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Lt. Col. John Blitch — Ross Coulthart / NewsNation “Reality Check” interview (Jan 26 2025)

• Speaker: Lt. Col. John Blitch (Ret.), interviewed by Ross Coulthart. ~1h16m. Part of Coulthart’s Jake Barber crash-retrieval story.
• YouTube: https://youtu.be/q38SwPmObho (NewsNation, 2025-01-26)
• Captured: 2026-05-29 via yt-dlp audio → Whisper.
• Primary for blitch-darpa-abduction-claimant. Content: his verifiable CV (Pershing II nuclear battery commander, Special Forces detachment commander, troop commander at the Combat Applications Group/Delta, DARPA AI/robotics PM, cognitive neuroscientist, Ground Zero robotics); he VOUCHES for Jake Barber; and his own abduction/NHI-contact claims (“I know that I was visited by non-human entities… three irrefutable experiences”; childhood “beings… with huge dark eyes” at the window; a “biological robot” abduction; a forthcoming book on the abduction phenomenon).
• NOTE: Whisper auto-transcript; verify quotes against audio before load-bearing citation.

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G’day and welcome to Reality Check in the continuing series of full-length interviews with the people who were part of our UAP primetime special Hunting UFOs. Today it’s Lt. Col. John Blitch. He was another of the interviewees who strongly backed the credibility of our primary interviewee in that story, Jake Barber. Col. Blitch has an impressive CV. He’s a former Pershing 2 nuclear missile battery commander, a special forces detachment commander, and he was a troop commander at the Combat Applications Group, otherwise known as Delta Force, one of the most elite units in the U.S. military. For those who are unfamiliar, Delta Force is a top Tier 1 special mission unit along with the Navy’s DevGru, that’s the SEAL Team 6, and the U.S. Air Force’s 24th Special Tactics Squadron. It’s very rare to get someone with a Delta Force background speaking on the record and willing to step forward like Col. Blitch. John’s also been a program manager at DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, developing an expertise in artificial intelligence and tactical mobile robotics, as well as advanced camouflage systems for the individual warfighter. He holds a bachelor’s degree in environmental engineering, a master’s degree in math and computer science, and a second master’s degree and doctorate in cognitive psychology. This is not some ordinary grunt. He’s an open-minded cognitive scientist who also served as a visiting professor at the U.S. Air Force Academy, as well as as a consultant for the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, NASA, and other agencies. And as you’ll hear today in this full interview, he also has a forthcoming book on the abduction phenomenon, in which he tells the story of his own encounter with non-human intelligences, NHI. Here’s Col. John Blitch. So Col. John Blitch, it’s an honor to be talking to you. Well thank you. It’s an honor to be here with you. Tell me a little bit about who you are. What’s your background? Well, I guess, let me see, in a nutshell, I’m an army nuke turned, I guess, Green Beret, dabbled in hostage rescue, turned robot geek, turned cognitive psychologist. You were at the one stage, at the very top, one of the elite of America’s special operations peoples. Well, I wasn’t. I was part of that unit. I would say that I was tolerated while I was there, but yes, I did serve there for about three and a half years. Right. And in your time in the military, did anybody ever talk UFOs? No, no. I have never had any official discussions about UFOs or extraterrestrials or interdimensionals or anything. Did you ever think about it? All the time. Now, why? Tell our audience why. What happened to you? Well, several very deep, emotional, terrifying, what I considered to be dreams at the time, and I still consider them to be dreams, all the way up until 2018. And there were several incidents that convinced me otherwise, that I could not scientifically attribute to dreamscape. What happened? So my dreams as a kid were terrifying beyond a normal fear. You know, I’ve been shot at, I’ve been in mock POW camps, slapped around. I’ve had a number of emergency response, very deep traumatic activities, pulling people out of wrecks. You were at Ground Zero, weren’t you? Yeah, I was at Ground Zero. I was also at Ground Zero in two places. One was the Oklahoma City bombing. The other was at the World Trade Center the day of 9-11, that evening, actually. So I’ve had plenty of trauma and reason to fear. But these other experiences were terrifying to the point of paralysis. And so I can’t dismiss them as I have other, and process them as I have with other traumatic experiences. Are you okay about talking about what you saw? I am. If I, you know, you’ll see a lot of times when I’m talking about some of these irrefutable experiences, I’ll rub my arms or whatever, because I get a chill down my spine and you get, you know, the classic chicken skin that is indicative of terror versus just fear. And a lot of my colleagues have the same. What happened to you? What were those traumatic incidents? So a variety of them in childhood, but again, I scientifically, as a skeptic, myself as a kid, dismissed those. What did you see as a child? What do you think was happening? I saw beings through my bedroom window, staring at me with huge dark eyes, here we go, that scared the bejesus out of me. And it was terrifying to the point of paralysis. And you told yourself as a child, it was some kind of dream. Not just me. I told my parents I would scream once I returned to a state where I could scream. So a lot of folks I know as a cognitive psychologist, I used to claim that I was a cognitive neuroscientist. I dabble in neuroscience. But cognitive psychology is very clear about a lot of behavioral mechanisms that we use when we’re afraid. And paralysis, with many of us, when we’re in that terror mode, you’re paralyzed to the point where you open your mouth and you try to scream and you can’t. And so it was like that. As soon as that paralysis was lifted, I screamed to holy hell and my parents came running in and they tried to calm me down, both my dad and my mom. My dad was an aerospace physicist who I pushed back routinely on, especially for lecturing me about the great Santa Claus conspiracy. And it infuriated me that he was trying to push this ridiculous notion of this chubby guy orbiting the earth with a sack of presents, like John Glenn, who he would lecture me to. So I didn’t take a lot of what he was telling me, that there are no such thing as monsters, there are no such thing as little spacemen with big eyes, there’s no such thing as people, and just trying to calm me down. Much like I claim our government is doing to us about this subject. So let’s start with that. Do you believe that we are being visited by non-human intelligences on this planet? So I’d like that you use that word belief, because there’s a broad range between belief and knowledge. I asked you last night where and when you were born, and a lot of us automatically consider that to be a fact, because we’re told it time after time after time, and we’re shown birth certificates. But I don’t know that I was born in Idaho Falls, Idaho in 1959. I have to believe it, because I don’t have any alternative. But I do know that I attended Burke Elementary School in Peabody, Massachusetts in my young years. I know that I attended Peabody Veterans Memorial High School from all of the deep emotional experiences that I had. So emotion is a really, really important aspect of this. So I know that. The reason that I believe that we, well, no, I’m going to say that I know that I was visited by non-human entities. I know that for a fact. From childhood? No, I believe, in retrospect, that those childhood instances were of the same nature. But I have three, what I consider to be irrefutable experiences. Okay, let’s talk about those irrefutable experiences. What convinced you that irrefutably, there is a non-human intelligence that’s been engaging with you in particular? Okay. Well, dreams don’t cause bruises. And I had, I woke up after a terrifying night with some very mysterious circumstances surrounded by my, prior to my going to bed, I woke up with three dark bruises on the inside of my right bicep. Not my left, just my right. And there was another bruise up here. And the only way that I can imagine those bruises occurring was with that sort of a grasp. A three-fingered hand. Four fingers, because one was on the back. I suppose, yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t, I don’t, I could not, and I racked my brain time after time to try to come up with some way that I could have those three almost puncture kinds of bruises on the, I can’t even, I can’t even reach that. But there’s another aspect of the, of the anomalous behavior with that. And that is as soon as I got up in the morning, I went straight downstairs to get a video camera to film it. And that is totally anonymous behavior for me. Now I’m no, you know, like a lot of tier one guys, I’m no stranger to the gym, but I’ve never done, you know, bodybuilding or posing or any of the rest of that stuff. I’ve never taken a picture of myself in the mirror. Why the heck would I do that on that particular morning? It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s not a rational behavior. Do you believe you’ve been abducted? That experience leads me to believe that. Yes, absolutely. Because I clearly didn’t want to go if something, somebody or a non-human entity, I think it was a biological robot, but I didn’t want to go where it wanted me to go. So technically that is the definition of an abduction, right? You never had any exposure to UAPs in the course of your operations as a serviceman? Nope. I was hired in on a number of special activity or special access programs. I started one myself and didn’t get anywhere. It was canceled about a month after I started it. So I’ve been in that realm quite a bit, but none of it had anything to do with UFOs, aliens or anything like that. What do you think of the idea that we are being visited by a non-human intelligence? I mean, why, why would a non-human intelligence, an alien being sneak into your bedroom at night when you were a little boy? Yeah. So to me, it’s a, it’s a numbers game, right? When you, when you look at the age of the earth, when you look at the billions of stars seen by Hubble and then galaxies seen by web, I mean, the numbers are just astronomical. So when all of that stuff, it makes no sense that we’re the only, it’s such an arrogant perspective to take that we’re the only ones. So in and amongst all of that, a wide variety of visitors have come to our little island in the ocean, just like a wide variety of visitors came to the West Indies and came here and there. So here’s the counter question I would pose to anybody that would ask me this, I pose to you. If you were part of a culture sailing from Australia, you know, westward or eastward, wherever you want to go, and you come across an island full of life, are you just going to sit there or are you going to study it? It is a natural curiosity that all beings have. And so I believe that at least one or two, from my perspective, two species are visiting us and I feel like many other abductees, like a lab rat, that we are being prodded and poked and experimented with as part of scientific discovery. You’re a former, very senior, high-ranking Tier 1 operator. Okay. I consider myself middle management, but that’s okay. You’ve had a top-secret SCI clearance at times? Oh, far before going into that world. I had a TSSCI and a bunch of other clearances as a nuclear weapons delivery officer. You were entrusted with guarding nuclear weapons and deploying them if necessary in combat? No, not just guarding them. I was a Pershing 2 missile battery commander. Not a very good one. I happened to be placed in charge. I was blessed with the opportunity to command troops on five separate occasions. The first one of those was as a Pershing 2 missile battery commander. But the particular point about people who are put in charge of nuclear missile silos, nuclear missile batteries, is you have to be emotionally stable. Yes. And the way that we establish that is through the Personnel Reliability Program, the PRP. And so one of the critical factors there is that as a BC, as a battery commander, every morning I had to review the sick slips for everybody under my command that went on sick call and I had to determine whether or not they were still fit for nuclear duties. So if anything, if there’s a domestic disturbance at home, if they get administered narcotics, I have to remove them from their duties and it’s a problem because others got to fill in for them. So it’s a problematic situation. So all of them, all of us, were heavily scrutinized, more so than even some of the other UAP witnesses. I know I have the utmost respect for David Fravor, Alex Dietrich, for Ryan Graves, and all of the credibility and reliability that they have to fly that $15million,$18, $30millionjet.Buti{t}^{\prime }sdifferentwhenyoucanstartWorldWarIII.AnF-18is{n}^{\prime }tgoingtostartWorldWarIIIunlessitlaunchesanuke.MyguyscouldstartWorldWarIII.Andsothoserecords,theirmedicalrecords,areactuallylockedawayinaseparatepartoftheclinicunderintensescrutinybecauseofthatfactor.SoJohnBlitchwasaparticularlystablepersontobeinchargeofanuclearmissilebattery.Thatmightbeagoodquestiontoaskmydaughtersormywife,butarguably,I^{\prime }mnottellingyouthat,theUnitedStatesArmyistellingyouthatbecausetheykeptmeinthatrole.Andyetyouaresayingyo{u}^{\prime }vehadencounterswithnon-humanbeings.Notjustme.TherearefourotherPRP-qualifiedmilitaryabducteeswhohavegoneonrecord.Andsothisismyquestiontoyou.AndTerryLovelaceisprobablythemostprominentofall.AndMarioWoods,JeffGoodrich,BobJacobs,whoIknowyo{u}^{\prime }vetalkedabout,andofcourseRobertHastings,whoinvestigatedallthisandhimselfwasanabductee.Her{e}^{\prime }sthething,isifyouca{n}^{\prime }ttrustasergeantwhowasinthePRPandhadthisexperienceandthenwentontoleavetheAirForceandnotonlyriseupthroughtheranksasaprominentlawyer,butbecomeaprosecutorandanassistantattorneygeneralforthestateofVermont.Ifyouca{n}^{\prime }ttrustthatguy.Yo{u}^{\prime }retalkingaboutTerryLovelace?Yes.Howareyougoingtotrust?AndIchallengeanybodyinCongresstohavethatlevelofcredibility.Ther{e}^{\prime }sacorrelationobviouslybetweenyourinvolvementwithnuclearweaponsandyourencounterswiththesebeings,butdoyouthinkther{e}^{\prime }sacausation?Doyouthinkthefactthatyouwereinvolvedwithnuclearweaponsinsuchanintimatewaycausedthemtotakeaninterest?SoIsponsoredwhatwecallaglampouthererecentlywhereweallgetaroundafire.Therearethingsthatmilitarypeopletelleachotheraroundafirethatthe{y}^{\prime }llnottellanybodyelse.I{t}^{\prime }skindofliketheproverbialhairdresser,right?Yourconfessions,hairdresserconfessions.Andwebanteredthataround.W{e}^{\prime }vebeenaroundtheroundthehorncollectively.Chickenoregg?Horseorcar?Didwegetgrabbedbecauseofourproximitytothenuclearindustry?Forme,ther{e}^{\prime }sanotherlevelbecauseIwasbornnexttoanuclearreactor,theArm{y}^{\prime }sfirstnucleartestreactorinIdahoFalls,Idaho.Tha{t}^{\prime }swhereIwasborn.AndsoIhavetowonderaboutthat.SowhatIdoknowfromourownscience,ourownbehavioralscienceandbiologicalscienceiswewouldgrabpolarbears,wewouldabductpolarbearsintheArcticanddothesamethingthattheydotous.Wescooptheirfat,wetaketissuesamples,weprocessthattissuetoanalyzewhetherornottheevilRussianempirewaslaunchingnukesinexcessof20kilotons,50kilotons,amegaton.Andsoi{t}^{\prime }sreallyimportanttonotonlyanalyzewhattheyieldonthoseweaponswere,butwhatthemagnitudeoftheabsorptionintheentirebio,thevegetationandthebioaccumulationofthatvegetationintotheanimals.Sowhywould{n}^{\prime }ttheydothatwithus?Itmakesallthesenseintheworld.Thelogicofitisirrefutable.Alotofpeoplewatchingthisaregoingtobegoing,thisisinsane.Yo{u}^{\prime }resayingyo{u}^{\prime }vebeenabducted.Yo{u}^{\prime }reinchargeofnuclearweapons.Soif{I}^{\prime }minsane,whydidyouputmeinchargeofnukes?WhydidyouletMarioWoodssecurethose?Whydidyoulet...andhehasanotherirrefutableexperiencewherehistruckendsupinthemiddleofArctictundrainSouthDakota,coveredwithiceandsnow,andher{e}^{\prime }sthiscircleofmud,notiretracks.Her{e}^{\prime }sthistruck.I{t}^{\prime }sjustbeendroppedback.Howdoesthathappen?Tha{t}^{\prime }snotadream.Soyoubelievealienbeingsarevisitingthisplanetandtakinganinterestinpeoplelikeyourself?Ther{e}^{\prime }snodoubt.Ther{e}^{\prime }snodoubtinmymindanymore.Icandismissmychildhooddreams.Ica{n}^{\prime }tdismissbruisesonmyarm.Ica{n}^{\prime }tdismissmykidsandmywifetellingmethatIwasgoneforfivehoursapproximatelyforaone-hourbikeride.Sole{t}^{\prime }stellthatstory.Ifindthebikeridestoryfascinating.Whathappened?IhadreturnedfromOklahomaCity,prettytraumaticsituationwheretherewasanamputationfromsomebody.Itwas{n}^{\prime }tme,butherleghadtobeamputatedjusttogetheroutoftherubble.Alotofpeopledo{n}^{\prime }trealizethehorrificdecisionsthatincidentcommandershavetomakeincollapsedstructuresbecauseyouhavetomakethecallastowhetherornottobringinheavyliftmaterial.Youcouldbeliterallysquashingpotentialvictimsasyoubringthisjusttogettoothervictims.Soi{t}^{\prime }sahorrificdecisiontohavetomake.Soverytraumatic.Ihadalotofthatgoingoninmyhead.SoIadoptedamountainbikeridemeditationprotocolontheweekendstoridefrommyhouse,whichhappenedtobeinalittlesprawling,littleyuppiekindofsuburbofDenvercalledHighlandsRanch.Andatthattimein1995,MacArthurRanchwasanundevelopedarea,soitwasaboutsevenmilesaway.AndsoIgotonmymountainbikeandIwouldrideuptoaplacecalledDanielsPark,whichisnowheavilydeveloped.Butatthattime,itwas{n}^{\prime }t,anditwasagorgeousplacetogoupandmeditatewiththeRockyMountains.IusedtoclaimthatitlookedlikeaCoorsLightbackdrop.I^{\prime }mlookingatabeercananditwasamazing.SoIwouldgoupandsiton,theyhaveabunchof,atthattimetheywereconcrete,Ithinkthe{y}^{\prime }dbeenfilledinatthispoint,picnictables.AndIwouldmeditatejustlikeIlearnedthroughmymartialartstraining,itwaswonderful.AndsoIwouldbetotallycalmandrelaxedafterthat.Anditwasamoderateclimbup.Itwas{n}^{\prime }tanythingthatgotmeintoahighzone.Itwasa,itwas,Iwouldbarelybreakasweat.Itwas{n}^{\prime }taparticularlydifficultclimb.Andsoonmywaybackdown,and{I}^{\prime }ddonethisrideseveraltimesbefore,andonmyrideonthewayup,afterIcame,itwasadirtroadatthattime.Therewasachainlinkfencewiththreestrandsofbarbedwirealongthetop.AndIthoughtthatwasverycuriousbecausewhywouldafarmer,whatareyoufarmingbackthere?Isthatalittlebitof,youknow,thiswasbeforemarijuanawaslegalinColorado.SobutthenIsawasignthatsaidIndianburialgrounds,pleaserespectandkeepup.Soitmadesensetome.NowIam,mygreatgrandfathertookanIndianwifeaspartofthemigration.SoIhave,Iguess,someportion,maybeaneighthofmybloodlinehasNativeAmericanbackground.And{I}^{\prime }vealwaysbeenveryrespectfulofthatculture.Whichtribe?Sioux.Right.AndsohecamestraightofftheboatfromScotlandandmadethelaunchacrossthere.SoIhadnever,Iwasmildlycurious,butIhadneverentertainedeventheslightestnotionofviolatingthatrequest.Andonthewaybackdown,I^{\prime }mglidingalongandallofasudden,soIgopastitandsuddenlythereisanurge,sortofanuncontrollableurgethatIgottogetinthere.IntotheIndianburialground.Yeah.SoIturnmybikearound,getoffmybike.Igobacktosomeofmyspecialforcestrainingandyouget,youknow,IgointoJasonBournemode,right.I^{\prime }mtryingtofigureouthowamIgoingtogetoverthisdoggonefence.AndthenInoticedthatoneachsideofthefence,therewasa,therewasagatewithalock,butthegateis{n}^{\prime }tasheavilybarricadedasthefenceanditdipsdownalittlebit.Sowenaturallyweretrainedtolookforlittlenicheslikethat.SoIclimbupthepole,throwmy,ortossmymountainbikeoverthetop,catchmyjerseyinacoupleofplacesandgetbackdownand{I}^{\prime }mabouttogetonit.AndthenIhadthis,again,respectfulnotioncomewellingup,nope,I^{\prime }mnotgoingtoride.I^{\prime }mgoingtowalkmybikeandjustberespectfulandseewha{t}^{\prime }sbackthere.SoIdo.Comearoundacorner,longdirtroad,and{I}^{\prime }mjustkindofhobblingalongmylittlebikeshoesandIfeelalittlebitofmoistureonthetipofmynose.And{I}^{\prime }mcuriousaboutitbecauseI,Ihave{n}^{\prime }tbeenworkinghardonthewaydownhilltosweat.Soitmustbesweat.AndsoIkindofignoreitanditdropsontomyhandonmyhandlebars.IhadtheseweirdramshadehandlebarsandIhadducttapeacrossittoholdmyGPS.SoIwas,Iwas,IwasinvolvedintheveryearlytestingofsmallportableGPSsfortheentirespecialoperationscommunity,primarilybecause{I}^{\prime }mconvincedIwaslostmorethananytaskingcommanderinthehistoryofspecialforces.Sotheygavemeabunchofthesegizmos,meandacoupleofmyguys,andwetestedthemout.SoIwasa,IwasatechnogeekandIwasallaboutGPS.So{I}^{\prime }mlookingdownandIdoadoubletakebecausei{t}^{\prime }snotclear,i{t}^{\prime }sdark.AndthenIrealizedwithshockthati{t}^{\prime }sblood.AndsoallofasuddenIgetthiskindofagusherbloodynose,whichIhadnothadsinceIwasakid.NowIhavehadmynosebrokenonmultipleoccasions,twicebywomen,believeitornot,testingformyblackbeltandinarelay,amedleyrelaywhereIswam,IthinkIwasswimmingbutterflyandtheotherguyhitmeinthefaceonthewayintowater.Soi{t}^{\prime }snotunconscionableorabnormal,butitwasabnormalinthesensethatIhadgoneayear,wehadbeenlivinginDenver,youknow,forayear.Soitwas{n}^{\prime }t,youknow,thatIwasdesiccatedfromthehighdesertairanditwas,itwassuddenanditwasvigorous.Itwas{n}^{\prime }taslightdrip.Soitwasjustkindofweird.Soofcourse,BoyScouttraining,Ilaydown,putmynosebackand{I}^{\prime }mfiguring,well,I^{\prime }lljust,I^{\prime }llgetbackuphereinfiveminutes,getbackonthebikeandcontinuethis.Andtheneventually{I}^{\prime }llgetbackonthebikeandridehome.AndassoonasIlaydown,Iamout,Iamunconscious.AndthenextfeelingIrememberislikeaverydeepchill.LikeIhadbeensleepingoutsideasleepingbag.Iwaschilledtothebone.Itwas,itwasacoretemperatureproblem.AndsoI,IboltuprightandIgrabbedmybikeandther{e}^{\prime }sa,ther{e}^{\prime }salightsothatthisroadhadturnedlikethis.AndsoIwasatthiscornerandIdidaverycurious,again,anomalousbehaviorthatIca{n}^{\prime }texplain.Insteadofgetting,walkingmybikedownthatroadorgettingonmybikebecauseIwascoldandwalkingtherestofthewaydownhill,gradualdecline,Ifeelcompelledtoclimbupthroughthisscruboak,scratchingatmylegsandtheywerebloodyandscratchedup,youknow,whenIfinallygothometogouptothislight.I^{\prime }mlikeamothtothisflame.AndnowIwasagraduatestudent,studentattheColoradoSchoolofMines.Iwasstillonactiveduty,butColoradoSchoolofMines,naturally{I}^{\prime }musedtoseeingminingapparatus.Somy,mymindgoesthereandIthink,oh,thismustbeadrillrig.I^{\prime }mnotsurewhypeoplewoulddrillatnightinsteadofduringtheday,but{I}^{\prime }mnotthinkinganyofthat.I^{\prime }mjustlike,okay.SoIamnaturally,again,drawntothisthingandananomalousbehaviortogouphillandthroughacrazyroutetogetupontothisplateau.SoIgetupthereandI,I,IseewhatIthink,buti{t}^{\prime }saveryfuzzymemory,isafueltruck.AndsoIwalkmybikealongandIpurposelyputmybikebetweenmeandthetruck.Ther{e}^{\prime }ssomethingaboutthetruckthatdoes{n}^{\prime }tfeelright.AndIpositionedthebikeandasIgopastthecab,IlookintothecabbecauseIwanttotalktosomebodyandseewhatthehel{l}^{\prime }sgoingon.AndwhatI,whatIrememberinmymin{d}^{\prime }seyeisaredplaidshirt.AndI,I,Ido{n}^{\prime }thaveaimageoftheface.Ifeellikei{t}^{\prime }samalepresence,butI,I,Ido{n}^{\prime }thaveanimageofaface.Isithuman?Ido{n}^{\prime }tknowatthatpointasaconsciousmemory.Ido{n}^{\prime }tknow.WhatIdorememberisstopping,becomingterrifiedandnotwantingtogoanywhereclosertothelight.AndIturnaroundandIsneakmywaybackaroundthebackofthetruck.AndI,ther{e}^{\prime }sthis,somesortofactivityoverhere.AndIsneakmywaybackaroundthebackofthetruckandIamdraggingmybikethroughscrubbrushuntilIfinallycomeuponanopenroad.Itwasthescrubthere,thescruboaktherewouldhavebeenverydifficult.Ido{n}^{\prime }tlikethewordimpossible.Ido{n}^{\prime }tlikeever,always,oranyofthoseabsolutes,butitwouldhavebeenvery,verydifficultformeto,to,toevengetonepedalstrokethroughit.SoImademywaytothisdirtroadandassoonasIgottothatdirtroad,Ijumpedonthatbike.Andagain,withsheerabjectterror,pedaledthatbikeasfastasIcouldtogetthehelloutofthere.Hugeadrenalinerush.SoImake,makeitupthisgradualinclineandnow{I}^{\prime }mcoastingdownthisdirtroad.Nevermindi{t}^{\prime }s,i{t}^{\prime }stakingmeintheoppositedirection.Ineedtogohome.Ijustneedtogetoutofthere.SoIremembercoastingdownthisroadand{I}^{\prime }mthinking,okay,welli{t}^{\prime }safterdark.Itca{n}^{\prime }tbethatlongafterdark.Imean,Iwas,itwasthemiddleoftheafternoonforcryingout,youknow,itwasanosebleed.I{t}^{\prime }snotlikeIwasknockedunconsciousandIdid{n}^{\prime }tfalloffmybikeoranythingthatwouldhaveexplainedthatlongertermofunconsciousness.Andas{I}^{\prime }mridingdown,Istartedthinkingabout,ohgeez,Cindy,mywifeisgoingtobeworriedaboutme.SoIprobablyoughttocallherbecausei{t}^{\prime }sprobablylaterthanIthinkitis.Soas{I}^{\prime }mcomingdownandIseethisloneranchhouseofftotheright,asyoumayknow,alotoftheranchworldleavesalighton,right?I{t}^{\prime }stheoldRedwoodthing.W{e}^{\prime }llleavealightonforyou.Andtherewasonelighton.AndsoI,Ideviateand{I}^{\prime }mgoingtogoupandknockonthedoorandaskthemtousetheirtelephone.Thisis95,nocellphones.AndIstopped,IskiddedtoahaltbecauseIsuddenlyrealizedtherearenolightsoninthathouse.SothenIrealizedit,ithastobereallate.I{t}^{\prime }snotanhourortwoaftersunset.Thisisreally,reallylate.SoIgetbackonmybikeandIcruisedownandIfinallymakeittothishardball,whichInowknowisahighway85and{I}^{\prime }vetakenthistripsincethen.AndI,Ihitthewall.I{t}^{\prime }skindoflikeabonkduringabikeraceoranyenduranceracewhereyouarejustdevoidofanyfuel.AndIwasbarelykeepingmyselfvertical.SoI,I^{\prime }mcrankingandIuseanoddnumberofcounts,one,two,threecoast,one,two,three,andImakeitaboutamileuntilIgettothis.Andther{e}^{\prime }sanotherindicatorofhowlateitis,isther{e}^{\prime }sverylittletraffic.Everynowandthen,maybeonceeveryfiveminutes,acargoesby.AndIdo{n}^{\prime }thaveanyreflectivelightsoranything.Thisisanafternoonride.SoIrememberclimbingupthishillandtherewasa7-ElevenandIpullintothis7-ElevenandIhadsomeemergencycashonme,justtypicalmountainbikerstuff.SoI,I,Imakeitintothe7-Elevenandinthefrontofthewindows,Ipropmybikeupagainstit.AndInoticedthatther{e}^{\prime }sapolicecruiserpulledupandthewindowsaredown.Andas{I}^{\prime }mwalking,clickingalongpastthispolicecruisertogointothe7-Elevenbecause{I}^{\prime }mseverelydehydrated,Iam,Iamdyingof,ofthirst.AndsoIthought{I}^{\prime }dhearmynamecomeacrossthispoliceradio,whichisweird.SoIgoinandIgetthreelarge32-ounceorangeGatoradejugs.One,IopenthetopandchugitbeforeIevengettothecounter.AndtheclerkislookingatmeandIplopthatdownandIputa20onandthe{y}^{\prime }relike,okay.AndsoIleaveit,theemptyone,andthenIgooutside.AndasIexitthestore,thecopgetsoutandcomesuptomeandsays,excuseme,sir,isyournameJohnBlitz?AndIsaid,yeah.Andhesaid,okay,well,Ijustwanttoletyouknowthatyourwifeputoutamissingperso{n}^{\prime }sreport.And{I}^{\prime }vealreadycalledinthatIthoughtthatthatwasyouandcanIofferyouaridehome?Nowthisiswheretheathlet{e}^{\prime }segowouldnormallysay,hellno.Man,tha{t}^{\prime }slikeaskingmetocarrymyrucksack.Howdareyou?Whatanaffront.Whatanaffronttomyphysicalstamina.ButwhatIreallysaidwas,ohyeah,thanksabunch,becauseIfeltlike{I}^{\prime }drunamarathon.Wasitafueltruck?Ido{n}^{\prime }tknow.Ica{n}^{\prime }ttellyou.Youthinkyouweretaken?WhatIdo{n}^{\prime }twanttogetintoisareconstructedmemoryafterahypnosissession.Youjustdo{n}^{\prime }tknow.Wha{t}^{\prime }sthat?Youjustdo{n}^{\prime }tknow.Atthatpoint,Ididnotknow.Whatdoyouknownow?WhatIbelievenowisthat,yes,Iwastaken.I^{\prime }mveryclearinmybookaboutwhatmemoriesIhaveconsciouslyandthenwhatmemoriesarereconfigured,restrungtogetherinahypnosisregressionsession.Yo{u}^{\prime }vebeenawarrior,butyoualsohaveadoctorate.Yes,Ihaveamaste{r}^{\prime }sdegreeinmathandcomputersciencewithafocusonartificialintelligenceandrobotics.Thatwasmyfirsttrip.Tha{t}^{\prime }swhatIwasstudyingwhenthiseventhappened.Thereweretwoothercuriouseventsatthattime.Butlater,afterrunningmysearchandrescuebusiness,andIhadtoshutthatdownafterdestroyingmyfemur,life-threateningevent,ithappenedimmediatelyafterHurricaneKatrina.I^{\prime }dlovetogiveyousomewonderfullyheroicstory,butthetruthofthematterisIwasgoofingaroundonajetskiandranitintoadockandbrokemyfemur,gotinfected,hadtolayeverybodyoff.ThenIwentbacktograduateschoolasecondtimeforasecondmaste{r}^{\prime }sdegreeinquantumpsychologyandaPhDinquantumpsychology.Soyo{u}^{\prime }vegotamaste{r}^{\prime }sdegreeinpsychology.AndaPhD.Youknowwhensomebod{y}^{\prime }ssufferingfromadelusionorapsychosisorahallucination.Wasitthat?Well,letmebackupalittlebitbecauseIappreciateyoursupremeconfidenceinme,Ross.ButIamnotapsychiatrist.SoIamnottrainedtodiagnosewh{o}^{\prime }scrazyandwh{o}^{\prime }snot.Thatbeingsaid,yeah,Ihavealotoftrainingspecificallyinmentalstateofrobotoperators.Tha{t}^{\prime }swhatIfocusedon.IuseEEG.ThisiswhatIusedtocallmyselfaneuroscientist,but{I}^{\prime }mnot.ThefactofthematterisIuseneurophysiologicalequipmenttogetathowpeoplearethinkingwhenthe{y}^{\prime }redrivingrobotsaround.Sobasedonthat,andagain,I^{\prime }mnotcrazy,notbecause{I}^{\prime }mclaimingit,becausetheU.S.militaryandtheArmyandthentheAirForcesaythat.BecauseIwould{n}^{\prime }thavehadaclearance.WhatIdohavenowadistinctappreciationforisthecrispmemoriesversuswhatIconsidertobemanipulatedmemories.Andi{t}^{\prime }saveryclearthingforme.BecausewhenIwasinthatclassifiedorganization,wedid{n}^{\prime }tusetypicalmilitarynametags.Andsofacialrecognition,ther{e}^{\prime }sapartofyourbraincalledthefusiformfaceareathatisspecificallylightsupwhenyo{u}^{\prime }retryingtorecognizefaces.Andsoweknowthisthroughoccupationsthatareinherentlydependentuponfacialrecognition.So{I}^{\prime }mnotgoingtoclaim,youknow,myegowantsmetoclaimthatIhavesomesortofeideticmemory.Tha{t}^{\prime }snottrue.Tha{t}^{\prime }snotthecase.ButIhadareallygoodmemoryoffaces.AndIcould{n}^{\prime }tatthattime,getoverthenotionthatIcould{n}^{\prime }trememberthatface.Sosomethingwasscrewingwithyourperception,youthink?Yes,absolutely.Ifsomethin{g}^{\prime }scapableofscrewingwithyourperception,howdoweknowwhatitis?Andhowdowehaveanyideaofwhetheri{t}^{\prime }sbenevolentormalevolent?Yes.Soconcurrentwiththatexperience,thereweretwootherexperiencesthatareverycrispforme.Andindependentlycorroborated.ThefirstwaswalkingintoamallmyyoungestdaughterandIwerelatetolinkupwithmyoldestdaughterandmywife.WecutthroughaBarnesandNoble.Andw{e}^{\prime }rewalkingalongandandsh{e}^{\prime }s,sh{e}^{\prime }sinarushbecauseshewantstolinkupwithmombecausemo{m}^{\prime }sgoingtotakeherclothesshoppinggetreadyforthefortheschoolyear.AndIstoppeddeadinmytracks.BecauseasIwaswalkingalong,Iglancedovertomyright,andtherewasabookshelfkindoflikethoseshelvesthere.AndtherewastheWhitleyStrieberbookcommunion.Allright,withthealienfaceonthefront.AndI,allIhadtodowasglanceatthat.AllIhadtodothis,thisiswhathappens.Thisisthetinglesthataregoingon.Soi{t}^{\prime }sveryrealtoyou.Saythatagain.I{t}^{\prime }sveryrealtoyou.Ther{e}^{\prime }snodoubtinyourmindthati{t}^{\prime }sreal.Oh,i{t}^{\prime }saphysiologicalresponse.Imean,IamIamontheedgeofterrorrightnow.Everyand{I}^{\prime }verecalledthishundredsoftimes,buteverytimei{t}^{\prime }sstill.Solookingatthatface,andIfrozeinthemiddleofthatstore,mydaughterwalkedallthewayoutofthestore,realizedIwas{n}^{\prime }tbehindher,camebackininthemiddleofmyparalysis,lookingatthatface,ther{e}^{\prime }satugonmyhand.Andsh{e}^{\prime }slike,Dad,comeon,w{e}^{\prime }realreadylate.Andshebringsmeoutofit.Sothisis,again,anomalousbehavior.Sowegolinkupwithmywife,andIturnrightbackaround.AndIgoupandIbuythatbook.AndassoonasIpayforit,IripthecoveroffandIcrumpleitupandthrowitinthetrash.Whathaditdonetoyoutomakeyoufeelthatterror?Ido{n}^{\prime }tknow.Doyouthinktherewassomethingorwasitjustthelookoftheface,thestrangenessoftheface?Isosolookingbackthroughthechildhoodexperience,thatfacewasidenticaltothefacesthatwerelookingatmethroughthewindow.Moreanomalousbehavior,IwouldhavetoclosealmostanOCDlikeobsessivecompulsivedisordertypeofbehavior.Iwouldhavetocheckthedrapesandlockthedoors.Fiveorsixtimes.I{t}^{\prime }sthatbehavioralaspectofthisthatIca{n}^{\prime }tgetawayfrom.Theideabehindwhatw{e}^{\prime }rediscussinginthisstoryisthatagroupofmenarecomingforwardtocorroboratethatthegovernmentisawareofanon-humanintelligenceengagingwiththisplanet.Yes.Thati{t}^{\prime }slying.Thati{t}^{\prime }slying.Imean,asrecentlyasafewdaysbeforethisinterview.Thatthegovernmen{t}^{\prime }slying.Yeah.Yeah.Soforme,theabduction...Inmybook,IhaveachaptercalledTheElephantintheUAPRoom.Tome,theabductionphenomenaisthelinchpintothiswholething.Andwhatitdoesisitgivesthecabal,ifyouwanttocallit,thelyingcover-uporganizationorlooseorganization,whateveritis,everybodyinvolvedinthatcover-upawayup.Andthereasonisthatthereisnothingmoreterrifyingasaparenttohaveyourkidstakenfromyou,kidnappedfromyou,whileyouaresittingthereparalyzed,powerlesstoseeit,powerlesstodoanything.Whatdoyouthinkofagovernmenttha{t}^{\prime }sconcealedsuchasecret,ifthisistrue?Yeah.SothisiswhatIhave{n}^{\prime }tbeenabletoresolvethrough65orbitsaroundtheplanetand25ofthoseintheU.S.militaryasanactive-dutynewSFDARPAprogrammanager,andthenanothersevenyearsasaseniorscientistfortheAirForce.Thatthegovernmentisfullofgreatpeople.They,especiallythemilitaryfolks,firefighters,lawenforcementfolks,lawenforcementfolks,noneofthemgetpaidenoughfortherisksthattheytake,comparedtootherfolksthat,youknow,youtakeahighschoolclass,thefolksthatgointothemilitaryversusthefolksthatgotolawschoolorlearnatradeandbecomemillion,gazillion,billionaires,whatever.Thereisaselflessserviceofjoiningthemilitary.IknowthatalotofthecivilianworldlookatuskindoflikeColonelJessupfromAFewGoodMen,youknow,youca{n}^{\prime }thandlethetruth,right?Thewaywelookatourselvesis,hey,look,w{e}^{\prime }remorelikekindofrockyintheBalboathing.Look,theworl{d}^{\prime }snotsunshineandrainbows.Sothisgivesthemanoutthatweca{n}^{\prime }tprotectyou.WhatIwantmygovernmenttoadmittomeis,sorry,wewerepowerless.Ido{n}^{\prime }tthinkw{e}^{\prime }repowerlessanymore.YouheardDaveGrus{h}^{\prime }stestimonyabout,youinterviewedhimaboutthecrashretrievalprocess.Iknowyo{u}^{\prime }verecentlyinterviewedsomeotherfolkswithdirectpersonalexperience,notjustwatchingreports,thefolksthathavebeeninvolvedinthat.AndwhatmakessenseaboutthattomeisthatthereasonwhyDaveisstillaliveandLouisstillaliveandalotofotherwhistleblowersarestillaliveisIbelievethatwenowdohavetheabilitytoprotectsomeofus.Wedohavetheabilitytoshootdownsomeofthesecraftandtointerferewiththiskidnapping,kidnapping,abductionprocess.Iconsideritauniversalrightofanybeing,anylivingspeciestobeabletoprotecttheirchildren.Sowhatmakestotalsensetomeisagovernmentthathaskeptitsecret,justlikewewouldkeepsecretfromourownchildren.Look,ther{e}^{\prime }sMr.Jonesdownthestreetthere.MywifeandIknowchildmolester.I^{\prime }mnotgoingtotellmykidsthat.Juststayawayfromthishouse.Butdad,h{e}^{\prime }sgoingtopayme$50 just to shovel his driveway. Stay away from him. Why? Don’t worry about it. So I think that’s where we are with our government. Nearly a year ago, I asked you if you could help me check somebody out. Yeah. His name was Jake Barber. Yep. And you took him out on your boat. Yeah. Off Santa Monica. And you met him and some of his team. Yeah. Special operators configure each other art, can’t they? You know, as tier one operators, you know whether somebody’s embellishing their record. What was the impression that you gained of Jake Barber and his colleagues? Well, so you asked me a while ago, or to give it some thought about why I believe it. Several reasons. Top of the list is demeanor. We do have that ability to recognize the way someone carries themselves and the way they present themselves. If it’s one person, that’s one thing. Four, folks all acting in that manner. Hard to dismiss. Second is documentation. And the documentation that I have been provided from these folks lines up very consistently. And the third is the behavior. So you have demeanor as one thing. Behavior is another. So as a leader, I feel compelled to take risk first. So I laid out three forms of identification, my passport, my military ID. I think it was my, maybe it was my Air Force Academy ID and some of them. And without hesitation, every one of them laid out their ID. I was looking for a little hesitation because it was four against one. And these guys could kick my butt up one side, down the other. I’m worried that I’m going to slip my drone and they’re going to dump me over the side and they’re going to sail my boat, I don’t know, to Australia, I don’t know. So those points, but the key aspect of it is that their stories connect the dots. The dots of why keep this a secret, right? Why are we trying to… So when you compare this to the Manhattan Project, which a lot of folks do. Manhattan Project was kept secret for five years. Thousands of people involved in that. Five years. How the hell did we keep this secret? We’re going on 80 years since Foo Fighters were originally reported. And that’s one of the arguments that people often make to me, it’s impossible to keep this kind of thing secret. And it’s not a secret, we’re talking about it, aren’t we? We’re talking about it, aren’t we? The secret is out. And it has been out from the get-go in open literature. So I think I mentioned to you, I’m kind of part of the invisible college. I’ve been studying this since grade school, reading my dad’s books. He has, and what’s interesting is he and I have both purchased multiple books. He passed away and I have inherited his library. Now I have duplicate copies of them. I would say 25% of that library is duplicated between the two of us. So everybody else, while they’re on boring sentry duty, and they’re reading, you know, comic books or, you know, I’m reading this. Could what you’ve experienced and Jake and his colleagues have experienced, just be a bunch of special forces guys deluding themselves? Is it possible? Sure, it’s possible. Is it probable? No. Occam’s razor cuts through all of those, every single… So when you’re connecting dots, I liken this to my grandkids’ sketch-by-numbers set, right? Where you’ve got to connect 15 or 30 or 50 different dots. Their story connects all the dots. So the implications of these Min’s allegations, of Jake’s allegations, the implications of Jake’s allegations are that there is a UAP crash retrieval program. That we, the United States, together in collusion with some private aerospace companies, is concealing, lying to the American public and the world about the existence of non-human intelligence engaging with this planet. Sure. And I am okay with that. I was okay with that lie up until the turn of the century in 9-11. Because it is so terrifying. Look, lights in the sky, that’s not terrifying enough to keep a secret. Even the fact that some of those lights in the sky are craft with beings on board, that’s not terrifying enough. That’s not something to protect society from. Kidnapping, plucking children from the bed with their parents, or off of a mountain bike, or while they’re at school, the aerial school. I know you’re familiar with all of those. And of course, the- West Allcast. West Allcast, yeah. Yeah, I know you’re familiar with all those. That is a level of terror that would threaten any sort of society. So this is interesting. You think that one of the reasons for the government cover-up, and it’s only a very small number of people, obviously, in the government who do know about this. I doubt a lot of presidents have been told about this secret. You think that a large part of the reason for the cover-up is because the abduction phenomenon- It is the reason. Is real. It is the linchpin to this whole thing. Imagine you’re Harry Truman, 1947, pieces broken out all over. And you get brought, or you are shown, wreckage of egg-shaped craft, disks, avocado-shaped craft, and bodies inside that are clearly not human. And mixed in with that are human body parts. What are you going to do? So you’ve heard the allegation. Oh, there are many stories about that within the special ops community. Because we’re the folks, you know, in Vietnam. So during Vietnam, there was a- there was friction between the Air Force and the Army, in particular, the Marine Corps, where if a pilot went down deep in the jungle, and the closest Americans to that pilot happened to be a Marine platoon or a special forces ODA, an A-team, they were retasked. Never mind setting an ambush over here. You got to go get this pilot. Major, lieutenant, colonel, whatever. Well, wait a minute. I’m going to put 30 of my guys at risk for one freaking colonel? Maybe. And then there are all of it. So there was a lot of risk and friction with regards to that. So the Air Force stood up its own recovery efforts because it got to the point that, hey, look, if you’re not going to go rescue our pilots, guess what? Next time you call for close air support, good luck. So you’re going to have to do your own close air support. And it made no sense. So the pararescue community stood up within the Air Force. And those folks are full-on, flat-out heroes every time they go in because they are deep behind enemy lines, just like special forces guys, just like Navy SEALs. And they are specialists at plucking people out of twisted wreckage. That’s a special skill set that you have to do. So fast forward to Harry Truman. If we shoot down another one of these things, and I am here to postulate, again, this is a belief, not knowledge, that we were playing with radar at White Sands and Wright-Patterson and a variety of these things. And we were cranking that power up. Not with the intent to shoot anything down, because we can’t shoot down our aircraft with that. We don’t have electronics that are vulnerable to that. But as we’re cranking up that power to extend the range, here’s this vehicle, advanced vehicle with electromagnetic navigation, not propulsion, but interferes with the propulsion. Next thing you know, it flies into the side of a mountain. So if we use PJs, pararescue folks, to rescue our own astronauts, pluck them out of the water after Apollo 11, 12, 13, you know, who are you going to send to grab the wreckage? It makes all the sense in the world. So you believe Jake Barber is telling the truth? Absolutely. There has been a cover-up lasting 80 years. Absolutely. We’ve recovered craft. Absolutely. Alien bodies. Yeah. And we have reverse engineered that to the point that now we can shoot down, at will, not by mistake, using, you know, just cranking up the power on our high-powered microwaves. One thing that strikes me about the difference between the way you talk about these beings and the way the other people I’ve interviewed for this story talk, you’re the first person to suggest possible malevolence. Well, so the title of my book is The Abduction Amnesty Knot. Little K, big N-O-T. And I use knot because knots can be complicated, right? Have you ever tried to untie, you know, some sort of, so especially as now a reluctant sailor. So, but the subtitle is The Case for Forgiveness in the Disclosure Age. And so there’s two entities to forgive here. One are the abductors, because they do bring us back. I mean, I was brought back to my bedroom. I was brought back to my bike, put back on my bike, or put back next to it, and I got back up and got it. And many of us have our memories tampered with in much the same way that we pharmacologically do the same thing. Talk to any anesthesiologist. We can pharmacologically remove, prospectively remove memory with an injection, plus or minus 30 seconds. So I’ve had, happened to have 21 different surgeries to repair my umpty-dumpty body, a lot of it with my own just lack of skill. And I can tell you several cases where I know that that occurred. So if we can do that right now, it makes all the sense in the world that with directed energy, fine-tuned to the hippocampal region, and all of the memory consolidation networks in our own brains, it makes sense that they could do it. And so one sign of benevolence is to remove the memory of the trauma. Look, I told Ludus, I abducted my lovable black Labrador retriever every three months to go to the vet. He did not want to go to the vet. He had the equivalent of the bruises on his arm. I don’t know if he had bruises under his coat of his harness, but I had to drag him in there for good reasons. What you’re suggesting begs the question, there will likely be secrets that lie behind what’s happened inside the legacy retrieval program. Sure. That many people will find confronting. Sure. But is any of that sufficient reason not to reveal it? Well, so let me ask you this in an analogy. There’s good secrets, bad secrets. In my mind, I am not going to tell my grandkids the code to my gun safe. We should not be advertising a cookbook of how to take plutonium and create a nuclear weapon. So clearly those things we need to keep secret. However, the existence of extraterrestrial life, and it’s not just extraterrestrial life. If you can travel faster than light than it takes to get here, you can bend time and you can cross dimensions. Those three are linked. We know this. In fact, this page, there’s several pages in Lou’s book where he and Hal Puthoff diagram a bubble that dictates that you can manipulate time. So what I have issue with right now with the common verbiage right now is the word threat. Just because a object or craft is in our airspace, that does not make it a threat. It is clear when you read that part that time, they can slow that down. And so it is child’s play to avoid collisions. So there is no threat of collision. I love these folks. I love the pilots that report these things, but I vehemently push back against the notion that there is any threat of a collision. It’s the equivalent of me being in a 50-knot Mark VI Navy patrol craft that can do 40 knots, claiming that I’m a threat with my sailboat that flat out maybe can do eight knots. There is no threat of that collision. So this notion of just being in our airspace as a threat is ridiculous. And it’s a real problem for us as a galactic species. John, if you have been abducted, and if there is a non-human intelligence, it’s not inconceivable that one day you might actually get the opportunity to meet your abductors. I already did. I already did. A tall seven-ish foot praying mantis-looking being was upset with me and was chastising me. This is during one of your abduction events. This is right around the same time as this mountain bike incident. It was the environment that I thought it was, was in my bedroom on the third floor of a split-level house. And it came through a sliding screen door. There was a deck out there three stories up, no stairs down, and just walked right through the door standing over me. And again, I was terrified, frozen, paralyzed to the bed. And he, I got a male presence vibe from this being, and he’s just looking at me very intently and explaining to me, look, this body that you got, it is just a soul housing group. It’s a brain housing group. It is just a machine that your soul occupies for this lifetime. And so, yeah, we’re going to mess with it. We’re going to get up under the hood and we’re going to adjust the carburetor, right? I just dated myself there. You know, we may swap a couple of parts out, but we can’t steal you. We can’t steal your soul. We can’t steal your consciousness. So quit screaming and writhing around and let us do our fricking job. And it’s like the equivalent of a surgeon telling the patient, stop squiggling, just like the veterinarian to my laboratory retriever, hold them down for crying out loud. Just, I got to be able to check this tendon. And so I got that very condescending and vigorous instruction. But here’s the thing. As proof, there was this image that he put in and was terrifying. His mandibles that were kind of behind, like a casing or a shell opened up and he starts grabbing chunks of my cheek and he’s ripping it. And there’s blood spattering on the wall. And I’m feeling the tug and I’m feeling this flesh, you know, and the whole time he is conveying to me, see, we can’t get your soul. We can’t get your soul. We can’t get your soul. We can do a lot of damage to your body if we want to. We don’t. We’re trying to help you. But this is how bad it could get. So stop squiggling around and let us get this done. Was that physical damage to your cheek real? No, I felt the tugging and I had the visual, again, a false fuzzy memory. What do you think of the people that have concealed this secret? I think the vast majority of them are heroes because they were doing it for the right reasons. The reason why people kept the Manhattan Project secret was not because you’re going to threaten them with jail. That doesn’t work. Out of 100 people, you threaten everybody with jail. There’s going to be a 10 to 20% that are just, they’re going to do it anyway. If you can explain to them that it’s in the best interest for society, they’ll keep it a secret. I think that’s what’s happened here, that a large number of the folks in this are unwitting. But once they understand and they’re shown direct evidence of these crashes and the deceased non-human intelligent bodies, some of which are biological robots, some of it are sentient beings. The grasshopper guy for me, sentient being without a doubt. The little gray guys, biological robots. So that is such a significant threat that they feel that society is not ready. As a cognitive psychologist, one who’s been trained as a cognitive psychologist, final question. The implication of this is that human beings have capacities that we don’t yet understand to communicate with an intelligence telepathically, psychically, because the connection with this technology is done psionically. Very little doubt of that in my mind as well. So my technical training is in EEG brainwave monitoring, and I use that in a naturalistic sense. So I have big issues with, and I know Gary’s going to, we’ll have a lively discussion about this. My claim is that your brain, when we put you in a laboratory, that brain does not act the same way as when you’re in a non-laboratory setting. So my focus is on what I call naturalistic measurement, naturalistic neurophysiological measurement of you. So I use wireless EEG underneath a ball cap or underneath a helmet. So that it’s so comfortable, you forget you’re wearing it. The first time I wore it was climbing Mount Shasta in 2009. Another story at some other time. So there is no question in my mind that we right now, and you can look at many, many, and there’s a vast literature about this, that we now know more about the human brain by gobs than even 10 years ago. It’s an exponential acceleration of our knowledge. So the use of that to guide advanced craft make all the sense in the world. The implications of it all though are, to come back to the point at the beginning of all of this, consciousness may not be local. We might in fact be part of a bigger, wider consciousness. And what we’re plugging into with our minds is something that’s more what we really are as human beings. Yeah, I agree. And there’s a very big danger here with our reverse engineered ability to shoot these things down. On a galactic basis, I want to use the honeybee analogy, right? So on this planet with these beings that are beneath us, honeybees, we tolerate them. We harness them. They do good things. We use them to pollinate our crops. And so there’s a symbiotic relationship with these. Enter killer bees or Africanized bees, if you’d like. Now look at the honeybees. You know, if you mess with their nest, their planet, they’re going to come at you with stingers, which I would draw the equivalent as our nuclear weapons. And that’s not going to do anybody any good. But you’ll stay away and you’ll tell your kids, hey, don’t go over by that tree. Just leave them alone. The Africanized bees, the killer bees, that’s not worth it anymore. That they are so aggressive and they are now lethal. And that’s what I worry about, that we have gone from this to this. Because we’re using offensive weapons against them, you mean? Yeah, and we’re not discriminating friend versus foe. How do we know who’s the bad guys up there? If you got a flying saucer or a little egg or whatever it is coming into our atmosphere, how do you know they’re going to kidnap a kid out of the bedroom? Or they’re just going to welcome you aboard like the friendly space brothers and sisters that are rumored to have occurred. So we don’t know that yet. The key to that IFF, the identified friend or foe, is what you just said, the consciousness. Because we do, we humans do have that spider sense. And so maybe there are some of us who are sensitive enough to maybe do IFF right now and to aid in that process. to click that red subscribe button to ensure you get more of News Nation’s unbiased and fact-driven news coverage.