, some very human looking, the others, you know, typical grayish folks. So, you have direct evidence that at least some of these entities riding around in these robots or craft are not trying to harm us, that if anything, they’re trying to help us. They’re trying to prevent us from killing ourselves. Now, another aspect of all this is very interesting to me as a cognitive neuroscientist or cognitive psychologist who dabbles in neuroscience, and what I’ve studied quite a bit is the notion of memory consolidation. So, there’s this sort of computer analogy where the hippocampus area sort of acts like a, that’s these horn-shaped subcomponents in your brain, sort of acts like a router, and it sort of directs your memories as they develop out into the hard drive. And then, you know, that occurs primarily during the consolidation process. It’s ongoing during the day, but it’s really ramped up during sleep. And so, this is what that sort of looks like. The hippocampus has these very strong connections with the cortical areas, your cortex. And then, over the first 24 hours, what you’re doing is you’re rehearsing everything that occurred during the day. And the items, the activities that you rehearse, and we know this from looking at rats when they run through mazes, the very same motor control neurons that fire during the day are the same ones that fire at night. They just don’t activate to the legs. So, we know that we rehearse our activities over the course of the evening during sleep, and that’s why sleep is so important to memory and learning. And then, over the next 48 hours, the next 24 after that, you gradually, those memories migrate from the hippocampus here out into the cortex. So, finally, you have this long-term memory out here. So, the key is that emotional content is really what makes the stronger, more durable memories. And this is why, you know, I used to ask my cadets, I would do this little experiment, you know, if they could remember the first time that they were kissed, or the first time they got in a fight of some sort, fist fight or an argument or whatever. And then I would ask them what they had for lunch in the mess hall two days ago, and they couldn’t remember what they had in lunch, you know, a couple days ago, but they could remember the first time they were kissed or the first time they had a fight on the playground at five years old. So, it’s those deep emotional memories that survived that consolidation process, and the others just sort of wither away. And this is one of the reasons that I would always scramble my seating during classes. And this is why I would use this tape boards exercise, because it’s terrifying. You have to draw your homework up on a chalkboard, or the old days used to be chalkboards, now it’s whiteboards, of course, for everyone to see. And so, it was public humiliation, if you forgot your homework, like I typically did with a 2.4 GPA, or on the other side, if you maxed it, you felt very good about yourself. So by pushing that emotional content, folks could remember better. And of course, PTSD is sort of the undesirable aspect of that. If you have a traumatic, deep emotional activity, you want to forget it, but you can’t, because this consolidation process has gone off the rails, and there’s a chemical aspect to it, etc. But my point is that if we apply these neurotransmitter blockers like we know how to do, you can actually interfere with the development of PTSD, of trauma. So this begs the question, is the memory problem, the memory recall issue that so many abductees report, is that evidence of a benevolent or compassionate approach? They know that we’re terrified. So what they do is they remove our memory of it, so that we can go on to live relatively emphasis, relatively productive lives. By the way, Terry Lovelace, one of the things that makes him such a prominent example of a resilient abductee is he went on, not only did he become a lawyer, he became an assistant DA and assistant deputy general, or attorney general for the state of Vermont and Samoa. So tremendous, fabulous career, despite having an abundance of traumatic, you know, events throughout his life and his relationship in there. So if his memory had not been tampered with, or oppressed, or suppressed, or obfuscated, would he have been able to lead such a productive career? So you know, when we look at the way we treat animals, and when we’re doing our science, look at polar bears, what do we do? We take this helicopter, we swoop in on them, kind of like a flying saucer, we knock them out with tranquilizers, we weigh them, here’s a mom and a baby cub, and then we analyze, we take little scoops out of their flesh, their fat, and we analyze what’s in that fat to determine where the Russians are testing nuclear weapons. We’ve done that for decades. And so by tracking radiation absorption in polar bears, you got to wonder, is that what the NHI are doing with us? Are we galactic polar bears? Are we being taken to look at the damage that our own nuclear weapons and our own nuclear power are creating for us as well as the planet overall? And why don’t we, we know how to do this, you know, we can interfere with memory consolidation. Now after memory has developed, you can’t totally erase it, but you can interfere with that routing and that recall. So why don’t we do that with our own pets, when we bring them to the vets? Begs the question of morality. Now, the other side of the coin is that there may be some evidence of malevolence, certainly the vast majority of abductee experiences are reported as being horrifically terrifying. Some of that is just the fear of the unknown. And let’s face it, you know, swooping down and grabbing us in the middle of the day, when we have no control over it, rather than asking us, hey, would you mind if we took a sample out of your, your fat or whatever? There’s a whole series of missing people reports that David Pilates does a great job of analyzing. And some of them are absolutely terrifying. And there’s even some evidence of human mutilations. And there’s Stringfield talks about the unspeakables and the John, Jonathan Lovett case down at Holloman Air Force Base. And then the Todd Seeds case, which is absolutely terrifying. Case of a hunter who went out on his ATV and his boot was found up in a tree, which Woodkowski reported on that at MUFON, which is no longer with us. But you can look at his, some of his reports. Now, some of that is a bit weak, and you’ve got to ask yourself, why is it weak? Has it been tampered with? Has it been obfuscated? In any case, it’s not the same as no evidence. So that begs the question, if you got good ETs and bad ETs, is there a galactic police force of some sort? Well, when you look at the density of various descriptions of ETs, it’s not one over the world, everything looks like a little gray. There’s a wide variety. Richard Dolan in his most recent book, Alien Agendas, does a great job of pointing this out that we’re not just in a single new species sort of paradigm. This is highly indicative of a galactic society of some sort that maybe we’re on the threshold of being invited into, whether we want to or not, or at least we’re on the verge of that. And then Kathy Martin’s book, Forbidden Knowledge, she talks about the Council of Eight, and I direct you to her book to consider that perspective. So is there any additional information? This is a highly respected retired general, Hyman Shedd, who made the statement in 2021 that Donald Trump had been read in, and that the United States, among other countries, has interaction with a galactic federation, and he also claims that there is a cohabited base on this surface of Mars that’s dug underground. So again, very challenging claims, and the evidence is not forthcoming, but does that mean that it doesn’t exist? It could be obfuscated. It could be part of this entire gaslighting effort. So you’ve got bads and goods, but the evidence of benevolent and compassionate behavior on behalf of these entities, these NHIs, far outweighs the malevolent evidence. But of course, no police force can ever be 100% effective. In fact, we do have rapes that occur. We do have child trafficking, but 99% of the bioclimate, at least in the United States, is committed by about 1% of the population. And I think that really pretty well holds true for the rest of the planet, plus or minus, I don’t know, 3% or 4%. But the overwhelming aspect of life is that we don’t really have to carry our weapons around when we walk out on the streets, at least not here in Denver, and the vast majority of the United States is that way. Now, you can choose to bring one if you want, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to have that with you. So we’ve got these ultra-advanced adversaries. What’s our best chance to handle that? I mean, you know, there are a multitude of ufologists in the Benevolent Space Brothers world that claim that we should just get along with them. But what do we do with the malevolent ones, the very small percentage? One way that we might approach it is to make friends with the other ultra-advanced species. And if you’ve got enough friends on the malevolent side, then maybe they’ll gang up on the malevolent guys and sort of protect us from, you know, the dolphin hunters and the whale killers. And of course, you know, the big thing is to appeal to them, please take us off the menu, please quit taking us out of our beds. We are sentient beings. We are dolphins. We are not sharks. And we are not the killer bees. You know, when I compare us to, you know, dolphins and polar bears, I think that’s indicative of my inherent human anthropomorphic arrogance, right? I don’t think we’re anywhere near that level on the galactic society level. I think we’re much more like insects. But in any case, honeybees can be welcomed by humans. I mean, we depend on them, for crying out loud. So you know, not only would we welcome them into our society, we may help them out. We may rescue them just so that they can cross-pollinate our crops. But if we end up coming out into the big bad world, coming out into the big bad galactic realm, with guns blazing and shooting first, asking questions later, we may end up in the killer bee side of the world and candidates for eradication. And so that’s my attempt to be upbeat and to embrace the silver lining that, you know, we have this divided nature right now here in this country, as well as many others. And the point is that the disasters and this disclosure of our status, very low on the galactic totem pole, that can bring us together as one team. As long as we maintain mutual respect and bleed purple instead of being radically oriented on one side or another. And then in terms of a global unity, as my buddy Hussein Al-Baidy refers to, look at this distribution of languages. We are coming together, especially here in the United States and in other English speaking countries, huge uptick. And I credit a lot of this to the internet and apps that we have on our phones that are helping us translate. And that’s, you know, after learning four languages myself, it is really important to be able to develop confidence. Most difficult thing to do when you’re speaking a foreign language is to speak it because you’re worried about being made fun of. But now with these apps, you can practice it a little bit while you’re on the bus before you get off and, you know, order a beer or whatever you’re going to do at the restaurant. So final points, don’t let robots steal all the risk or love. That’s the underlying aspect of my first book. That should be out here soon. It’s going into review by DOPSER. Hopefully that’ll be out within the next couple of months. Look for collaborative teaming opportunities and forgive those who trespass against us. Both our own cabal in the military industrial complex, as well as, you know, the folks there that are extracting us off the surface of the ice flows as galactic polar bears. And that’s me. And one final point is, you know, the DOD has been in control of the whole UAP UFO disclosure effort or not disclosure effort, but the whole issue for close to a century. Is it time maybe that we give the Department of State a role or at least a lead? I don’t see any discussion by anybody at the Department of State, at least in the United States. Other countries are different, but I close with that. And I guess I’d open up to any questions back over to you, Jim. Great. Thank you, John. Why don’t you turn off your screen share? Okay. And let’s see. See, it’s still, there we go. Oh, did we lose John? I’m still with you. Oh, good. Well, let’s see if you turn off on your video now. See if the reception’s any better. Yes. Try again. One more time. Good. Well, let’s just see. It may be a little bit of a lag, but first of all, thank you. This has been really impressive and I’m very grateful for the kind of the logical precision with which you’ve delivered this material. Well, thank you, sir. I want to start with this irony and this kind of tragic paradox of the military repressing its own personnel in such a systemic way. And as a military man yourself who has been really immersed in the military for many, many years, trained at West Point and so forth and so on, how do you understand the, I know that they did it. The question would be, why do you believe that they did it and sustain this in such a ferocious way for so long? Yeah. I think it’s similar to the dark side of Santa Claus. It is an effort to allow people to sleep at night. As I said, you know, lights buzzing around in the sky, not a big worry. Even other critters, you know, walking around on the planet, not scary enough. But if you told me, if you showed me body parts that were aboard a flying saucer, or if you showed me a mutilated human body that looked like some of the cattle mutilations and horse mutilations that Linda Moulton Howe reported on early in her career, along with many others, you could have convinced me to suppress that secret and to try to bring the other kids on the block into the Santa Claus conspiracy. That would have worked for me back in 1979. Now I want to be clear, I have never been read in on any UAP, UFO, special access program of any sort. And I forgot to mention that on my opening slide, that little disclaimer thing. I don’t have to do that because I was never read in on any of that stuff. I ran some of my own special access programs, but it was related to robotics, not with anything to do with this effort. But that’s what it would have taken to convince me to join the cabal, is to be that scared of my kids being taken out of their bedrooms at night. And I think that’s the underpinning for the entire level of secrecy. That’s how you can get good people to do harmful things to their friends and buddies, to keep them quiet. It’s the rationalization. I’m not saying it’s right. And now I think the reason why Lou Elizondo is still alive and the reason why Dave Grush is still alive is because the reverse engineering that has occurred over the past half a century or so, I think it is successful enough now that we can, we being the military industrial complex can protect a fairly significant portion of the populace from these abduction activities. Unfortunately, kind of like I mentioned with the killer bees, there’s some collateral damage. They may be shooting down. We may be shooting down some of the good guys as well as some of the bad guys. And that’s where we have to be very, very careful that we don’t end up going the killer bee route rather than being honeybees in the galaxy. I know that was a long answer to a short question, Jim, I apologize. Thank you. Take your time on these questions. They’re big questions and they require thoughtful responses. Now, let me ask you a follow up questions about the abduction phenomenon as you understand it. How extensive do you believe this is? Is it a number in the hundreds? Is it the thousands? Is it largely limited to the United States or say and Russia and China, the nuclear possessing countries primarily? Is it a global phenomenon? What’s your understanding of the scope of the abductions? So my library back there behind me is largely from my dad, as well as some of my own personal research. You know, while other soldiers were reading Playboy magazine and so forth, I was reading UFO books, staff duty officer or whatever. And what I can say from the literature, the abundance of literature as a, as I guess a research scholar in this realm is, number one, it is certainly not limited to just the U.S. It is certainly a global phenomenon to a very strong correlation between nuclear weapons testing and the abduction geography, if you will, or demographics, if you will. And it’s not just right at the site of where the test was, it’s where the follow ends up, right? And so as you get this plume that gradually expands and gets up to what, flight level 30 or so, 30, 40,000 feet, and then it drifts with whatever the predominant winds are, and then wherever it cools and it comes back down, that’s where you need to start sampling the polar bears. And so with Cold War testing in the upper latitudes of Eurasia, you know, it makes sense that you would look at, you know, the Northeastern United States where Benny and Barney Hill were taken, where that cooling has occurred after it comes. So there’s a lot of that aspect to it. That’s the second point. And then the third point is based on Steve Aspin’s books and John Mack and Bud Hopkins, so many people, not to mention Kathy Martin, Denise Stoner, so many people who have published really impressive work on this subject, just because it’s not in a peer-reviewed journal article, how do you, it’s part of the invisible college. So it may not be acceptable to, you know, the arrogant academic world who restrict their perspective to peer-reviewed journal articles, although we’re getting better with that, with the Soul Foundation, a lot of these UAP-oriented efforts, hopefully we’ll get into that realm. But that’s all you have right now. So when you look at all these folks, Richard Dolan, a lot of these folks who have this tremendous buildup of literature, you do find what appears to be another strong correlation in epigenetics, that it tends to run in families. And so those are the three trends that I’m aware about. And they make sense, especially if you’re talking about the influence of, I’ll call it nuclear pollution on the global society and life that spans across, not just directly on the animals, but the notion of bioconcentration where the food that the deer are eating in the vicinity of Chernobyl, and then the bigger fish eat the bigger fish, eat the bigger fish, you bioconcentrate, and in order to get an appreciation for what level of concentration that occurs, you know, you got to kind of sample throughout that family as it goes. So you’re also getting an indicator of the pollution being ingested by plant life, and all throughout, you know, the water column or the entire ecosystem. What would you say about the assertion of Stephen Greer, for example, that many, if not most of the abductions are actually conducted by humans, and not sort of legitimate UFOs, extraterrestrials, and he believes that many of the, if not most of the UAP UFO sightings and so forth and so on are actually advanced human technology, and that that’s also responsible for most of the abductions. What’s your view of Stephen Greer’s perspective? Well, I have an enormous amount of respect for Stephen. I’ve been to the field with him on more than one occasion. I agree with the vast majority of his effort. But as I mentioned in my critical thinking about critical thinking, I, we got to be very careful about saying all about anything. So my claim is that, well, well, secondly, that’s my first point. The second point is that I asked Bob Dean about this point blank back in 2008. When I first met him, I was very troubled about some of these reports, and I asked him point blank, Sergeant Major, are any of our brothers and sisters in uniform involved in this? And he looked at, I’m getting goosebumps as I recount this story, and it was kind of an ambush in a hallway at a conference, and he looked at me straight in the eyes, he always did, just a wonderful, very powerful soul. But he was embarrassed. And he looked down at the floor, and he’s holding his cane, and he looked at his cane for a little bit. And then he looked back up at me. And he said, yes, we have been involved. But you got to understand, we had no choice, because they were going to do it anyway. So it’s kind of like you have our folks in uniform with the blue UN helmets that are observers. And all you can do is observe. So that was Sergeant Major Dean’s perspective. But it was few and far between. It was a sprinkling, and it certainly wasn’t our guys, you know, ripping people open, and then sewing them up with advanced technology, kind of like you see on Star Trek. And you get this long scar, or these long needles like Betty Hill talked about, and there’s a lot of terrifying procedures that I already mentioned. So I do not think that we are specifically doing it. I think we are, we have folks in uniform that are there as observers. In fact, Terry Lovelace in his book talks about how when he was there, I don’t know if anyone was there with Dr. Bug laying on the table with the rest of the little gray guys around it, but he does talk about seeing a human being in a beige or tan flight suit with some sort of orange patch on, and the guy was ignoring him. And so, and he was not involved in any of the procedures. So I would defer to Terry for more on that. But that’s my take on it. And I do not think that the USS Enterprise should launch out into the galaxy without phasers or photon torpedoes. Because even if there’s only 1%, you don’t want to have zero weapons when you come up, I guess, it’s just kind of, it’s kind of like what I was talking about with a mom who has the universal right to protect her cubs. So she’s not going to grind down her claws. I mean, everybody has, every species has the right to protect themselves, whether or not it’s an orcas teeth, or ramming into the back of a sailboat because their sonars are messing with their young or whatever it happens to be. So that’s another issue I have with the Bonneville Space Brothers approach is I think I am like 99% with them. I’m all on board. But don’t ask me to leave my pistol behind, you know, when we go out into grizzly territory. Yeah, no, good point. And then just finally, before we close here, John, I’d like to have you discuss this whole issue of amnesty. Because I know, you know, being in Washington as I am and tracking the legislation for further disclosure, that’s an issue that consistently comes up. What do you do in the disclosure process with the people, as you’ve indicated, that have actively repressed the release of this information? And as David Grush said, in his congressional testimony last July 26, even engaged in murder to keep people from speaking out. And so do we embrace the South African model of a truth and reconciliation commission? Do we have sort of time limits, anything over 25 years ago, we don’t bother with? Where do you come out on the issue of amnesty for the people who engaged in unconstitutional, illegal acts to repress the truth? Yeah, that’s a great question. Very insightful of you. And thank you, Jim. As I mentioned to you, when we first talked, geez, I guess about a month ago or so, I did visit Kirsten Gillibrand’s office and I dropped off a copy of Terry Lovelace’s second book to try to get her to take some sort of action to get the Department of State involved. I think the military has had this long enough. We had control of this for what, 80 years, probably, possibly longer than that. And we’ve kind of fumbled it. Everything was okay up until 9-11. And now we’re just coming off of another 20 years of war. How long are we going to keep cranking this sort of war machine along? So I think it’s time for the Department of State to get very heavily involved along the lines of honeybees instead of killer bees. I don’t know if they should have the lead on that. That is up to politicians and folks with a legal background like Danny and yourself. And Terry would be a great representative to get involved with that as an adductee himself and having a long, very distinguished career as a lawyer and Assistant DA and Attorney General. So I would love to get Terry in front of Congress, much like David Grush had his chance. We need to hear from Terry Lovelace. We need to hear from Mario Woods. And we need to hear from a large number of other very credible PRP qualified abductees to weigh in on this so we can crack this thing further. I think the abduction phenomenon is like the last crack. It’s the last straw because then it’s wide open. And it does give the legacy folks a leg to stand on. It is rational to have them run black programs to reverse engineer advanced technology if we’re trying to get a very small portion. It’s not zero. I don’t agree with Stephen on that. It’s not zero, but a small portion of the galactic society that are criminals. And I think this notion, I’m not sure if there is a galactic federation. I kind of hope there would be to kind of weigh in this 1% that’s doing horrific things, not for science, but for some other reason. Maybe they’re eating us. I don’t know. I would like to think that there’s some entity like that. But that’s where the diplomats of the world, the legal professionals of the world need to get involved. And that’s, I think, the next step. And that’s what I’ve been pushing for, as I mentioned to you several weeks ago, is to get these folks in front of Congress, just like Dave. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Well, thank you so much, John. I’m talking to Terry, actually, later today. We finally connected. So, I’m hopeful of having him on Humanity Rising in just a little bit. But thank you so much for this extraordinary presentation. Now, we didn’t get a chance. Are you able to stay a few minutes longer in our after chat? Sure. Oh, good. Because I know a number of people have been wanting to know if you were going to do it. So, it’s another link. You’ll see the link in the chat box that Stan will put up in a minute. And you received it in your Zoom invite. And that’s where we switched to Zoom meeting where everybody can see one another. So, it doesn’t need to take much of your time. But I think people would welcome an informal interaction. Yes, go ahead. I would love to do that. I wanted to make one final point, though. Sure. I was really disappointed when Dave Grushburst came out by the number of folks in the UFO witness community that there was a backlash against him. And my caution to society at large is if every time a military whistleblower comes out, you trash him, how can you expect anybody else to come forward? We’ve got to treat each other compassionately, especially when you’re talking to abductees. These folks have been through hell. And if you disagree with them, fine, take it offline. But we need to be as, you know, the golden rule. We need to treat others as we would hope to be treated. And that’s just my final point of reference for the true heroes out there like Dave and Lou and all of the other whistleblowers that will continue to come forward. You know, the Bob Jacobs of the world, Mario, Lou. I could go on and on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Good point. Amnesty starts and forgiveness starts with those who are courageous enough to speak the truth for sure. Right. For sure. So thank you, John. Thank you, everyone, to a close for today. You’ll see the link for the after chat if you want to join with John in a more informal conversation for a few minutes. And then you receive the after chat link in your Zoom reminder for today. And then we’ll have our session tomorrow with Michelle Dupree on clairvoyance and matter of extraterrestrial communication. So that’ll be tomorrow on Humanity Rising. Thank you, everyone. Enjoy your weekend. Bye.

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