John Blitch — Psicoactivo Podcast #346 (Mar 17 2025)
- Speaker: Ret. Lt. Col. John G. Blitch, PhD, interviewed on Psicoactivo Podcast. ~1h21m.
- YouTube: https://youtu.be/nCaHz4s-GGc (2025-03-17)
- Captured: 2026-05-29 via yt-dlp audio → Whisper.
- Primary (supplementary) for blitch-darpa-abduction-claimant. Covers his abduction experiences, abductee psychology, the nuclear-UFO connection, and his abductors’ “tridactyl” (three-fingered) features.
- NOTE: Whisper auto-transcript; verify quotes against audio.
What’s up humans and welcome to a new and very special Cico Activo. Today I have a little overachiever. He’s had an impressive career. He received his master’s degree in math and computer science from Colorado School of Mines before being assigned as an operations research analyst. He’s a retired lieutenant colonel, Dr. John Blitch. How are you sir? Welcome to Cico Activo. Thank you. Thank you very much. I would not categorize myself as an overachiever. As a matter of fact, there are several schools who would describe me just the opposite way but we’ll let that go. Sir, I mean everybody who saw you coming out on the Ross Colthard interview, we all were really really impressed by your resume so it’s nice that you’re humble about it. Let’s just leave it at that. Well, there are many more people more humble than me. You have Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, Dave Grush, all those folk, Gary Nolan, so I’m just following suit with those guys. Okay, so nobody, well I didn’t know anything about you when you came out on that interview and what really surprised me is that I’m seeing some kind of a sea change because 10 years ago there weren’t many scientists or people from the military who were brave enough to come out and talk about their experiences and I find that very refreshing. I wanted to ask you, coming forward, how important it was and how did you live through the stigma over the years and how do you see it receding a little bit if that has happened at all? Yeah, what a wonderful question and very insightful of you, Tomas. I would, you know, primarily I would attribute that to the steadfast researchers who have pushed through all the gaslighting across multiple governments, yourself included, but the big, you know, several of the big breakthroughs for me were, first of all, Lou Elizondo. I mean, putting his career at risk and essentially cashing it in and Dave Grush and Gary Nolan, for Gary to come on the world stage and announce that he had some of these little beings in his room when he was younger, that gave me a little bit of impetus to come forward with my childhood experience as well. To rewind a little bit, you know, my childhood experiences I dismissed as dreams because that’s the way the government has gaslit us. That’s the way that a lot of the pseudoscience folks tried to dismiss it as sleep paralysis, as some sort of paranoia, as some sort of pathology, you know, a mental health issue. But when you have John Mack, whose entire job was filtering out what kind of mental health problem you have and getting treatment for that, and then after filtering all those folks out, he still had this core group who were clearly sane. And so that sort of filtration, and for me, it was through the military with the personnel reliability program, which is a very detailed, very onerous program to make sure that people that are in close proximity to nuclear weapons, or in my case, in charge of nuclear weapons, aren’t crazy. And so all of those combined, and coming forward over the years, is really what made me feel like I had a net underneath me, and that it was okay to finally come out. I will say that I hadn’t convinced myself that these experiences were real until 2018 timeframe, when I saw Terry Lovelace give his talk. And after I’d read Robert Hastings’ book, and heard all about Bob Jacobs’ story, Mario Woods’ story, Jeff Goodrich’s story, so all these are nuclear weapons folks. And it just, it goes back to Carl Sagan’s, you know, demand for extraordinary proof for extraordinary claims. That is extraordinary proof. If you can’t trust somebody with nuclear weapons, and then become an assistant attorney general, like Terry Lovelace did, who can you trust? I don’t, I don’t know of anybody that’s a higher level of trustworthiness and mental health than those folks. Yeah, I had Mr. Bob Salas here a few weeks ago. And he also has a very, one of the most compelling stories that I’ve ever heard about this topic. And I wanted to ask you about that, though. Why do you think this phenomenon seems to have, like an affinity towards nuclear energy? Where do you think that comes from? What, what have you come up with? Yeah, so, so I have talked to Bob about this, Bob Salas, Bob Jacobs, Robert Hastings, all sort of our nuke brotherhood. And I don’t want to speak for them. But the most common theme, as I understand it, that we, we coalesce on, we sort of converge on, is that these, these beings are disappointed and frustrated with our continued playing with technology that we don’t fully understand. And so I have a chapter that I call the playing with nuclear matchsticks, because that’s what it feels like to me that this galactic society is in the process of essentially coming into the backyard with me and my friends and taking the matchsticks from us. Now, you know, that there are many, many stories, many, many anecdotal stories that are backed up with radar data, with irrefutable ground tracking data, footprints in the mud, in Mario Woods’ case, a truck in the mud with no tracks in the middle of an Arctic winter. I mean, how does that happen? So you have these independently corroborated and supported reports that are very highly suggestive of this sort of activity. It’s not just in the US. I’m sure Bob Salas probably told you about George Knapp and him going to the USSR and finding out that all over the globe, it doesn’t matter what country, anybody that has anything to do with nuclear weapons has an abundance of these types of experiences. And I have never heard, well, I shouldn’t say that, the rare cases where people are injured in the process, it does not seem like it’s an intent to injure. It’s a byproduct of either the craft’s propulsion or some sort of other activity. It doesn’t seem like there is a intent to harm other than as a sort of a collateral damage sort of situation. Now, Bob Salas is probably one of the highest level folks that has direct evidence of tampering because he saw his missiles shut down. And in our world, in the nuclear launch world, having your missiles or weapons, whether it’s a cannon or a Pershing II missile, in my experience, that is a major deal. That’s like crashing in your airplane for a pilot to not have your system be fully mission capable. I mean, the world’s, the country’s depending on you to keep these weapons up to speed. So to have them shut down or in the opposite case in the Soviet Union, have them launched without your authority. And there’s a very heroic lieutenant colonel in the Russian army who prevented World War III personally by not launching when he was supposed to. It’s a very interesting aspect of all this. So it’s kind of a higher morality thing. And I have asked these guys, and a lot of us have asked each other, you know, I wonder if any of our nuclear weapons work. Right? Because there have been so many of these shutdowns all over the place. And those seem to be quite overt and quite obvious. There will be a beam that comes down into the weapon storage area or into the launch facility itself. And then as Bob Salas described, all the weapons one by one start going down, and they’re non-mission capable. And so you have this direct association that certainly seems very overt. They want us to know that they’re shutting them down. But how do we know that there aren’t covert methods across the rest of the nuclear industry to include submarines that are shutting them all down? And so from the nuclear side of things, we never really know if our stuff is going to work. When you turn that key, you know, yeah, it might launch, but you don’t know if that warhead is actually going to detonate. There could have been some directed energy that has fused that core and not giving any indications that it’s non-mission capable. And so that may be the reason. I’m not saying it’s the reason. This is just a belief. It’s not knowledge. Okay. We’re highly speculative here. But I wonder out loud if that’s why we have not had World War III yet. Nuclear-wise. Why haven’t we had an exchange since Hiroshima? That’s an interesting idea. A little bit taboo in mainstream too, because imagine talking about our weapons don’t really work and we’ve been threatening at each other for decades now. Right. Really weird. And it may not necessarily be a good thing. It sounds like wonderful, you know, pieces broken out all over. But here’s the problem. I’ve postulated this before is, you know, it takes two pounds of pressure to pull a trigger. So in a situation where my wife or my daughters have to defend themselves from a big, strong, you know, brute guy or five or six of them, then that weapon, that pistol or that, you know, rifle, whatever it happens to be, assault weapon maybe, allows them to defend themselves against, I don’t know how many bullets in the magazine, 30 other people, you know. So if all of a sudden when they pull a trigger and it doesn’t work, oh, now this poor, short, relatively diminished individual can’t protect themselves as well against all these big brutes. So just because we take nuclear weapons off the table, now what’s next? The person with the most artillery? The person with the most troops? The person with the most bullets? The country with the most bullets? You know, so it’s not quite as hunky-dory as you might think. It could be tremendously destabilizing from the countries that do have nuclear weapons from their perspective, even if they know that their nukes don’t work. Would they admit it? I don’t know. I don’t know if you saw or if Dan Farah approached you for the documentary, because that just came out last week on a premiere. And they talk about this, quote unquote, new arms race with this alleged new technology that may or may not be real. There’s a lot of like lore and a lot of history and a lot of different accounts. For example, just to give you one example, the Mark McCandless story where they talk about ARVs, that’s one. What do you think is going on there? Do you think there actually could be some kind of new propulsion technology that was either discovered in the 50s or recently China may be involved? Where’s your stance on that? Well, from what I understand of Mark McCandless’s demise, I do not believe he committed suicide by swallowing his shotgun. And I, you know, again, this is belief. It’s not knowledge based on that literature on that wall over there. There’s a lot of literature that is highly suggestive that there is internecine sort of, I would call it galactic piracy. That, you know, you have these visitors that come here and whether they crash from a very intense electromagnetic storm, a thunderstorm that catches them by surprise, certainly there’s plenty of possibility for that. Or they’re shot down one way or another. Once they’re on the ground, they’re in the water. It’s kind of like the Spanish galleon that sunk in the Caribbean. It’s a race to the treasure. And so I do worry about that a little bit. And I think probably part of the most significant aspect of Jake Barber’s testimony is he danced around it a little bit, that there might be some contractors shooting and harming and robbing other contractors as they’re kind of descending on this sort of activity. You could certainly imagine two different countries who may not have declared war on each other, but both are in a race to get that technology. You could imagine them, you know, pulling weapons on each other and so forth. So I’m very concerned about that. And I think probably the most damaging aspect of that is if these beings actually are spiritually advanced or certainly more technologically advanced, they, every time we prey on each other and show that we can’t get along, we get further and further from them opening up a friendly dialogue with us. It’s kind of like, you know, the parents are waiting for the children to work it out in the playground before they come, you know, and bring lunch to everybody and say, okay, you know. So it’s kind of a, it’s a very dangerous situation that we have here that we’ve got to figure out how humans can get along before we start even thinking about getting along with some other sort of species that are out there. So it’s very problematic. And I am, I am very, very worried about that. You and I are on the same page on that. You and I are on the same page. I think that if we don’t learn how to get along, we will never, like, have a seat on the table, just so to speak, you know. But I do want to ask you, though, because I have heard you talk about these beings not being malevolent in your experience. But I know that there are a lot of abduction experiences that haven’t been that positive, and even some of them have been purportedly abusive in many ways. So do you think that there might be two types of NHI, ones that are not so good and ones that are benevolent or like, maybe indifferent would be a good word? Yeah, I would say, well, first of all, I’m going to go back to you and I being on the same page, but it’s not just us. That that wall over there is full of literature where other people agree with us about this, you know, sort of scale. Now, now, back to your other question about more than one type. I think, again, this is belief. I have knowledge of two types because of my personal interaction with them. But that wall is full of stories and independently corroborated data about multiple different types of species. In the back of Richard Dolan’s book, he has a, the book I’m talking about, he’s written many books, Alien Agendas. He has two pages of descriptions of different craft and different beings. And so I think that the number was up to like 30-something. And he’s not exhaustive. He was just using that as an example that there are many different types. And so with that, with those numbers, it certainly makes sense to me that there’s going to be a scale of benevolence and less than malevolence, right, malevolence. So, so yes, I felt, and many others have felt, as if they were lab rats, that we weren’t necessarily tortured or treated harmfully on purpose. It was just a necessary thing. It’s kind of like, you know, your kids are misbehaving in the grocery store, and you’re going to grab them and take them out into the parking lot. So when you take them out of the parking lot, if they throw themselves down on the pavement, I actually had my youngest daughter, her mom had grabbed her arm, because she was, I think she was taking something, I forget what it was. But she threw her arm out of the socket because she dropped down onto the floor so quickly, it dislocated her shoulder. And so, you know, my wife was worried about going into the medical system, because now they think that she’d abused her or whatever. So, but in all seriousness, you know, what looks like harsh treatment, again, to a veterinarian, you know, you’re trying to hold the Labrador retriever down, you’re trying to hold my dog down. And, and because they’re wiggling and squealing, you know, maybe some damage happens. There’s certainly bruising, other other sorts of things, you may have to perform surgical procedures to take an implant out or put one in or whatever happens to be. But across the spectrum, all I can do is as a human behavioral scientist is extrapolate from from humans treatment. And again, 99% of violent crime against humans is committed by 1% of our population. So I don’t see any reason why that wouldn’t hold true out there. Maybe a smaller amount, maybe 0.05%. I don’t know. But I don’t think I don’t think it’s it’s an invasion. I don’t think it’s a onerous or I don’t think it’s an evil activity. And Matt, look, look what we do. We have kept our species alive by investigating diseases in quote, lower life forms, right? We do that all the time. What we do with bunny rabbits, we test, we test perfume on bunny rabbits for crying out loud, and we burn their skin. I mean, you know, we don’t do a particularly good job at it ourselves. And so at least some of these beings take some of our memories away as a means for us to at least carry on a normal life. So that’s the way I feel about it very much a range. And I can’t deny that way over this side and that 1% that may be some horrific stuff. Yeah, you know, and I can’t die. And that’s why we need weapons. You know, the folks that want us to just succumb and lay down and be submissive to whoever comes in. I am not in agreement with that. The USS Enterprise needs photon torpedoes, you need phasers. And if for no other reason, it’s just to protect yourself from other humans. You know, so, so it’s a it’s a really interesting balance. And this is the basis under which I am willing to forgive the cabal, if they just come clean and admit, look, sorry, bro, we couldn’t prevent you from being taken as a kid. We did what we could, but we couldn’t prevent that. And we’re sorry about that. But now, because we’ve done some crash retrievals, and we’ve reverse engineered some stuff. And we’re sorry that we charged you $4,000 for a toilet seat on an Air Force, you know, transport aircraft, because we really needed to funnel that into directed energy. I’m okay with that. And I suspect that the vast majority of this planet’s population would be willing to forgive their government for that. But they just got to come clean, and admit it. And then, and then we’ll be, I think we’ll be much better off. Yeah, things would make sense if they just came out and said something like that, right. But the reality is that after Jake Barber came out, a lot of the reactions were negative in the sense that Jake Barber used to work with them, with some of these companies. And a lot of people still are suspicious that Jake is still working with them. And that’s what I wanted to ask you about, though. I know that these companies are not monoliths. I know that there must be secrecy within the companies. How can we tell the people or try and get them on the page that perhaps forgiving and acknowledging that could be the way to go for these companies, in terms of how they look in front of people? Yeah, so that’s a great question. And I’m just going to defer to Dwight Eisenhower. He lectured on this, his departure as a five star general, who gave up his generalship, just like George Washington. And he said, No, I’m not going to be the President of the United States as a general, I’m going to be a civilian and run for office. And he was elected. And he warned us, essentially, if you look at his outgoing farewell speech, he warned us essentially, that he had lost control of the military industrial complex. And now, you know, because some of these visitors can interfere with our primary, our ultimate weaponry, nuclear weapons, with impunity, it makes sense that we would try to do whatever we could to at least start to approach some level of parity. And so, but again, the government’s got to admit that, at some point, and this is where I call for some strong leadership. And it’s very unfortunate, we just don’t have any leadership right now that has enough courage to admit that and say, Look, we screwed up. We weren’t able to protect you. Now we’re doing the best we can. This is we’re not going to tell you everything that we have. But we are doing the best that we can to protect most of you. And that’s about the best I could do. So the inspiration, I try to use the Santa Claus myth, the conspiracy, right, that, that I was so furious with my parents, not just that they lied to me about Santa Claus, but they made me lie to my younger sister. You know, so they, they forced me to participate in this conspiratorial cabal, right, with Santa Claus. But after they finally admitted it, then we all got along great, you know, and it was, but here’s the thing, you know, secrets, and ego go hand in hand. If I tell you something that you can’t tell anybody else, you can’t help it. You get a little hit, it’s kind of like, you know, clickbait. It’s kind of like all this positive attention. And so it blows your ego up. And that’s the problem that you that you face. And so one of the things about the special operations community is we are ruthless at taking people’s ego down. Even if you come out of the ring, and you choke some other guy out, there’s always somebody bigger, and they’ll always bring the next person in there. And so we’re really good about that. And I think that’s something that the National Command Authority could benefit from is, is being ruthless and attacking an out of control ego. And so this megalomania that comes along with this, and the pure greed, that the greed and the power that comes with, with holding on to this stuff is a real problem. So I, you know, I, all I can, all I can offer at this point, is to anybody in these high levels that are making these decisions, remember what it was like, when you finally admitted that you did something wrong, and how what a tremendous relief it was. So I talked about this ontological shock, versus Jake Barber’s ontological relief, that ontological relief will be so powerful. You know, people may carry you out of the, out of the off the field, you know, as the hero of the game, that sort of thing. And I think everybody deep down really wants that. They don’t want to go into their next lifetime or on their deathbed, thinking, you know, I screwed over humanity, by, by keeping this undercover. I think everybody, there’s a very special place in the legal system, and in cognitive psychology, for deathbed confessions. Because there’s nothing, there’s nothing you can really benefit from, you’re not going to extend your life, you know, another day, you know, you’re sitting there with terminal cancer. So, so I think, I think there’s a cleansing of the soul. And maybe religion can support this. A cleansing of the soul that you’ve, you’ve done what you can to benefit humanity, and not by declaring war on anything that enters our airspace. That is not to the benefit of humanity. That’s, we risk eradication with that, right? You just, you became a galactic pest. I talked about the galactic honeybees versus the Africanized bees, you know, that sort of thing. You don’t want to be a galactic pest. No, you don’t. But staying on that note, though, because I did see that, for example, the new administration as it was coming on, there were a bunch of congresspeople that were really certain of getting information and getting documents released and all that. We’re not seeing that. And I was wondering, because Lou’s book is named imminent. Yeah. And, and I wonder, this imminent aspect of this, could it be that as soon as the new administration came on, they realized that it was something way bigger than they imagined, and more scary, you know? What do you think that could be, if anything? Have you heard anything about that? Do you have any theories on what if something might be either coming here or happening or, you know? Yeah, I definitely have a theory. And I, first of all, I shared your optimism, especially with Marco Rubio, right, as a proponent for disclosure, has been a sort of an ally of Lou’s all along, and many other folks, Tim Burchett, and it’s bipartisan, you know, on both sides, at least in the US. So I had a lot of hope, and a lot of optimism. And every day, it’s fading a little bit, it’s like a step function, keeps coming down a little bit, a little bit longer, and then a little bit and a little bit, and it’s really starting to fade. And so this administration needs to recognize that that’s fading. And our faith and confidence in them is fading. And it’s a problematic situation. So I’m very disappointed. I could not agree with you more, especially with these, these claims that on the first day or within the first 30 days, the first, you know, two months or whatever, and here we are. And I don’t I don’t see any radio submissions about JFK or MLK or any of this or the Epstein files or any of the rest of that. So So yeah, I think, I think that I’m not certainly not the only one you asked the question. So I know it’s two of us, right? There are plenty of people that are disappointed. But in order to fight the fear of this, I want to point out that they get a vote. Right? They get a vote in this. And, and, and it would be useful for those in the new administration who are aware of this, who have seen some of the reports from behind it, to not forget that we have a we have age old saying in the special ops community, the enemy gets a vote. And it’s the biggest one. Right? And so I don’t want to portray the visitors, whoever’s visiting us as the enemy, because they’re not, in my opinion. There may be a small sliver in there that we could consider hostile. But if we want, if we want the others to rein them in, then we need to prove that we’re worthy of it. And that means we need to, you know, treat ourselves with respect. If we’re, if we’re going to be worthy of some other police force or some other mitigation, moderation, organization up there to help us, we need to, we need to start helping ourselves. So, that’s, that’s where my faith lies, is in them, perhaps getting a little bit more overt into this. And what if, what if they are calling the shots? I mean, that’s also look also could be certainly possible. It’s possible. The reason I don’t think it’s, it’s probable is because we have reined ourselves in with non-interference treaties ourselves. Right? So, there are many times, I’m aware of several, you know, discoveries of sort of an isolated tribe in a remote part of the country. And we have, we haven’t always done a very good job of it. In many cases with First Nations peoples, Native Americans, the Maori in New Zealand, and the Aboriginal peoples in Australia, it’s not always a good thing. But, but we’re gradually starting to realize that, you know, we need to respect these cultures, and not just run over. And so, because we have shown restraint, I think there’s reason to believe that they would show restraint, and maybe not solve all of our problems. Sometimes you got to let the kids work it out. You know, they got to work it out on their own playground. But if they start playing with matches, or if somebody sees an assault weapon out on that playground, then that parent, I would suspect that the vast majority of parents are at least going to call the cops. Right? If you got an assault weapon out there, we got to get involved. Right? So, the nuclear weapon is the equivalent of that assault weapon on the playground. Maybe that’s going to, maybe that’s going to bring them in. And it seems like that’s kind of been the case. If you look at, look at the nuclear enterprise, and Hastings’ book, and a lot of the witnesses, talk to Sal’s, talk to Jacobs, and all the rest of the guys I mentioned, Mario, and Terry, and Jeff. That’s sort of a common theme. It keeps coming back further and further. I would say that perhaps the reason you decided to become a behavioral psychologist is because of this, like the way we are reacting to it. Is that a fair assessment? That is a fascinating observation that you just made, Tomás, because we have asked ourselves this many times, chicken or egg? Right? Did we, did we get taken? Or did we have these experiences because we were in the nuclear industry? Or were we taken in childhood, and sort of inspired somehow, to get involved in the nuclear industry, so that maybe we could be part of the peace movement or something? I don’t know. But we have asked ourselves this many, many times. And so there’s two aspects of my educational motivations that have come along that are kind of interesting. One is the robotic side. And sort of my, some of my buddies call it my John Connor complex, right? That, that I’m convinced that robots are going to take over the world. So we got to prepare now. We got to, we got to start fighting machines now, right? So, so Terminator came out in 1984. And I didn’t go back to grad school until 1994. But that had enough time to percolate. But then there’s this biological robot aspect of one of my experiences that was just absolutely terrifying. And it’s kind of like, a child who is being ignored, they will act out, they will be bad, just to get some attention, some attention is better than no attention. Right? And so, with those big black eyes, and this lack of attention, like, like, I wasn’t even there, I was just an object to be dragged or pulled or whatever. That, that is terrifying on many different levels. So I wonder about that maybe being somewhat involved in my interest in robotics. And then the neuroscience aspect of it, particularly when it comes to human memory, because I’ll never forget, I was in a neuro class one day, and we had to come up with a project. And, and I, my project was, I was going to reverse engineer the, the flashy thingy from Men in Black, the neuralyzer. And so, so I got an A on that project, not because it was feasible, because, but because I recognized the limitations, that the seat of our memory is so deep down into the brain structure, that you would, you would do way too much damage to everything else, trying to get down in there with directed energy, that you would have, you would have a very significant impact on, on the patient. So we don’t have the technology to do that right now. But I have no doubt that, that someone even with just 100 years of advancement in neuroscience, it’s not linear, it’s, it’s a, it’s an exponential curve here, how much we’re learning about neuroscience. So, so we may be able to do that before too long, another century or so, maybe two, we may be able to, to, to interfere with memory, like they appear to do with us. So I wanted to ask you about that specifically, because Jake Barber talked about this psionics program that is very secretive. And he spoke about stress inoculation. I had a near death experience. And that level of trauma did change something in my brain, I think, because I, I mean, I’ve been experiences, experiencing high strangeness from my early teens. But after that, a lot changed. So I wanted to ask you, though, because you say that we’re like 100 years away from that. But there’s a lot of pharmacology that is not really known to the public, that can cause memory loss can cause a change in personality. So I wanted to ask you, how possible is it that these psionic programs that I know that there’s a darker aspect to them? How possible is it that they are really advanced in those terms? And how far have they gone? If you maybe have any idea that you can give us? I don’t, I don’t have any direct knowledge. But, and again, I’m not a neuroscientist. I used to call myself that, but I’m a cognitive psychologist and I dabble in neuroscience. It’s enough to know which tools to use, but that’s about it. So a real, you know, high level neuroscientist would be a great person to ask that question. But I don’t have any problem believing that. I’ve had 21 surgeries just because I’m a busted up Humpty, you know, special ops. I mean, it’s- I mean, you’re a former Green Beret. You would expect that from someone like that. Yeah, so I’ve broken a lot of my stuff and that doesn’t speak well for my athletic abilities, does it? But, so as a result of that, I know from many, many experiences under anesthesia that that is true. And I’ve had anesthesiologists tell me, yes, we can prophylactically, we can inhibit your memory consolidation going into the future. What we can’t do is go back and remove a memory from like last year. We can interfere with your ability to get access to it through the hippocampus because it’s a very vulnerable sub-organ of the brain. So, again, that leads me to believe that, yeah, that there’s that potential, highly regulated though. And, but like you say, who knows on the black market, you know, who knows what’s going on that way. Again, I want to feel that 99% of our fellow humans wouldn’t do that type of stuff. Politics is one, right? And 1% out of 9 million, that’s plenty of people that might get a little, you know, out there. So we got to have faith in law enforcement and our investigative, you know, bodies that would reign those folks in, those rogue programs in. But I also think what’s really important, what Jake said, is that, you know, he felt this intense feeling of love from that craft and sadness. And that’s where I want to extrapolate and say, yeah, that feels like parents that are watching their kids do bad things to each other and they just got to let it happen. Because if they interfere, they’re not going to learn. So they kind of got to let it happen. That’s what I’ve felt many, many times, you know, in a lot of this stuff. So hopefully we will learn collectively as a society not to do that kind of thing with each other. And that’s, we got to have faith in that, you know. So- You know what’s weird? When I saw Jake telling his story, that feeling was something that I felt when I had my fear of death experience. Did you? Yeah. Yeah. It felt like I was being scolded by something, you know, that you’re messing up your life because it happened because of an OD that I suffered about a decade ago. I’m far away from that now. Sure. But I was lucky enough to live through it. And after it all changed, I realized that I was sort of communicating with something at that moment. And when I saw Jake, it just felt exactly the same. Yeah. It’s fascinating, isn’t it? Yeah. It’s fascinating. And, you know, so we have this notion of a crucible that, you know, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger and it makes you more resilient, right? And so what you survived brought you forward. There’s a new source of strength there that you have that ability to resist those sorts of things. So I think there’s a very, I felt the same way. I felt it was a gift that I now understand that this body is just a soul container, a soul machine, a soul vessel, right? That, you know, it’s not worthy of worship. Yeah, fix it if it’s screwed up, right? Do some exercise, knock out a few extra pushups, you know, whatever. But, and we know this from the guys that go through, guys and gals now that go through special ops training, a lot of times the bodybuilders who really get off marveling at their body, they don’t make it through because, and it’s a weakness because there’s such a connection with that body that if they get injured in the slightest way, their life is destroyed. Yeah. And when you got to realize, you know, look, you can get through life with three limbs, two limbs, look at the special Olympics. My God, it wakes us up to just how resilient humans are. So my hat’s off to you for learning that resilience lesson and it’s a very powerful one, I think. Yeah, it’s changed my life completely. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about the psychology aspect of it because I know that there are not many therapists or psychologists who deal with this stuff. I’ve seen a lot of people that are experiencers that are struggling to find a proper therapist who can talk to them about this. And whenever they find themselves in front of one, when they’re trying to speak to them, most of these therapists are either skeptical or they’re just not like educated in the literature and what’s happening. What do you think should happen or what things should change for that to start like being more normal? Yeah. So that people can treat experiencers. Well, a wonderful question. And so there are some very experienced and well-trained and certified hypnotherapists that I have had the pleasure of meeting Yvonne Smith and she runs the CERO organization, Kathy Martin, of course, John Mack and Leo Sprinkle. So John Mack and Leo Sprinkle had an MD and PhD respectively, so they had those certifications. And the challenge is, the problem is, at least within the United States, is different states have different levels of certification. And so at some point, and those fluctuate. Colorado used to have a certification program that you had to go through to become a hypnotherapist. And that went away. And I know at least two therapists that left the state because of that, because they lost, it wasn’t that they lost their certification, they were still certified. But if they let anybody practice it as sort of an entertainment sort of thing, then what’s the value of being certified? So what, you know, so it’s, so certification is a necessary thing because it is a very powerful tool to use. And so the folks that have looked at this from the neuroscience side of it, David Spiegel, Andrew Huberman, and a couple other folks, it is not woo-woo anymore. It is well-recognized scientifically that the subconscious aspect of things is really, really important. And it can be vital in helping you recover and enhance resilience and reduce your own stress. David Spiegel’s particularly good about that. Matter of fact, he has an app that you can now hypnotize yourself. I’ll never forget, Leo Sprinkle told me one time that, look, all hypnosis is self-hypnosis. You cannot hypnotize somebody that doesn’t wanna be hypnotized. That’s BS. And so a lot of this woo-woo mythological aspect of needs to be chopped up and the science of it needs to come through. And so this is one of the reasons that I like EEG, wireless EEG, because it’s passive. It does, there’s nothing, there’s no directed energy going into your brain. It’s all just monitors, little electrodes on your scalp. And so you can see that the brainwaves of especially well-practiced meditators absolutely change significantly. And you can see that happen. It’s very valuable. And it’s also well-regarded in the US judicial system. And many, many folks have either been convicted or defended using information, evidence, and testimony collected under hypnosis. And so if you can put somebody in jail, put somebody on death row, partially based on this, why can’t you treat somebody or extract, you know, clarify memories with it? So I think science is coming to the rescue on that front. And it’s a really important aspect of it. So, you know, it’s changing, but I share your frustration that it’s not changing fast enough. We need to get a certification process in place that you as a patient, I guess, potential patient, or client can sort through what’s going on there. And here’s one of the other things that I would be skeptical of. I know a lot of folks are very well-intentioned and they want to, they just want to help. And if they’re providing their services free of charge, good for them, more power to you. However, that reduces a filtration level a little bit, right, because if you have somebody that has a true mental illness and they’re not willing to pay somebody to address that mental illness, then it does, it can, I’m not saying it will, but I’m saying it can take on a bit of a entertainment factor for it. But so this is the question that I always ask myself about a lot of John Max patients, some of whom went on Oprah. You got to ask yourself, okay, if they’re crazy, why the hell did they go to the guy in the first place? Right, why do they pay 300 bucks if they’re just making this up for attention? Would you really, really? You think that’s- Yeah, it’s an extra level of filtration as well as having an established medical record. And some people don’t want that and they need to be anonymous. And so that’s why MDs are trained in HIPAA protections and all these sorts of factors. And that’s why it’s really important to go to a certified hypnotherapist for your own protection as well. So it’s a real kind of a weak spot and I’m hoping the community will bump that up a level and get that spread out because there are a lot of people that need it. And they need to be able to recognize that there’s a true mental illness here and maybe there needs to be a referral to a psychiatrist where maybe pharmacological intervention is warranted. I mean, if the person’s at risk of harming themself, yeah, that might be worthy of that sort of thing or harming somebody else, God forbid. Yeah, mine is so powerful though. I wanted to ask you about, because one of the main cases that I’ve been following is from a fellow Mexican parapsychologist, you could say. He’s a physiological psychologist. His name was Jacobo Greenberg. And he disappeared in 1994 when he was conducting an experiment called the Transfer Potential. He was trying to prove that essentially quantum entanglement was real, but between human minds. And he was doing experiments in Mexico. And when he went to India to continue the experiments via satellite, he never really boarded the plane. Then there was a whole investigation where they found that he had ties to people from Stargate and from the CIA. And I managed to find a bunch of pictures of him with Dr. Jacques Vallee, with Dr. John Keel, with Dr. Andrea Puharic. And I’ve been trying to find out not just what happened to him, because I gathered that there may be some foul play there. And if I try to dig in too deep, I don’t wanna get in trouble, you know? But I think that his work was very important. And I wanted to ask you, because I saw Jake talking about this, that they believe that these psionic assets believe that we have the capacity to morph reality at our will, you know? And Greenberg talked about this intergic theory that it states that there is like this neuronal field that interacts with the lattice of reality. And that is what makes our experience of reality become real, so to speak. And I wanted to ask you though, do you think that it could be possible that Dr. Gary Nolan’s investigation into the cardiac containment could be tied to that? He could be discovering some kind of new stage in human evolution in terms of the brain? It’s certainly, well, so I’m gonna anticipate what Gary would say if he was on our Zoom call here. Again, correlation is not causation. And so what we have is a correlation with many of these people and with these white matter tracks. I haven’t seen any of them. I’m just reporting what I’ve heard him say and others say, as well as what’s in the literature. So there is evidence of an anomaly. Now, that’s a correlation. And so in order to arrive at a causation, you’ve really got to truncate, you’ve got to count for all the other variables around that. And that can be very difficult, especially since you don’t control the environment, right? So these are what, roughly 100 intelligence and military personnel who have self-reported problems and they’ve come into a medical doctor somewhere. And so you don’t have control over the environment where that activity occurred. So without controlling that environment, it’s really difficult to account for all those variables that you can start to now talk about causation. So that’s a problem. Now, I will say this, however, that we do know from meditation practice and EEG readings of people has become more and more adept at meditation that you can get yourself into a trance much quicker over time. And that the frequency with which the predominant neurological activity, neuroelectrical activity, chemical electric activity in your brain, those frequencies do change. And so it’s sort of like, I’m gonna use the muscular analogy that training muscle in order to develop that ability takes time. And so I have no problem believing that the Stargate program that I knew of it back during my day in the 90s, it was under a grill flame was the name of the project then. So those folks did practice and with practice become you get capability over time. So what would be really compelling is if you brought folks in and you did a baseline scan of their brain MRI, and then had them do this practice. And then if you see a similar change in the neurochemical structure of the brain, similar to that, now you’ve got some really compelling evidence. But I don’t know of anybody that’s done that. I wanna do that, but I don’t know anybody that’s done that yet. And that might be a next logical first step. I know that Dr. Greenberg was trying to do that with shamans in the 70s and 80s, but he obviously didn’t have the technology we have today. So, but yeah, shamans are very similar to the people that do meditation. They had, he did like a measurement of their coherence. And he found that it was very similar to people who practice meditation to those of the shamans that he studied. He studied like five or six and wrote a bunch of books about them. And he saw things that I don’t mean, it’s difficult to believe that he saw like one of these shamans allegedly, and Dr. Buharic also studied this shaman, Pachita was her name, that she allegedly materialized objects out of thin air, which was hard to believe though. That gets into the woo-woo, but we’ve got to leave our minds open because again, when you look at the structure of an atom, it’s all space. You know, I use this analogy, I’ve got a great friend of mine, brilliant guy, maybe smarter than I am by any stretch. And he used to take his chemistry class out and describe the structure of an atom. And he put a golf ball, tennis ball in the middle of the stadium. And he would ask his students, that’s a helium atom, so there’s two, so there’s two electrons in a shell. And he’d ask, okay, you guys, where do you think the first shell is, where the electrons are? And they’re like, I don’t know, maybe over there at that 30 yard line, 50 yard line. And he’s like, no, it’s downtown, you know, the relative size. So for those students, it was visceral for them to realize that the vast majority of space inside an atom is just that, it’s space. And then when you look inside the golf ball, inside the nucleus and the proton, and now you have subatomic particles in there, it’s all space for crying out loud. So the notion of being able to manipulate energy to create a physical object, I have no problem with the theoretical basis of that. It makes all the sense in the world. How do you get it to self-organize? Now that gets into some difficult, now we’re talking about a lot of power, right? And so this is also in that transition from belief in faster than life’s travel. All it takes is a lot of power, right? So that’s easy to say, but look how much power was discovered when we split the atom. I mean, that was freaking mind blowing, right? And so we know that there’s these, we at least have one precedent beyond chemical transition and explosives. Now we have subatomic energy release that is mind blowing. Who’s to say that there’s not something even more powerful than that? Or does a magnitude more powerful than that? So theoretically, I have no problem with what you just said. Of course, I would have to be skeptical and see it happen. And then we have to control all the environments. But when you look at the telepathy tapes, I don’t know if you’ve seen that program or any of that. I’ve had Dr. Dickens and Dr. Powell on the show. Yes, and so the way that she and the filmmaker that produced it, they both went to great lengths to ensure scientific control of variables and to isolate variables and to eliminate any other possibility that could account for it. And I find it to be very compelling. So I do not believe that telepathy is woo-woo anymore. It is based in science. Yeah, it also really relaxed me finding out because I was really scared after my few death experience about death. After I heard the tapes, I’m no longer afraid of death, which is really fascinating to me. It’s fascinating to me too. And I’ll tell you somebody else who has helped me through my fear fighting effort is Linda Bachman and Michael Newton. They formed a noetic society and they did very compelling evidence of life after death, of reincarnation. And don’t take it from me or them. And there’s a whole department of a major university in Virginia. They have 3,000 cases of reincarnation. So once you embrace the notion that this lifetime is one of many, I mean, it just, it takes all the heat off you. That doesn’t mean you could sit back and be a couch potato, right? You still, you know, you need to have a positive impact. And to me, that’s what life is all about is learning and helping others learn, you know? And so, and it’s such a relief, an ontological relief to use Jake’s impression that look, even if you screw this up, you get another shot and you get another shot after that and another shot after that. So yeah, you may have to repeat fourth grade, you know, but you know, you get an, and here’s the other thing is if somebody has done you wrong, they’re accountable, right? You know, so even if it’s some other being that’s viciously, you know, attacking you and defiling you and mutilating your body or whatever, they’re accountable too, right? And this is how I deal with the whole religion thing. You know, some of my guys, you know, they’re like, whenever we get into the discussion of UFOs or ETDs, they’re like, oh, I’m a God guy. I’m like, yeah, so am I, dude. What do you, it’s not mutually exclusive, you know, because who made them? You know, who made all these other beings? So it’s not either God or ET, it’s all of the above. It’s all a big, marvelous, you know, melting pot mixture of wild, mysterious, crazy stuff, you know, it’s fabulous. Yeah, just a couple of questions before I leave you, sir. Sure. If that’s okay. Okay, so staying on that a little bit, because I’ve seen people like Dr. Jacques Vallee, Diana Pasolka, and others talking about how they seem to be a little bit more convinced on the angelic and demonic aspect of this phenomenon. I wanted to take your perspective on that because you’ve had an experience firsthand with the mantid beings. Why do you think they seem so convinced of that, of this being the case? There’s also the Chris Bledsoe case. He thinks they’re angelic in nature. Sure. Where do you stand on that? Oh, I think, so look, we all have our own experiences and our own pattern of life, and we are the benefactors of those experiences and the victims of those, depending on what they were. So in the cognitive psychology world, we talk a lot about framing, right? How you frame the world, your worldview as John Mack used to describe it. And so for someone who is immersed in a particular religious orientation, whether or not it’s Judaism, Christianism, Buddhism, whatever it happens to be, then it makes sense that you’re going to frame whatever this experience is within that framework. So I have no problem with any of that. And in my opinion, all religion is pretty well intentioned, right? Don’t kill each other, right? Don’t steal from each other. Now, sometimes it gets a little extreme and eye for an eye, hand for a hand, I’m not sure I’m in agreement with that. I ascribe more to the golden rule type of thing. But if we step back, rewind back about 30 minutes or so, when you asking about the malevolence versus benevolence side, wouldn’t it make sense to describe that in terms of angels and demons? That could easily be within that realm as well. So I have no problem with all of that being true. It’s not mutually exclusive. I kind of call myself a non-exclusive Christian, right? I am okay with you, with all of that. Just don’t tell me not to believe anybody else. I do see a contradiction in the first commandment saying, only believe in me, don’t believe in any other gods. Wait a minute. That comes from a place of insecurity to me. If that being, whoever that was, truly is omniscient and is the big super God, why do they have to say that? You don’t have to say that. Why do you have to? A, that means there’s other gods out there. So that’s a contradiction. And B, why do you tell me not to listen to them? If what you’re saying is true in there or not, it should be obvious. So there’s a lot of contradictions in that, but I have no trouble with anybody framing what, cause here’s the thing. We are all the product of the information that we see, right? And we’re seeing this more and more. And there’s a big problem with AI, is if you limit the data that an artificially, a machine intelligence algorithm or a large learning model algorithm or any of these algorithms get access to, if you limit that data, you’ve got problems. Because if you limit the data to the internet, humans don’t look good on the internet. Look at all those stupid YouTube videos, right? Especially on Twitter. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we don’t look good. So if you turn a reasoning machine loose on a limited set of data, you can mislead it and you can bring it down a wrong road. So it’s really, really important in my perspective for anybody in any religion to go explore others. And that’s what I love about Diana Pasalka’s work is she has explored the others, or at least she’s written to that effect. And so I have no trouble with it at all, that there are angelics, there are negatives. I don’t agree in a parody. I think the vast majority is positive with a small sliver. And again, that’s just a numbers factor for me. It’s in the judicial numbers when you look across police forces. So it’s in a numbers game for me, way more angels than demons. Okay, thank you for that. I’m Mexican. So I’ve been investigating a case that came out all the way back in 2014, which is the NASCA desiccated corpses. So there’s this clamor for physical evidence within the Five Eyes and all of this that is happening in the US. Meanwhile, in Peru, there is physical evidence. And I’ve seen the data and I’ve seen that a lot of that data is very compelling. It has already been established by scientists over there that the tridactyl features of the beings are natural. They were formed that way, they grew that way, and that these beings were at some point living beings. So why do you think there’s some kind of like artificial silence or maybe it’s, maybe it’s some purpose? Why do you think the Americans and the people from the Five Eyes are ignoring this case so much if the data is so compelling? Yeah, for me, my theory about the center of the secrecy is the abduction phenomenon. And my rationale for that is that when you look at how resilient different civilizations have been over the years, over millennia, we are a really resilient species and it takes a lot for us to collapse. But when it gets to a fearful situation, you gotta tease it apart a little bit. So lights in the sky, that’s not enough in my mind to risk a societal collapse. Even the notion that some of these lights in the sky are actually vessels, boats, in ancient storylines and so forth, or a lot of times ships and vessels are used to describe them. So the notion that there are weird beings on there isn’t scary enough. But any parent who has lost track of their kids, the terror that takes hold of your heart, when I let my daughter scrambling all over the place, trying to find her a buddy of mine’s room, the abduction phenomenon lies at the core of our fear factor. And so that is absolutely the deepest level secret. And so when you see not just one body that might be dismissed as just a genetic anomaly, and you have multiple bodies, that’s a big chunk of evidence. And they kind of look like the beings that a lot of experiencers say are the people that take them with the three digits, my own little three bruises. That is right, now you’re really close to the core. Your three bruises, you think those are like, those beings had three digits on them? Oh, absolutely. Holy crap. So three over the top, and then one on the back on the triceps. So these were very dark blue, purple, and this one was purple, yellowish. And I think it’s just because there wasn’t as much blood vessels there, on the back as it’s close to your bone. But yeah, that was very clear on the inside of my arm when I woke up that next morning after the weird hurricane looking cloud. Wow, so you think it’s fear-based, not paying attention to the case of the Nazca beings. Well, yeah, I think, first of all, I think the abduction phenomenon is at the core, and that’s how you can get an otherwise very trustworthy person, somebody that has sworn an oath to the Constitution, to the United States of America, you can get them to lie. You can get them to lie, and you can get them to threaten other people to lie, is if you show them direct evidence of the abduction phenomenon, and you convince them how terrifying that is, then they could say, yeah. They can rationalize to themselves, yeah, you’re right, we gotta keep this a secret. The kids can’t handle this. And so that’s the basis for my effort right now, the fear fighter effort, is to expose that, that the vast majority of these abductions are just veterinarian procedures. Like they were for me. The vast majority of the folks who report, they’re either, in many cases, they have healed us. They have actually healed the people that have taken. And it’s still terrifying in the process, but so was it, it was for my dog when I brought my dog to the vet. And so that’s the feeling that I got from my experiences, and I’m not alone. There are many, many people with that very same feeling that they came away feeling very positive. And then even if they feel terrified, they gotta admit, you know, I don’t have tuberculosis scars anymore. I don’t have a bad knee anymore. And they have to admit that to themselves. And then the older you get, and you get out of this childhood, you know, anger, emotional content, you start to think back on it. Huh, maybe that was a blessing, you know, kind of like we were talking about with your experience and how, you know, it has broadened your horizon now. When you’re in it, it’s horrible, you know, and enormously, the amount of fear and constraint. But when you look back on your life, you know, after a few decades, yeah, maybe it wasn’t so bad. So that’s the way I feel about it. And I think there’s a lot of evidence to support that. You know, what’s really wild, that when I spoke to Bob Salas, he also talked to me about the experience he had, and he remembers also three bony fingers. Yes, he does. That’s mind-blowing. Yes, he told me that same story, and my heart goes out to him, because it is mind-blowing. And that happened long, well, well, I don’t wanna speak for him, but yeah, that was fascinating. The fact that you’re making that correlation to your experience too, it makes me understand why, yeah, there’s so much like ignorance, willful ignorance towards those bodies being there. But I hope that we can get to a place where a lot of people from the, not just the US government, but all governments can start acknowledging those bodies, because they’re a big part of the puzzle, I think. They are, I agree. It’s kind of frustrating that they’re not being acknowledged at all. I agree. And I also think, when you look at Brazil, it’s much more open about a lot of the activity down there. So hopefully they can nudge the rest of the world and drag us kicking and screaming into reality, into truth. And again, I think that’s what makes the internet and the fact that we’re talking over the internet such an important aspect of our awakening to this, because I feel like we’ve been treated like three and four year olds. Now we’re the rebellious teenagers and you can’t constrain the information that we get now. And so screw you parents. And we’re very nosy too. Yeah. We’re very nosy too. Yeah, exactly. You’re right. You’re right. Okay, so last question. My friends said living life consciously. I always try to ask this question for them and I wanted to ask it to you. So here it goes. What is your biggest hope for the future of humanity? Yeah, so my hope is that we become aware of our place in a galaxy teeming with life. And once we do that, once that takes hold and there’s gonna be little islands and pockets of resistance that in many cases, the framing is rooted in sort of an arrogance that nothing can be like us. But once that awakening occurs that we will then, we will have sort of a backlash and we will come together. It’s kind of like a nuclear explosion, right? So you surround a core and you explode it and it implodes. And I’m hoping that awareness of the galaxy, this galactic society out there teeming with life will help us focus inside and find more commonality between us and bridge the gap in culture and language and realize we have far more in common than we have in terms of differences. And that’s what I’m hoping for. And I’m hoping it’ll heal us across the board. Not just here in the United States where you have red states and blue states fighting each other, but China and Russia and the U.S. and the U.S. and Mexico and tariffs and all this craziness that it can drive us together to sort of fuse us together. And maybe that’s what it’ll take. And maybe they’re gonna have to get involved to do that. I don’t know. We’ll see. I hope so. I hope so. Well, Dr. Blitch, I wanna thank you for your time. This was brilliant. I hope we can do it again sometime. Yes, sir. Absolutely. And well, I hope that you can keep convincing other people like you to keep coming forward because that is what I think helps the most. More credentialed people explaining what they experienced. That is gonna keep moving the needle forward. So thank you. Well, thank you very much for what you’re doing. Every single day, it’s super important to us. Thank you, sir. Thanks for your time. Bye. Have a great one. Yep, bye now.