Jeremy Corbell on Jesse Michels / American Alchemy (June 2026)
Source: YouTube, Jesse Michels / American Alchemy — ““If You Knew What I Knew!” — Jeremy Corbell UNLEASHES On Jesse Michels.” Published: 2026-06-07 (3:00:19). URL: https://youtu.be/-XdvIrexF08 Guest: Jeremy Corbell (filmmaker; Weaponized podcast w/ George Knapp; Sleeping Dog documentary; represents experiencer/whistleblower Dylan Borland). Transcription: YouTube English auto-captions via youtube_transcript.py --timestamps (machine ASR; minor errors, incl. “Gaffne”=Gaffney, “Putoff”=Puthoff, “Latsky”=Lacatski, “Hamarov”=Hameroff, “Bigalow”=Bigelow, “Loheed”=Lockheed). Captured: 2026-06-07. Analysis: corbell-career-and-claims.
3-hour wide-ranging interview. Notable threads: Dylan Borland’s claimed Congress testimony (a gold-plasma-clad triangle craft near a NASA hangar); Corbell’s “three things never said before,” sourced to an intelligence agency and lawyer-cleared — framed as the US having mated a non-human power source to a man-made craft body that “can’t handle it”; naming Glenn Gaffney (CIA S&T) re: the Lockheed→Bigelow craft-transfer block; claimed unreleased John Lear 1977 Groom Lake photos; and Corbell’s notable skepticism toward the psionics / “call in craft” (Skywatcher/Greer) crowd. All single-source / relayed — see analysis.
[00:00:00.080] And that’s when you see that footage and [00:00:03.280] he just unloaded. [00:00:06.240] He says, “I know UFOs are real. I was [00:00:09.840] inside one. I know they were made with [00:00:12.240] materials that we can’t duplicate. We [00:00:14.240] can’t replicate.” First time you ever [00:00:16.880] hear him like, “Fuck the noise.” [00:00:21.199] My name is Jeremy Corbel. I seek to [00:00:23.840] weaponize your curiosity. and I see a [00:00:26.880] white light pop up and stop about 100 ft [00:00:29.199] in the air. [00:00:30.560] >> On weaponized, you’ve broken some [00:00:32.480] amazing stories. Matthew Brown, Dylan [00:00:34.800] Borland, Jim Latsky. [00:00:36.480] >> You told us because you were allowed to [00:00:38.239] tell us that our government has a UFO in [00:00:40.559] its possession and has been able to [00:00:42.239] access the inside of it. Right. [00:00:44.160] >> Yes. [00:00:46.000] >> It’s a Rubik’s cube. It’s a [00:00:48.160] constellation. [00:00:50.239] It is a variety of investigations with [00:00:53.520] different hardware, software, and minds [00:00:55.280] on them to exploit in different ways. [00:00:58.000] Working on a craft is different than [00:01:00.000] working with a craft. [00:01:02.719] Do you think we get another Bob Lazar [00:01:05.199] coming out near term? [00:01:06.479] >> We almost got it and he’s dead. [00:01:10.960] Matthew Sullivan was fact going to [00:01:14.320] testify 2 weeks about before he died, I [00:01:17.040] think. And that’s why people and the FBI [00:01:19.840] are investigating if his death was [00:01:22.320] suspicious. [00:01:24.560] >> Somebody you know [00:01:25.360] >> Yeah. [00:01:25.680] >> worked on the reverse engineering [00:01:27.200] >> Yeah. [00:01:27.759] >> of a laser weapon system from a downed [00:01:31.040] Russian asset. [00:01:33.040] >> NHS. [00:01:33.680] >> Last name start with T. [00:01:35.119] >> We’re not playing that game in front of [00:01:36.479] camera. [00:01:37.840] >> I’m going to crack a beer for this part. [00:01:39.280] I wanted to have a a drink with Jesse. [00:01:41.040] He’s got water cuz he’s an alien. [00:01:43.680] >> So this is back and forth. [00:01:45.520] >> Rapid fire. Okay. [00:01:47.119] >> Are you independent [00:01:49.680] or are you controlled, [00:01:52.479] >> bro? Let’s not get into it, right? You [00:01:54.159] said you don’t want to. [00:01:55.040] >> Okay, [00:01:55.759] >> so let’s not. [00:01:56.479] >> We can if you want. [00:01:57.920] >> Bro, this is going to be so awkward for [00:02:00.399] your audience. [00:02:02.960] >> Ignition sequence. [00:02:06.719] >> How is this possible? [00:02:09.119] >> Nothing too unusual about that. [00:02:12.879] Their existence cannot longer be denied. [00:02:24.640] Before we dive into this wild episode, I [00:02:27.120] want to give a huge thank you to one of [00:02:28.959] today’s sponsors, Dose. 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[00:04:05.439] Jeremy Corbel, Jesse Michaels, this is [00:04:08.000] an honor and it’s been a long time [00:04:09.519] coming and I’m just so grateful for you [00:04:11.920] coming on the show. This is really cool. [00:04:14.080] You uh need no intro, but I’m going to [00:04:16.320] give you one. [00:04:16.959] >> Okay. [00:04:17.359] >> Uh you broke the OG original [00:04:21.280] whistleblower of the UFO reverse [00:04:23.040] engineering program, the guy that did it [00:04:24.960] in, you know, there are guys before him [00:04:26.240] like Bill Uouse, but in the most [00:04:28.000] credible, [00:04:29.520] thorough way. And that’s Bob Lazar. He [00:04:31.840] made an amazing documentary about him [00:04:34.080] and covered it as thoroughly as anybody. [00:04:36.560] Obviously, working closely with George [00:04:38.160] Knap, who broke the story. [00:04:39.360] >> I was going to say, I did not break that [00:04:40.800] story. That story got broke because Bob [00:04:42.960] was about to get broken by opposition. [00:04:45.840] And George Knap not only broke that [00:04:48.479] story with Bob, but he carried it along [00:04:51.199] the way, making sure his reporting was [00:04:53.600] accurate to this [ __ ] day. [00:04:55.440] >> That’s right. Can I say those words? [00:04:57.120] >> You can say those. You can say whatever [00:04:58.479] you want. [00:04:58.800] >> We broke the [ __ ] barrier. We did. And [00:05:02.320] you and George are close collaborators, [00:05:04.560] longtime colleagues. You’ve called him [00:05:06.000] your mentor. And you guys both host the [00:05:08.400] podcast Weaponized. Everybody should [00:05:10.000] check that out [00:05:11.199] >> on Weaponized. You’ve broken some [00:05:13.440] amazing stories. Matthew Brown. I want [00:05:15.680] to get into I want to get into Dylan [00:05:17.440] Borland. I want to get into another [00:05:19.600] person who breached the hole and walked [00:05:22.240] into a UFO not in some sort of liinal [00:05:25.280] state in a dream but in a presumably a [00:05:27.840] hanger an aerospace hanger in Jim [00:05:29.680] Latsky. Uh so you’ve broken some of the [00:05:32.880] most incredible interesting stories when [00:05:35.840] it comes to UFOs and I’m very excited to [00:05:39.199] speak to you today. [00:05:40.639] >> Thank you so much Jesse. [00:05:42.639] >> I’m excited to speak to you. There are [00:05:44.000] things that people don’t know background [00:05:45.360] things that I think will be really [00:05:46.479] interesting to people. You didn’t [00:05:47.919] mention David Gush. I want to talk to [00:05:49.199] you about how that all went down. He [00:05:51.199] came over to George Naple to him at a [00:05:52.880] bar with the unclassified ICIG [00:05:55.440] complaint. And we took so much time [00:05:57.039] vetting him to make sure and I fought to [00:05:59.199] make sure he could talk in Congress. And [00:06:00.639] he’ll tell you the exact same thing. I [00:06:02.160] fought they didn’t want him to testify. [00:06:03.919] And he’s one of many they didn’t want to [00:06:06.160] testify. Additionally, what people might [00:06:08.800] not know is George Knap and I did break [00:06:10.960] the Commander Fra story, the tic tac [00:06:12.800] story. We did it quietly on the radio [00:06:15.919] twice [00:06:16.880] >> before the 2017 New York Times. [00:06:19.039] >> Yes, sir. Reverse time machine. [00:06:21.680] >> Wow. [00:06:22.160] >> People got to be audio daidex or [00:06:24.000] whatever. They got to like go in there [00:06:25.280] and listen. I can pull them up. [00:06:28.080] >> Well, let’s get cuz you just said [00:06:29.600] something very interesting leaning over [00:06:31.520] at a bar. [00:06:32.400] >> Yes. [00:06:33.199] >> With David Grush. So, what happened [00:06:35.680] there? [00:06:36.319] >> Okay. [00:06:39.360] So, there’s so many things. Where’s your [00:06:41.199] audience? There’s so many things Jesse [00:06:42.400] and I want to talk about because this is [00:06:43.919] like actually him and me just talking. [00:06:46.319] Um, and this is long overdue. So, when [00:06:49.680] you ask me a question, I’m going to [00:06:51.520] answer directly and then we can go from [00:06:53.199] there. What happened there? [00:06:56.400] What happened is we were in Rocket City, [00:06:59.759] Alabama. [00:07:00.560] >> Mhm. Um, [00:07:03.440] and we were there for SCU because there [00:07:06.560] were some people that are not public [00:07:09.360] that we wanted an opportunity to meet [00:07:11.759] with where it was like we could go [00:07:14.800] somewhere and have a actual private [00:07:18.000] in-person meeting. So, we went to the [00:07:22.319] SCU thing so that we could do a [00:07:25.199] journalism thing. [00:07:28.479] I happened to be filming cuz that’s why [00:07:31.759] we were there. I was filming [00:07:34.880] and I’m pointing the camera at George. I [00:07:36.400] thought it was just so cute. He’s like, [00:07:37.759] you know, gets to this thing. He’s he’s [00:07:39.599] overwhelmed with all this stuff and like [00:07:41.120] he and I like to just have a beer. I’m [00:07:44.080] going to crack this at a certain point. [00:07:45.520] So, [00:07:48.639] bartender gives him a beer. And as I’m [00:07:50.800] filming, this guy’s blocking my shot. He [00:07:53.039] like comes in and he whispers to George [00:07:55.280] Knapp and I’m protected like a pit bull, [00:07:56.879] right? So immediately I capture I watch [00:07:58.960] him and turns out that was David Grush [00:08:03.039] >> and he’s essentially we knew about David [00:08:06.639] but but we we have to vet every single [00:08:09.440] source no matter how good they sound. [00:08:11.599] That’s our job. You got to vet them, [00:08:13.680] right? And that and that I’m on cosmic [00:08:15.599] time. Journalists that rush stories out, [00:08:18.560] they want to be first. I want to be [00:08:19.680] first. I want to be right. want to get [00:08:22.080] it right. [00:08:23.919] So, he leaned over and I got it all. Lip [00:08:27.680] readers know what he said. He was kind [00:08:29.680] of trying to do like he didn’t know it [00:08:31.039] was filming. Now he does. Now he does. [00:08:32.880] >> What? I’ll I’ll I’ll give you an out. [00:08:34.640] What did the lip readers say that he [00:08:36.560] said? [00:08:37.200] >> You know, essentially all he said was um [00:08:40.159] my name is David Grush. I’m an intel [00:08:43.120] officer. You know, a little bit of [00:08:44.560] history. [00:08:45.040] >> Sure. Um, I am going to [00:08:48.160] come I’m going to file or I just did [00:08:51.040] file actually my official ICIG inspector [00:08:56.480] uh intelligence committee inspector [00:08:57.760] general which we should break down for [00:08:59.279] your audience. A lot of people don’t [00:09:00.560] know what that means. [00:09:01.600] >> Mhm. [00:09:02.959] >> Inspector general is like the police. [00:09:05.200] Let’s look at it that way. How I [00:09:06.959] understand it from a Simpson version, [00:09:09.200] right? Police. The IC is intelligence [00:09:12.000] community. Wraps up all the intelligence [00:09:13.760] communities. At the top of that is ODNI, [00:09:16.560] office of the director of national [00:09:18.000] intelligence, but CIA is under them as [00:09:22.240] well as maybe 16 intelligence agencies [00:09:24.640] that are acknowledged within the United [00:09:26.640] States. [00:09:28.240] So that’s what the inspector general of [00:09:31.040] the intelligence community is, is the [00:09:33.360] watchdog of the intelligence community. [00:09:36.160] And that’s very relevant. Up until this [00:09:37.920] minute, we’re talking some stuff was in [00:09:39.839] the news just a few days ago. And I want [00:09:41.600] to break that down for people. So, David [00:09:43.920] Grush [00:09:45.519] provides [00:09:47.040] in absolute legal capacity [00:09:50.160] enough information for me and George to [00:09:53.440] begin. So, we have our little side talks [00:09:56.399] and we’re like, “Well, I’m like, George, [00:09:57.760] you know, you know what I got to do?” He [00:09:59.120] goes, “Yeah, you got to take him to a [00:10:00.800] bar.” I go, “But he doesn’t drink.” Cuz [00:10:02.720] I asked him, right? All right. We’ll get [00:10:04.240] him anyway. So, I met up with him later [00:10:06.160] that night and he watched me drink uh a [00:10:09.120] beers, which is glorious. And I always [00:10:10.640] like sip them, you know, just to stay on [00:10:12.959] the level. I think Gary Nolan was there [00:10:15.040] with us and he did actually take a shot [00:10:16.640] with me. If he says he didn’t, he’s [00:10:18.000] lying. I think he’ll admit to it. Gary [00:10:19.440] Nolan came out to the thing and um I got [00:10:22.000] to know David a little bit. You know how [00:10:23.839] you and I like get to know each other a [00:10:25.600] little bit over time the first time, [00:10:27.279] right? That’s what happened that day. [00:10:29.920] But then what happened after is what [00:10:31.360] people don’t know, which is how do you [00:10:33.360] communicate about something sensitive [00:10:35.519] just like signal smoke signals? How do [00:10:38.320] you how do you do it? So, we got to a [00:10:40.240] point where we knew David Gush was not [00:10:42.880] only legit, but everything he said is [00:10:47.120] accurate. Not just to the best of his [00:10:49.279] knowledge that it is accurate. And [00:10:52.720] there’s a difference there. So, [00:10:56.959] that began the conversation. [00:11:00.480] What is the end goal here? You’re you’re [00:11:03.120] worried, right? Yeah, of course he’s [00:11:04.800] worried. He’s a lone standing wolf [00:11:08.079] telling the world something they had [00:11:10.000] never heard before, always have [00:11:11.360] suspected, and our government has [00:11:12.959] covered it up for all these decades. I’m [00:11:15.519] getting goosebumps because if I was in [00:11:18.160] his position, [00:11:20.000] >> think about the pool of people that know [00:11:22.240] and then the pool pool of people that [00:11:23.920] really know anything. It was his job to [00:11:26.399] investigate black budget programs [00:11:27.680] surrounding UAP. He did 40 like [00:11:30.000] depositions, whatever you call them, and [00:11:32.000] more. This guy has put everything on the [00:11:35.519] line. Everything. He broke the fold. [00:11:37.920] Stop for personal gain. First question I [00:11:40.560] asked him at the bar, you know. I said, [00:11:43.519] “You got to tell me what I’m going to [00:11:46.000] find out. What’s your dirt? What’s the [00:11:49.279] lowest point in your life? Because if [00:11:51.440] you’re telling the truth, that’s what [00:11:53.440] they’re going to come after. PTSD. Bro, [00:11:56.640] >> I was in combat in Afghanistan 2013. And [00:11:59.680] you know, I got diagnosed as, you know, [00:12:01.519] post-traumatic stress disorder, you [00:12:03.600] know, sought treatment. You know, I got [00:12:05.040] help, good to go. But there was an [00:12:07.440] agency that tried to dig that back up [00:12:09.200] and say, “Oh, Dave still has ongoing [00:12:12.240] issues, unmitigated. We need to pull his [00:12:15.760] clearance.” And then I had to show my [00:12:17.120] medical records and be like, “No, dude. [00:12:19.040] I sought treatment. Still do because [00:12:21.680] that’s what you do.” And they they tried [00:12:24.240] to use that against it. Was crazy. [00:12:26.480] almost every service person and [00:12:28.480] non-service people I know can have that. [00:12:31.600] So they of course attacked that in a [00:12:33.440] malicious way leaked by intelligence [00:12:35.040] community to a fake journalist cuz fake [00:12:37.680] journalists don’t pay people by the way. [00:12:40.880] So that’s the story of the beer. It was [00:12:45.040] the beginning of the potential of having [00:12:47.360] somebody raise their hand in front of [00:12:49.120] the world, America, the Congress, the [00:12:51.680] entire world, and say, “Not only are [00:12:54.880] UFOs real, but we are reverse [00:12:57.920] engineering the craft. We’ve been [00:13:00.000] exploiting their derivative technologies [00:13:01.839] for decades. We’ve made very little [00:13:03.440] progress, but a little bit.” And there [00:13:05.600] were biologics just means pilots, [00:13:08.399] beings, nonhuman. And that was the [00:13:11.760] assessment of that’s what he followed up [00:13:13.680] with. That’s what David Gres did. He [00:13:17.200] popped the balloon and now we’re all [00:13:19.920] just trying to like catch up. And you’re [00:13:23.600] talking about a guy who handled the [00:13:25.279] presidential daily brief was well [00:13:27.600] regarded by a lot of his colleagues. I [00:13:29.440] also in the name of vetting. He was one [00:13:32.160] of the guys who I got to [00:13:33.440] >> got on camera first and brought him out. [00:13:37.440] actually Coldart did, but I but I also [00:13:40.720] had known him for a couple years before. [00:13:43.440] >> Yes, sir. [00:13:44.240] >> And and I met some of his colleagues [00:13:47.760] >> and they all just spoke about him in [00:13:50.399] super high regard. Even colleagues who [00:13:52.800] weren’t working with him in an official [00:13:54.720] capacity investigating UFO programs. [00:13:56.560] They just worked with him in other [00:13:58.639] >> capacities um that are prosaically well [00:14:01.839] regarded. you know, like like handling [00:14:03.760] the presidential daily brief being in, [00:14:06.079] you know, the National Geospatial Agency [00:14:07.920] and they [00:14:08.480] >> I want you to give his biography and all [00:14:10.000] that, [00:14:11.040] >> but next level [00:14:13.279] >> find somebody that that doesn’t like [00:14:14.959] him. [00:14:16.800] >> Find out if they tell you I don’t like [00:14:19.279] him, but [00:14:20.399] >> and then they tell you what he did and [00:14:22.399] then you’re like, uhhuh. [00:14:23.600] >> I I I have met people who don’t like him [00:14:27.040] and uh it feels like they have ulterior [00:14:29.279] motives. [00:14:29.760] >> Right. Right. But you still in the early [00:14:31.440] in the early stages you you you know [00:14:33.680] co-worker situation all this you got [00:14:35.360] people like people don’t like them that [00:14:36.639] kind of thing. You when you’re [00:14:38.240] investigating something you always try [00:14:39.920] to find the people that want to hurt [00:14:41.839] somebody or don’t like them and see if [00:14:44.240] they can’t deny certain truths that [00:14:46.639] you’re looking to validate. That’s one [00:14:48.639] tactic in journalism. The funny thing is [00:14:51.519] when I try to kind of corroborate his [00:14:53.839] claims with, you know, people I meet in [00:14:55.920] the government, I say, “Hey, like what [00:14:58.240] about what he’s saying isn’t true.” And [00:15:00.160] they’re like, “Well, a lot of it checks [00:15:02.079] to be honest.” And like, you know, his [00:15:04.240] pretty above board as far as his [00:15:05.600] background goes, but like I don’t know. [00:15:07.920] It’s just this. And and they use these [00:15:09.360] like handwavy ways to sort of explain it [00:15:12.240] away. [00:15:12.959] >> And I’m like, “Okay, well, why don’t you [00:15:14.560] go a little deeper? Why don’t you look [00:15:15.680] into you know if you have the proper [00:15:17.279] clearances you know he gave presumably [00:15:20.079] hundreds of pages to Thomas Mannheim the [00:15:22.639] IC inspector general [00:15:24.480] >> not not allegedly whatever word oh you [00:15:26.480] said [00:15:27.040] >> I don’t know about the amount of pages [00:15:28.480] but you know it doesn’t matter [00:15:30.800] >> you’re right [00:15:31.600] >> yeah and 40 firhand people that worked [00:15:34.880] directly on the craft not only that but [00:15:38.639] uh I have reason to believe that uh [00:15:43.440] there are factions involved involved in [00:15:45.279] UFO disclosure and there’s a specific [00:15:48.160] faction that’s sort of come out you know [00:15:51.199] uh and you know is gung-ho about a [00:15:54.079] certain disclosure to a certain extent [00:15:56.720] and I think they weren’t really uh [00:15:58.480] anticipating David Grush. [00:16:00.480] >> Oh no they weren’t. [00:16:02.399] >> That was that was a planned thing is how [00:16:05.199] to move somebody from he’s lived in his [00:16:07.600] whole life you know kind of in you’re [00:16:10.000] not going out there trying to be on [00:16:11.680] social media. He lived his whole life, I [00:16:14.240] say, in the shadows, right? This happens [00:16:16.240] with a lot of these intel guys. They’re [00:16:17.759] not used to the public attention. And [00:16:20.079] then good or bad, it hurts them or it [00:16:22.000] makes them feel better. I I tell them [00:16:24.320] >> praise and blame is all the same, man. [00:16:25.920] You got to be right with yourself and [00:16:27.199] your family and your dogs and make sure [00:16:29.600] this guy got dogs. And make sure that [00:16:32.399] you’re solid because that public [00:16:34.880] attention when you bring your head out [00:16:36.800] of the parapit above [00:16:39.519] it, it can it can really harm people. It [00:16:42.079] has harmed people. [00:16:42.959] >> Absolutely. Well, I I also I think it’s [00:16:44.800] really important though to make clear, [00:16:47.440] you know, upon questioning uh you know, [00:16:50.079] him and others. I feel like it’s very [00:16:52.959] clear that his sources aren’t only the [00:16:56.560] ones of the people who want disclosure [00:16:59.120] to a certain line. His disclo his [00:17:01.199] sources go deeper than that. And so [00:17:03.120] there’s this constant question of [00:17:04.400] circular reporting. Are you just talking [00:17:06.160] to the people who did Nids and Bigalow [00:17:08.319] and all this sort of, you know, external [00:17:10.000] >> host? Even they don’t believe though, [00:17:11.839] even Dr. Cass doesn’t believe we should [00:17:13.919] handle disclosure. Don’t kick a sleeping [00:17:16.000] dog. That’s what I’ve been told every [00:17:17.839] time I got to the top of the food chain. [00:17:19.679] The highest George and I could ever get [00:17:21.280] to every single time. It’s like they [00:17:22.799] practice that saying. So even people [00:17:25.439] that you’re naming don’t think [00:17:28.240] disclosure is a good thing. [00:17:29.679] >> Right. [00:17:30.240] >> So, so imagine the people that are have [00:17:32.559] their whole lives have been to guard it. [00:17:34.400] You can’t get that out of them. That’s [00:17:36.400] been their job. Protective programs. [00:17:38.720] It’s protective programming. Why do you [00:17:40.880] think that, you know, when you get to [00:17:42.640] the inner layers of this program, it [00:17:46.080] always comes out that like, oh, if you [00:17:47.760] knew what I knew, you wouldn’t want this [00:17:49.760] stuff out. [00:17:52.559] >> First of all, you say program, and I I [00:17:55.440] think it’s really important to break [00:17:56.880] that down. People say the legacy [00:17:58.160] program, dude, that’s a holding name. [00:18:00.080] like um like [00:18:02.960] Bill is a holding name for a team of FBI [00:18:06.480] Frank. [00:18:07.360] >> It’s a group of people, [00:18:08.960] >> right? So the legacy program when people [00:18:11.679] say that yeah program there are programs [00:18:14.640] and they are isolated from one another. [00:18:17.520] >> Uh so [00:18:19.840] not every single person was a technician [00:18:22.799] directly on a craft that David Gush [00:18:24.720] brought to the ICIG. They had direct [00:18:27.280] exposure to the program with an S, [00:18:31.520] right? So that that’s really important [00:18:33.280] to know. We we call it the program, the [00:18:35.280] legacy program, bro. Many names. Palm is [00:18:39.520] Apple in French. I was just told by GSP [00:18:43.039] Apple is Apple, you know. So different [00:18:45.120] names, same thing. But it’s a Rubik’s [00:18:47.760] cube. It’s a constellation. [00:18:50.559] It is a variety of investigations with [00:18:54.160] different hardware, software, and minds [00:18:55.919] on them to exploit in different ways. [00:18:58.640] Working on a craft is different than [00:19:00.640] working with a craft, right? That’s [00:19:03.679] what’s so weird. I’m curious to hear if [00:19:06.000] this is your experience cuz you’ve done [00:19:07.280] this for for for decades longer than me. [00:19:09.440] But for my experience is I always think, [00:19:12.640] okay, in a few months I’m going to get [00:19:15.039] to the bottom of this. I’m going to [00:19:16.400] figure this, you know, and then and then [00:19:18.320] a few months go go go go go by and you [00:19:21.039] learn about this whole new weird aspect [00:19:23.760] to this. [00:19:25.520] >> Yeah. How so? [00:19:27.600] >> Because there are protection programs to [00:19:29.679] dilute. [00:19:30.559] >> Sure. [00:19:30.880] >> To misdirect. [00:19:32.320] >> Yes. [00:19:32.640] >> And I’ve and they’re seductive. [00:19:35.679] >> They’re shiny. You want to believe it. [00:19:38.480] >> You have to be careful of the next [00:19:41.200] aspects, but it is an onion. There’s [00:19:43.200] layers to it. I didn’t mean to say there [00:19:44.720] aren’t. It’s just be careful with it. [00:19:47.039] >> For sure. Well, no. I think you have to [00:19:48.720] think with extreme epistemic humility [00:19:51.280] and not epistemic mean [00:19:52.799] >> not a way of knowing. So, you can’t you [00:19:55.280] can’t jump to any sort of conclusion. [00:19:57.600] You can’t snap anything to grid. You [00:19:59.600] have to sort of say, “Okay, I’m going to [00:20:01.280] wait for corroboration for that in the [00:20:02.799] future.” But this could be counterintel [00:20:04.559] like everything. You have to if you [00:20:06.799] listen Dr. Latsky said on my program [00:20:09.840] with George, you know, he gave a warning [00:20:12.240] about two things. One is the protective [00:20:15.520] programs and and the disinformation that [00:20:17.440] he knows. He never identified who [00:20:19.120] somebody lied while their hand was up in [00:20:21.120] Congress knowingly, I think he was [00:20:22.880] saying. And then he said that people [00:20:25.919] believe things because they’re shown in [00:20:27.760] official capacity. But I’m not talking [00:20:29.120] about stupid nonsense where where people [00:20:31.440] are saying um Yankee Blue that was a [00:20:34.240] that was a scop. They’re trying to [00:20:36.320] pretend that existed in the capacity [00:20:38.720] they say. So he warned us against that. [00:20:41.360] Dr. Latsky, he also warned us very [00:20:45.840] strongly if you watch that we’re going [00:20:49.120] to lose the ability to really engage [00:20:52.640] this topic without the brightest minds [00:20:54.400] cuz we’re not teaching inside [00:20:56.480] scientifically the younger generations. [00:20:58.799] And he is scared about that. that [00:21:00.960] because of the secrecy, which he doesn’t [00:21:02.720] want full secrecy on this, but because [00:21:04.320] of it, we are going to fall behind with [00:21:07.520] the American um mechanics of how to [00:21:11.440] interrogate the UAP problem. Well, and [00:21:14.720] that’s what’s really interesting about [00:21:15.760] his new book, New Insights. At the end [00:21:17.760] of it, he goes into a bunch of [00:21:19.679] modalities and frameworks that he [00:21:21.600] clearly wants spread among young STEM [00:21:23.919] students all over the country. He gets [00:21:25.280] into high frequency gravitational waves [00:21:28.159] and rotate solid state rotating [00:21:30.240] superconductors for gravitational [00:21:32.080] manipulation and like really crazy [ __ ] [00:21:35.200] Just they should hire you because let me [00:21:36.880] just tell you most people don’t read his [00:21:40.640] book and take from that what he means. [00:21:44.320] And you you have to translate [00:21:47.919] complex things into you don’t dumb [00:21:51.440] anything down. you simplify it until the [00:21:54.720] next question is asked. And he needs to [00:21:57.120] practice that because his voice, man, [00:21:59.360] he’s done more for he has actually done [00:22:02.080] more from a knowledge standpoint of [00:22:05.840] transparency on this than I think most [00:22:08.640] people throughout history. If you go and [00:22:11.520] you read his books like you did, but we [00:22:13.919] need bright minds to look at it. We need [00:22:15.520] everybody asking the next question. Like [00:22:17.600] when I started this man, people thought [00:22:19.600] it was like UFOs [00:22:23.120] this, right? So now we’re at a consensus [00:22:25.600] reality where it’s like, okay, there’s a [00:22:28.720] there there, but what’s the question not [00:22:31.280] being asked [00:22:32.400] >> and and we’re so close. [00:22:34.799] >> We’re so close. Did you find it [00:22:36.880] frustrating when he was on your podcast [00:22:38.960] and you asked him about him stepping [00:22:41.360] inside of a UFO and he said yes, but [00:22:45.280] then he also was like very clear that he [00:22:48.240] couldn’t say much more than what he had [00:22:50.480] said in the book. [00:22:51.600] >> Is you’re officially allowed to tell us [00:22:54.159] that the United States government has in [00:22:55.919] its possession a craft of unknown origin [00:22:58.080] and you are able to access the inside. [00:23:01.039] Is that correct? [00:23:03.440] The wording that you’re you read is [00:23:06.320] correct. Ah, you’re going beyond the [00:23:09.039] wording. [00:23:09.840] >> No, I’m not. I’m not. I’m asking you, [00:23:11.600] did that meeting happen? [00:23:13.679] >> And is it true? [00:23:15.039] >> And it’s true. [00:23:16.480] >> Yes. [00:23:16.720] >> Okay. So, you you’re you’re telling us [00:23:19.280] you told us because you were allowed to [00:23:21.039] tell us [00:23:21.919] >> that our government has a UFO in its [00:23:23.919] possession and has been able to access [00:23:25.760] the inside of it, right? [00:23:28.400] >> Yes. [00:23:29.120] >> Why do you think he was able to get that [00:23:31.520] cleared? the fact that he conspiracy [00:23:34.159] like why could he get that cleared? And [00:23:36.240] and [00:23:36.480] >> I think it’s a reasonable question. [00:23:37.919] >> It’s extremely reasonable, but it [00:23:40.080] creates a conspiratorial mindset, right? [00:23:43.039] Like, oh, we’ve distrust government on [00:23:45.280] this. Why are they allowing it now? It’s [00:23:47.120] like people ask questions like how is [00:23:49.679] Jeremy and George not in trouble for and [00:23:53.200] how do they obtain such a variety of [00:23:56.080] different products from argument that I [00:23:59.200] I’ll call sensitive most likely right [00:24:04.640] first of all about me and George it’s [00:24:07.120] called [ __ ] journalism and and if and [00:24:09.760] if you if you are not seeing that you [00:24:13.279] are looking at the wrong thing. [00:24:17.279] >> So with Latsky, [00:24:19.760] why you asked a bunch of questions [00:24:21.279] there. So why [00:24:23.279] >> did they let him? [00:24:24.799] >> Well, you know, not everybody at a [00:24:26.400] doctor desk, you know, is is equal, [00:24:29.520] >> you know, and you can submit a book in [00:24:31.279] one way and say it’s fictitious or you [00:24:33.279] can submit it and say it’s this is fact. [00:24:35.760] And he did the fact way, right? It’s [00:24:38.240] harder. Took a long time. George knows [00:24:40.720] how long it took with with each book. [00:24:43.440] Why did they let him? I know for a fact [00:24:46.880] there are people in the mechanisms of [00:24:49.039] government that let things get through [00:24:52.320] because they’re on our side. [00:24:54.320] >> Truth. I suspect that’s why it’s not [00:24:56.880] some big plan. Dude, if this was [00:24:58.799] planned, I would kick back, relax, and [00:25:00.480] stop and not worry because then we’ve [00:25:02.320] got a plan situation. This is Vietnam. [00:25:05.919] Everything has been provoked. It’s been [00:25:07.679] fought for millimeter by millimeter for [00:25:10.080] years and decades. So what you get from [00:25:13.840] him is the absolute factual information. [00:25:18.080] It it’s not theoretical. It’s factual. [00:25:21.039] And and so and he says when he doesn’t [00:25:22.880] know stuff. [00:25:23.679] >> Yeah. He’s a senior DIA rocket scientist [00:25:26.080] with a long history. And I I think it’s [00:25:29.840] important for people to realize there’s [00:25:31.760] probably a war going on inside the [00:25:33.520] government. And there are probably [00:25:34.640] elements of the quote unquote legacy [00:25:36.400] program that want itself [00:25:39.200] outed or partially outed. Like there are [00:25:42.159] members of, you know, inside these [00:25:44.480] programs that think the way they’re [00:25:46.640] being run is ridiculous. That’s why you [00:25:49.679] had the vice president of Loheed Martin [00:25:53.279] trying to get the craft and hardware [00:25:56.640] that they have obtained a long time ago [00:26:00.000] out the back door into the sunlight [00:26:03.679] through the front door and studied that [00:26:06.480] way. They saw the writing on the wall [00:26:08.480] and it was being facilitated [00:26:10.720] by Dr. Colin Keller, Dr. James Latsky, [00:26:14.400] bunch of people they worked with. That’s [00:26:17.360] the truth. What you just said. There are [00:26:19.360] a lot of people that realize there’s no [00:26:23.679] right. There’s no purpose to hold back [00:26:26.880] from human beings the ultimate truth, [00:26:29.919] whatever that might be. I got some [00:26:31.360] guesses. You know, maybe there are um [00:26:33.440] UFOs and they’re not from here. Whatever [00:26:35.200] that means. I mean, why would you build [00:26:36.320] a Ferrari not to go fast? Why would you [00:26:38.000] make something that appears that it [00:26:39.919] could travel amongst the stars if it [00:26:42.080] doesn’t? And that gives you a sense of [00:26:44.880] at least one aspect of origin. Yes. [00:26:47.279] >> Of course, there might be more. [00:26:48.799] >> So, yeah, dude. I look man, this is my [00:26:50.799] favorite topic and you and I got [00:26:52.960] >> so many things we can talk about, but I [00:26:54.960] agree with what your analysis is. [00:26:57.600] >> Well, I want to touch on something that [00:26:59.279] you just mentioned, which is um the VP [00:27:01.520] at Lockheed Martin. His name was Jim [00:27:03.120] Ryder. That’s right. [00:27:04.080] >> And he gave a very interesting speech [00:27:06.320] called the garment of the gods. And it’s [00:27:10.320] very strange. about the veil thinning [00:27:13.039] and he talks about extrensory perception [00:27:15.760] and consciousness but he’s a VP at [00:27:18.159] Loheed Martin space systems who’s very [00:27:20.240] well respected [00:27:21.520] >> the idea that everything from spoons to [00:27:23.679] stones are conscious is gaining academic [00:27:26.000] credibility who wrote that one of the [00:27:27.919] most senior physicists in Canada it’s [00:27:30.480] the only conclusion we have everything [00:27:32.080] is conscious we’re just discussing [00:27:33.520] amount and levels [00:27:35.039] >> I find him and Latsky’s language around [00:27:38.000] this topic very interesting Latsky talks [00:27:40.320] about Plato ‘s cave and consciousness [00:27:43.200] and [00:27:43.679] >> it affects you [00:27:45.039] >> to know something this big and hidden. [00:27:48.159] It’s like um [00:27:49.600] >> if you’ve ever taken a psychedelic, [00:27:51.360] right? You’ve seen this world around you [00:27:53.919] at all times, but you are not initiated [00:27:57.600] to what that world is or means. So you [00:27:59.840] might see like a tie-dye or dancing [00:28:01.440] bears of the grateful dead but you as [00:28:04.000] soon as you breach the whole of that [00:28:06.080] craft you you see a world that has [00:28:10.080] always been hidden to you but has always [00:28:11.919] been there and that can it has disturbed [00:28:15.120] people to their core and then they start [00:28:17.760] getting angry that that other people [00:28:20.080] don’t get to know and what this goes [00:28:22.159] back to your question what was it [00:28:23.840] frustrating why did he not go outside [00:28:26.320] the parameters of his book why was he [00:28:28.000] allowed to say that told you why is [00:28:29.200] allowed to say it most likely. [00:28:31.440] >> Yeah. You can see on my I hold my [00:28:33.200] emotions like right here. You could see [00:28:35.120] I’m frustrated. I’m not trying to hurt [00:28:37.200] the guy. I mean, you know, I’m sure they [00:28:38.960] all got mad at me at different times. [00:28:40.960] I’m just pressing because I know people [00:28:42.640] want to know and he can’t say the words [00:28:45.760] that aren’t printed because he’s the [00:28:47.440] kind of guy you want protecting Secrets [00:28:49.600] for America. He’s the exact kind of guy. [00:28:52.159] You know, [00:28:52.480] >> it’s it’s so it’s so interesting and [00:28:54.240] it’s so messy because [00:28:56.240] >> Yes. It’s like ideally if this thing is [00:29:00.399] like a portal or a gateway the object is [00:29:03.919] uh to a new sense of the actual true [00:29:07.200] nature of reality. [00:29:08.799] >> This should be for humanity. It should [00:29:10.399] be for everybody. [00:29:11.120] >> What is humans human beings knowledge [00:29:14.080] and information we we own that right? It [00:29:17.200] is. So having that held back, you know, [00:29:20.799] you know the reason, you know, okay, [00:29:23.520] America first weaponization, strategic [00:29:25.520] surprise, strategic advantage, [00:29:26.880] technological advantage. Like I get that [00:29:29.600] now that’s some like stone age thinking [00:29:32.399] when we’re in the Jetsons. You know that [00:29:35.360] we’re past that now. So but that is I [00:29:38.480] understand what so they need to formally [00:29:41.360] acknowledge the known facts, formally [00:29:43.200] acknowledge the unknown facts. They [00:29:45.679] really need to define the terms and [00:29:48.960] boundaries and parameters and topography [00:29:51.039] of what we’re looking at. Because [00:29:54.000] if they don’t do that, if they don’t, if [00:29:56.399] they give us like this partial [00:29:57.919] disclosure of stuff, then we get kind of [00:30:01.200] lost with what it means to be human. We [00:30:03.120] get lost with understanding our [00:30:06.640] position in what it means to exist. And [00:30:09.279] there might be questions that are [00:30:11.039] unasked there that are profound that [00:30:13.520] have profound answers that we just [00:30:15.600] haven’t like eating the mic. [00:30:18.240] >> No, you’re good. [00:30:18.880] >> We just haven’t been able to ask. And [00:30:21.760] how do we evolve if we don’t have the [00:30:24.240] right questions? So, we need you don’t [00:30:26.960] need to tell somebody how to make a [00:30:28.000] nuclear bomb, but you need to tell them [00:30:29.120] nuclear physics exists and you can study [00:30:30.799] it and try to protect that part. So, we [00:30:33.200] got to get to the point where we’re all [00:30:35.760] at a consensus reality that matches up a [00:30:38.240] little bit better with actual reality. [00:30:42.399] And if we if we do that, then we’re [00:30:44.880] going to have questions. And those [00:30:46.799] questions, the answers might be a little [00:30:48.240] disturbing if you’re a person that gets [00:30:50.559] disturbed. Um, but it will be the truth. [00:30:54.240] And the truth, that’s what’s going to [00:30:56.480] help us evolve. And so that’s why I’m so [00:30:59.840] upset with the secret keeper. [00:31:03.120] >> Well, it makes sense that they wouldn’t [00:31:04.799] disclose it because on the one hand, [00:31:07.039] you’re kind of seeding your authority to [00:31:10.240] this higher thing that’s flying with [00:31:11.919] impunity at your most around your most [00:31:14.000] sensitive sites around your nuclear [00:31:15.919] installations tampering with the nukes [00:31:17.919] themselves. So you don’t want to admit [00:31:19.600] that if you’re in some position of [00:31:21.120] governmental authority and then you [00:31:23.600] don’t know as far as you know what could [00:31:25.760] confer a tactical advantage to the [00:31:27.360] adversary. Maybe you haven’t figured it [00:31:28.880] out but it’s this weird cat and mouse [00:31:30.559] game theory thing visav v China and [00:31:32.880] Russia. And so it’s this weird thing [00:31:35.039] where they have this asymmetric [00:31:37.360] knowledge on the nature of reality which [00:31:39.440] they should not have any right to visav [00:31:43.039] normal people or scientists but their [00:31:46.240] incentives make it so that you know [00:31:48.159] they’re just not going to go full open [00:31:50.399] kimono anytime soon. [00:31:52.399] >> Well don’t go so fast or so quick. I [00:31:55.760] mean you know what are we fighting for? [00:31:57.200] >> Unless we can rest it out of them. [00:31:59.440] >> We can provoke. [00:32:00.960] >> Uhhuh. We you you can’t just how you [00:32:03.840] can’t give anybody anything cuz cuz all [00:32:05.840] you can do you put it in their hand but [00:32:07.200] it’s an object. You can’t give anybody [00:32:09.120] anything. You can lead by example. You [00:32:12.080] can’t take anything. It’s not just one [00:32:14.960] person’s thing. You need to provoke and [00:32:17.039] they need to give. And when they give, [00:32:18.799] you need to receive. And that’s that. So [00:32:20.880] I’m not trying to be um oblique here. Um [00:32:24.000] it it is an ontological issue. this [00:32:27.120] thing and ontological I believe means uh [00:32:30.640] relating to the existence of of being an [00:32:33.600] existence itself relating to the [00:32:35.600] existence of being right is that what it [00:32:37.600] means yeah [00:32:38.159] >> so [00:32:39.679] this is the UFO thing is a symbol [00:32:43.360] they’re things a lot deeper than UFOs I [00:32:46.240] suspect [00:32:46.960] >> I agree I think it’s the tip of the [00:32:48.559] iceberg [00:32:49.279] >> yeah but it’s a symbol it’s a symbol of [00:32:51.760] freedom of thought [00:32:53.200] >> because if you if we can talk about it [00:32:55.679] with the right words and factual [00:32:57.679] information. Then we have freedom of [00:32:59.279] speech. Freedom of speech causes debate. [00:33:01.440] Debate causes thought. Then we have [00:33:03.360] freedom of thought. It’s [ __ ] [00:33:04.559] beautiful, man. What are we fighting [00:33:06.000] for? [00:33:07.679] >> It is beautiful. And I hope we’re on the [00:33:09.760] verge of a a paradigm shift because I [00:33:12.480] mean, how do you feel now that the [00:33:14.320] Department of War has a website with [00:33:16.799] more hits than, you know, people in [00:33:18.799] America? And uh you know we have stuff [00:33:22.159] coming out and you can say that the [00:33:23.679] stuff often is repackaged repurposed [00:33:27.760] things that have already kind of existed [00:33:29.279] in the open source world. I find it [00:33:30.880] hilarious that that is what’s making you [00:33:33.679] know the Citadel scientific gatekeepers [00:33:35.760] like Neil Degrasse Tyson take it [00:33:37.279] seriously is the fact that it gets a [00:33:39.120] stamp of approval from authority. So it [00:33:40.960] kind of shows that they were never doing [00:33:42.159] science in the first place. But how do [00:33:44.000] you feel? Do you feel do you feel [00:33:45.279] vindicated? Do you think it’s going to [00:33:46.720] keep going and we’re going to get more [00:33:48.399] or how do you feel about where we’re at? [00:33:50.559] >> Yeah, I I don’t [00:33:53.919] self-reflect [00:33:55.440] when I’m when I’m fighting when I’m [00:33:57.440] going forward. That’s like the death [00:33:59.840] gargle. If you’re doing martial [00:34:02.399] athletics is thinking about what you [00:34:04.480] just did wrong or you know what what [00:34:07.440] happened yesterday, you need to be fully [00:34:09.359] forwardfacing and forwardlooking. [00:34:12.000] So what I feel is optimistic but I’m an [00:34:15.599] optimist you know but now there’s [00:34:17.599] tangible evidence that we should all [00:34:19.599] have optimism but don’t get complacent [00:34:22.159] in that optimism optimism is only [00:34:25.359] powerful if there’s action behind it. So [00:34:27.040] what we need to do in every single way [00:34:29.119] every person we need to fight for what [00:34:31.599] we want. If we want truth we have to [00:34:34.000] fight for truth. If we want inner peace [00:34:36.800] we have to fight for inner peace. [00:34:38.399] Counterintuitive but it’s true. Okay. [00:34:40.560] People ask me all the time, “What can I [00:34:43.200] do?” It’s like they feel powerless. I’m [00:34:45.440] not this. I don’t have this a [00:34:46.879] microphone. I’m starting a podcast. Bro, [00:34:49.679] >> I figured it out. [00:34:51.760] >> Um, [00:34:54.000] use your voice. Now, how do you do that? [00:34:57.040] I talked to some grade school teachers. [00:34:59.760] I talked to some high school teachers. [00:35:02.160] And I talked to some professors at major [00:35:04.400] universities all in one weekend, right? [00:35:06.880] They were all there at the McMinman’s [00:35:08.800] UFO Fest, which is the funnest thing in [00:35:10.240] the world. You got to come with me next [00:35:11.200] time. You get a golf cart and a six-ack [00:35:12.960] of beer. [00:35:13.599] >> It sounds epic. [00:35:14.880] >> And I was put in jail one morning, and [00:35:16.480] that’s a true fact. It’s hilarious. So, [00:35:20.400] >> what you can do [00:35:22.720] is you can show other people your [00:35:26.400] curiosity. If you have a a class, you [00:35:28.880] none of us had the answers. You got a [00:35:30.480] class, teach it. What do you know? How [00:35:32.720] do we separate critical thinking? the [00:35:35.440] average singular person with nothing. [00:35:37.680] They have five followers on um Twitter [00:35:40.480] and they’re like, “What do I do?” [00:35:41.599] There’s a woman that came up to me, [00:35:42.720] she’s a little bit older. I’m like, “Oh, [00:35:45.040] don’t worry if you have five followers. [00:35:47.280] Say what you’re thinking and tag every [00:35:51.040] representative that is fighting for [00:35:52.640] this. Tag the Department of War. Tag at [00:35:55.920] Energy.” That’s the Department of [00:35:57.520] Energy. Tag them. And here’s why I know [00:36:00.240] that’s what you should do. Because I get [00:36:02.880] calls from people that saw the tags [00:36:06.720] >> and it affects them personally and it [00:36:09.119] starts building. So imagine if everybody [00:36:11.200] did that. Rep Luna, great job. Keep [00:36:13.599] fighting. Don’t stop. Oh my gosh. People [00:36:17.200] read that stuff and they go, I mean, I [00:36:19.040] notoriously don’t because it’s toxic for [00:36:21.119] me. There’s organized attempts at that, [00:36:23.200] you know, [00:36:24.160] >> but that’s what the average person can [00:36:26.320] do. If you’re a scientist, look at it [00:36:28.560] from a scientific perspective. If you’re [00:36:29.839] a philosopher, look at it from a [00:36:31.119] philosophic perspective. teach it, pass [00:36:33.200] it on, show people your curiosity, and [00:36:35.200] they’ll be weaponized just like you and [00:36:36.720] me. Jesse, [00:36:38.000] >> let’s go. [00:36:38.800] >> Yeah. [00:36:39.200] >> Um, I want to talk about how you got [00:36:41.359] into UFOs, which is described very well [00:36:43.520] in this new movie, Sleeping Dog. [00:36:45.680] >> The first person that that I ever [00:36:48.720] pointed a camera at and was like, “Oh, [00:36:51.359] [ __ ] It’s like a Rubik’s cube.” You [00:36:53.119] know, I got to I got to I got to get [00:36:54.880] this person talking. It’s really hard. [00:36:56.720] Was John Lear. It started uh where a lot [00:37:00.320] of people have to start with UFOs, which [00:37:02.079] is you have to start with the the widest [00:37:04.400] possible filter. And for you, that was [00:37:06.880] embodied in a man named John Lear. [00:37:09.280] >> He taught me how to keep my mind open [00:37:12.480] but not let my marbles fall out because [00:37:15.040] he he was spilling marbles sometimes. [00:37:16.960] And it was I’m going to crack a beer for [00:37:18.720] this part. I wanted to have a a drink [00:37:20.960] with Jesse. He’s got water cuz he’s an [00:37:22.560] alien. [00:37:24.240] There’s my beer. [00:37:28.800] So, I like you. I’m not going to repeat [00:37:31.359] what people can watch in a movie, right? [00:37:34.320] I like you. I think like everybody who [00:37:37.920] gets interested in something other than [00:37:40.880] themselves, you know, um they look [00:37:44.400] outward [00:37:46.480] and the ancient Greeks used to say that [00:37:49.440] the stars were [00:37:52.079] pin pricks from the beaks of [00:37:54.000] hummingbirds. [00:37:55.599] So, that was a beautiful cosmology. And [00:37:58.000] then all of a sudden, science stepped in [00:37:59.119] and goes, “Actually, it’s [ __ ] cooler [00:38:00.880] than that, right? [00:38:02.320] >> That sounds cooler than science to me.” [00:38:04.320] >> No, I don’t know. I I the orbiting [00:38:05.920] planets, galaxies. I’m Come on. [00:38:07.520] >> I’m going to take the beaks of [00:38:08.640] hummingbird pinprints, but [00:38:10.240] >> Okay, so I love hummingbirds, man. [00:38:12.880] They’re [ __ ] fantastic. [00:38:13.680] >> They’re amazing. [00:38:14.560] >> What they can do. Anyway, um, so I got [00:38:19.200] curious [00:38:21.200] and I’ve said this before, you know, I [00:38:23.440] heard [00:38:25.599] George Knap’s voice interviewing a guy [00:38:27.280] named Bob Lazar on the radio. [00:38:30.800] They were replaying it on one station, [00:38:33.040] probably K Rock or something. I was a [00:38:34.320] dumbass kid. I don’t know what station, [00:38:35.599] you know, I wasn’t really tuned in to [00:38:37.359] the whole Coast to Coast thing. I was 13 [00:38:40.000] and something really happened to me that [00:38:42.720] day and I I people make jokes when I say [00:38:45.280] my my curiosity was weaponized. So I [00:38:46.880] started making jokes. It’s like when [00:38:47.920] people call me you know [ __ ] you forname [00:38:49.520] online. My family all now calls me [00:38:51.119] forname. It’s like you have to embrace [00:38:53.440] the thing right. [00:38:54.960] >> So what I embraced in that moment is [00:38:57.920] that Babazar said it’s not a reactionary [00:39:02.000] propulsion system. [00:39:04.160] It’s a I think he said it’s a field [00:39:06.480] propulsion system. [00:39:08.560] you’re falling where you need to get, [00:39:11.680] >> which is the story of my life [00:39:13.440] >> actually, which is hilarious, but you’re [00:39:15.119] like falling to it. And that just like [00:39:17.200] flipped this switch in me and I was [00:39:19.520] like, “Holy [ __ ] if what he’s saying is [00:39:23.040] true about travel, then distance no [00:39:26.960] longer matters.” cuz everybody told me [00:39:29.200] um I wasn’t into UFOs and stuff but when [00:39:31.839] it came up when you’re a young kid it’s [00:39:34.000] like all the scientists like the Neil [00:39:36.240] Degrass Tyson well there’s no way life [00:39:38.240] is probably way out in the universe but [00:39:40.400] don’t be silly they can’t be coming here [00:39:42.960] the distances are so vast you’d have to [00:39:44.800] travel the speed of light almost for 36 [00:39:47.839] years to get to our closest planet all [00:39:49.359] this [ __ ] and I thought damn they [00:39:51.599] really got it figured out unless Lazar [00:39:54.880] was right so I was like because from [00:39:56.800] rockets to roller skates. It’s um push [00:39:59.200] something out the back, you go forward [00:40:00.800] called reactionary propulsion system. So [00:40:02.720] all of a sudden if you’re falling into [00:40:05.440] time space, distance is irrelevant. And [00:40:08.960] I was sitting there as a dumbass kid [00:40:10.480] thinking, “Oh my god, is this guy [00:40:11.920] telling the truth?” [00:40:12.960] >> That’s what I was thinking cuz I thought [00:40:14.320] then obviously it’s not hummingbirds. [00:40:17.040] Obviously, there are tons of planets [00:40:20.480] that are in the Goldilock zones in these [00:40:23.520] hundreds of billions of galaxies, not [00:40:27.119] just our galaxy. And I’m like, is he [00:40:29.040] telling the truth? And then I went and, [00:40:31.040] you know, just like met up with my [00:40:32.560] girlfriend, started doing jiu-jitsu more [00:40:34.000] and like just dropped it like it’s hot. [00:40:35.920] But I never forgot that moment, that [00:40:38.800] feeling. It taught me that authority is [00:40:43.040] something we bestow upon people, not [00:40:45.520] something that they truly are. They can [00:40:47.839] have more knowledge than you. That’s [00:40:49.119] what the word sensei means. Is born [00:40:51.440] before. Knowledge in you is born before [00:40:54.480] knowledge in me. So you’re my sensei at [00:40:57.520] >> this. Right? So everybody’s teaching [00:40:59.599] each other. Um a sensei is somebody that [00:41:04.480] he has or she has certain knowledge [00:41:06.720] that’s born before. you pass it on one [00:41:08.880] generation otherwise and it’s gone cuz [00:41:12.400] it’s a physical art. It’s not written [00:41:13.920] down. It’s transmitted physically. You [00:41:15.599] have to actually choke someone out, [00:41:17.119] right? So, so to to just back up cuz I [00:41:20.240] get so excited about this moment. I feel [00:41:22.319] it as if it was yesterday. Um [00:41:26.160] that’s how it really got started. [00:41:29.200] But I was a kid. I was sure I was just [00:41:33.119] going to do the martial athletics thing [00:41:34.800] my whole life. I didn’t think I was [00:41:37.520] smart enough to do other things. And [00:41:39.520] then I thought, well, maybe I am, but [00:41:40.960] this is what I like doing. So, I’m going [00:41:43.119] to do what I like cuz if I do what I [00:41:44.640] like, I’m going to get good at it cuz [00:41:46.240] I’m going to practice it 10,000 times. [00:41:49.520] Then all hell broke loose. And this is [00:41:52.160] what you were talking about. [00:41:54.720] As you know, we have a new starship. Of [00:41:56.880] course, we have a healthc care center on [00:41:58.800] board. Ask what my new favorite product [00:42:00.720] in it is. I restores aluminina face [00:42:03.520] mask. This mask is like a medbed for [00:42:05.839] your face. 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[00:42:48.960] That’s jesse j ssetore.com. [00:42:53.119] Please support our show and tell them we [00:42:55.200] sent you. [00:42:57.280] because of an illness, I couldn’t [00:42:59.520] physically train. So, I said, “What am I [00:43:01.520] interested in?” Fell into art. Fell into [00:43:04.079] then getting a camera. That was cool to [00:43:07.119] see that you did the that Sharon Tate [00:43:09.119] exhibit. That was so that was amazing. I [00:43:11.440] I like didn’t realize how deep and rich [00:43:14.480] of an art background that you had. And [00:43:16.560] and then that was kind of an expression [00:43:18.240] of the pain of the illness that you fell [00:43:20.720] into. [00:43:21.040] >> Dude, you learned that from the movie. [00:43:22.720] >> Yeah. [00:43:23.200] >> [ __ ] I I did. [00:43:24.319] >> Okay. And it really the movie is really [00:43:26.000] good and I recommend everybody watch it [00:43:27.599] because it really [00:43:28.880] >> it helped me understand your psychology [00:43:32.400] >> and where you’re coming from, what [00:43:34.319] you’re motivated by. [00:43:36.079] >> And I think uh UFO Space now, you know, [00:43:39.040] I didn’t I didn’t need that from the [00:43:40.400] movie cuz we’ve gotten to know each [00:43:41.599] other. [00:43:42.160] >> But UFO Space can be a hall of mirrors. [00:43:43.839] And if somebody doesn’t know you [00:43:45.440] personally, I think uh it’s a really [00:43:47.599] good way to kind of get to know you. [00:43:49.119] >> That’s what that’s what the kid sold me [00:43:50.560] on, you know, that and the self-defense [00:43:52.079] mechanism of showing my personal life. [00:43:54.000] But um yeah, but I think that moment you [00:43:56.960] were talking about was Okay, I’ve got [00:44:00.480] this camera. First time I pointed it at [00:44:02.800] somebody, they spilled the beans. It was [00:44:05.040] my grandmother, right? And she told me a [00:44:08.000] story about my family that she had kept [00:44:09.839] hidden from everybody and she was like [00:44:11.680] 90 or something. And I recorded it. I’m [00:44:13.839] like, “Holy shit.” So I pointed it at [00:44:18.240] John Lear because I was like, who can I [00:44:21.040] get to that seems to have these wild [00:44:24.720] ideas say crazy? He wasn’t crazy at all. [00:44:27.440] Very sane man. You know, CIA pilot did [00:44:29.599] some incredible stuff. One of the [00:44:30.560] youngest people ever to climb the Matter [00:44:31.920] Horn. The dude has had so many life [00:44:34.000] experiences people don’t know. [00:44:35.200] >> Won a bunch of flight records as well. [00:44:37.119] Like really amazing esteemed pilot, [00:44:39.520] >> bro. So he called me back finally [00:44:44.160] and it was so like come over Las Vegas, [00:44:47.680] Nevada. Y’all will be here. It was the [00:44:49.200] weirdest call and I [ __ ] packed my [00:44:51.359] bags and I looked at my wife and there’s [00:44:53.040] a scene in the movie I know the kid my [00:44:54.800] voice is a horse. That was after that [00:44:57.440] first trip. [00:44:58.640] >> The first thing I Michael just I said [00:45:00.480] when you make it when you tell this [00:45:02.079] story don’t put anything visually out of [00:45:04.240] order to say it exactly like it [00:45:05.760] happened. first time I rolled up to to [00:45:07.359] his gate filming it like that’s all real [00:45:10.160] exactly in the order it happened. So [00:45:12.640] because of his openness to me [00:45:16.400] I mean he didn’t tell me [ __ ] about UFOs [00:45:17.920] at first but he was testing me right but [00:45:20.560] um that’s how it started and then I [00:45:23.040] would just see these these floods of [00:45:24.720] people over the years just come into his [00:45:27.520] house. He’d let everybody in. They tell [00:45:30.319] sometimes the craziest and you could [00:45:32.240] tell they weren’t wrapped so tight [00:45:34.400] stories and he just listened like like [00:45:36.880] he cared because he did care. And then [00:45:39.920] other people come in and they were CIA, [00:45:42.079] FBI, NSA, um amazing pilots. I mean just [00:45:46.160] all these people, this world of people [00:45:48.079] that I would never have had contact with [00:45:49.920] because I had a camera. They would talk [00:45:52.560] with me. It look they mistook me as a [00:45:55.280] authority figure with that camera. But [00:45:57.440] but what John did was he had no filter [00:46:01.200] and that’s the trap. [00:46:03.440] >> The trap is you belief [00:46:07.040] and actual functional reality start to [00:46:09.040] blur when you have heard it all. [00:46:12.000] >> Yeah. [00:46:12.640] >> He did start talking about soul catchers [00:46:15.040] on the moon and all. [00:46:16.800] >> I can’t I can’t verify his craziest [00:46:19.440] theor his his wildest theory. [00:46:21.440] >> Yeah. [00:46:21.920] >> I can’t verify. [00:46:23.040] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, what did he [00:46:25.760] tell you that did check? Because I think [00:46:27.839] it’s important to caveat about him. He [00:46:30.400] broke the F-17 to George Knap. He [00:46:33.599] actually knew a lot about advanced [00:46:35.599] aviation well ahead of anybody in the [00:46:38.560] kind of civilian world and was kind of, [00:46:40.640] you know, hanging out at Dreamland at [00:46:42.079] Area 51 before anybody knew it was even [00:46:43.920] real. So, he definitely knew some real [00:46:46.000] stuff. Bro, I have original photographs [00:46:51.200] from 1977 [00:46:55.200] Groom Lake [00:46:58.319] level with a chain going across. [00:47:02.640] John Lear drove out there many times [00:47:06.480] back in the day when security was [00:47:08.240] different. He came I I I’ll show you the [00:47:11.200] photographs. It’s amazing. He wrote to [00:47:13.520] me, “Let’s It’s Groom Lake, you [ __ ] [00:47:16.720] Let’s go Wednesday because Wednesday was [00:47:18.400] the famous night nights they would fly [00:47:20.560] the sport model. So what he did was he [00:47:24.160] sat there drinking beers on the back of [00:47:25.680] his pickup truck with a buddy of his who [00:47:27.119] I know and he snapped a bunch of photos [00:47:31.599] in a row of Groom Lake at lake level. [00:47:34.319] You’ve never seen a photo like this [00:47:36.319] before unless I put it out or lear I [00:47:38.560] don’t know if it’s leaked online but [00:47:40.240] I’ll I’ll give you a print. Wow. Then [00:47:42.720] what he did because it’s John [ __ ] [00:47:44.400] Lar and he’s so and they knew his dad [00:47:46.160] William P. Lear, inventor of the [00:47:47.839] Learjet, Learjet, Atrack stereo, became [00:47:51.359] Motraola, his company, the whole crazy [00:47:53.520] [ __ ] Worked on some amazing stuff with [00:47:56.560] people that you talk about sometimes. By [00:47:58.400] the way, [00:47:58.960] >> and Brown, [00:47:59.760] >> not saying [ __ ] you’re going to talk [00:48:01.040] about what you know will be you be my [00:48:03.119] sensei on that. So, what he does cuz [00:48:06.000] he’s so John Lair. He takes his [00:48:07.839] panorama. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. [00:48:09.920] He sees the dust trails in the desert. [00:48:11.839] You see the dust trails of the What the [00:48:13.440] [ __ ] is this guy doing out there? [00:48:14.560] daylight sitting on the back of [00:48:15.760] tailgating with a beer. Right. [00:48:18.319] He takes the 35mm film thing out of the [00:48:22.480] camera, hides it under his ashtray, [00:48:26.160] puts in another, does an identical set [00:48:28.000] of photos, and when they came, they [00:48:30.079] said, “John, okay, well, you can’t be [00:48:32.720] here.” And you know, get we’re [00:48:34.240] confiscating the camera. He goes, “No, [00:48:35.359] it’s my camera. We’re taking the film.” [00:48:37.040] They took the film and left. John drives [00:48:40.640] home. [00:48:42.000] That’s how I have a photo of Groom Lake [00:48:44.000] at lake level with a chain that I will [00:48:45.599] give you a print of. [00:48:46.559] >> Whoa. Crazy. The 77. What? 19. That was [00:48:50.319] the year I was born. [00:48:51.680] >> Oh my god. [00:48:52.480] >> He did that. [00:48:53.520] >> That’s crazy. [00:48:54.800] >> But what did he tell me that was true? [00:48:58.400] >> He did break the story of the stealth [00:49:01.599] fighter, but it was Ned Day. It was [00:49:03.760] George Knap’s um mentor in journalism. [00:49:07.440] Shout out to Ned Day. Big sip here. [00:49:09.920] Shout out to Ned. [00:49:11.119] >> Mhm. [00:49:12.640] >> I’ve learned about Ned from George. [00:49:15.200] >> So, [00:49:17.760] John had some credibility. [00:49:20.880] He also knew a lot about CIA operations [00:49:24.800] in the um when they were flying drugs [00:49:27.680] cuz he’d never ask what’s what was in [00:49:29.280] his flight. He’d fly anywhere at any [00:49:30.880] time. And he gave me all these like this [00:49:32.400] footage of him going in like these tiny [00:49:34.079] little runways made of dirt flying for [00:49:36.079] the CIA. [00:49:36.960] >> Little Ron Contra situation. He was [00:49:38.800] moving drugs a lot of the time. [00:49:41.280] >> He says, “I don’t know. I’m just a bus [00:49:42.720] driver.” You know, [00:49:43.839] >> there’s a famous photo of him with G. [00:49:45.680] Gordon Litty and like you’ve got you’re [00:49:47.839] like who this guy’s in with like the [00:49:49.760] spookiest of spooks, [00:49:51.200] >> right? And that’s why people think [00:49:52.960] people would try to influence him in the [00:49:54.880] negative ways and maybe they did, but [00:49:57.280] most people like me loved. There’s [00:49:59.440] something about John Lair. He had a [00:50:00.960] laugh. I’ve only heard one other human [00:50:02.960] being on planet Earth. And one day I [00:50:04.640] hope to achieve this laugh. It is the [00:50:06.960] most joyous belly laughing almost like [00:50:12.240] wink at the same time. You’re on to [00:50:14.880] something. You’re on to something. It’s [00:50:17.119] this is this really inspiring laugh. [00:50:19.440] >> Um so he rolled deep with some people. [00:50:22.000] So he verifi verifiably gave good [00:50:25.359] evidence um about a whole bunch of [00:50:28.240] terrestrial stuff to the news station in [00:50:30.240] Las Vegas at Kas. He had credibility [00:50:32.319] there. he was running for senator or [00:50:34.480] state senator at the time or something. [00:50:36.640] Um, and then he walks in with this UFO [00:50:39.200] madness and nobody Ned Day, George’s [00:50:43.680] mentor, he said, I think he said, “If if [00:50:46.319] this was true, I would have already [00:50:48.559] known about it, John.” [00:50:50.720] >> George is like peeking over as like a [00:50:52.400] young reporter, you know, and he’s like, [00:50:54.240] “Hey, John, I I’ll check out the files.” [00:50:56.960] And that’s how it started. So that’s why [00:50:59.440] Did I answer your question? [00:51:00.720] >> You did. Sometimes people say I don’t [00:51:02.480] answer questions. I’m just pumped. [00:51:03.760] >> No, that was a thorough answer. Describe [00:51:06.400] your first time meeting Bob Lazar. [00:51:08.960] >> Oh wow. [00:51:13.359] You know what that’s like. [00:51:15.520] >> I now am It’s so surreal. I mean, I’m [00:51:18.720] honored to have had that experience [00:51:20.400] myself. [00:51:20.800] >> It teaches you a lot. You use the word [00:51:22.319] honored a lot. Like um you know how we [00:51:23.680] all have the same amount of time so [00:51:26.400] people choose if they want to spend it [00:51:27.839] together, right? It should always be an [00:51:29.280] honor with somebody you’re hanging with [00:51:31.359] because you’re both choosing in spaceime [00:51:33.359] with limited amount of life. But anyway, [00:51:35.440] so first time meeting Bob Lazar. Well, [00:51:38.559] first of all, reverse the tape. You know [00:51:41.280] that I wanted to know if he’s a liar or [00:51:43.359] not. That was the only thing I wanted to [00:51:45.760] know. If he was not a liar, then I mean [00:51:49.520] it’s so like then distance doesn’t [00:51:52.480] matter. That’s in my brain. Caveman [00:51:54.240] brain. That’s what I thought. I want to [00:51:55.359] know he’s a liar because the distance [00:51:56.559] doesn’t matter. That’s my line of [00:51:58.720] thinking. So, John kept telling me that [00:52:02.079] George Knapp won’t talk to anybody cuz I [00:52:03.920] was trying for years to get to George. [00:52:05.520] Um Bob Lazar, there’s no way. Um but he [00:52:09.280] does, you know, John John always wanted [00:52:11.040] him to come for like a birthday party [00:52:12.720] his always had these big birthday [00:52:14.079] parties. Really wanted to brag that [00:52:15.839] Lazar was his friend, right? So he kept [00:52:18.079] kind of telling me, you know, maybe [00:52:22.240] Lazar will show up this year. And I’m [00:52:24.079] always like [ __ ] call him then, you [00:52:25.440] know? I’m like, I would love to just No [00:52:27.520] cameras at a So, what happened was [00:52:29.280] answer your question. [00:52:31.440] One day I’m just filming with John like [00:52:35.119] I did every day for years or every week [00:52:38.160] at least. I’d go out there every two [00:52:39.599] weeks. So, [00:52:42.000] oh god, what happened? Oh, and he goes, [00:52:44.000] “Lazar’s coming over.” The first thing [00:52:45.440] he says to me, I go, “Oh shit.” Cuz I [00:52:47.920] got my cameras already all set up. We’re [00:52:49.760] doing our daily thing. [00:52:51.760] >> How wellknown was Bob at the time? [00:52:54.000] >> Right. See, it’s very different now. [00:52:55.440] >> Yeah, [00:52:55.760] >> it’s very different. So niche, [00:52:58.960] >> right? [00:52:59.520] >> So like nobody knew his name unless [00:53:02.800] you’re a UFO nerd on the parinet that [00:53:05.119] called it, right? So like a very popular [00:53:07.280] city councilman or something like [00:53:10.720] less than that. But in UFO land, sure, [00:53:13.680] >> he was UFO Jesus, you know, he was the [00:53:16.559] Messiah, you know, the the unwanted. He [00:53:19.839] like he didn’t want the attention. is [00:53:21.359] like the weirdest conundrum of a guy. I [00:53:24.079] called him the the Bigfooted UFOs. Is he [00:53:26.720] Is he real? Does he even really exist? [00:53:28.960] So, my first experience meeting him was [00:53:31.760] like, first I go total respect mode. I’m [00:53:34.079] like, I can’t I’m not even a filmmaker, [00:53:35.920] never made a film, putting away all the [00:53:37.599] cameras. I don’t want him to feel like [00:53:38.640] he’s walking into a bear trap. And I’m [00:53:40.319] like, John, just talk with your friend. [00:53:42.240] But I knew that all that was out there [00:53:45.280] were these tiny little clips of him, [00:53:48.559] these small little hard to find [00:53:50.240] interviews, and that the majority, 99% [00:53:53.839] of what you read by getting to know Le [00:53:56.079] and all this, it wasn’t true. So, here’s [00:53:58.559] my pitch. He comes in. I’m just looking [00:54:00.559] at him, you know, um, really good to [00:54:02.720] meet you. Yeah, I’m making a movie. Uh, [00:54:05.200] I think um, [00:54:07.680] Bob, [00:54:09.200] when I got a respectful moment of [00:54:11.040] silence, Bob, um, I don’t know if you’re [00:54:13.920] telling the truth, but I do know from [00:54:16.960] knowing John, the entire world within [00:54:20.400] this UFO [00:54:22.319] little silo is saying things that aren’t [00:54:25.040] true about you. and and 3 minutes of you [00:54:27.359] talking would completely change the [00:54:30.640] dynamic of um the ratio of what people [00:54:34.160] know because it’s just not out there. [00:54:37.040] Do you mind if I push record and ask you [00:54:39.520] a couple questions about UFOs? And [00:54:41.920] that’s when you see that footage and he [00:54:46.480] just unloaded. [00:54:48.720] >> I know there are alien craft here from [00:54:52.079] another planet. I now I saw other ones, [00:54:54.800] but I was inside one. I know it was not [00:54:57.440] made on Earth. I know it was made with [00:54:59.520] materials that we cannot fabricate. We [00:55:02.240] cannot duplicate and we’ve never been [00:55:04.160] able to. I know it uses a power source [00:55:06.319] that’s so advanced that we could only [00:55:09.040] dream of something along those lines. [00:55:11.119] And the energy density on it is [00:55:12.880] phenomenal. [00:55:13.599] >> And I and I was just looking at him [00:55:15.200] like, “Holy fuck.” [00:55:17.839] First time you ever hear him like, “Fuck [00:55:20.800] the noise. [00:55:23.040] So, so, so I thank him. He sits down [00:55:25.119] with Lear. I never release this footage. [00:55:27.359] Michael put it in the movie because I [00:55:28.480] gave him 20 years of my footage and he [00:55:30.079] just used it and it’s he’s with Lear and [00:55:32.960] he’s arguing with Lear about Lear’s [00:55:35.520] crazy ideas, right? And and and so you [00:55:39.200] see Bob all the way back then being like [00:55:42.000] the rational [00:55:43.839] dude. The grays were controlling the [00:55:46.640] soul sucker on the moon and when you die [00:55:48.400] it sucks up your soul and it gets [00:55:49.839] reprocessed. Unless the grays steal it. [00:55:52.319] I mean, come on, John. What the what the [00:55:55.440] [ __ ] [00:55:56.000] >> And it just it just it just what it was [00:55:58.720] like was like, “Okay, now I really got [00:56:02.799] to find out.” [00:56:03.839] >> Well, he’s he’s a walking mind [ __ ] [00:56:06.400] because he [00:56:07.520] >> Well, that’s a cool term. [00:56:08.799] >> It is. cuz you I so I have the same [00:56:11.200] motivation as you and as you know and I [00:56:13.200] and and I you know as of a few years ago [00:56:17.599] probably netted out more skeptical than [00:56:20.400] believer when it came to his story. Not [00:56:23.440] necessarily the like surface level [00:56:25.280] details but I thought maybe there was [00:56:26.640] sort of like a cover for something else [00:56:28.160] or something. [00:56:28.799] >> How do you know the information is all [00:56:30.079] that you whatever information you have [00:56:31.680] you have to base your assessment [00:56:33.040] >> 100%. And I at the, you know, at the [00:56:34.880] time and even now have immense respect [00:56:37.119] for Jacques Ble, sort of godfather of [00:56:39.599] UFO research. And he had said some [00:56:41.200] negative things. I pushed him on it once [00:56:43.280] at my ranch alone. He and me were [00:56:45.760] sitting there and I love him with all my [00:56:47.599] heart. This is nothing negative, but I [00:56:49.040] pushed him. I don’t want to get into it, [00:56:50.640] but like what where did that come from [00:56:52.400] specifically? Why do you say that? How [00:56:54.240] do you know that? Do you know that? Are [00:56:55.520] you just saying that? And I’m just [00:56:56.960] saying, [00:56:57.520] >> yeah, [00:56:57.839] >> we are friends, [00:56:59.280] >> but I stick with I stick where I stand [00:57:01.440] on that one. [00:57:02.079] >> Okay. It wasn’t compelling, but but [00:57:05.440] dude, he’s incredible and everything [00:57:07.359] else [00:57:08.240] >> is compelling. But that that idea of [00:57:10.400] belie [00:57:10.720] >> but you stress you wanted to know where [00:57:12.559] he was coming from. You felt [00:57:14.079] >> is there something I don’t know, [00:57:16.000] >> right? [00:57:16.400] >> Tell me. I knew where it all came from. [00:57:18.799] The I know exactly specifically who it [00:57:21.040] came from, why they said it, what their [00:57:23.839] secondhand knowledge is that all in the [00:57:25.680] scientific world they start spreading [00:57:27.680] around that somehow. So, you know that [00:57:30.319] he’s a marriionette, you know, [00:57:32.319] >> right? He’s some sort of MK Ultra like [00:57:34.400] he [00:57:34.799] >> [ __ ] [00:57:35.599] >> Yeah. Yeah. [00:57:36.480] >> But but I I I do want to address one [00:57:38.319] thing, which is that I did have and do [00:57:41.599] have a secret, and that’s for me. And [00:57:44.960] what that is is why I knew that Bob [00:57:48.720] Lazar was telling it as it is. Meaning a [00:57:53.680] facility like that exists, exactly [00:57:56.400] what’s inside of it exists. I wanted to [00:57:59.119] find out if Lazar was actually there and [00:58:01.200] saw it for his own eyes or if he was [00:58:03.200] lying and being used as a marionette. So [00:58:05.680] that day I knew for the first time cuz I [00:58:09.200] asked him certain questions. I knew that [00:58:12.240] it was worthy of deep deep deep [00:58:14.720] investigation. It took me [00:58:16.079] >> So you already knew about the existence [00:58:18.160] of S4. [00:58:18.880] >> I say that in I say that in the movie [00:58:21.440] that there was a lot of people knew [00:58:23.440] about the existence of S4 theoretically. [00:58:26.079] >> Uhhuh. What I’m trying to [00:58:28.000] >> It sounds like you had a pretty good [00:58:28.960] source. [00:58:29.280] >> What I’m What I’m trying to do is go as [00:58:31.119] far as I can, but we have to respect one [00:58:33.680] thing as a journalist. When someone says [00:58:36.240] to you, um, [00:58:40.240] this is my this is for you to know, not [00:58:43.520] to say. If you break that one [ __ ] [00:58:46.559] time, you’re done. [00:58:47.839] >> Yeah. [00:58:48.160] >> Nobody will ever trust you. And it’s so [00:58:50.240] tempting sometimes. [00:58:51.440] >> I’m just trying to say as cleanly. I’m [00:58:53.040] not being oblique. I’m like, you know, [00:58:55.200] it’s a bright room. Sunglasses off. I’m [00:58:57.839] trying to tell you what I can while [00:59:02.319] respecting my oath. [00:59:05.280] >> Yeah, of course. [00:59:06.480] >> And that is that I didn’t go. [00:59:08.880] >> You had good reason to believe. [00:59:10.160] >> Yes. I was I had very solid good reason [00:59:15.520] >> to know that Lazar was correct. Now, was [00:59:20.240] he there? Right? Was he there? And did [00:59:22.640] he see it? You know, cuz that’s another [00:59:24.160] trick that’s played when you’re spilling [00:59:25.760] information, like use people as [00:59:27.520] emissaries to propagate a truth or a [00:59:30.079] lie. So, I hope I explained that to the [00:59:32.720] satisfaction of your amazing and [00:59:34.240] beautiful audience. And you know, that’s [00:59:36.240] that I had cause to want to bullet test [00:59:40.160] Lazar. 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And I think something I want to [01:01:49.280] talk to you about um is is the fact that [01:01:52.400] you really corroborated his presence at [01:01:55.839] S4 Area 51 because you [01:01:57.839] >> you spoke to some other people that one [01:02:01.520] of the pilots that flew um [01:02:03.920] >> the Blackbird, [01:02:05.520] >> really cool [ __ ] plane. Um, yeah. I [01:02:08.400] mean, look, in so many ways, not public, [01:02:11.359] but also public. I got one dude on [01:02:13.599] Ancient Aliens to give his testimony [01:02:15.760] that, you know, he saw Lazar there, you [01:02:18.160] know, [01:02:18.480] >> wild. [01:02:19.040] >> Yeah. Getting off getting on a bus. So, [01:02:20.960] it doesn’t prove flying saucers, but it [01:02:22.880] proves Lazar was there. He was there. [01:02:24.799] Yeah. [01:02:25.040] >> Oh, dude. There’s so many things like [01:02:26.240] that. That’s that’s what I always say [01:02:28.880] when people are like, “Do you believe [01:02:30.480] him?” I’m like, I 100% at this point [01:02:33.760] think he was there and I 100% think S4 [01:02:35.920] exists and then I’m high probability on [01:02:38.720] the story, you know, but like I can’t I [01:02:41.599] can’t say I’m 100%, you know, but after [01:02:44.559] spending time with him, why I say he’s a [01:02:47.119] walking mind [ __ ] is I asked him all my [01:02:49.839] most skeptical questions and the dude [01:02:51.920] didn’t bat an eye. He was cool with me [01:02:54.160] just hurling everything. And to him, [01:02:56.400] he’s probably annoyed, right? cuz he [01:02:57.920] hears all these things adn nauseium and [01:02:59.839] this is like you know one of his last [01:03:01.440] kind of media tour. Maybe he does [01:03:02.799] something else but as you know he hates [01:03:04.319] media and he’s just getting like all [01:03:07.040] these skeptical questions thrown at him [01:03:09.359] from this kid he just met and uh and he [01:03:12.880] was handled all of them gracefully and [01:03:15.280] he’s a great uh he’s a great human being [01:03:17.760] and he’s a fighter. People don’t know [01:03:19.119] that like he is he’s very strong. Um he [01:03:22.799] he does he just doesn’t want uh more [01:03:24.880] drama in his life and he doesn’t want to [01:03:27.119] cause more pain which I can relate to to [01:03:28.880] his family to his beautiful wife and all [01:03:31.599] animal [01:03:31.920] >> he’s had five heart attacks too since [01:03:34.319] >> you allowed to say that [01:03:35.359] >> yeah it was on it was on our episode he [01:03:37.359] talked about it publicly [01:03:38.640] >> okay so yeah there’s a lot of person [01:03:41.200] >> he said it’s just from stress he said [01:03:42.480] his arteries are clear I’ve had five [01:03:44.640] heart attacks from stress [01:03:45.680] >> and and other things from stress and um [01:03:48.799] look man I I really try to keep the [01:03:50.480] personal stuff away because I’ve had [01:03:52.480] problems with that. Um, but there was [01:03:55.359] something in what you said. Um, just [01:03:57.599] kind of meeting him, it’s it’s not good [01:03:58.960] enough to say, well, I met him and I can [01:04:01.119] tell he’s he’s he’s not a liar. No, I [01:04:03.119] wanted tangible actual actual proof, you [01:04:06.000] know, and oh yeah, I found that. And so [01:04:10.880] the question then becomes, do you [01:04:12.960] protect this guy? Do you blow up his [01:04:14.480] life? Dude, I started making the movie. [01:04:17.200] Um, here’s what happened. I never sign [01:04:20.079] anything with anybody and I don’t make [01:04:21.520] them do it. Right? So, I show Lazar the [01:04:25.359] movie and I go, “Look, here’s the deal, [01:04:26.960] man. [01:04:28.559] I’m not a filmmaker, but this is I I [01:04:33.200] want people to see who you are. It’s not [01:04:35.200] about proving anything. I just want them [01:04:38.319] to see what how I’ve gotten to know you [01:04:40.880] after all these years, right? We’ve [01:04:43.359] become friends. You’ve let me in your [01:04:46.000] life.” Um, so look at it through through [01:04:49.039] that lens. And I I I said it’s a gamble [01:04:52.400] right now. You’re so terrorized by [01:04:55.440] anytime you say something, people twist [01:04:57.599] it and they get angry. At that time, [01:04:59.359] Jesse, people were really angry at Bob. [01:05:02.960] He was, you know, it was attack, attack, [01:05:05.119] attack. Now he’s like with you up on [01:05:07.200] stage in Austin and everybody’s [01:05:08.720] cheering. [01:05:09.680] >> Everybody loves him. [01:05:10.559] >> But imagine the risk. So I say, look, I [01:05:13.280] don’t know if anybody’s going to pick up [01:05:14.480] this movie. I don’t know, but watch it. [01:05:18.880] Think about it. And I And you can ask [01:05:21.280] him. I said this. I said, “If you want, [01:05:24.799] I’ll scrap the whole thing.” I didn’t [01:05:27.039] have you sign anything. You know, this [01:05:29.039] is to me, I think important. [01:05:32.640] So, I give him the movie with his wife [01:05:36.319] and they’re the popcorn like, “Let’s [01:05:38.400] watch it.” And there’s like excitement [01:05:39.920] like, “Oh, this is pretty neat.” You [01:05:41.359] know, and he’ll call me right after. [01:05:43.359] call me right after [01:05:45.520] 24 hours goes by. Not a call. [01:05:49.599] 48 hours. I mean, I have like the [01:05:52.319] receipts like my butt. I thought it was [01:05:53.760] no funny. [01:05:55.039] >> So, I just calmed myself. I said, “Okay, [01:05:57.920] okay. What’s going to go on?” He calls [01:06:00.160] me and he, you know, he gets that like, [01:06:02.799] you know, he he’s struggling cuz he [01:06:04.559] knows how many years I spent and he [01:06:06.720] knows that I’m I want to do this. I want [01:06:10.000] the world to see this. And it was just [01:06:12.559] like no. [01:06:15.119] And I go, okay, well, what? So, here I [01:06:17.599] am being calm. I can actually do that, [01:06:20.160] by the way. I can instantaneously be [01:06:22.160] calm, but I don’t like to. So, I calm [01:06:25.599] myself. I say, “Okay, what what what did [01:06:28.799] you not like about the but why did you [01:06:31.119] show?” He didn’t yell, but he’s like, [01:06:32.319] “What? Why did you do this?” And I go, [01:06:34.720] “Oh, let me walk you through why I did [01:06:37.520] that scene. why I showed that personal [01:06:40.880] part of your life. Oh, well that makes [01:06:43.280] sense. Okay, I’m winning here. I’m [01:06:46.559] winning. You know, I’m like, okay, well, [01:06:48.720] what else? We went through the thing [01:06:52.640] and he to his credit, he’s like, okay, [01:06:55.760] you know, you made a you made a good [01:06:58.000] movie. I Okay. And I’m like, so that was [01:07:02.160] the moment where the world almost didn’t [01:07:04.240] see it. And and how that would have [01:07:05.680] changed things is that people would not [01:07:08.960] have seen who he was as a human and he [01:07:12.240] would have been this totem pole that you [01:07:14.480] could just put gasoline on and light it [01:07:16.319] on fire or worship and you should do [01:07:18.559] neither. He’d probably be relegated to [01:07:20.640] like deep corners of the web like like [01:07:24.079] Reddit forums and [ __ ] like people [01:07:26.400] wouldn’t really I mean because then you [01:07:27.920] guys went on Rogan and that is the most [01:07:30.079] viewed Rogan episode of all time. I [01:07:32.480] think it has like 66 or 67 million views [01:07:35.200] or something. [01:07:35.599] >> People hungry. People hungry for this. [01:07:38.480] To Joe’s credit, it also took an act of [01:07:42.559] God to get Bob there. And [01:07:45.839] >> like Joe um had asked me about my first [01:07:48.960] film, Patient 17. He actually the first [01:07:52.319] >> DM I ever did was Joe taught me via it [01:07:56.880] was a it was a a public post. You [01:07:59.119] probably find it. And I was like, I [01:08:00.640] don’t know how or something. And he [01:08:02.240] goes, dude, you have to follow me. I’m [01:08:04.079] like, oh. So I follow and then you [01:08:06.160] learn. And I never sent a DM. And it was [01:08:08.400] about patient 17. So it was like this [01:08:10.799] weird thing. It was a movie I did [01:08:12.559] before. [01:08:13.200] >> I want to talk about patient 17, but [01:08:15.599] >> and um so then Joe, to his absolute [01:08:18.640] credit, kind of kept tabs, I think, on [01:08:21.279] the stuff going along the way. We [01:08:23.600] weren’t friends or anything at that [01:08:24.799] time. It was like, you know, you you [01:08:26.960] never know where you stand. But he just [01:08:28.799] asked me out of the blue one day how I [01:08:32.319] remember it. He he asked me, “Can you um [01:08:36.719] ask Bob and you guys come on the show?” [01:08:39.440] And I don’t I don’t know if it was what [01:08:41.279] the size of the show or anything. I’m [01:08:42.480] not following I’m not tracking that [01:08:44.080] stuff. I knew it was big though. So the [01:08:46.640] thing is I said, “Joe, it was a phone [01:08:48.159] call.” I’m like I I’m like [01:08:51.040] like literally a month ago, you know, [01:08:53.279] two months ago this came out. He said he [01:08:55.040] would do one interview. One. And I took [01:08:57.679] him on Larry King. That was like the one [01:08:59.600] thing he would do to promote them. Just [01:09:01.679] sit next to me. The one thing. And I [01:09:03.759] said, “I don’t want to do that.” But Joe [01:09:05.440] said these magic words to me. He goes, [01:09:08.239] “Can you just ask him?” [01:09:11.920] And before I talked, I thought, “Can I? [01:09:14.480] I can. Okay, I can.” So, yes, I can. [01:09:17.839] Absolutely. Cuz I would love it. I would [01:09:19.440] love for him to be heard more, right? [01:09:21.279] not just about the film, just Bob, you [01:09:23.279] know, and and how cool have somebody [01:09:24.960] else who can interrogate him, you know [01:09:26.880] what I mean? And so, so then [01:09:28.719] >> and in a long form, you know, Larry King [01:09:30.560] was I love, you know, great great [01:09:32.319] legend, but he’s got the suspenders and [01:09:34.560] it’s like this legacy sort of format, [01:09:36.480] you know, Rogan’s natural. [01:09:38.239] >> Yeah. Unnatural. Yeah. Rogan’s got the [01:09:39.920] long form, you know, and for people to [01:09:42.400] build trust, that’s really important. [01:09:44.319] >> But I wasn’t thinking about nothing. I [01:09:46.239] was just like in this um world state [01:09:48.960] where it’s like UFO Vietnam and [01:09:50.560] someone’s asked me to pull this guy back [01:09:52.560] out somewhere to go on. It was months [01:09:54.320] after the initial movie came but right [01:09:55.920] before Netflix got it. So basically the [01:09:58.960] funny thing is is that um I mean it’s [01:10:02.719] hilarious. I was I was he goes he goes [01:10:05.360] is he a disc jockey? Bob said I go Bob [01:10:08.719] look George and I are coming out because [01:10:10.640] we have a a premiere or a screening um [01:10:13.840] in Michigan. So, we’re coming out. Let’s [01:10:16.159] just talk about it then. So, I I [01:10:18.159] remember texting Joe like, “Um, okay, [01:10:20.320] I’m going to need you you to ask him [01:10:22.320] because I’ve I’ve really tried to do all [01:10:24.640] this stuff with Bob, you know, and I [01:10:26.000] don’t want to.” And so, then there’s [01:10:27.600] this really funny phone call and George [01:10:30.320] is standing over here and we I said, [01:10:33.600] “Bob, just get on the phone with Joe, [01:10:35.120] dude. He’s a good dude, dude. Just get [01:10:36.640] on the phone.” Like, you can say no, but [01:10:38.400] just hear the dude out. You know how [01:10:39.920] people Bob, you know, fill in the voids [01:10:42.800] on you. Just don’t fill in the voids. [01:10:44.960] And I was like, so I get him on the [01:10:47.280] speaker phone and and Joe talks to him. [01:10:50.880] And I remember Bob saying, “Okay, I’ll [01:10:54.880] I’ll think about it.” That’s a win, [01:10:57.199] right? [01:10:58.880] I hope it works. You know, you know, I [01:11:00.880] hope it works. I would love to see that. [01:11:02.960] George snapped a photo at that exact [01:11:05.040] minute. And behind us is this ‘8s poster [01:11:08.239] of like John Lear’s face with Lazar and [01:11:10.719] Nap. And there’s me and Bob leaning [01:11:12.560] over. And that’s the moment that really [01:11:14.400] like Bob Lazar was about maybe to tell [01:11:17.679] the world one more time what happened to [01:11:20.480] him on a big ass platform and just do [01:11:23.360] it. I mean different than a movie, [01:11:24.960] right? [01:11:26.080] >> And my by golly [01:11:29.040] >> did he ever. And that episode I think [01:11:31.840] why people loved it so much is because [01:11:35.040] we are all starved to know the one [01:11:38.960] thing. Is this true? M any of it, all of [01:11:44.800] it, some of it, [01:11:47.840] I don’t know. But it was cool as [ __ ] [01:11:51.840] >> It was cool as [ __ ] And it [01:11:53.440] >> still got him. [01:11:54.480] >> It was amazing. [01:11:55.440] >> And he didn’t put the bone down, right? [01:11:57.840] >> He didn’t put the bone down. [01:12:00.239] So, you could stop there, but he’s had [01:12:03.840] on just I I get so joyous. Even if I [01:12:07.679] don’t agree with with somebody and what [01:12:09.280] they’re saying, people on there, Bob’s a [01:12:11.280] liar. I’m like, “Okay, well, I can tell [01:12:12.560] you what you don’t know.” But, um, he [01:12:16.880] he’s he’s brought it into a popular [01:12:19.440] culture thing where I think a lot of us [01:12:22.000] wouldn’t exist in the same way with this [01:12:24.480] if he didn’t he he allowed the [01:12:27.199] discussion to occur. [01:12:28.640] >> Well, you were inextricably a big part [01:12:31.120] of that. So, you know, I hope you just [01:12:33.120] take that as a compliment. And [01:12:34.960] >> I was sitting on I was sitting in the [01:12:36.640] room. [01:12:38.800] Um, I want to get into some other [01:12:40.880] amazing people that you’ve sort of [01:12:42.560] broken out into the public and are now [01:12:44.560] part of the whole UFO conversation. Who [01:12:47.760] is Dylan Borland? [01:12:49.280] >> Okay. Do you think your audience would [01:12:50.800] prefer if I just give you really short [01:12:52.320] direct answers? [01:12:53.760] >> No. I think I think they want the full [01:12:56.560] deep I love what we’re doing now, which [01:12:58.560] is just getting into it and, you know, [01:13:00.400] talking. [01:13:01.120] >> Yes. No. Right. [01:13:02.640] >> No. [01:13:03.040] >> Okay. [01:13:03.520] >> Yeah. [01:13:03.840] >> Dylan Boran. [01:13:04.640] >> That’s Larry King. [01:13:05.840] >> Okay. That is [01:13:06.560] >> all all respect to [01:13:07.600] >> Larry. No, he was awesome, dude. You [01:13:09.199] know what he did? When I walk in with [01:13:10.239] Larry King and Bob, I’m like, you know, [01:13:12.320] nervous. But for Bob, because I’m making [01:13:14.480] him do this thing early morning, I come [01:13:16.640] in, Larry King looks at me and he just [01:13:18.560] like winks at me like a 1950s like, [01:13:21.199] “You’re going to be okay, kid.” But I [01:13:23.040] wasn’t the nervous one, you know? It was [01:13:25.440] funny. He was a cool dude. [01:13:26.800] >> He was a cool dude. Yeah. [01:13:28.640] >> So, um, Dylan Borland. So [01:13:32.400] friend, [01:13:34.640] intelligent, [01:13:36.880] balls like church bells, [01:13:41.679] a man of faith, [01:13:47.440] husband, [01:13:49.760] animal, lover, and protector. [01:13:52.800] Honest, [01:13:55.600] nervous at times. [01:14:02.800] endured extreme adversity. Endured [01:14:05.520] extreme adversity. [01:14:08.400] He doesn’t have a road map cuz um other [01:14:10.880] people got [ __ ] cleared. [01:14:14.080] By getting stuff cleared, he would [01:14:16.000] expose himself. [01:14:18.480] So, he has to dance a line until they [01:14:20.159] let him talk. [01:14:22.239] And [01:14:24.080] he has endured [01:14:26.719] extreme adversity like you said and [01:14:29.760] people don’t know all that. I was just [01:14:33.040] with him for 5 days. We were just having [01:14:35.760] a good time at Mc Minville, you know, [01:14:38.560] >> and I I know I I’m try to keep the [01:14:41.120] private stuff out, but he just say he’s [01:14:43.760] very loved and has a loving relationship [01:14:47.520] um and is an absolute [01:14:53.199] in my assessment, [01:14:55.920] >> honest, straightforward. He has a little [01:14:57.920] OCD like me. Like he’s like, “Did you [01:14:59.920] lock your room?” I’m like, “I think so.” [01:15:01.040] He like ran back up to check the door, [01:15:03.040] you know. Um, so he’s afidious is the [01:15:06.560] what I like to call it when someone’s [01:15:07.840] like, “Fidious, you know, that’s who [01:15:10.880] Dylan Borland is as a human being. [01:15:15.120] He also [01:15:19.679] is somebody that you should trust. [01:15:24.000] What did he experience? [01:15:25.840] >> Okay. That I can talk about. [01:15:28.640] >> Mhm. [01:15:29.760] >> Um he told you in Congress is there was [01:15:34.159] a large triangular shaped craft that was [01:15:37.280] near the NASA hanger. It moved over [01:15:40.320] towards him. [01:15:42.640] It had zero sound. [01:15:45.679] It had electrostatic like the smell of [01:15:48.239] rain. His phone had interference. Went [01:15:51.920] hot, went out. [01:15:54.320] All the classics. [01:15:55.520] >> It was between one to two stories thick, [01:15:57.679] equilateral triangle. I could never see [01:15:59.840] the top of it. And the edges were 90° [01:16:03.280] 90°. [01:16:05.120] There were four lights in total. Uh one [01:16:08.239] light on each corner and a larger light [01:16:10.560] in the center. two to three times the [01:16:12.400] size of the corner lights. The craft [01:16:14.320] itself was this black metallic flake [01:16:16.480] paint, but on top of the craft was this [01:16:19.360] gold lava plasma some type of fluid [01:16:23.760] going over and around the craft. little [01:16:26.719] lava plasma. [01:16:28.080] >> That was something that if I had a [01:16:29.920] nickel [01:16:31.199] >> for every time someone described the [01:16:34.560] seemingly intelligent [01:16:37.679] gold [01:16:39.520] undulating [01:16:41.040] hue [01:16:43.440] >> that engineers have described to me. [01:16:48.000] >> They can’t describe the exact They’re [01:16:50.080] engineers. It really bothers them when [01:16:51.360] they can’t they don’t have the words for [01:16:52.560] something, you know, um what it made [01:16:54.719] them feel. [01:16:56.159] an intelligence. Now, Dylan didn’t say [01:16:58.800] that part, but I’ if I had a nickel for [01:17:00.800] every time I’ve heard that. So, yeah, [01:17:02.480] that’s undulating [01:17:04.480] lava lava lamp style gold and then shoot [01:17:10.000] straight up. [01:17:11.920] You you’d mistake it as a star and then [01:17:14.640] took off [01:17:16.560] on a military base. That’s what you know [01:17:20.400] and the world really knows up till the [01:17:22.480] very minute basically of what he [01:17:25.199] experienced but a lot more there’s a lot [01:17:27.520] more [01:17:27.920] >> I have direct firsthand knowledge and [01:17:30.480] exposure to crash recovery reverse [01:17:33.040] engineering integration of technology [01:17:35.199] into redacted [01:17:37.360] >> as well as the most important piece of [01:17:39.360] technology on the planet and it’s not [01:17:41.760] the craft themselves [01:17:44.320] >> it would be the power source [01:17:46.880] >> you can make that assessment logist. [01:17:49.760] >> It is your sense that that craft was [01:17:52.159] being housed at the military base or was [01:17:55.120] doing sort of recon from above at the [01:17:58.800] military base or is it like anybody’s [01:18:00.880] guess and he’s open to either [01:18:03.120] interpretation? [01:18:04.320] >> Yeah. If he doesn’t know, I can’t know. [01:18:07.280] I don’t know. Um it is a conundrum. What [01:18:11.120] was it? What was it doing? Were we [01:18:13.120] operating it? Was it ours? Is it a [01:18:14.960] program where we utilize things? I mean, [01:18:17.440] look, if we have that technology, [01:18:19.040] everybody’s been lying to me. [01:18:21.199] >> So, if we have it, I I I really want us [01:18:23.440] to have that technology. And there there [01:18:25.360] are some arguments. [01:18:27.199] >> You believe we have crafts. You believe [01:18:28.719] we have crafts and saucers and hangers. [01:18:30.800] >> Oh, no, we do. Yeah. Yeah. The But I’m [01:18:33.199] saying I guess what I’m saying is some [01:18:35.920] people claim that we have a modicum of [01:18:39.120] control over them. Like even Lazar, you [01:18:41.920] know, they gave him the impression that [01:18:44.800] we were flying it. Obviously, it seems [01:18:47.199] that way. Low performance test. [01:18:49.520] >> So, these triangles, there is evidence [01:18:51.840] that would make me think that we’ve done [01:18:53.920] something like a retrofit, but it’s not [01:18:57.199] something that there’s a thumbrint for [01:18:58.880] that is easily findable. I don’t think [01:19:01.360] there is one. So, I think at best what [01:19:04.320] we’re doing, and this leads into other [01:19:06.400] things that were told to me by an [01:19:07.760] intelligence agency that I said for the [01:19:09.440] first time publicly because my lawyer [01:19:10.960] said, “Well, if they said that to you, [01:19:13.840] you can.” Dylan never said it to me. [01:19:16.239] They did [01:19:17.199] >> and that’s well documented. So I was [01:19:19.600] able to say three things last weekend [01:19:21.920] that were never said before and Dylan [01:19:24.159] couldn’t answer any of them. And to to [01:19:26.719] to get to your I’m sorry get to get to I [01:19:30.080] think your [01:19:30.560] >> Can you say what the intelligence agency [01:19:32.560] said? [01:19:33.120] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I can but then we go off [01:19:35.120] on a whole different tangent. It’s just [01:19:37.600] broke news. It’s breaking today. while [01:19:39.280] we’re doing this [01:19:40.560] >> just high level the the [01:19:41.760] >> Yeah, I I I can but let’s just finish [01:19:43.600] this one little triangle thing. [01:19:45.040] >> Sure. [01:19:45.600] >> Which is I think um [01:19:48.719] >> there is evidence that we meaning that [01:19:52.480] the United States [01:19:54.640] have been able to put a non [01:20:01.199] human power source into a constructed [01:20:05.840] body of other craft. The problem is is [01:20:09.360] it can’t handle it. It’s like putting a [01:20:10.880] Ferrari engine in a Pinto, you know, and [01:20:13.120] then you try to drive that fast on those [01:20:14.719] wheels, you’re dead, right? So, that’s [01:20:16.480] where I’m at at this point. The evidence [01:20:18.400] has directed me to that that we’ve made [01:20:20.960] some exploitive derivative technologies [01:20:23.760] based on it, but the skin of the craft, [01:20:27.120] but non-human power source, the ability [01:20:29.199] to make it work at all. Well, even if [01:20:32.000] you can’t retrofit it onto some, [01:20:34.000] >> but that’s what it’s it sounds like [01:20:36.159] you’re saying. does. So, I’m thinking [01:20:38.880] that it just does work. [01:20:41.280] >> Okay. [01:20:41.760] >> And then you’re trying to harness that [01:20:44.239] and not have the wheels break off. You [01:20:46.800] know what I’m saying? So, it’s like, you [01:20:48.640] know, you can [01:20:49.920] >> slap it on there and [01:20:51.199] >> slap it on there. Yeah. Exactly. Like, [01:20:53.360] so I that’s to the best of my knowledge [01:20:56.080] >> without getting too specific and in the [01:20:57.679] weeds for your audience, that’s to the [01:20:59.199] to the best of my knowledge. [01:21:00.800] >> Sure. [01:21:01.440] >> And then the three things I I said, [01:21:04.000] >> is that what you wanted to know next? [01:21:05.280] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, I said that [01:21:08.239] I was directly told by a lead of the [01:21:13.280] ODNI’s dig, the director’s initiative, [01:21:18.320] that Dylan Borland [01:21:21.600] drew [01:21:23.360] four drawings, I think it was, which was [01:21:26.800] a lie. [01:21:30.640] He did draw three for the ICIG because [01:21:34.080] it was filmed. [01:21:36.480] So why the lie? We’ll talk about that. [01:21:38.480] But [01:21:40.400] I think it was I think it was four [01:21:42.640] drawings is what they said. So one was [01:21:45.600] the craft and everybody knows that [01:21:48.000] that’s just he saw it at a base doesn’t [01:21:49.760] know anything. [01:21:51.679] But the [01:21:53.440] ODNI [01:21:55.040] told me that he had told them about [01:22:00.400] Project Rubik’s Cube. Now, if that is a [01:22:04.560] classified UAP program, then nobody [01:22:08.080] should be telling me that, especially if [01:22:10.000] it was said in a skiff. Now, the problem [01:22:12.480] is I already knew about it. multisource. [01:22:17.360] I don’t know the full nature of Project [01:22:19.040] Rubik’s Cube, but I think they were [01:22:22.800] trying to entrap him to see what he had [01:22:24.560] said to me in George in private. He had [01:22:26.560] never said that to me, but I knew about [01:22:28.719] it already. Multiple sourcing, right? [01:22:31.840] >> So George and I were like, when OD and I [01:22:34.080] told us that, we said, “You said it, not [01:22:36.880] us.” [01:22:37.360] >> Yeah. [01:22:38.239] >> So So he shouldn’t get in trouble to be [01:22:41.199] clear. [01:22:41.520] >> Well, he can’t. [01:22:42.159] >> He can’t. [01:22:42.719] >> He never said it. [01:22:43.440] >> He never said it. So, I asked him on [01:22:44.960] stage, [01:22:45.679] >> but his face did look down in [01:22:47.920] >> I don’t I don’t know what he looked. I [01:22:50.080] tried not to look at him. I said, “I’m [01:22:51.280] not even gonna look at you.” [01:22:52.320] >> I wasn’t trapping him either. [01:22:54.080] >> No. Sure. [01:22:54.719] >> You know, I called Chuck McCulla prior. [01:22:58.239] >> Yeah. [01:22:58.560] >> Like like earlier that morning and I [01:23:00.480] said, “Here’s the deal. You know, ODNI [01:23:03.199] was targeting me and George and they [01:23:05.199] were targeting us and all these [01:23:06.639] whistleblowers and then we got proof. By [01:23:08.480] the way, the CIA, the whole thing that [01:23:10.639] happened in in Congress, we’ll get to [01:23:11.920] that if you want.” So, they’re targeting [01:23:14.159] us, but I said, “Chuck, they told me [01:23:16.480] about Project Rubik’s Cube.” And kind of [01:23:18.719] long silence with Chuck, [01:23:21.280] and there’s two more things. And he [01:23:22.800] goes, “Well,” he goes, “You’re a [01:23:24.480] journalist. You have no They have no [01:23:26.880] authority that if they said that to you, [01:23:28.719] >> it’s on them. [01:23:29.600] >> That’s on them.” I said, “So, I can say [01:23:31.520] it.” Yeah. Can I try to get Dylan to [01:23:34.880] confirm that? and he goes essentially as [01:23:38.239] a lawyer, right, if he knows or doesn’t [01:23:40.480] know that he he is not in a legal [01:23:43.040] position to admit or anything about [01:23:46.880] that. And I said, well, I’m going to I’m [01:23:48.560] going to ask him if you say I can say [01:23:50.159] that on stage because I think it’s [01:23:51.600] important people now know. And I know [01:23:54.000] Dylan can handle himself. Nothing [01:23:55.760] pre-planned. He stood up in front of [01:23:57.920] Congress and handled himself, right? So [01:24:00.239] I asked him, I was told by an ODNI agent [01:24:06.560] that Dylan [01:24:08.960] testified [01:24:10.560] to ICIG, [01:24:12.719] the police of the intelligence agencies, [01:24:15.760] that there is a UFO program and it’s [01:24:18.800] called Rubik’s Cube. [01:24:21.600] That’s what he said. That’s what that’s [01:24:24.000] what I heard from the ODNI, [01:24:27.360] which they shouldn’t be calling me and [01:24:29.199] telling me what was described in this [01:24:31.520] gift. Should they? [01:24:33.440] >> Right. So, I’m a journalist, so I listen [01:24:36.719] and I testify. Can you believe me? The [01:24:38.480] daughter of a beer tattoo journalist or [01:24:39.920] a great mentor. You don’t need to [01:24:41.120] believe me. [01:24:42.880] Project Rubik’s cube. Dylan, I’m not [01:24:46.080] going to look at you. Have you have you [01:24:48.719] ever testified to ICIG about a UAP [01:24:54.800] program [01:24:56.560] containing UAP [01:24:58.560] called Project Rubik’s Cube? [01:25:02.960] Well, let me [01:25:04.880] um [01:25:09.040] don’t do it. [01:25:11.920] >> I am not in a stiff. [01:25:15.199] I am not going to jail. [01:25:19.679] I can neither confirm or deny that if [01:25:21.440] you want me to answer that question, ask [01:25:23.440] for a candidacy for the whistleblowers. [01:25:25.840] Ask Congress in the executive branch to [01:25:27.520] give it to us and I’ll answer that [01:25:28.800] question. [01:25:34.080] >> In my read that says if he is protected [01:25:37.360] as a whistleblower [01:25:38.719] >> and they want him to be able to talk [01:25:41.040] freely, then he will absolutely talk [01:25:43.600] about that. So he didn’t confirm nor [01:25:44.960] deny it. Smart move. [01:25:46.080] >> Yeah. [01:25:46.639] >> Now it gets weird. [01:25:48.639] >> Through the intelligence agency, George [01:25:50.159] was on the call. Through the [01:25:51.440] intelligence agency, they said he drew [01:25:54.639] obviously the triangle that he saw or [01:25:57.679] whatever, but in the ICIG that he drew a [01:26:01.440] pyramidshaped [01:26:03.679] power source. [01:26:05.760] Pyramid triangle by angle of [01:26:07.679] observation. Pyramid-shaped power [01:26:10.080] source. Non-human. We’re talking about [01:26:12.080] NHI. [01:26:14.560] I I don’t know if we publicly said where [01:26:17.120] that was being housed, but I have [01:26:20.560] already reported this to multiple [01:26:22.480] agencies that were trying to find where [01:26:24.639] the legacy [ __ ] was being held. So, this [01:26:26.639] is like I already reported all of this [01:26:28.480] what I knew, right? Factually, we’re [01:26:32.320] holding facilities when they’re trying [01:26:33.920] to hide it from DOJ who’s trying to, you [01:26:36.400] know, find out where this stuff is. [01:26:39.520] as a journalist, right? You you when [01:26:41.840] when the American government says [01:26:43.440] they’re hiding from us, I openly will [01:26:46.800] try to help an agency, go hold them [01:26:48.960] accountable, like another agency. Oh, [01:26:51.040] I’ll [ __ ] help them. No problem. I’ll [01:26:52.639] tell them something. Not talking about [01:26:54.159] whis we’re not talking about sources or [01:26:56.080] witnesses, you know, nothing to do with [01:26:57.760] that. Third thing that was told to me by [01:27:03.199] OD and I [01:27:05.440] is that Dylan do a drawing of like a [01:27:10.800] hieroglyph [01:27:12.880] and and by the way these were told to me [01:27:14.960] they were classified. [01:27:17.040] Why would you classify [01:27:20.560] a symbol? [01:27:22.639] What the [ __ ] [01:27:24.560] >> What the [ __ ] Uh, [01:27:26.480] >> so I imagine the symbol is somehow [01:27:28.800] associated physically on the pyramid. [01:27:33.280] >> That’s trippy. [01:27:34.800] >> Yeah, bro. Well, because my mind when [01:27:36.960] you said pyramid, I started tripping out [01:27:38.960] because I’m thinking about the pyramids [01:27:41.679] all over, you know, disperate [01:27:44.080] civilizations from thousands of years [01:27:46.639] ago from you can go to the Yucatan and [01:27:49.199] Mexico, you can go to Peru, uh, and you [01:27:52.159] can go to Egypt and you can go to, you [01:27:54.880] know, uh, Cambodia and, uh, you know, [01:27:57.520] one of the sort of, you know, most [01:27:59.280] common things is a pyramid. That is, [01:28:01.040] that is sort of a very common structure. [01:28:03.360] And then what I also find fascinating is [01:28:05.199] they’re now there’s a guy named Filipo [01:28:06.639] Beondi who I’ve had on my show. He’s an [01:28:08.320] Italian radar scientist who with [01:28:10.960] synthetic aperture radar Doppler [01:28:12.719] tomography has found these this energy [01:28:15.520] grid is is what he believes it is. At [01:28:18.719] least we know it’s tubular [01:28:21.679] 20 m long [01:28:24.480] eight of these things with coils [01:28:27.199] wrapping around them that go a kilometer [01:28:29.440] deep tens of meters down below the [01:28:31.280] pyramid. I’ve hosted a debate on my [01:28:34.000] show. I don’t know for sure if it’s [01:28:37.360] real, but it does seem like he found [01:28:39.040] some anomaly under there. And there is [01:28:40.480] something under there. [01:28:41.120] >> Yeah, I looked at the Italian stuff, [01:28:42.719] too. I mean, there’s something under [01:28:43.760] there. [01:28:44.159] >> Seems like there’s something under [01:28:45.040] there. [01:28:45.440] >> Didn’t Joe talk about some um tic tac [01:28:47.440] shaped metallic object they also found? [01:28:49.199] Is that real? [01:28:49.920] >> That’s in the labyrinth that Heroditus [01:28:52.639] and Ply the Elder and Ben Van Kirkwick [01:28:55.040] is now sort of reporting on. [01:28:56.560] >> Good beer. Ply the Elder. [01:28:58.239] >> Ply the Elder. We had to get him in [01:29:00.159] somehow. ply. Um [01:29:03.199] but um yeah, and so I I know less about [01:29:05.600] that, but Egypt’s so weird because it [01:29:08.880] seems like there’s like an underground [01:29:10.400] city. Like even the most conventional [01:29:13.280] archaeologists, I think, would say that [01:29:15.280] there’s so much going on underneath all [01:29:17.520] of these kind of topological structures. [01:29:19.360] Even, you know, the Sphinx, there [01:29:21.120] definitely are shafts below that. Even [01:29:22.880] Zahi Hawwas who’s like the embodiment of [01:29:25.440] like you know gatekeeping in the region [01:29:27.760] former you know minister of culture will [01:29:29.920] admit that there’s a shaft below the [01:29:31.440] sphinx and for whatever reason it’s all [01:29:33.520] like locked down and I don’t know if [01:29:35.520] you’re Egypt you’ve got to be thinking [01:29:37.760] what’s the number one GDP boosting thing [01:29:40.080] we can do [01:29:41.440] >> dig figure out what’s under there you [01:29:43.280] you find some new exciting you know [01:29:45.520] discovery that’s like for all mankind [01:29:48.400] everyone’s going to visit and be excited [01:29:50.159] and celebrate [01:29:50.719] >> it’s like being the disclosure [01:29:52.000] president. Wouldn’t it be great? I mean, [01:29:53.520] President Trump has forced this mandate [01:29:55.840] and is following through so far. Look, [01:29:58.239] whoever does this first is going to be [01:30:00.960] hero for the rest of their life, hero [01:30:03.360] for eternity. Um, with with But you’re [01:30:05.600] talking about something outside of my [01:30:08.080] scope of knowledge [01:30:10.239] >> um and ability like I I I’ve heard of [01:30:12.719] all these things, but let’s to bring it [01:30:15.040] to so but maybe it’s the UFO power [01:30:17.360] source. Is this this pyramid? There’s [01:30:19.360] some maybe there’s something about the [01:30:20.960] pyramid shape. [01:30:22.400] >> Yeah. So that’s now I’m going to tell [01:30:24.560] you what I pretty I’m I’m pretty [01:30:27.679] confident [01:30:28.080] >> and and there’s pyramid tubulin in the [01:30:30.560] microtubules of the brain that Roger [01:30:32.639] Penrose and Hamarov think are [01:30:34.880] responsible for collapse of the wave [01:30:36.639] function and consciousness. And even Hal [01:30:39.199] Putoff who’s out here in Austin talks [01:30:41.440] about this as his best model of [01:30:43.040] consciousness. And there are rumors of [01:30:44.480] UFO legacy programs recruiting psionic [01:30:47.040] assets to call in craft mentally. And so [01:30:50.000] the tubulant pyramid structures in the [01:30:52.159] brain might have some sort of part in [01:30:54.639] that. Okay. So now when you talk about [01:30:56.480] tubulant brain structures collapsing the [01:30:58.719] waveform of consciousness, I am lost on [01:31:02.239] what those words represent in functional [01:31:04.800] reality. However, sounds [ __ ] cool. [01:31:08.320] Um I don’t know about the whole psionics [01:31:11.360] thing. [01:31:11.920] >> Yeah. What do you think? What do you [01:31:12.960] think? Do you think that’s real? [01:31:14.239] >> Just just top level um thing. [01:31:16.480] >> Yeah. [01:31:16.880] >> Um [01:31:17.280] >> like the Skywatcher stuff. Do you think [01:31:18.800] any of that? [01:31:19.440] >> So I’m not [01:31:21.679] >> like the and Greer pushes this stuff. [01:31:24.239] >> Yeah. So two things. One, [01:31:26.480] >> when I’m talking about a pyramid power [01:31:30.000] source in a class, no in a classified [01:31:33.360] ICIG. [01:31:34.400] >> Yeah. [01:31:36.239] >> Alleged drawing from Dylan. Again, he [01:31:38.400] didn’t tell me. And he still says, “I [01:31:40.480] can’t confirm nor deny, but I’d love to [01:31:41.920] have the authority.” The symbol hier I [01:31:45.040] think was the word was used to me and [01:31:46.800] George hieroglyphic, I think, on the [01:31:49.760] thing. We’re talking about something [01:31:51.199] that you could put in other stuff, you [01:31:54.480] know? So, if we’re talking about a power [01:31:55.840] source, I’m imagining that’s how we [01:31:59.520] would retrofit [01:32:01.440] things, but I’m not sure on that. Like, [01:32:03.360] let me report back to you. just the [01:32:05.920] multitude of sources that we’ve got. [01:32:08.400] It’s all aiming towards this idea that [01:32:11.600] there’s different parts of technology [01:32:14.400] that are held by different groups. And [01:32:17.679] that’s why DOJ is like saying remember I [01:32:20.320] mean it was a public thing. They were [01:32:21.360] like trying to find out. It’s a public [01:32:23.120] thing that Berles Rep. Berles was going [01:32:26.239] to places for different hardware. Um so [01:32:29.280] I’m not speaking out of school. What [01:32:31.120] what I’m trying to to say is there are [01:32:33.360] certain different types of hardware that [01:32:35.120] I understand to be held in different [01:32:36.400] places. So I’m not talking about big [01:32:38.000] pyramids. I’m talking about something [01:32:39.760] that appears maybe movable as a power [01:32:42.400] source. Now you just went somewhere [01:32:44.800] else. I want to catch you back on where [01:32:46.800] you left off, but I wanted to qualify [01:32:48.800] that. [01:32:49.199] >> No. Yeah. [01:32:49.679] >> What was the last [01:32:50.560] >> The last thing I was saying is do you [01:32:52.239] think this idea of ionic assets is that [01:32:55.840] real? So, what people don’t know is that [01:33:00.159] a homeless guy came up to me in 2013 and [01:33:04.800] said, “Look up.” [01:33:07.120] Yeah. And I looked up and I saw like a [01:33:12.000] globe like just a I didn’t know you [01:33:14.400] balloon. What the you know. So then I [01:33:16.719] started I think it was 2013. No, no. I’m [01:33:19.360] sorry. That that’s No, that was in 2004 [01:33:25.840] because or 2005 was right after I was [01:33:28.080] sick. So, this homeless guy says, “Look [01:33:30.400] up.” Right. Um I’m looking up. It’s a [01:33:34.000] little bit more than that. Uh what [01:33:35.520] happened was [01:33:37.920] I got a message on a YouTube video that [01:33:41.840] I posted cuz I saw this thing in the sky [01:33:44.800] and I didn’t know what it was. I filmed [01:33:46.080] it. It’s called the I called it the [01:33:47.520] Silver Surfer. [01:33:49.040] >> And I um just it it looked like these [01:33:51.679] zigzaggy things. Do you know this part [01:33:53.600] of Oh, this is cool. You got to hear [01:33:55.360] this. Okay, so zigzaggy things. And I [01:33:57.520] pulled out my phone. I’m filming. I’m [01:33:58.800] walking in Santa Monica with my now [01:34:01.600] wife, right? And we had I had a [01:34:03.840] different pup, Lucky, three legs. So [01:34:07.440] I filmed this [ __ ] in the sky, post it [01:34:10.560] onto YouTube. Next thing I know, Bill [01:34:14.800] Nye, the science guy, is saying, “Oh, I [01:34:18.400] don’t know. Um, he probably superimposed [01:34:22.000] um, brine shrimp onto the film. [01:34:23.920] >> It could be sea monkeys, which are brine [01:34:27.760] shrimp shot in the right light and [01:34:30.080] superimposed on the blue sky with the [01:34:31.840] shaky thing.” [01:34:32.639] >> I immediately go on Google. I look up [01:34:34.239] what Brian Shrimp is. It’s Sea Monkeys. [01:34:36.400] And I was like, I was [ __ ] pissed. So [01:34:39.760] I like I thought people on TV there were [01:34:42.080] science people had like scientific [01:34:43.520] method. I don’t even know how to [01:34:44.800] superimpose nothing on iPhone footage at [01:34:47.280] the time. I was like just barely [01:34:48.880] >> that’s whack of Bill Nye man. [01:34:50.159] >> Yeah. What was the first year of the [01:34:51.679] iPhone? [01:34:52.400] >> Uh 2008 I think. 2008. [01:34:54.560] >> 2008. So well look you know what [01:34:56.159] >> but I think of Bill Nye I’m like that’s [01:34:57.760] was such a bummer cuz he’s you know he’s [01:34:59.440] like this Mr. Rogers character of [01:35:01.280] science. [01:35:02.000] >> But I’m I’m obsessed with [01:35:03.120] >> accusing you of shrimp brine. Yeah, it [01:35:05.120] gets better. I’m super obsessed with [01:35:07.040] getting the right date so you can look [01:35:08.960] up the video yourself. That’s how you [01:35:10.480] know the date. Um I [01:35:11.920] >> Oh, so maybe it was a little later. [01:35:13.360] >> I used to be kicked in the head for a [01:35:15.199] living. I I I literally when it comes to [01:35:17.920] dates, I have to keep all in a phone and [01:35:20.880] I use photos. So if you guys look up [01:35:23.679] Silver Surfer, it’s probably one of the [01:35:25.440] first videos on my YouTube’s probably [01:35:26.880] there. Um what happens is he goes on the [01:35:30.400] news, I get pissed off cuz I didn’t know [01:35:32.480] about news. What are you doing? Right? [01:35:34.320] So I called the news station. I said, [01:35:35.760] “Wait a second. I didn’t superimpose [01:35:37.280] anything and they just dismissed me, [01:35:39.040] right?” And I’m like, “The fuck?” But [01:35:40.159] they did this like story about it. So I [01:35:42.560] went to deep dive investigation on my [01:35:45.199] UFO sighting. I mean, I went into like [01:35:47.120] forums and like Facebook and like what [01:35:49.280] was it? It was called like, you know, [01:35:51.199] all this stuff. Um, my space and I found [01:35:54.560] all these people that had also filmed [01:35:56.800] it. I got six angles of this [ __ ] [01:35:59.040] right? So I went like crazy, bro. I was [01:36:01.440] like, “No one’s going to tell me, you [01:36:03.920] know, that I superposed Brian Shrimp.” [01:36:06.320] And I literally [01:36:07.440] >> Such a weird accusation, [01:36:09.040] >> bro. I literally Yeah. Yeah. Billy, you [01:36:12.080] might be a nice guy. Um I literally [01:36:14.239] >> He’s probably a science guy as well. [01:36:16.800] >> I don’t know. Worst joke ever. Yeah. I [01:36:19.360] don’t know. Oh, that’s Oh, Bill science [01:36:21.120] guy. So then I just like So then what? [01:36:23.040] Here’s the deal, man. I get six angles [01:36:25.120] of this thing. [01:36:25.840] >> Yeah. [01:36:26.400] >> So I can then figure out where it was. I [01:36:30.239] figured it out. There’s a bunch of [01:36:31.760] people online. It’s funny story I’ll [01:36:33.040] tell you later about online who was [01:36:34.560] there, but figured it out [01:36:37.440] and I got the footage [01:36:39.760] from the helmet cam of the Red Bull [01:36:42.960] skydiving team with iridium flares that [01:36:46.159] look like the Silver Surfer. So, I [01:36:47.760] debunked my first UFO case in life. So, [01:36:50.719] that’s how I I like finally realized [01:36:53.440] like, you know, you got to [ __ ] uh [01:36:55.600] make sure and talk about I didn’t never [01:36:57.360] said it was UFO. I just asked a [01:36:58.719] question. Well, well, even then it was a [01:37:00.719] UFO. It was an unidentified flying [01:37:02.560] object, [01:37:02.960] >> but I solved it and I realized you can [01:37:05.280] solve it. I remember writing in to like [01:37:07.040] some UFO thing goes, “Hey guys, guys, I [01:37:09.440] have a solved UFO case.” They were so [01:37:11.280] not interested in a solved UFO case. [01:37:13.199] >> It’s a problem with, you know, a lot of [01:37:14.880] the reporting, [01:37:16.719] they don’t want the debunks and [01:37:19.040] >> but that was kind of like a funny thing. [01:37:21.600] So, um, where I realized that people [01:37:23.920] were disingenuous and that they were [01:37:26.480] just saying [ __ ] and that they’re not [01:37:28.639] authority, you know, on stuff and [01:37:30.320] they’re not even scientists sometimes. [01:37:31.840] >> You also, I mean, there’s so many layers [01:37:33.679] to that story because it it does [01:37:36.159] eventually get debunked by you more [01:37:39.040] accurately, but there’s like a fake [01:37:41.119] debunk as well. And so, you want the [01:37:43.280] right debunk. You don’t want but then [01:37:45.360] you also want the community to say that [01:37:47.280] the debunks are important and they [01:37:49.280] didn’t care about like the ultimate [01:37:50.800] debunk was right. [01:37:52.080] >> I would say debunk I I would say um like [01:37:56.159] you don’t so debunking means you you you [01:37:58.320] already have an idea and you you have to [01:38:00.239] fit it into that idea in my [01:38:01.840] >> Yeah. Or it means you were presenting it [01:38:04.080] for sure as nonhuman. You weren’t just [01:38:05.760] saying what is this? [01:38:07.119] >> Analysis is important, right? Analysis. [01:38:09.360] You analyze everything. Some of the UFO [01:38:11.280] videos that are going to come out from [01:38:12.320] the government had deep deep deep [01:38:14.239] analysis like instantaneous [01:38:15.679] acceleration. That is what you’re seeing [01:38:17.520] in that video. They did not want that [01:38:19.119] video out. [01:38:19.760] >> Yeah. But even then, do you think that [01:38:21.679] there are possible ways to poke holes in [01:38:24.080] it and that there there might be [01:38:25.840] >> Oh, yeah. Dude, and look one day, you [01:38:27.840] know, [01:38:28.320] >> like like if it were massless. [01:38:30.000] >> If I get more I was massless. [01:38:31.920] >> Like if it didn’t if it was some sort [01:38:33.840] of, you know, it looked real like it had [01:38:36.960] mass but it was a hologram or something. [01:38:38.960] >> Well, it got a weapons grade lock on it. [01:38:41.679] Um, and by the way, [ __ ] how do I say [01:38:45.600] this? So like [01:38:46.320] >> cuz you can technically look like you’re [01:38:47.920] breaking Newton’s third law if [01:38:50.560] >> So you got so you got so the the debunk, [01:38:52.560] not the debunk, but the plausible. And [01:38:54.800] I’m not saying I believe [01:38:55.679] >> No, no, no. I look new information. I’m [01:38:58.159] going to absorb it. But we learned this [01:39:00.960] uh the hard way. Uh life did, you know, [01:39:03.520] um people did in a cool way. So yes, [01:39:06.400] sure, Jesse. [01:39:08.639] >> Maybe that’s not a a UFO, you know, [01:39:11.679] spacecraft that it’s instantaneous. If [01:39:13.840] you give me information, you should give [01:39:15.840] it to the government first of all [01:39:17.119] because they disagree. But, you know, [01:39:19.040] cuz they they have eyes on all the [01:39:20.320] assets. I’m [01:39:21.040] >> sure they know that. So, here was my [01:39:23.280] point. That was a deep dive analysis [01:39:25.199] that came out, right? Because George and [01:39:27.360] I obtained and released it. Our [01:39:29.280] government hasn’t released it. I’m sure [01:39:30.639] there’s a pilot uh a mission report on [01:39:33.119] that. I want that. The world should have [01:39:35.360] that. So, whatever. Yeah. And at some [01:39:37.600] point, you do your best, you put [01:39:38.880] something out, and then maybe it’s not [01:39:40.080] what you were told or what the [01:39:41.600] government thought. And the reason I’m [01:39:42.639] saying this is because in these, they [01:39:45.199] call them tranches of releases. There’s [01:39:47.440] going to be good information and bad [01:39:49.040] information. And that’s that’s why we [01:39:51.600] want it out. So people really bright [01:39:53.280] minds, the internet can solve [ __ ] real [01:39:54.719] quick, right? [01:39:55.119] >> That’s why I struggle with video myself [01:39:58.480] because I’m like, I’m not a VFX guy. I [01:40:00.800] don’t know. So I see some of these [01:40:02.320] videos, I’m like, they look compelling [01:40:03.440] to me, but like [01:40:04.800] >> you could probably give me some [ __ ] [01:40:06.719] and I would probably think, you know, [01:40:09.600] maybe that looks compelling, too. So I [01:40:11.199] just try to like not even weigh in. [01:40:13.119] >> Let me argue why it’s tip of the spear, [01:40:15.119] okay? Okay. Uh right now, now this [01:40:17.360] should change. This should change, but [01:40:18.719] right now it’s tip of the spear. Cuz [01:40:20.159] man, if you were with me 15 years ago, [01:40:22.159] you one video from the military, are you [01:40:24.400] kidding me? You’d go crazy, man. Um, [01:40:27.119] you’re going to get bad stuff inside [01:40:29.040] these UFO drops from the government, not [01:40:31.440] cuz they’re trying to trick you, but [01:40:32.639] because certain products have been [01:40:35.600] highly evaluated and there’s multi-ensor [01:40:38.080] platforms. Some they can’t show you like [01:40:40.320] with the uh 2019 [01:40:43.119] 100 UAP swarms. Some were pyramid in [01:40:46.159] shape. somewhere somewhere. Look, there [01:40:49.440] are other platforms. So, when you have [01:40:51.040] multi-platform, multi-ensor, some of [01:40:53.360] that’s going to be really good and well [01:40:54.560] thought out and the government should be [01:40:55.840] giving that up to you. But some of it’s [01:40:57.760] going to be like this looked cool. That [01:40:59.760] pilot says that was all crazy and that’s [01:41:01.920] the pilot report. But here’s how we [01:41:04.080] learned the hard way in a good way. [01:41:06.719] Those 46 videos, that’s the tip of the [01:41:08.719] spear. just to begin the process. [01:41:11.920] The last the first trunch of stuff that [01:41:14.320] they put out, George Knapp and I had [01:41:17.119] reported on something called the Baghdad [01:41:18.880] Phantom. We released seven images which [01:41:21.040] were still shots cuz obviously people [01:41:22.880] are leaking [ __ ] So I don’t even we we [01:41:25.360] make it in a way so we could never even [01:41:27.360] know sometimes. But we validate [01:41:29.199] everything. But we put it out, we told [01:41:30.880] people, “Here you go. It’s cold. It’s [01:41:33.600] running through here.” And you’re like, [01:41:35.280] “Cool video, dude.” Right? And all of a [01:41:38.000] sudden it was wasn’t a video. We just [01:41:39.360] stitched together the images. But the [01:41:41.920] process worked. They knew that people [01:41:44.639] knew about that case. So guess what was [01:41:46.560] in that first trunch was the actual [01:41:48.480] video of the Baghdad Phantom. That felt [01:41:51.920] good to me and George cuz they’re like, [01:41:53.199] “Look, we’re pushing transparency.” But [01:41:54.800] what people missed if you look and read [01:41:57.600] through all the documents like a [01:41:58.719] psychopath. There is a mission report of [01:42:01.920] that collection. M. So that’s before it [01:42:04.880] gets into the disinformation arms of the [01:42:06.880] old era because now everything’s going [01:42:09.119] to be thumbs up from what I understand. [01:42:10.719] >> Maybe. [01:42:11.199] >> Maybe. No, I’m just I’m going like this, [01:42:12.560] but we’re going to hold them accountable [01:42:13.679] and they know that we can. They know [01:42:15.119] exactly how we can. So one of those ways [01:42:17.360] is look at the mission report from the [01:42:19.679] Baghdad Phantom. That was supposed to be [01:42:21.520] declassified in 2047. [01:42:26.560] >> Wa. [01:42:27.040] >> Just the mission report. [01:42:28.000] >> Well, that’s cool that that came out. [01:42:29.360] >> It did because what it does [01:42:30.880] >> What does the mission report say? at [01:42:32.880] look at what the pilot said. [01:42:35.040] >> What what what [01:42:35.840] >> it’s very simple. It it just it just [01:42:37.600] shows the process is working before it [01:42:39.840] gets like twisted by um intel agencies [01:42:43.600] like Arrow has been acting like one in [01:42:45.440] the past. Give them maybe future props. [01:42:47.679] Um so so that is what I’m saying is you [01:42:51.199] learn that when you put something out if [01:42:53.440] the pilot report was like, “Oh no, we [01:42:55.280] knew what this was.” Then I would know [01:42:56.880] that wasn’t a UAP. When they label it [01:42:59.360] UAP, when they talk about how it went by [01:43:01.920] them super fast and they tried to keep [01:43:03.520] the camera on it, right, and and they [01:43:06.239] they got as much footage as they could, [01:43:08.000] it reinforces what I said. Central [01:43:10.880] Command has a bottleneck to UAP [01:43:12.800] information before it gets to the people [01:43:14.560] who legally supposed to get to who want [01:43:16.480] the information, even Arrow. So, we [01:43:18.400] informed them about that and about the [01:43:20.320] bottleneck at Sentcom because we found [01:43:22.800] out about it. [01:43:23.520] >> And anything else of note that the pilot [01:43:25.520] said in the back? No, it’s it’s it’s [01:43:27.520] really simple. It’s just anam it’s just [01:43:29.119] an example of of of a mission report [01:43:31.600] that goes with footage that you were [01:43:33.199] told about 3 years prior to it through [01:43:35.199] proper reporting and it should give you [01:43:37.199] confidence confidence that reporting is [01:43:39.199] working and that pushing this way works. [01:43:40.960] >> You you mentioned Arrow under uh Kirk [01:43:44.239] Patrick. It does feel like it was not [01:43:47.040] only like a you know an intel agency or [01:43:49.440] something or a modern project blue book [01:43:51.280] kind of trying to dismiss you know many [01:43:53.199] UFO cases. Uh it seemed even more [01:43:55.440] nefarious than that. It seemed like [01:43:56.719] maybe it was acting as like kind of a [01:43:58.239] fly trap, like it was explicitly uh [01:44:01.760] getting leads on the cases that I’m most [01:44:04.719] familiar with are some of these nuclear [01:44:06.239] cases. Arrow, the people that uh took [01:44:09.520] the testimony from these veterans did [01:44:12.159] not record them. They were told couple [01:44:15.040] of the veterans were told, “Well, we’re [01:44:16.480] taking notes.” Well, if you’re [01:44:17.840] conducting a serious investigation, you [01:44:20.639] you want to tape record every word, [01:44:22.639] every grunt, every syllable. And they [01:44:25.119] did not record any of the interviews [01:44:27.040] according to the veterans [01:44:28.719] >> and they wouldn’t take notes but they [01:44:30.639] would maybe take highle notes about [01:44:32.400] where you know certain evidence would [01:44:34.400] lie and then they might even go and try [01:44:37.199] to find that evidence and destroy it in [01:44:39.040] certain cases. It just seemed like a [01:44:41.360] total limited hangout with ties to UFO [01:44:44.800] legacy program like like the definition [01:44:47.440] of bad actor agency is my sort of rough [01:44:51.520] assessment. But what’s what’s your [01:44:53.520] assessment [01:44:54.400] >> uh for you know for for people that say [01:44:56.159] I don’t answer questions directly here’s [01:44:58.639] a direct answer you are 100% correct it [01:45:02.000] is exactly my assessment and I can back [01:45:04.800] it up and there are a number of way in a [01:45:07.760] court of law [01:45:10.000] was acting as a counterintelligence [01:45:13.520] against the American public to siphon [01:45:17.360] out what people knew and then to be able [01:45:20.719] to clamp down on them. It was a honey [01:45:23.920] trap. It uh was a disinformation [01:45:27.840] campaign. Um Dr. James Latsky [01:45:32.000] even said that on our podcast, Mine and [01:45:34.639] Georgees. [01:45:35.600] >> Uh you know, he he says, “Well, they’re [01:45:37.119] sure acting like it, aren’t they?” or [01:45:38.320] something like that. Uh this is a known [01:45:41.360] thing. Now, I have direct specific [01:45:43.199] knowledge and evidence of exactly how [01:45:45.040] that mechanism worked. Recorded, [01:45:47.760] documented. [01:45:48.560] >> Whoa. [01:45:49.040] >> Oh yeah, bro. Oh, [01:45:50.400] >> so for example, if somebody But there’s [01:45:52.560] a lot of good people that work at Arrow, [01:45:54.080] by the way. Shout out to the good [01:45:55.199] people. I do know some good people that [01:45:57.199] work at Arrow, but it under Dr. Sean [01:46:00.639] Kurpatre all the way up from the NASA [01:46:03.119] people that are sources of mine who have [01:46:05.840] told me what what it’s like in the room [01:46:07.280] with him, what he tried to do. [01:46:08.880] >> Yeah. [01:46:09.440] >> To the direct harassment [01:46:14.320] of witnesses. Not I’m not talking about [01:46:16.560] dismissal. I’m talking about harassment [01:46:19.119] threats. And I’m not I’m not sure how to [01:46:20.719] go far to go right now, but imagine it’s [01:46:23.440] recorded. [01:46:25.679] So recorded. So in the court of law, I [01:46:29.920] could prove that Arrow was intimidating [01:46:33.840] and harassing [01:46:36.480] whistleblowers. [01:46:38.800] And [01:46:39.679] >> it’s wild. [01:46:40.400] >> Yeah, man. So [ __ ] them. Sorry. In that [01:46:43.280] in that old version. Now I hear that um [01:46:46.000] Dr. Klovski. [01:46:47.920] >> Everybody I know that knows him [01:46:49.360] professionally before he was in that [01:46:51.040] role. [01:46:51.840] >> Yeah. [01:46:52.320] >> My job is to have sources everywhere, [01:46:53.840] right? [01:46:54.080] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do they say about [01:46:55.679] before? [01:46:56.080] >> He’s a great guy. [01:46:56.880] >> Okay. I’ve heard similar [01:46:58.000] >> He’s an honest guy. [01:46:58.800] >> Yeah. Yeah. [01:47:00.159] >> Now he is in Project Blue Box. It’s the [01:47:03.119] modern version. Much more sophisticated. [01:47:05.280] The battlefield is is cyber. The [01:47:07.600] battlefield is social media. It’s PR. [01:47:09.840] Notice what he asked for when he went up [01:47:11.840] the last thing with Juland. All he asked [01:47:13.679] for wasn’t more money. He asked for [01:47:16.000] public trust because he realized coming [01:47:18.960] into that job, poor guy, after it was [01:47:21.679] just kind of [ __ ] on by Kurpatre and [01:47:24.400] [ __ ] on by Tim Phillips, [01:47:27.600] right? Coming after whistleblowers [01:47:30.000] publicly on like LinkedIn when are you [01:47:33.600] kidding me? Is that in your job [01:47:35.199] description? Project Blue Box. Dude, it [01:47:37.760] is worse than Project Blue book. A book [01:47:39.520] you can open a box. How do you get in? [01:47:41.280] and and it and it’s it’s so bad. It’s so [01:47:45.040] bad because it’s you can literally tie [01:47:47.840] its inception to legacy programs. So [01:47:50.320] Kirk Patrick was at SIC if you study UFO [01:47:54.000] legacy programs, SEIC is all over that [01:47:56.400] stuff. Ronald Moltry who is office of, [01:47:58.960] you know, under secretary of defense had [01:48:01.119] Battel on his uh resume and scrubbed it. [01:48:04.480] If you again study anything about UFOs, [01:48:06.800] in fact, you can even go back to the [01:48:07.920] pentacle memo at the inception of Blue [01:48:10.639] Book and Battel was behind the scenes [01:48:13.679] doing sort of, you know, the more real [01:48:16.239] stuff while Blue Book was kind of doing [01:48:18.320] the front-facing things. Um, so, you [01:48:20.480] know, definitely legacy stuff going on [01:48:22.080] there. It’s obviously, you know, very [01:48:23.520] close to right Pat. Uh, you know, Ohio [01:48:25.679] State, a lot of interesting stuff [01:48:27.520] happening in that sort of nexus. So it’s [01:48:30.880] it’s people where you don’t Glen Gaffne [01:48:33.520] is on the board of Glenn Glenn Gaffne [01:48:36.320] who’s director of science and technology [01:48:37.840] the CIA who’s blocking the UFO transfer [01:48:40.960] between Loheed and and Bigalow which we [01:48:43.040] just discussed with Latsky. So you have [01:48:45.679] three people who like [01:48:46.719] >> the guy that George Knap said his name [01:48:48.400] with his hand raised in Congress Glen [01:48:50.880] Gaffne in the transfer of a non-human [01:48:54.400] intelligence craft. [01:48:55.280] >> I have a name for you. Go ahead. Glenn [01:48:57.760] Gaffne, CIA. [01:49:00.000] >> So, those are the three people who are [01:49:02.880] supposed to be helping we, the American [01:49:05.440] public, make sense of UFOs, [01:49:07.679] congressionally mandated. [01:49:09.440] >> It’s crazy, dude. Bro, I’m so glad you [01:49:12.080] you’re tracking all this because the [01:49:14.159] average person is not and not everybody [01:49:16.560] can track all that. So like um [01:49:21.360] putting that out in a digestible way, [01:49:23.840] explaining that to people that there is [01:49:26.560] a generational [01:49:29.760] pattern of relationship just like you [01:49:32.320] would have in any organization or agency [01:49:34.320] or group of people cabal you know I [01:49:37.840] don’t know the word like Edgar Mitchell [01:49:39.520] said like a group a secret group of [01:49:41.119] people [01:49:41.440] >> is that what he told you is he said a [01:49:43.199] secret group of people cuz I know you [01:49:44.639] you interacted with Edgar Mitchell the [01:49:46.560] sixth man to walk on the six men to walk [01:49:48.400] on the moon. Uh allegedly some people [01:49:50.480] would say um he uh I don’t want to get [01:49:52.800] into that. He um [01:49:54.159] >> neither here nor there. [01:49:55.840] >> He absolutely in the film you see there [01:49:59.360] was the last filmed interview before he [01:50:01.679] died from what I understand at this [01:50:03.600] time. [01:50:04.480] >> Um spent many days with him and he was [01:50:06.880] very clear with me. He really let me in. [01:50:09.040] He knew that time was ticking. We became [01:50:12.239] friends. He he lived for a little while [01:50:13.840] after, but that was like the only filmed [01:50:16.400] like, you know, cameras in his home kind [01:50:18.239] of interview before he died. I lived [01:50:20.560] lived longer, but then um we we got down [01:50:24.000] to brass tax and yes, that’s that’s [01:50:28.000] exactly what he said. He told me who he [01:50:29.760] talked with. I knew about the Wilson [01:50:31.840] Davis thing long before. [01:50:34.080] >> Wild. Of course, you know, the things [01:50:36.639] that George and I can’t say, [01:50:38.480] >> you know, um, look, man, [01:50:42.880] >> there’s a I wish it was organized. There [01:50:46.400] are groups of people holding information [01:50:48.080] back from me for no good [ __ ] reason. [01:50:50.400] And um, the idea is, how do we get it [01:50:52.239] out? We can’t take it. [01:50:53.920] >> But Mitchell talked about some sort of [01:50:55.360] cabal, some sort of closely knit. [01:50:57.600] >> Interesting. [01:50:58.400] >> Yes, he did. But but not that he knew [01:51:00.400] everything. [01:51:01.040] >> Sure. And I didn’t dodge your side [01:51:04.080] question. We should get back to that for [01:51:05.360] your audience, right? But um yeah, Dr. [01:51:07.920] Mitchell talked about how cuz look, six [01:51:10.960] man to walk on the moon. People want to [01:51:12.960] talk with you. Born in Roswell, New [01:51:14.480] Mexico, bro. Right. [01:51:15.920] >> Yeah. [01:51:16.320] >> He behind the scenes um and in front of [01:51:19.600] the scenes tried to be an advocate for [01:51:21.840] truth and transparency on this cuz he [01:51:23.600] knew it was true. The whole enchilada. [01:51:26.159] It’s so interesting to me the dynamic [01:51:28.400] around this whole topic is you have [01:51:30.880] people like Edgar Mitchell, you have [01:51:32.960] Warner von Braonn at the end of his life [01:51:35.440] talking to Carolyn Rosen his his [01:51:37.920] >> text me sometime. [01:51:38.719] >> Oh, amazing. [01:51:39.679] >> She’s cool. and he’s talking about some [01:51:41.840] planned alien invasion and then you I [01:51:44.080] feel like you have modern equivalents of [01:51:45.840] them where it’s like guys who are really [01:51:48.000] well respected in their agencies or you [01:51:50.480] know with their past credentials people [01:51:52.080] like Latsky or Hal Putoff [01:51:54.960] but those guy everybody I just mentioned [01:51:58.000] considers themselves an outsider. [01:52:00.400] >> Yes. And that’s interesting about this [01:52:02.719] whole topic [01:52:03.840] >> because you have guys who are have very [01:52:06.880] high security clearances who can, you [01:52:09.199] know, walk into all these places like no [01:52:11.920] questions asked. [01:52:12.719] >> Bigot list. [01:52:14.000] >> Yeah. [01:52:14.480] >> No, there’s bigot lists. [01:52:16.080] >> Okay. [01:52:17.199] >> You have to So yeah, [01:52:19.520] >> it doesn’t matter your clearance. It’s [01:52:22.080] need to know. [01:52:23.360] >> It’s very simple. [01:52:24.800] >> There are bigot lists. That’s what [01:52:26.560] happened. Um, [01:52:27.920] >> but there’s a cabal that’s deeper than [01:52:29.760] Warner von. Like I think of Warner von [01:52:31.280] Braonn as like he got to be part of [01:52:32.960] >> No, but he’s not he’s on the inside of [01:52:34.800] what he needed to know like how Bob was [01:52:36.960] on Power and Propulsion, you know, with [01:52:39.199] Project Galileo. [01:52:40.880] >> Um, but worse, you you you have [01:52:47.199] I hope there is a cabal that is planning [01:52:51.679] how to do this, right? I don’t think so [01:52:53.599] cuz everything’s been provoked and [01:52:55.599] forced. But uh yes, all these people you [01:52:59.760] know that you would imagine like how put [01:53:01.760] off maybe he also just can’t tell you [01:53:03.440] certain things which I know for a fact [01:53:05.440] >> like you know [01:53:06.000] >> I know there’s a lot he probably [01:53:07.119] >> for example somebody you know [01:53:09.920] >> and you might know this but somebody you [01:53:11.440] know worked on a [01:53:14.960] laser weapon system from a downed [01:53:18.080] Russian NHI [01:53:20.639] spaceship. someone you know. Have they [01:53:23.920] told you that? [01:53:25.119] >> Nope. [01:53:26.320] >> You just saying that because you’re on [01:53:27.360] camera? [01:53:27.840] >> No, I really don’t know who you’re [01:53:29.840] talking about. [01:53:30.480] >> Okay. [01:53:31.040] >> So, somebody I’m extremely curious. [01:53:33.119] >> Somebody you know [01:53:33.840] >> Yeah. [01:53:34.159] >> worked on the reverse engineering [01:53:35.760] >> Yeah. [01:53:36.239] >> of a laser weapon system. [01:53:38.400] >> Yeah. [01:53:38.880] >> From a downed Russian asset. [01:53:42.159] >> NHS. [01:53:42.880] >> Last name start with D. [01:53:44.239] >> We’re not playing that game in front of [01:53:45.440] the camera. I’m I’m trying to get [01:53:47.440] >> Well, there’s one person who said [01:53:48.960] something along those lines in a [01:53:51.280] documentary. [01:53:51.760] >> You’re an investigator, bro. Okay, here [01:53:53.599] here’s the deal. [01:53:55.040] >> What I’m saying to you is that even if [01:53:57.119] they wanted to, [01:53:58.159] >> yeah, [01:53:58.560] >> they can’t tell you how much they know. [01:54:00.239] Now, are they in this cabal planning [01:54:01.760] [ __ ] Oh, [ __ ] no. Who those people are [01:54:04.239] highest highest up on the food chain? [01:54:05.920] All I found is the cabala people who [01:54:07.679] want you not to know, not the people [01:54:09.599] that do know. [01:54:11.040] >> Did you really hear what I just said? [01:54:12.800] Because that’s important. I I found the [01:54:14.560] people that want you not to know [01:54:18.320] >> but not the people that do know [01:54:21.199] >> the full thing. [01:54:22.159] >> Yes. [01:54:22.560] >> I don’t know that anybody does. [01:54:24.080] >> Yeah. [01:54:24.880] >> I I I don’t know. [01:54:26.080] >> Blind men touching different parts of an [01:54:27.679] elephant. [01:54:28.159] >> There we go. I I can relate to that. The [01:54:29.920] parable. Yes. Something like that. So [01:54:32.000] the question is [01:54:32.560] >> that’s apparently what General Neil [01:54:33.760] McCasslin told Tom Dong. It’s in [01:54:36.239] >> secret. That was an op because no [01:54:37.840] general like that by the way. Um he’s a [01:54:40.320] boomer. Okay. I’ve learned what that [01:54:41.840] word means now. I had to look it up, [01:54:43.520] which I’m not ashamed of. It’s a cool [01:54:45.040] word, boomer. Um, basically, [01:54:49.360] anybody from that [01:54:51.920] era of national defense will never Do [01:54:57.440] you think he sits back and listens to [01:54:58.880] Blink 182? Do you think that guy, [01:55:00.639] honestly, on his free time, do you think [01:55:01.840] he ever been to a concert? [01:55:02.880] >> I don’t know. [01:55:03.440] >> Why is he talking to Tom? Right. Um, [01:55:05.440] love Tom did some amazing stuff, you [01:55:07.280] know, he pushed this forward, you know. [01:55:09.040] Good for Tom. So I I really [01:55:11.199] >> I’m a huge fan of his. I think he’s [01:55:12.719] awesome. [01:55:13.040] >> His music too. Yes. I [01:55:14.480] >> And and as a person and as a person I [01:55:16.719] think he’s [01:55:17.199] >> No, dude. [01:55:17.840] >> I think he gets a lot he gets a bad rap [01:55:20.560] sometimes. Vigilante like really helped [01:55:24.560] get a lot, you know, shake the tree down [01:55:26.400] and get a lot of [01:55:27.440] >> Let’s make this clear. [01:55:28.480] >> Yeah. [01:55:28.880] >> Tom Dong is Yes, he’s a rock star, but [01:55:30.960] that’s a tiny little piece of who he is. [01:55:33.119] He is like you. He is curious. He is [01:55:35.520] fascinated. He called me back in the day [01:55:37.599] before he was ever. [01:55:38.480] >> He’s genuinely fascinated. [01:55:39.840] >> Genuinely, he used to read all the books [01:55:41.599] with the blink thing and he he George is [01:55:44.400] always making me get on calls with [01:55:45.599] people and I don’t know who they are and [01:55:46.880] he really want to talk to him. The I [01:55:48.880] remember this call driving home from [01:55:50.239] Vegas from uh right after I kind of got [01:55:52.239] to know um some somebody else, but I’m [01:55:56.159] driving back and Tom calls me. He’s not [01:55:58.960] like in the UFO world in any way at this [01:56:01.679] time and he’s just talking to me. He [01:56:04.560] knew so much about the UFO thing. So [01:56:07.040] people put him in as like, oh, this [01:56:08.719] rockstar and blah blah blah. That’s not [01:56:10.159] what I’m saying. I’m not saying they [01:56:11.040] wouldn’t talk to him because he’s a [01:56:11.840] rockstar, dude. He trained with George [01:56:13.679] Knapp on like how to make his approach, [01:56:15.360] what the pitch is, how to use his face [01:56:16.800] and his fame to get in there, you know? [01:56:18.639] He got into like a locky little schware. [01:56:21.119] Tom [ __ ] did it, dude. He pushed in. [01:56:23.920] He got through. He went for it. He [01:56:25.920] became proactive instead of being a [01:56:27.760] consumer. He was a consumer for years [01:56:29.599] like all of us reading books. He did [01:56:31.599] that, man. and he gets a bad rap because [01:56:33.920] people jealous they weren’t in that room [01:56:35.520] with Tom or they weren’t in this with [01:56:37.040] Tom. Dude, he’s a good dude and he’s [01:56:40.239] super knowledgeable on the UAP thing. [01:56:42.320] Um, but when I said it was an OB, this [01:56:44.400] is important to me. The distinction of [01:56:46.320] that. [01:56:47.599] >> So, George’s helping to sharpen the [01:56:50.880] pitch of Tom and hooking him up with [01:56:53.199] some people people don’t know about was, [01:56:57.119] look, you got a bad rap. You’ve had to [01:57:00.480] keep this secret and that’s going to [01:57:02.800] change. So you need to look like the [01:57:05.599] good guys because you are good guys. You [01:57:07.440] were just protecting America but now [01:57:08.719] it’s gone too far. It was something like [01:57:10.400] that [01:57:11.040] >> in a Wikileaks email. Yeah. [01:57:12.639] >> Oh well. Okay. Yeah. So So okay. So wow. [01:57:16.800] So what happens then is you got this [01:57:20.800] boomer. Now do you think when I say it’s [01:57:23.520] part of an op, but I’m not saying it’s [01:57:25.280] bad. I’ll explain the op. But do you [01:57:28.400] think someone like that charged with [01:57:30.719] protecting our national security, which [01:57:32.480] by the way, he’s [ __ ] missing right [01:57:34.159] now? [01:57:34.480] >> I know. [01:57:36.159] >> That’s interesting. If that was like [01:57:38.080] Russia or China and they got him alive [01:57:39.599] somewhere, what does he know that they [01:57:41.520] want? Not UFO related. [01:57:43.679] >> What if it’s some rogue element of the [01:57:45.360] program? [01:57:45.920] >> Well, so that would be really sad. [01:57:47.920] >> Mhm. [01:57:48.400] >> And that would be really [ __ ] [01:57:50.080] >> Mhm. [01:57:51.280] >> So I have trouble believing it’s an [01:57:54.400] adversary. [01:57:55.920] I’m just saying all options on the table [01:57:57.440] because we don’t know. But what’s the [01:57:58.960] op? So a guy like that, [01:58:00.719] >> yeah, [01:58:01.040] >> he ain’t going to talk to Tom Dong. He [01:58:03.599] doesn’t listen to his music. He’s a [01:58:04.639] boomer and he and he has this oath like [01:58:06.480] Latsky. You think Latsky be calling up [01:58:09.040] rock stars talking? No, no, no. So when [01:58:12.159] I say op, it’s not a bad thing. That was [01:58:14.880] an operation. Meaning there were people [01:58:17.760] trying to get [ __ ] out. Now not all of [01:58:19.520] it is true. And don’t be one of those [01:58:21.360] people that believes everything just [01:58:22.480] because someone gives you one good piece [01:58:23.840] of information. So, if you look at that [01:58:26.639] and if I look at history, here’s what I [01:58:28.800] would think. Here’s my putting on a [01:58:31.040] little um theoretical hat. I’m thinking [01:58:35.760] that Hillary Clinton thought that she [01:58:38.960] was going to be president. And I think [01:58:42.639] that certain people knew that the [01:58:45.520] information was dying and that we needed [01:58:48.239] bright minds, just a little bit. We just [01:58:50.000] need a little bit of knowledge out [01:58:51.280] there. Or maybe she thought she’d be [01:58:53.119] disclosure president because her husband [01:58:54.719] really tried until they crushed down [01:58:56.719] Webster Hubble after asking look back at [01:58:59.679] your history. So Clinton tried maybe she [01:59:03.520] could be the disclosure president. Okay. [01:59:05.599] How do we pave the way? You do an OB, [01:59:08.000] right? [01:59:08.800] >> You not not negative like actual [01:59:11.920] information authorized from the White [01:59:14.400] House. People in the White House now you [01:59:16.480] can start seeding because when come time [01:59:19.679] because I’m going to win. She thought [01:59:21.599] everybody thought [01:59:23.040] >> Everybody thought there was no way this [01:59:25.280] guy Donald J. Trump could become [01:59:26.639] president. Remember that? [01:59:27.840] >> Oh yeah. [01:59:28.320] >> People thought that, right? Or I’m not a [01:59:29.599] political person, but I remember people [01:59:30.960] saying that. [01:59:31.360] >> No, it was he was a complete sleeper. [01:59:32.880] >> There was no way. [01:59:33.920] >> Yeah. Yeah. [01:59:34.320] >> Okay. That’s what they’re telling me. So [01:59:35.840] basically this guy McCasten, one of many [01:59:39.040] that Tom was um talking to. Obviously, [01:59:43.040] Wikileaks you mentioned. [01:59:46.159] >> Okay. So then what happens? Wow. [01:59:50.239] Shocker. She’s not president. So, what [01:59:53.119] happens to everybody that was part of [01:59:54.800] that? What happens to everybody that was [01:59:57.119] prepping the battlefield for disclosure, [02:00:01.040] which we all want as long as it’s true [02:00:03.119] what they tell us and not a fear [02:00:06.560] campaign, [02:00:08.159] right? So, if it’s truth, [02:00:11.199] what do they do? What do all these [02:00:13.040] people do now that that didn’t work? You [02:00:16.400] got to you got to pivot. You got to [02:00:18.560] change. And and we’re starting to see we [02:00:20.080] we’ve seen that if you’ve been paying [02:00:21.280] attention. Who are those people? Good [02:00:23.280] people? Bad people? [02:00:24.400] >> What do they want? [02:00:25.679] >> I think good people. [02:00:26.880] >> Well, there was definitely a a threat [02:00:28.480] narrative that came out of, you know, [02:00:31.199] elements of of that group that was very [02:00:33.760] it was very like, you know, they’re [02:00:35.280] prepping the battle space, you know, [02:00:36.960] they’re they’re doing recon, they’re [02:00:38.560] looking at us, and [02:00:40.080] >> I’ve always had an issue with that [02:00:41.679] narrative in particular. I think it’s [02:00:43.760] sort of I think anyone that says they’re [02:00:46.159] only good or they’re only bad is so [02:00:48.560] ridiculous. [02:00:49.199] >> Yes. I absolutely, you know. Yeah. And [02:00:52.400] can you trust them? So if like a ET [02:00:55.199] comes to you and says, I come in peace. [02:00:58.560] You’re going to destroy the world with [02:00:59.920] your technology, you know, spread the [02:01:02.480] word. We’re [02:01:04.320] >> you can’t take anything at face value in [02:01:06.159] either direction. [02:01:07.040] >> Like with that with with any human, the [02:01:09.199] words don’t matter. [02:01:10.400] >> That’s right. [02:01:10.800] >> It’s the action. And if somebody speaks [02:01:12.880] in absolutes about intent on either [02:01:15.360] side, I don’t trust them. I’m like, [02:01:17.199] because you’re an individual and every [02:01:19.040] individual has different intent. And why [02:01:20.400] would it be different? But we can [02:01:22.320] organize. So let’s look at the fact. The [02:01:24.400] fact is they’ve turned on nukes. They’ve [02:01:26.080] turned off nukes. They didn’t stop [02:01:27.360] Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They’ve [02:01:29.360] constantly been watching. Call them the [02:01:31.280] watchers, right? They’ve been watching [02:01:33.280] for what seems like the beginning of a [02:01:35.040] quarter of human history. Whoever they [02:01:36.400] are, is it one group? Is it two groups? [02:01:38.560] >> Actions or [02:01:39.599] >> who freaking knows? Are they angry at [02:01:42.080] each other? Are we a commodity? Are they [02:01:44.080] protecting us? Fact is, they haven’t [02:01:46.719] like neutralized everybody’s brain where [02:01:48.639] you’re walking around like a robot. [02:01:50.400] Right. So, that we know of. [02:01:51.599] >> That we know of. Yeah. [02:01:52.880] >> We know of. [02:01:53.840] >> I know a few robots, but uh [02:01:55.920] >> so the threat narrative, let me hit that [02:01:57.679] on the head with you. [02:01:58.719] >> Yeah. [02:01:59.440] >> Oh, me too. I think it’s [ __ ] [02:02:01.360] ridiculous because if you talk to people [02:02:04.000] that actually had interactions, it’s [02:02:06.400] like a mixed bag. Some people it’s like [02:02:08.560] the greatest thing in their life. other [02:02:09.920] people is terrifying. Totally. [02:02:11.520] >> Like patient 17 terrifying. He didn’t [02:02:13.440] tell me that till after I saw it got cut [02:02:15.119] out of his leg. Um [02:02:16.719] >> this this is a guy with an implant. [02:02:18.639] >> They called it an implant. I had it [02:02:20.320] isotopically analyzed for zinc 64 one [02:02:22.880] time and they wouldn’t give me it back. [02:02:24.159] I talked to Jacques Valet, showed him [02:02:25.760] the results. It was way beyond the scope [02:02:27.280] of terrestrial zinc 64 isotopically. I’m [02:02:30.159] not a [ __ ] scientist. [02:02:31.360] >> But it had isotope ratios that you’d [02:02:33.040] never find on Earth. And Roger Lear took [02:02:35.840] this out of this patient. [02:02:37.199] >> Yes. [02:02:37.599] >> This was his last patient. We can get to [02:02:38.960] page 17. Threat narrative. This is for [02:02:40.719] you. I’m talking to you. I don’t give a [02:02:42.159] [ __ ] about this. Right. [02:02:43.599] >> I agree with you. [02:02:45.040] >> Here’s the thing. [02:02:46.400] >> Why? Why do they have that narrative? [02:02:48.480] Don’t look at them like bad folks. Like, [02:02:50.719] why? I think it’s probably some sort of [02:02:53.040] armaments build up in space and, you [02:02:55.840] know, things of that nature. [02:02:56.719] >> You’re a deeper thinker than me. All I’m [02:02:58.719] thinking is it’s their [ __ ] job. [02:03:01.679] >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. When when you’re a [02:03:02.880] hammer, everything looks like a nail. [02:03:04.480] That’s it. So all these people are [02:03:07.119] coming from a military intelligence [02:03:10.639] national defense standpoint. They have [02:03:14.000] to think about it. It’s in their blood [02:03:15.360] to think about it. But I would I would [02:03:17.280] just say one I would add one thing to [02:03:19.360] what you just said which is I agree with [02:03:20.880] that and then it’s like why now as well? [02:03:23.280] So like there’s some sort of ramp up in [02:03:25.199] the threat narrative. Well, [02:03:27.520] >> it seemed like around that time. And so [02:03:31.040] maybe it’s because we’re in a nuclear [02:03:32.880] multipolar world, but like the the the [02:03:35.440] nuclear thing had been happening since [02:03:36.960] the, you know, ’ 50s, ’60s, ‘7s, the [02:03:38.800] tampering with the nukes and stuff. So [02:03:40.400] like the the the the going public about [02:03:43.599] this could be a threat seemed to start [02:03:45.760] at that time. I don’t know why. [02:03:47.040] >> Okay, but so that is fact. So but let’s [02:03:49.679] play that out. Yeah. [02:03:51.040] >> Is that because [02:03:53.199] um there is a threat in their minds that [02:03:57.440] um [02:03:57.920] >> yeah it could be it could be genuine on [02:03:59.760] their they they could really believe [02:04:00.960] it’s [02:04:01.360] >> I suspected I don’t feel like they’re [02:04:04.159] trying to make um humanity scared of it [02:04:07.599] like on the big scale. That’s not the [02:04:09.760] big message I’m getting from all of this [02:04:12.239] movement. It it for me it’s more of [02:04:14.320] curiosity. Let’s say they did that. [02:04:16.560] Let’s say that there it’s an operation [02:04:18.560] to control people. That’s ultimately [02:04:20.320] what you’re saying is that I think you [02:04:22.320] correct me if I’m wrong. [02:04:23.360] >> No, I’m not even going that far. I think [02:04:24.960] it’s possible. Um, [02:04:27.040] >> anything’s possible. [02:04:28.000] >> Anything is possible. And I What’s that [02:04:30.239] >> with this? Yeah, [02:04:30.960] >> with this I think it’s a smoke screen. I [02:04:32.880] think it’s a roar shock test and I think [02:04:35.040] it could get used for blue beam style [02:04:38.719] stuff. It, you know, religious [02:04:40.560] awakening. It could get used to clamp [02:04:42.400] down and then it could be extremely uh [02:04:44.639] libertarian and subversive of any kind [02:04:47.280] of institutional author authority [02:04:49.679] structures and so it has this infinite [02:04:52.320] superp position of possibilities [02:04:54.000] attached to it and I do think people are [02:04:56.400] trying to manage the narrative. I think [02:04:58.719] they’re trying to manage the narrative [02:04:59.920] and shape the narrative less than some [02:05:03.119] of the people I meet on like you know [02:05:05.520] Reddit forums or whatever think they [02:05:08.080] are. Like you meet these people and [02:05:09.840] they’re like just earnestly into it and [02:05:11.920] maybe they’ve been socialized in certain [02:05:14.000] spheres to believe certain things and [02:05:16.000] that shapes their belief in implicit [02:05:17.520] ways but they’re less sort of you know [02:05:20.000] bad actors I think than some of the [02:05:22.159] people on the internet think you know [02:05:24.000] >> that’s for [ __ ] sure. Um, but yeah, you [02:05:26.880] know, look, I mean, we just listed a [02:05:28.480] bunch of bad actors, but it’s it’s like [02:05:31.040] there are bad actors, but it’s it’s not [02:05:33.679] it’s not everyone. And it’s I find it [02:05:36.000] interesting there’s there’s a certain [02:05:37.679] type of person who’s it’s like they’re [02:05:40.239] so they’re rail they’re angry and [02:05:42.159] they’re railing against the control [02:05:43.920] system around UFOs. Like it’s like this [02:05:45.840] parasychological control system around [02:05:48.000] this whole topic. And my second order [02:05:51.119] thought is always if if you’re spending [02:05:53.840] all your time so angry at this, you’re [02:05:55.840] probably part of the control system. [02:05:58.000] You’re probably falling prey to it. [02:05:59.520] Well, I not only falling prey, but you [02:06:02.239] are allowed to run psychological [02:06:04.880] campaigns of disinformation on the [02:06:06.880] American public as Americans. That is [02:06:08.800] legal. That is law. You’re allowed to do [02:06:11.040] that that night opposite. Is that true? [02:06:12.800] >> That’s what that’s from my [02:06:14.239] understanding. Like Google that [ __ ] [02:06:16.239] look it up. But from the Obama era, the [02:06:18.960] idea of protective programs and being [02:06:22.159] able to seed American news, look, we’ve [02:06:25.599] been doing it anyway. [02:06:26.159] >> That’s interest. Did it start it became [02:06:28.159] legalized somehow under Obama? [02:06:29.760] >> That’s what smarter people, legal [02:06:31.280] scholars that fascinating. I I I don’t [02:06:33.520] know if that is accurate. So, I’m not a [02:06:35.360] legal scholar. But that makes me that [02:06:37.280] makes me wonder about some of the UFO [02:06:40.239] related narratives that popped up around [02:06:42.239] that time as maybe because maybe it was [02:06:44.960] on the backs somewhat of [02:06:47.360] >> you know well fact check the Obama law [02:06:49.760] change or whatever. So fact check me on [02:06:52.000] that. That is my understanding, right? [02:06:54.239] This propaganda, the idea, right, that [02:06:56.880] we’re allowed to deceive the American [02:06:59.360] public for protective programs, right? [02:07:02.079] Like that is 100% legal. And now the new [02:07:05.440] terrain is all digital because that is [02:07:07.760] the way that we consume information. So [02:07:10.159] the real battlefield is the battlefield [02:07:12.639] of of freedom of thought. And that [02:07:14.719] occurs on social media, in news, um in [02:07:18.880] all media that is consumed. And they’ve [02:07:20.560] gotten very very savvy to the point [02:07:22.639] where you if I mean it’s so easy like if [02:07:25.360] you get a AI to look at the repeated [02:07:27.840] words and the timing in which people [02:07:29.840] post and when they created their [02:07:31.119] accounts dude I’ve got a whole list of [02:07:32.880] people everybody says I should block [02:07:35.040] because it’s an organized attempt to [02:07:37.360] take a single post I I had to say and [02:07:40.000] then you know diminish it and make um me [02:07:43.280] less credible. So that that that world [02:07:46.880] exists. [02:07:47.520] >> Oh yeah. and it’s called shaping the [02:07:50.079] emerging UAP narrative. And why I’ve [02:07:51.599] said that now for the 400th time on [02:07:53.599] camera is because I was exposed to a CIA [02:07:56.560] document that gave the mandate. The [02:07:59.119] mandate was to shape the emerging UAP [02:08:01.440] narrative which I thought was so [02:08:02.800] interesting. Not control, not stop, [02:08:05.599] shape it. That’s wild. [02:08:06.719] >> As if they know this narrative is [02:08:09.280] emerging. So how do we shape it? And [02:08:11.599] I’ll tell you there is a news source. [02:08:12.960] >> Was there anything specific about how [02:08:14.400] they were shaping it? In what direction? [02:08:16.320] So the documents that I was um I am [02:08:19.040] familiar with. [02:08:20.000] >> Yeah. [02:08:22.000] >> Are CIA documents [02:08:23.599] >> Yeah. [02:08:24.639] >> I reported those to FBI with George [02:08:29.199] because it is illegal. [02:08:32.880] What what they started saying in it is [02:08:36.159] Commander Fraver misidentified [02:08:39.760] his instrumentation. And I was thinking [02:08:42.800] it’s picked up on radar [ __ ] [02:08:44.239] How the hell do he saw it with his eye? [02:08:46.400] What are you talking about? There were [02:08:47.599] five other sets of eyes up there. So I [02:08:49.520] started thinking about as I’m exposed to [02:08:51.520] this like is this document real? First [02:08:53.199] of all, I was just exposed to it. I [02:08:55.679] don’t know how better to say it here [02:08:56.800] legally. I was exposed to it. Never had [02:08:58.719] possession of it. Don’t have it. Was [02:09:00.159] exposed to it. How I validated that [02:09:02.480] document was through DOJ. [02:09:05.760] So this document was talking about [02:09:10.000] shaping the emerging UAP narrative. I [02:09:13.360] will tell you this. [02:09:15.280] There is a news publication that popped [02:09:18.639] up right around the Lazar movie coming [02:09:22.400] out era and I saw them grasp the ground [02:09:28.239] and the terrain [02:09:30.320] that is a CIA stood up [02:09:35.840] media source and they were trying to say [02:09:38.079] oh is there a real this like this is [02:09:40.159] like an outlet that exists. It’s an [02:09:41.840] online publication [02:09:43.599] >> and you know the name and it’s like a [02:09:44.960] thing. [02:09:45.119] >> Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. [02:09:46.880] >> Can you hear Can you say or what the [02:09:48.400] name? [02:09:48.560] >> I’ll talk I’ll talk to you in person [02:09:49.760] about it, but like I I think I think I [02:09:51.520] want the world to to think [02:09:53.520] >> and question [02:09:54.960] >> and then review. I gave you enough [02:09:57.440] information now to know [02:09:59.199] >> that is a CIA stood up media outlet. [02:10:02.880] >> Okay. So, what are the clues? It was [02:10:04.320] popped up around [02:10:05.199] >> around the Lazar time. Yeah. One of the [02:10:07.679] best um [02:10:10.159] Yeah. around the Lazar time. I’ll get [02:10:11.920] maybe I’ll I’ll text you more specific. [02:10:13.599] We’ll put some images in and just [02:10:14.960] [ __ ] blast them out. But there’s a [02:10:16.639] bunch of people that work for it that [02:10:18.079] are good people. They have no [ __ ] [02:10:19.520] idea. They’re literally just getting a [02:10:21.199] job. But you’d have to kind of operate [02:10:23.440] this from overseas is another hint, [02:10:25.599] right? Um on this publication and [02:10:28.639] >> are they UFO specific or no? [02:10:30.320] >> So that’s what’s funny is um yes and no. [02:10:33.440] like there’s other really good articles [02:10:35.280] and writers and there’s like great valid [02:10:37.360] stories, but when you need something [02:10:38.960] seated into the media as CIA, it’s great [02:10:44.400] to have a bunch of people working for [02:10:46.480] this and then any story that comes down [02:10:48.400] from the king, you put in and you know [02:10:50.639] exactly which writers to talk, you know, [02:10:52.719] to talk to to seed them some very [02:10:54.639] special information that is breaking [02:10:56.239] news. It’s so classic textbook CIA. We [02:11:00.000] go back to, you know, even um I heard [02:11:02.800] that a lot of the journalists, you know, [02:11:04.639] were on payroll. We we’ve got their [02:11:06.480] names now and what they were paid and [02:11:08.000] all this stuff all the way down to [02:11:09.840] people you really trusted back in the [02:11:11.520] 60s. [02:11:12.239] >> Whoa. [02:11:12.719] >> Right. I think Operation Mockingbird. I [02:11:14.880] >> think this is public knowledge, right? [02:11:16.480] So if [02:11:17.280] >> this I think I might know what [02:11:18.639] publication you’re talking about. [02:11:19.520] >> So if they can’t buy you [02:11:21.920] >> Yeah. [02:11:22.400] >> If they can’t seduce, I’ll use that word [02:11:24.880] like seduction, whatever that means, [02:11:26.960] like you know, something alluring. If [02:11:29.040] they don’t have a blackmail on you and [02:11:32.400] then they try and can’t get you to bite [02:11:34.800] on that blackmail, then they’re kind of [02:11:37.040] running out of options. So, what can [02:11:38.400] they do? They can start to diminish your [02:11:41.360] public profile [02:11:43.679] >> and they can threaten you. [02:11:46.079] >> And that’s the way you control somebody. [02:11:49.520] Now, they’re not trying to stop people [02:11:52.239] who have loud voices because you’re [02:11:55.599] useful. These are intelligence [02:11:57.280] operations, right? you’re they’re you’re [02:11:59.599] useful to them if they can get one of [02:12:02.239] those five things I just mentioned to [02:12:04.560] shape what you’re saying. And that’s [02:12:06.560] what’s so dangerous. I mean, you got to [02:12:08.639] be squeaky clean, watch your back, you [02:12:10.960] got to document everything. When Chuck [02:12:13.119] McCulla says in my movie, not my movie, [02:12:16.079] Michael Lzovsk’s movie, I gave him 20 [02:12:18.639] years of footage. He made it. And to my [02:12:21.040] chagrin, if that’s the right word, like [02:12:22.560] I had to ask my whole family like, is it [02:12:24.239] okay? Can I show the dog? You know, he [02:12:26.400] wants to do this. It should be [02:12:27.520] protection. He’s saying it’s protection. [02:12:29.520] Um, so what what my point is, what are [02:12:32.880] they what are they doing by shaping the [02:12:35.599] narrative that’s already emerging? [02:12:38.159] Is it sinister? Is it what Jesse Michael [02:12:40.800] said right now? Is it to create a level [02:12:43.520] of control and threat so everybody goes, [02:12:45.280] “Oh god, big daddy government, you know, [02:12:47.280] protect me because there’s something [02:12:48.960] coming, you know, like a big craft [02:12:50.719] really slowly to Earth. Oh my god, so [02:12:53.520] scary.” or is it to acclimate you for [02:12:56.960] something that they know is going to [02:13:00.079] occur? [02:13:00.719] >> That that’s the other possibility. And I [02:13:03.199] hear mutterings of that all the time. [02:13:06.639] all the time of like, you know, certain [02:13:08.880] dates and, you know, and I I I almost [02:13:12.639] like the the um book of Matthew of like, [02:13:15.520] you know, only God knows the the the day [02:13:17.920] or whatever on the apocalypse that [02:13:19.599] applies to and that has its own stigma [02:13:21.760] and I shouldn’t even say, you know, [02:13:23.520] reference those things in the context of [02:13:25.520] kind of a more scientific conversation, [02:13:27.040] but I think that applies to this, you [02:13:29.520] know, 2026 or 7 or or 35. No one knows. [02:13:33.040] only God know or only some omnisient [02:13:35.199] force knows [02:13:35.920] >> or it’s just complete and utter [ __ ] [02:13:38.400] >> or it’s complete BS and the the funny [02:13:41.119] thing is I can call BS like I did on [02:13:42.880] that I tried to get out ahead of of you [02:13:44.800] know you’re behind the eightball I won’t [02:13:46.079] be ahead of the eightball on that one I [02:13:47.760] came out and said look all these intel [02:13:49.440] people I have taken all of this [02:13:51.599] information this conversations all this [02:13:53.679] data I’ve basically run it through um a [02:13:57.760] way to look for key repeated words [02:14:01.280] >> and I found that I and very directly too [02:14:06.079] was trying to be utilized to propagate [02:14:09.199] oh you want something really special is [02:14:10.880] happening like something really special [02:14:12.320] but I’m just going to tell you what the [02:14:14.239] [ __ ] tell everybody if it’s really [02:14:16.159] special it’s important right so the [02:14:18.320] manipulation of me that’s why I came out [02:14:19.840] and said look my fear is that you’re [02:14:22.079] going to be told that there is a craft [02:14:24.000] slowly moving to earth and it’s [ __ ] [02:14:26.960] and then you know just the world [02:14:30.159] >> I was told that too and [02:14:31.599] >> you Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I knew it. I knew. [02:14:33.760] >> But I I always just whenever I get [02:14:35.679] something like that, I just I just don’t [02:14:38.000] like I I’m like I know what you’re [02:14:39.920] doing. This is passage material. This is [02:14:42.159] a test. It’s It’s probably some sort of [02:14:44.480] bizarre passage material slash can I [02:14:47.440] trust you hybrid or something. And I’m [02:14:50.000] like either [ __ ] way. I just don’t [02:14:52.159] want to like ever mention it again. [02:14:54.000] >> See my my fear is that [02:14:56.079] >> and then if somebody totally independent [02:14:57.760] says something then I’m like okay maybe. [02:14:59.440] But you’re the reason, one of the [02:15:01.119] reasons why I would say that publicly, [02:15:03.360] cuz you know, I knew I’d get [ __ ] for it [02:15:04.880] and everybody would like, you know, cut [02:15:06.000] that up and make me seem like a crazy [02:15:07.440] person. I said it out loud. It’s because [02:15:09.840] people like you have said to me that you [02:15:12.400] were getting that same [ __ ] So now all [02:15:15.119] these people speaking loudly are getting [02:15:17.599] these same messaging and it’s like so we [02:15:19.920] have to defend against that or we become [02:15:21.679] a part of that machine and mechanism. [02:15:23.840] Now, ultimately, end of the day, I don’t [02:15:26.000] [ __ ] know, but I highly [ __ ] doubt [02:15:28.560] that that is an accurate assessment of [02:15:31.040] what’s happening in 2020, 20 36, [02:15:33.920] whatever. [02:15:34.320] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [02:15:34.960] >> But hey, I’d be wrong. [02:15:36.239] >> Do you think I think there’s something [02:15:38.320] so unique going back to Lazar, there’s [02:15:40.400] something so unique about him because [02:15:41.920] he’s this uh kind of hless like normal [02:15:47.280] person, engineer. [02:15:49.119] >> He’s not he doesn’t have any sort of [02:15:50.639] counterintel background or anything like [02:15:52.480] that. Uh, do you think we get another [02:15:55.119] Bob Lazar coming out near term? Because [02:15:57.280] I think that’s what a lot of people [02:15:58.320] want. I don’t think they want the person [02:16:00.960] who saw the thing on the document or [02:16:04.639] that, you know, that who knew the other [02:16:06.320] guy and that person worked directly or, [02:16:08.560] you know, I think they want another [02:16:10.560] Lazar. [02:16:11.199] >> We almost got it and he’s dead [02:16:14.560] to tell me more. [02:16:15.679] >> Well, you know about this, right? [02:16:17.040] >> Sullivan, [02:16:17.840] >> right? [02:16:18.480] >> Yeah. [02:16:19.040] >> Okay. So, a little example. [02:16:21.679] >> Yeah. fact, he was to testify behind [02:16:25.520] closed doors, not [02:16:26.639] >> Matthew Sullivan for Matthew Washington, [02:16:29.040] >> right? [02:16:30.159] >> Um Matthew Sullivan was one of the 40 [02:16:32.960] people that you know that number’s [02:16:35.200] loose. Um there’s probably more that [02:16:37.920] that David Grush brought to the [02:16:40.160] attention of the ICIG. [02:16:43.120] Matthew Sullivan [02:16:45.200] was fact [02:16:47.519] two weeks about before he died, I think, [02:16:50.399] going to testify. We call it behind [02:16:52.080] closed doors because you know how many [02:16:53.359] people I’ve taken in to to speak in DC [02:16:56.000] that you will never see publicly. This [02:16:58.240] is to inform them. Taken them in to [02:17:00.479] testify. You’re under oath. You’re in a [02:17:02.479] skiff. I have facilitated [02:17:04.399] >> over 10. [02:17:06.719] >> Oh yeah. [02:17:08.319] >> Yes. [02:17:08.960] >> Wow. [02:17:09.359] >> So, so, so the question is this. [02:17:13.359] Matthew Sullivan. Now, I didn’t know him [02:17:16.000] personally, but I knew he was going to [02:17:18.000] testify. And that is testifying [02:17:22.080] and that’s why people and the FBI are [02:17:25.280] investigating if his death was [02:17:27.920] suspicious [02:17:29.599] cuz it ain’t adding up all the math. Now [02:17:32.160] he could have just been PTSD and broken [02:17:35.439] down and scared and but that’s not the [02:17:38.240] word on the wash. So I don’t have any [02:17:41.200] direct knowledge [02:17:43.040] that I can talk about of that case. [02:17:46.000] But I do know the FBI is looking into it [02:17:47.679] and there’s a congressional letter and I [02:17:49.359] do mention if you read between the [02:17:51.200] lines. I didn’t know that this could be [02:17:52.399] public. I didn’t know this was going to [02:17:53.519] be public. He’s one of the two people [02:17:55.200] that I’m talking about when I say you [02:17:57.280] know mortal crimes. Um we don’t know a [02:18:00.880] sus it’s a suspicious death and um he [02:18:05.120] was going to testify behind closed [02:18:08.639] doors. He had direct direct hands on [02:18:12.880] with the craft. That would be like [02:18:14.719] Lazar, wouldn’t it? So, man, they wanted [02:18:18.479] to stop Lazar. [02:18:20.639] They don’t want people that would [02:18:22.559] convince everybody out because now [02:18:25.359] >> Were and you were you in touch with me? [02:18:27.200] >> Uh, it’s a really sad story and um I [02:18:29.599] just No. [02:18:30.800] >> Okay. [02:18:31.679] >> I was kind of trying to figure that out [02:18:33.280] recently. I get a lot of signal messages [02:18:36.559] >> and they delete a lot. And um [02:18:41.519] I did get a message from him and it [02:18:44.240] deleted and usually I try to be good [02:18:46.319] about keeping those but it was on a [02:18:48.399] thing but I had never talked with him. [02:18:51.200] >> I I was trying to figure that out cuz of [02:18:52.880] my memory but um you know I can show you [02:18:55.120] on my phone what happened. [02:18:56.639] >> That’s a bummer man. It’s a bummer [02:18:58.160] because I was hoping maybe he was [02:19:00.319] reaching out because I could take people [02:19:02.240] from embryo scared Dylan Borland. You [02:19:06.160] see him in the movie that audio he knows [02:19:08.240] I speak always on speakerphone and buy [02:19:10.559] my Nest cameras. He knows that. So Dylan [02:19:13.120] Borland um he knew that I was doing that [02:19:16.160] for our own protection. And so in the [02:19:17.519] movie, you hear him really scared and [02:19:20.319] that’s way before we knew that we were [02:19:22.639] going to get him standing hand to God [02:19:24.639] and the country and be able to testify. [02:19:27.040] That road is so hard. It takes me 2 and [02:19:29.359] 1/2 months sometimes for for for [02:19:31.519] national security people to vet some of [02:19:33.040] the witnesses that I want to testify to [02:19:35.439] you. A lot you’ll never hear about. You [02:19:37.359] never got to hear Daniel Gawkarell. [02:19:39.359] Small story, but I had him unweaponized [02:19:41.359] after he saw a a triangle. But these [02:19:44.240] these badass [ __ ] that worked [02:19:46.559] on the programs, you have to understand [02:19:47.760] they’re so locked down. They’re not in [02:19:49.359] there because they’re trusted. They’re [02:19:50.560] in there because they have legacy, [02:19:52.160] generational trust. Most of the people [02:19:54.960] in the legacy atmosphere [02:19:57.680] are It’s not because just you are [02:20:00.560] trusted. It’s cuz your grandfather was [02:20:02.560] trusted, your father was trusted. You [02:20:04.800] got kids who are going to be trusted [02:20:07.840] in that same intelligence circles. So [02:20:10.560] they’re so tightly packed in there. um [02:20:13.680] to get somebody to break out of that [02:20:15.920] cage is dangerous for a lot of reasons [02:20:19.840] because why would you do that? You have [02:20:22.160] to think this is so critically [02:20:24.319] important. Otherwise, keep your head [02:20:25.840] down. Do your work. You’re on one of the [02:20:27.200] coolest projects on planet Earth. [02:20:28.800] Literally. [02:20:30.399] Do you understand what I’m saying? [02:20:31.520] >> I do. Yeah. That’s crazy that maybe he [02:20:35.439] was taken out. [02:20:36.399] >> I I don’t know, bro. [02:20:37.680] >> The timing is weird. The timing. There’s [02:20:39.200] a lot I could say about that, [02:20:41.120] >> but I Yeah, let the DOJ do their job. [02:20:44.160] >> Okay. Damn. But like you feel pretty [02:20:48.160] confident that he was working directly [02:20:50.240] on the craft. [02:20:51.680] >> To the best of my know, do I feel very [02:20:53.600] confident? Absolutely. Do I have all the [02:20:56.080] information? No. But I think people that [02:20:58.560] have more information than me and knew [02:21:00.720] him should speak to you. Not me. [02:21:03.359] Interest about him. Is there going to be [02:21:05.120] somebody Man, it shouldn’t be on Bob [02:21:07.200] Lazar. our government should come [02:21:08.880] forward and this is the problem. The [02:21:10.800] first releases, bunch of videos, bunch [02:21:12.800] of documents. Wait a second. Didn’t [02:21:15.600] David Grush raise his hand and say that [02:21:17.280] we have been generationally exploiting [02:21:20.080] non-human technology hand to God and to [02:21:23.600] country and say that we have these [02:21:26.319] programs and didn’t he say that we have [02:21:29.200] alien bodies biolog didn’t he say that [02:21:32.319] oh [ __ ] where was that in the releases [02:21:35.120] the the IC inspector general said this [02:21:38.000] is urgent and credible [02:21:39.840] >> sure but now we got a real issue [02:21:42.800] >> the ICIG is the of the intelligence [02:21:46.000] community. [02:21:49.040] That that’ll that might come out later. [02:21:51.359] The the the question being this, [02:21:53.680] >> who’s the real watchdog here? Can we [02:21:56.080] trust them? [02:21:57.520] >> Well, it doesn’t seem like they’ve acted [02:21:59.280] on Grush’s, you know, report that he [02:22:01.680] handed in in 2022, 4 years ago. So, man, [02:22:05.120] >> I don’t know. You know, I hear there’s a [02:22:08.880] guy and I hear he’s a really good guy [02:22:11.840] and I hear that he is the current ICIG [02:22:15.359] and I hear that his name is Christopher [02:22:18.240] Fox [02:22:19.840] and I hear that if someone like him [02:22:22.800] being active ICIG wanted to and didn’t [02:22:26.399] have to recuse himself for some reason [02:22:28.960] that there’s actually four people cuz [02:22:30.720] I’ve talked with Chuck who was the first [02:22:32.000] ICIG in American history. So he, you [02:22:34.479] know, pretty much I’m pretty sure he [02:22:35.600] knows the job. I think if they wanted to [02:22:39.840] that they could rapidly come to [02:22:42.960] conclusion on that ICIG report. I think [02:22:46.080] the ICIG [02:22:47.920] I think that they also have the video [02:22:50.399] footage of Dylan Borland’s testimony. [02:22:53.680] So I think that this could be very [02:22:57.280] rapidly sorted out if people wanted to. [02:22:59.920] You feel what I’m saying? [02:23:01.280] >> Yeah. And I also think the one thing I [02:23:04.240] didn’t tell you cuz we got into a [02:23:06.160] different space is the fourth thing that [02:23:09.439] I heard directly from ODNI [02:23:13.359] is that Dylan Borland drew a fourth [02:23:16.560] drawing [02:23:18.319] of a sensor system. Oh, but that’s [02:23:21.520] really classified because it’s not UFO [02:23:23.840] related at all. Now wait a second. They [02:23:26.080] were asking me, did he draw that for me? [02:23:28.319] [ __ ] He drew me a triangle on [02:23:30.640] camera. Didn’t draw nothing else. Here’s [02:23:33.040] what I know as fact. Dylan Borland [02:23:36.640] wouldn’t even know what the [ __ ] they’re [02:23:39.280] talking about or how to How do you draw [02:23:41.680] a sensor system, Jesse? You’re a smart [02:23:43.760] guy. You’re basically a [ __ ] [02:23:45.520] scientist. How do you draw a sensor [02:23:48.640] system? So, they lied to me. Why did [02:23:51.120] they lie to me? They lied to me to get [02:23:54.080] Dylan Borland on treason, which carries [02:23:58.000] a life sentence or death penalty. They [02:24:00.399] lied to me about Matthew Brown saying [02:24:02.240] he’s a Jewhating racist. [02:24:04.319] >> That’s so crazy. [02:24:05.120] >> Oh, when I told him he was at a Jewish [02:24:06.640] wedding, he was like, “What?” By the [02:24:10.399] way, he’s part Jewish. [02:24:11.760] >> Let’s Let’s back up and tell people who [02:24:13.680] who is Matthew Brown. [02:24:15.120] >> Okay. I just want you to know that OD [02:24:18.960] and I ran an operation for nine months. [02:24:22.800] Not all of them are bad people. [02:24:24.720] Actually, all of them are good people, [02:24:26.080] but some of them are doing a job. what [02:24:28.319] their mission was. Their mission, if I [02:24:31.120] had to assess, it’s just my opinion, was [02:24:33.520] to co-opt me and George to go against [02:24:35.760] whistleblowers and to fabricate [02:24:39.280] evidence, fabricate evidence against an [02:24:42.479] American hero, a whistleblower named [02:24:45.040] Dylan Borland, to fabricate [02:24:48.080] evidence against Matthew Brown, [02:24:50.800] to pressure everybody into a corner. But [02:24:52.479] why? [02:24:54.080] ultimately [02:24:55.600] to control Congress’s ability and [02:24:59.359] ambition to continue what they’re doing [02:25:03.200] having hearings. [02:25:05.200] I could probably prove that. Actually, I [02:25:09.280] could prove that in the court of law. [02:25:12.560] So, wow, [ __ ] We got that going [02:25:16.560] on. Then put on top of that, did you see [02:25:20.560] a few days ago that the head of the dig, [02:25:23.439] the director’s initiative group, which [02:25:25.040] was the part of OD and I that came to me [02:25:28.160] and to George first, and we provided [02:25:31.040] them a ton of whistleblowers and people [02:25:33.359] just saying, “Hey, telling the [02:25:34.800] whistleblowers, we don’t know if we can [02:25:36.240] trust them, but do your best, right?” [02:25:38.960] And they did it. Most of them talked [02:25:40.800] with them. I think very smartly David [02:25:42.479] Gush didn’t. [02:25:44.399] I don’t think I am confident Tulsi [02:25:47.520] Gabbert was completely unaware that the [02:25:51.120] CIA [02:25:53.040] was running an operation through ODNI [02:25:57.840] on journalists on whistleblowers who [02:26:01.120] were bringing in saying they have [02:26:03.200] ultimate authority to protect you. You [02:26:05.760] can tell them anything, right? But wink [02:26:08.880] wink to the whistleblowers like really [02:26:10.479] careful. throw them some underhanded [02:26:11.840] pitches first to make sure they they’re [02:26:13.600] not running something. Here’s what we [02:26:15.439] find out. A few days ago, [02:26:18.800] a CIA agent goes in front of Congress [02:26:21.359] and he says, “I ran the dig.” He got [02:26:24.080] emotional in it. He’s like, “The CIA,” [02:26:26.800] he said, “I ran the dig, the director’s [02:26:29.040] initiative under Tulsi and I don’t think [02:26:30.960] she was aware that she had these rogue [02:26:32.640] elements, you know, like we’re talking [02:26:34.240] about little cabals from the CIA, by the [02:26:36.640] way, running this op on us.” And he says [02:26:42.560] like he’s a whistleblower. He says he [02:26:45.680] found out that when he was running the [02:26:49.120] anomalous health effects, the [02:26:54.319] COVID [02:26:56.080] coverup and the UAP initiative of the [02:26:59.600] dig [02:27:02.399] that the C they found out and he’s CIA. [02:27:05.439] They found out the CIA was spying [02:27:09.040] on the whistleblowers. [02:27:11.439] That means everybody that we brought in, [02:27:14.640] their computers, their cell phones, [02:27:16.000] everything. He’s self admitting. He’s [02:27:18.240] self admitting. CIA’s response was he [02:27:21.359] wasn’t authorized to speak to you on [02:27:23.040] Twitter. You’re like, “What the [ __ ] [02:27:24.640] You’re not denying those claims? That is [02:27:26.479] illegal. He said that’s illegal. He got [02:27:28.479] emotional.” And I don’t know this guy, [02:27:30.000] John. John something III. I don’t know [02:27:32.319] him. Oh boy. We should have a talk [02:27:35.359] because if you ran the dig, did you know [02:27:38.720] that they were trying to entrap me, [02:27:42.240] George, Dylan, Matthew, Lu Alzando, [02:27:47.439] Lacatsky, [02:27:49.439] um Jay Stratton? [02:27:52.560] Like, did you know that as the head of [02:27:54.479] the dig? Did you know that? But I [02:27:57.600] suspect I want to see the unclassified [02:27:59.840] version of that report. Who’s Matthew [02:28:01.920] Brown? That’s what you asked. [02:28:03.120] >> Yeah. Okay. [02:28:04.720] >> Wow. That’s uh [02:28:06.240] >> bro [02:28:06.560] >> interesting. [02:28:07.200] >> And that’s just breakfast. Let’s get to [02:28:08.880] lunch. [02:28:09.200] >> You have the uh agency that’s supposed [02:28:11.359] to oversee all other intelligence [02:28:13.120] agencies being redteamed by what’s [02:28:15.280] supposed to be a subordinate agency in [02:28:17.680] the CIA. That’s a pretty wild phenomena. [02:28:21.439] I think that’s why people like you [02:28:22.880] because you just took a very complex [02:28:24.479] thing that I’m very emotional about [02:28:26.240] because they tried to hurt people I care [02:28:28.240] about and use me to do it and you just [02:28:31.359] made it simpified. [02:28:35.359] >> I tried. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Who’s [02:28:38.160] Matt Brown? While they are observing the [02:28:40.240] Russian vessels, a large black triangle [02:28:43.439] materializes or decloaks or something. [02:28:46.880] The point is is it did not move. They [02:28:48.399] appeared above the directly above these [02:28:50.560] ships probably no more than 200 m. [02:28:54.640] >> Matt Brown [02:28:56.960] courageous as [ __ ] I mean just [02:28:59.439] goosebump courageous as [ __ ] Matt Brown [02:29:03.760] absolutely 100% worthy of your trust. [02:29:09.439] Has a loving family relationship. I met [02:29:12.880] his dad, his mom, uh I think two of his [02:29:15.760] brothers. [02:29:17.680] um talked with his wife. Um he’s got [02:29:20.800] cats, [02:29:22.640] you know, he’s had a [02:29:24.240] >> seems like a kind of a gentle soul. [02:29:26.720] >> He he’s he’s he’s not as fragile as [02:29:30.240] people think. [02:29:31.680] >> He cuz you know, he’ll tremble when he [02:29:33.680] gets um angry like or scared or nervous. [02:29:37.680] And I’d be nervous as [ __ ] too. Um I [02:29:40.160] snuck him in, you know, to have a secret [02:29:42.560] congressional briefing with three [02:29:44.479] members who all said yes to me. [02:29:46.880] um like snuck him in with my camera [02:29:48.720] crew. Um he has [02:29:54.560] balls of steel. [02:29:56.880] He’s so smart. What an asset to America. [02:30:00.160] Patriot. He’s a patriot. [02:30:03.200] Worthy of your trust. I said that. I [02:30:04.640] want to say it again. Um he revealed [02:30:07.680] Immaculate Constellation to the world. [02:30:12.800] That was a thing. [02:30:17.680] He has endured I more than I’m [02:30:19.680] comfortable saying here. [02:30:21.359] >> Um, from a personal standpoint, [02:30:23.600] >> he was at the office of the secretary of [02:30:25.280] defense, right? [02:30:26.240] >> State Department. [02:30:26.960] >> He was at the State Department. [02:30:28.080] >> Yeah, that was his main job, but he was [02:30:29.760] at Pentagon before that [02:30:30.800] >> and he had TSSCI and and yeah, [02:30:33.520] >> he was doing some like audit or [02:30:35.200] something. How did he run into all of [02:30:37.920] this UFO related info? [02:30:41.040] >> [ __ ] I mean, I think Matt should talk [02:30:42.720] for himself. So, so you notice sometimes [02:30:44.560] people say I don’t I I am so protective [02:30:48.479] of people and you know there’s so much [02:30:51.439] that goes into my brain that like I have [02:30:54.160] to be um gentle with because one wrong [02:30:58.640] little word and I expose something they [02:31:00.640] didn’t want exposed about them [02:31:02.399] personally and then they get harassed. [02:31:04.000] >> But but high level he was doing some [02:31:05.840] routine thing and he bumped into [02:31:09.200] documentation. [02:31:10.160] >> I can tell you this part. [02:31:11.120] >> Yeah. So on a shared Intel link server, [02:31:16.479] there was something misappropriately [02:31:19.120] uploaded. So anybody can go in, but at [02:31:22.560] the time he was kind of in a purgatory. [02:31:24.319] It’s like [ __ ] He has to like basically [02:31:26.000] clean up a bunch of files. Now he’s [02:31:27.600] fidious. Also good word, right? Um so he [02:31:30.720] goes in and looks through everything and [02:31:32.319] puts him in the right place. Boom. Sees [02:31:34.720] Immaculate Constellation. [02:31:37.280] The heck is this? Right. It actually had [02:31:40.160] a picture of Lou Alzando on it. Not that [02:31:42.640] Lou made that. It was saying that Lou [02:31:45.439] came forward in the UAP space, but it [02:31:48.240] caught his attention, right? Okay. And [02:31:51.439] then he starts going through it and he’s [02:31:53.680] like, “Dude, this is not supposed to be [02:31:55.520] on this server.” So, what did a real [02:31:58.319] patriot like Matthew Brown do first [02:32:01.359] thing? because you could everybody can [02:32:03.120] see he goes to his boss or his boss’s [02:32:06.640] boss and he’s like um you know hey this [02:32:09.120] was not supposed to be there I was not [02:32:11.040] supposed to see this it looks like a [02:32:12.800] working report um and they’re like okay [02:32:16.880] cool goes back to his desk or whatever [02:32:18.960] and I hope I’m saying this right and [02:32:20.319] Matt you can speak for yourself and you [02:32:22.080] will very soon people can find out so [02:32:26.880] how I understand it is he was so nervous [02:32:30.000] by how they reacted [02:32:31.920] to the spillage they call it where you [02:32:34.880] see something that you’re not supposed [02:32:36.640] to be read into that he’s like dude [02:32:38.720] they’re going to throw me under the bus [02:32:40.160] if I need to tell somebody else so he [02:32:41.840] goes and tells somebody else and the [02:32:43.840] reaction kept being this like okay but [02:32:48.560] like no asurances to him are you doing [02:32:50.640] the right thing so that gets under your [02:32:53.439] skin you get a little worried right I [02:32:55.359] mean that your whole career is your um [02:32:57.760] is your clearances if they even put your [02:33:00.319] clearances in purgatory like they did to [02:33:02.080] Dylan for years. They’re not saying you [02:33:04.720] don’t got it. And these are people [02:33:06.640] trusted by our government. In Dylan’s [02:33:09.040] case, really, really trusted, bro. I [02:33:12.240] can’t say the agency specifically you [02:33:14.000] worked for, but you could subcontracted [02:33:15.840] for the big ones. Mhm. Okay. So, there’s [02:33:19.359] Matthew alone. Who you going to call? [02:33:23.359] Batman. Like, you know who you going to [02:33:25.359] call, dude? So he proactively being a [02:33:29.040] very thoughtful person documented [02:33:31.280] everything every move everything [02:33:33.600] documented for self-p protection also [02:33:36.000] cuz he’s like you know why did why did I [02:33:38.160] get exposed to that you know and also I [02:33:39.920] think as a curious guy he had some time [02:33:42.000] on his hands and probably um kept his [02:33:45.280] eye out for UAP information right and [02:33:50.000] here’s a guy that like an all source [02:33:52.880] analyst I don’t think he was but like [02:33:54.640] one you kind of start putting together [02:33:57.120] what they call the mosaic and and and [02:33:59.520] you look for what you know to be true [02:34:03.040] then as a beautiful patriotic person [02:34:05.760] when he realized what was going on and [02:34:08.800] how dangerous it was and that’s as far [02:34:10.880] as I’m going to say about that he can [02:34:12.880] talk um cuz not everything’s cleared for [02:34:15.520] him yet he can’t like go ask state [02:34:17.359] department again [02:34:19.359] um [02:34:21.840] he came to me very early on [02:34:28.560] and [02:34:30.399] was able to [02:34:33.280] get that information [02:34:35.680] into the hands of the people that I [02:34:39.680] trusted [02:34:41.600] and that and I do trust still and were [02:34:44.560] in position of power and could assess [02:34:47.120] it. That’s how it began with Matthew [02:34:50.080] Brown. That’s how it began. He didn’t [02:34:52.080] know who to trust at first. he made some [02:34:53.920] mistake or um we won’t get into all of [02:34:58.160] that but some people are not worthy of [02:35:00.800] your trust at all. Journalists don’t try [02:35:06.800] to pay people ever, Jesse. [02:35:10.800] >> Interesting. [02:35:11.439] >> That’s not a journalist. [02:35:12.880] >> There was something, [02:35:13.920] >> bro. Let’s not get into it, right? You [02:35:15.520] said you don’t want to. [02:35:16.479] >> Okay, [02:35:17.120] >> so let’s not [02:35:17.920] >> We can if you want, but [02:35:19.439] >> dude, let’s talk about things that [02:35:21.040] excite us. Okay. [02:35:22.399] >> One day people will understand. [02:35:24.640] >> Yeah. [02:35:25.760] >> So, one day people will understand what [02:35:28.880] makes me angry. [02:35:30.560] >> I didn’t know anything about [02:35:31.840] >> I know you didn’t. [02:35:32.640] >> Possible pain. [02:35:33.439] >> That’s why you No, no. [02:35:36.479] We’re not saying specifics yet. Don’t [02:35:37.920] make an assumption. You might have just [02:35:39.680] made an assumption. [02:35:40.399] >> Well, I think I made a correct [02:35:41.600] assumption, but we can move on. So, this [02:35:44.000] is going to be so awkward for your [02:35:44.960] audience, but Jesse and I, we we made [02:35:46.880] one agreement going on [02:35:48.720] >> is that there’s, you know, we’re we’re [02:35:51.120] just going to talk freely and that we’re [02:35:52.720] going to enjoy ourselves and talk about [02:35:53.840] what makes us happy and inspires us and [02:35:55.840] and sparks our curiosity. It’s basically [02:35:57.520] what we said last night, right? [02:35:58.479] >> Yeah. Exactly. [02:35:59.200] >> So, I want I want to do that. You know, [02:36:00.720] this is not [02:36:01.200] >> And to your credit, I did say I like to [02:36:03.920] focus way more on the truth than people [02:36:07.680] drama. [02:36:08.479] >> Right. Right. [02:36:09.040] >> Because I think it’s so much more [02:36:10.080] interesting. But but it’s an important [02:36:12.640] heristic if a person is also you know a [02:36:17.439] conduit for information. [02:36:18.880] >> So people people drama I stay out of [02:36:21.600] >> but dangerous people I inform everybody [02:36:26.240] about it [02:36:27.280] >> because the thing is is that you got to [02:36:29.840] know who to trust if so you you’re not [02:36:32.000] working in government. I’m not working [02:36:33.200] in government. So we sign none of these [02:36:35.359] NDA [ __ ] We don’t got to do [ __ ] [ __ ] [02:36:37.359] all when it comes to UAP stuff, right? [02:36:39.439] With listening to what people tell us to [02:36:41.920] do like daddy, right? [02:36:43.840] >> But the other people do. [02:36:46.640] >> So the stakes for them are so much [02:36:48.640] higher. So imagine if there were a bunch [02:36:50.640] of whistleblowers and they go to the [02:36:53.120] wrong person to say, “I need to see if [02:36:56.720] you can get me from embryo to hand to [02:36:58.560] God and the American public.” Right? And [02:37:01.840] you go to the wrong person. [02:37:04.399] That could be one of those five traps I [02:37:07.680] told you. [02:37:08.240] >> Mhm. [02:37:08.640] >> And and and then you’re controlled. [02:37:11.280] >> They own you and you’re [ __ ] [02:37:14.960] So if you’re outside of this world, that [02:37:17.680] might feel dramatic to you. The problem [02:37:19.439] is is that it’s true and that is a real [02:37:23.120] issue. So, let’s say you’ve got I get [02:37:26.640] photos from people at Wright Patterson [02:37:28.399] and they’ve got up on their corkboards, [02:37:30.720] you know, weaponized stickers, Jesse [02:37:33.200] Michaels podcast, their favorite people [02:37:34.800] come up to me on the street and tell me [02:37:36.640] that they love your podcast. I sent you [02:37:38.560] videos with some of your fans. So, like [02:37:42.560] >> you get people in these offices and they [02:37:44.399] got they’re they’re just fans, okay? [02:37:45.920] They don’t know much about UFOs, but [02:37:47.200] they they saw some [ __ ] on radar. This [02:37:49.280] happened or that happened. Then you [02:37:50.720] narrow in from those, let’s say that’s [02:37:52.880] 5,000 people, right, that have hit me up [02:37:54.880] in the last year that are inside [02:37:56.720] government. Then you narrow down. So now [02:37:59.200] you’ve got, let’s say, 500 people. So [02:38:02.080] those 500 people, they know something a [02:38:05.120] little bit more specifically about UAP [02:38:08.399] and whatnot and the reality. And then [02:38:10.800] you you narrow down to let’s say 50 [02:38:13.200] people. Now they feel like they want to [02:38:16.399] tell Congress or Senate or or formally [02:38:18.960] report. I’ll get those calls. How do I [02:38:20.399] formally do this? What’s the mechanism? [02:38:22.240] Who can I trust, not trust? And I’m [02:38:23.520] like, okay, well, here’s how you do it. [02:38:24.880] I’ll link you with them. We’ll make a [02:38:26.240] call. I’ll bring you in. If it’s really [02:38:28.479] important, I’ll meet you there. We’ll do [02:38:30.080] this. Signal is okay for that. Then you [02:38:32.479] get from those, what was that, 50 [02:38:34.399] people? You you get in and you narrow [02:38:37.040] down to, let’s say, 10 people. Now, [02:38:40.800] those 10 people, they know something [02:38:43.680] more. And those 10 people, they really [02:38:47.120] need to tell people, but um okay, so you [02:38:50.479] got to deal with those 10 people. Then [02:38:52.640] you narrow down to let’s say [02:38:55.520] five people. [02:38:57.760] The amount of information they have [02:39:00.160] compared to those 500, 5,000. It’s like [02:39:04.000] critical. [02:39:05.600] It’s provable. [02:39:07.840] It can be national security um issue. It [02:39:10.800] could be dangerous. [02:39:14.000] How hard is it, do you think, for [02:39:16.240] someone like that to break from the fold [02:39:19.439] and say, “I have [ __ ] tried [02:39:21.120] everything. I am now going to leak [02:39:24.080] something to a journalist I trust, which [02:39:26.399] is an illegal act, [02:39:28.880] and I’ve never solicited.” I I actually [02:39:31.520] tell people if like a young kid called [02:39:33.359] me from a base and, you know, blah blah [02:39:35.520] blah, and I go, “Stop. Don’t even talk [02:39:37.760] to me. You got a long career ahead of [02:39:39.920] you. Whatever you saw or think you saw, [02:39:42.560] keep it in your head.” and one day [02:39:43.840] you’ll be able to speak freely about it. [02:39:45.600] Do not tell me. You know that joke I [02:39:47.920] have going right now, don’t call me and [02:39:49.280] I’ve got that number going to that’s [02:39:51.120] what that’s born from. [02:39:52.560] >> I say to people, don’t call me ever [02:39:55.200] again. Find me in 10 years when we’re [02:39:57.040] living in a different world. You got a [02:39:58.880] long life ahead of you is not that [02:40:00.479] important for your life and your family. [02:40:02.960] But I’m just trying to show you that the [02:40:05.520] amount of people that know, dude. [02:40:09.280] But then the amount of people that know [02:40:11.200] that would think it’s so important [02:40:15.359] to leak something is so minuscule, it’s [02:40:19.200] so tiny that it baffles me to this day [02:40:23.439] that people all day, every day contact [02:40:26.960] me and George and they put that trust in [02:40:29.120] us and they should and we’re trustworthy [02:40:30.960] and and you know we do get leaks, we [02:40:33.120] assess them for years and we our primary [02:40:35.920] things do not hurt American security. [02:40:38.640] I think that’s why um we’ve been [02:40:40.319] effective. But I’m just trying to show [02:40:41.840] you, man. Like you talk about a cabal [02:40:43.920] and all this. I don’t know who knows all [02:40:45.920] this, but I know [02:40:47.200] >> who doesn’t want you to know about it. [02:40:48.880] >> Yeah. [02:40:49.920] >> Matthew Brown’s super interesting to me, [02:40:52.160] especially your your interviews with [02:40:53.760] George Knap and and him. Uh because he [02:40:57.600] obviously ran into some pretty hardcore, [02:41:00.240] you know, Immaculate Constellation [02:41:02.080] documents around quarantining sensors. [02:41:04.720] >> Yeah. To be real clear, Matthew Brown is [02:41:07.120] not a leaker. He did everything by the [02:41:08.960] book cuz we just went from that [02:41:10.080] conversation. [02:41:10.640] >> Yeah. Yeah. Not not a segway in my head. [02:41:13.680] >> Matthew Brown tried to do everything [02:41:15.760] under God that he could do the the right [02:41:18.560] way and he did. He got he got prepub [02:41:21.760] from State Department, you know? So, [02:41:24.080] it’s like just w here we are. Matthew [02:41:25.760] Brown, you want to say something? Go. [02:41:27.120] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so he ran into [02:41:29.920] all this kind of documentation of this [02:41:31.600] stuff and he saw video and you know, [02:41:34.800] photos and that sort of thing. Um, and [02:41:37.760] then he has kind of a whole worldview [02:41:40.160] that he’s kind of associated with his [02:41:42.640] findings that feels almost like gnostic [02:41:45.920] in nature. And he talks at the end of [02:41:47.760] the interview, he says, you know, um, [02:41:50.000] people are a resource maybe for the NHI. [02:41:53.520] And he says things that to me are [02:41:55.920] extremely intriguing because I prefer [02:41:59.920] actually in some ways like the [02:42:01.439] sensemaking layer like what’s the [02:42:03.040] worldview what’s the ontology that you [02:42:04.800] know you were talking about earlier that [02:42:06.479] comes from all the data not just what’s [02:42:08.399] the data uh sometimes I think we we [02:42:10.640] overindex on the data itself. So I’m [02:42:13.600] extremely like my curiosity is peaked [02:42:15.840] and then my other side of my brain is [02:42:18.800] like but how did he come to that [02:42:20.640] conclusion? [02:42:21.359] >> That’s a personal thing. [02:42:22.399] >> Sure. Yeah. So everybody um again I [02:42:24.960] don’t want to speak about people they [02:42:26.000] should speak about themselves but you [02:42:27.600] know he has a very fascinating mind. I I [02:42:30.560] can say that like from his own personal [02:42:32.640] stuff. The way he um sees [02:42:36.800] the world is a I mean I learned so much [02:42:40.080] you know from like a sensei something’s [02:42:42.160] born before in him. uh even if we [02:42:44.479] disagree on the fundamental nature of [02:42:46.240] that reality. [02:42:47.680] >> I think what you’re highlighting is that [02:42:49.840] online he’s said some very gnostic kind [02:42:52.319] of quoting things and [02:42:54.720] >> yeah that’s the way his mind [02:42:55.840] >> talk about almost like a white house [02:42:57.520] timeline manipulator too like they have [02:43:00.080] sort of timeline yeah like they have [02:43:02.319] some sort of AI timeline thing. [02:43:05.200] >> Oh really? [02:43:05.840] >> Yeah. It was like a super super AI at [02:43:08.479] the White House like [02:43:09.520] >> we should always be ourselves. Right. [02:43:11.280] That’s the thing I I keep in this [02:43:12.640] interview. I keep thinking Jesse asked a [02:43:14.800] question. He’s got something to say and [02:43:16.399] then I say so much. We got to just be [02:43:19.600] ourselves. Matthew has a very unique way [02:43:24.880] of thinking. He’s so like pointed, [02:43:28.880] facidious, and he’ll he’ll be silent a [02:43:31.120] lot of time on calls and just listening [02:43:34.000] and then he’ll say something and it’s [02:43:35.920] very thought out, very thoughtful. So I [02:43:39.439] think what you’re seeing is what we call [02:43:41.840] um personality. [02:43:44.240] >> Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I just Okay. [02:43:46.479] Well, at some point maybe when this is [02:43:50.000] all said and done 10 years into the [02:43:51.680] future of disclosure and it’s all [02:43:53.520] acceptable, I want to go deep with him [02:43:55.520] or if I can at any point go deep with [02:43:58.080] him on how did he get from the data to [02:44:02.560] that worldview because the worldview is [02:44:04.160] interesting to me. I’m like what you [02:44:06.080] know what happened there? But um I [02:44:07.920] realize he’s got to he’s got to speak [02:44:09.439] for [02:44:09.760] >> but I don’t think that was from like if [02:44:11.279] you read the documents [02:44:12.880] >> Yeah. [02:44:13.279] >> or saw the videos that he um has [02:44:16.319] testified to seeing. Right. Not he [02:44:18.319] hasn’t been allowed yet with his hand up [02:44:19.760] in front of Congress. We fought hard for [02:44:21.200] that. He didn’t want to have his face [02:44:23.120] out there, you know, at all. Um [02:44:26.640] >> but I think if you read the same stuff, [02:44:30.560] cuz I know a lot of people that read and [02:44:31.840] saw the same stuff and more than he did, [02:44:33.680] they don’t have the same world view. [02:44:35.760] >> Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s not [02:44:37.200] like in the document. [02:44:38.000] >> That’s just his interpretation. [02:44:39.520] >> That’s what I’m saying. [02:44:40.319] >> Okay. And I [02:44:41.680] >> Well, that’s helpful. I mean that even [02:44:43.040] the what you just said is really helpful [02:44:44.560] that other people have consumed the same [02:44:46.960] thing and not come to the same world [02:44:49.200] view. [02:44:50.319] >> Matthew Brown has has this much of the [02:44:52.399] mosaic. [02:44:53.120] >> Yeah. [02:44:53.600] >> A tiny tiny. All he did was be a [02:44:56.800] whistleblower. [02:44:57.760] >> Yeah. But he because there’s a lot of [02:44:59.520] other things that that that he can’t [02:45:01.840] talk about that were weren’t there’s a [02:45:04.800] lot of things [02:45:06.560] corruption [02:45:08.560] things to do with um WMDs that was his [02:45:12.640] specialty that that he also whistleblue [02:45:15.279] on that people don’t know about you know [02:45:17.040] it’s just not public. That’s freaky. But [02:45:20.800] um on another note because I’m I’m sure [02:45:23.920] you can’t say more about that. Um and [02:45:26.640] maybe maybe a good note to to to end on [02:45:28.960] and and and and close this amazing [02:45:30.640] conversation. Uh what do you hope for [02:45:33.520] the world uh you know 10 years from [02:45:36.160] today you know snapshot of where we are [02:45:39.120] with respect to this issue specifically? [02:45:42.319] What do you what do you hope uh to see? [02:45:46.000] It’s like I’m you know I can’t look back [02:45:48.399] but I’m trying to look forward now. was [02:45:50.000] kind of um [02:45:52.640] if the truth [02:45:55.120] is that [02:45:59.520] they’re a technologically advanced craft [02:46:03.600] that they’ve been here since the [02:46:05.120] beginning of recorded human history if [02:46:07.040] not before [02:46:09.840] that [02:46:12.240] major [02:46:14.160] all the major technological [02:46:16.560] nations on earth [02:46:18.800] have started to try to understand [02:46:22.960] and replicate and grow and evolve from [02:46:26.800] that technology. [02:46:28.640] And if the truth is that we’ve harmed [02:46:32.960] people and lied, [02:46:35.840] our representatives have lied to us. And [02:46:39.439] if that is true [02:46:41.680] and if we have biological entities that [02:46:43.920] are not from planet Earth. [02:46:45.600] >> Have you talked to anybody who’s said [02:46:47.439] they’ve seen biologics? [02:46:50.240] >> Yes. In my work 100%. [02:46:52.319] >> Wow. [02:46:52.960] >> A ton. But Jesse [02:46:54.640] >> Yeah. [02:46:55.439] >> I need more proof and I can’t solicit. [02:46:58.399] >> Sure. [02:46:59.040] >> As a journalist, a specific word. So of [02:47:02.319] course, do I believe them? [02:47:05.359] About half of them. The the top dogs. [02:47:07.840] Other people, they just want to seem [02:47:10.319] cool or they want to get into my head [02:47:12.880] for later. [02:47:14.720] Yeah. Yeah, I’ve heard that. Mostly [02:47:17.840] autopsy reports. [02:47:19.279] >> Okay. [02:47:20.080] >> Yeah. [02:47:20.560] >> Anybody like in person with the [02:47:22.399] >> people have told me that, Jesse? But [02:47:24.479] like like actually a public interview I [02:47:27.359] did once um the anonymous interview um [02:47:31.279] when I brought Richard Dolan in to [02:47:33.279] interview this man as he was dying on [02:47:35.040] like I think it was like a dialysis [02:47:36.479] machine and we got him out of the thing [02:47:38.160] and he came his wife didn’t want him [02:47:39.520] there. [02:47:39.760] >> This Oscar Wolf. [02:47:40.800] >> Yeah. Yeah. That’s his real name, but I [02:47:42.240] wasn’t allowed to release that for like [02:47:43.520] a long time. I have his DD24. [02:47:45.920] >> Crazy story. It’s fascinating. [02:47:47.600] >> I had to be real quiet about his real [02:47:48.880] name for a long time. But it was I have [02:47:50.160] his DD214s all stuff. I setting up that [02:47:52.880] interview with Ruben Langden who set up [02:47:55.200] the entire citizen hearing on [02:47:56.640] disclosure. [02:47:57.279] >> He saw one he saw the alien getting [02:47:59.279] interviewed according to him at at S4 [02:48:02.080] Area 51 I believe at S4 [02:48:06.399] we viewed the autopsy film [02:48:10.880] and then the colonel said what we’ve got [02:48:14.160] in here is we’re interviewing [02:48:17.760] a gray alien [02:48:20.880] >> bro. Um, that is so in my ancient past. [02:48:24.160] I’d say just watch the video. My [02:48:26.240] impression is that um, if I recall, he [02:48:29.680] was one of the people that I’m saying [02:48:31.359] that has like said that because you [02:48:33.120] asked me a live alien. No, not a ton of [02:48:35.520] people have said to me they they’ve been [02:48:37.200] or seen a live alien in government [02:48:39.359] capacity. [02:48:40.319] >> Yeah. [02:48:40.720] >> But versus experience. [02:48:42.479] >> Yeah. Yeah. But lot of autopsy read outs [02:48:44.880] and I know which autopsy. So that you [02:48:46.640] you start narrowing it down after the [02:48:48.160] years and you know people that don’t [02:48:49.840] know each other have kind of run across [02:48:51.520] >> enough where you’re pretty high [02:48:52.560] confidence. That’s that’s a component of [02:48:54.319] it. Yeah. [02:48:54.640] >> Oh, we got bodies. [02:48:55.680] >> But like I don’t Are they cybernetic? [02:48:57.680] Like are they um printed flesh with AI [02:49:00.640] high [ __ ] minds? I I don’t [ __ ] [02:49:02.479] know. Um [02:49:03.840] >> but yeah, I think that’s the ultimate [02:49:05.760] thing. So you’re ask you were asking me [02:49:07.120] to go what do I hope? Yeah. What do you [02:49:08.960] hope? I’m just trying to stay for the [02:49:10.800] detail. No, no. I’m trying to stay [02:49:12.800] >> on your track. So it’s like [02:49:17.200] ultimately [02:49:19.200] if I keep saying if if this is true, if [02:49:21.600] this is true, this is my best [02:49:22.720] assessment, right? Then [02:49:26.000] I would hope [02:49:28.720] that those tasked [02:49:32.720] with withholding the fundamental nature [02:49:36.000] of what it means to be human, which is [02:49:39.920] to interact with a a larger [02:49:43.760] idea of of being, would then stand the [02:49:48.560] [ __ ] down, tell the [ __ ] truth, and [02:49:51.760] let human beings decide died for them [02:49:54.160] [ __ ] selves if they can handle it. [02:49:56.720] That’s what I would hope. Now, people [02:49:59.120] have hoped for disclosure for a long [02:50:01.680] time, you know, way before me. Before I [02:50:06.000] was born, [02:50:07.680] I was born in 77. Before I was born, [02:50:10.399] none of them got it. [02:50:12.399] >> Now, we are getting something right now, [02:50:14.800] but we’re not having the conversation. [02:50:16.960] >> No. But I hope it uh it snowballs. You [02:50:19.359] know, I think you kind of saw it with [02:50:21.520] the Epstein stuff. where like a little [02:50:23.200] bit came out and then people were like, [02:50:24.720] “Whoa, there’s something there.” And [02:50:26.720] then they wanted more and they wanted [02:50:28.560] more and they wanted more and then you [02:50:29.680] have all of a sudden representatives in [02:50:31.439] the civilian, you know, Congress who are [02:50:33.840] fighting to get more out and you get [02:50:36.000] more and more documentation [02:50:38.399] and slowly it just kind of snowballs. [02:50:40.240] And I think that might be similar with [02:50:42.240] this topic or JFK or a lot of these [02:50:44.640] things where the consensus just shifts [02:50:47.520] over over a long time horizon. Um, so I [02:50:51.279] while I you can sort of, you know, I [02:50:53.359] know a lot of people kind of belittled [02:50:55.040] this drop or think it’s a distraction or [02:50:56.960] whatever, uh, I think it’s, uh, the [02:50:59.359] beginning of infinity. It’s not it’s not [02:51:01.200] the end, you know. It’s it’s the [02:51:02.720] beginning of a possible paradigm shift. [02:51:05.600] And that’s that’s so exciting. [02:51:07.040] >> The beginning of infinity. I I was [02:51:09.359] saying it’s the floor, not the ceiling. [02:51:11.439] It is the beginning of infinity. I am [02:51:14.000] hopeful that we’re going to get [02:51:15.439] somewhere. But the only way we get there [02:51:17.200] is if we push and we do it [02:51:18.880] asymmetrically and everybody that has a [02:51:21.040] voice and everybody that has a desire. [02:51:24.479] Just use it. Just move. Keep talking. [02:51:27.279] Don’t take nothing personal. Sticks and [02:51:29.520] stones will break my bones, but words [02:51:31.279] will never hurt me. Right? Just push. [02:51:33.840] Push. And I bet you that tomorrow we [02:51:37.040] will know more um than we do today. I [02:51:39.359] bet you when people see this, we’ll know [02:51:41.200] more than than we knew the day before. [02:51:44.000] And um yeah, man, I’m optimistic. I’m [02:51:46.080] glad to have you in the fight. And [02:51:47.840] everybody that has a microphone or [02:51:49.920] thumbs [02:51:51.600] can just make some noise. [02:51:53.040] >> On that beautiful inspirational note, go [02:51:55.439] watch Sleeping Dog, check out [02:51:57.359] Weaponized, subscribe, and anything else [02:52:00.080] you want to plug. [02:52:01.359] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, I want to say that [02:52:06.720] it it took a long time for me and Jesse [02:52:09.040] to to trust each other because trust is [02:52:11.680] never given. It’s always it’s always [02:52:13.840] earned and then it’s it’s built and then [02:52:16.640] every day you keep reinforcing, you [02:52:19.600] know, to the the trick of being [02:52:21.520] trustworthy is to to to actually be [02:52:23.600] trustworthy. And so I’m I’m grateful [02:52:25.680] that we get this um construct the room [02:52:29.359] and and we get to do this for the first [02:52:31.279] time and that you know we will continue [02:52:35.120] this dialogue until we’re old old men. [02:52:39.760] >> That’s what I kept thinking this whole [02:52:40.960] conference is so fun and you know I [02:52:42.800] would love to run it back. So [02:52:44.000] >> yeah. But just keep fighting, keep [02:52:45.359] pushing, keep doing what you’re doing [02:52:46.720] and I would like to do a um twominute [02:52:50.000] rapid fire because I have questions for [02:52:51.520] you. You can put it in your episode or [02:52:53.200] not. [02:52:53.600] >> Sure. Yeah. [02:52:54.160] >> So, this is back and forth, [02:52:55.920] >> rapid fire. [02:52:56.800] >> Okay. [02:52:57.680] >> Okay. [02:52:58.640] >> Um, [02:53:00.479] did you start this what you’re doing [02:53:03.439] with the intention to try to get [02:53:07.040] information to the public that you [02:53:09.120] thought was important? [02:53:10.080] >> Yes. [02:53:12.560] >> Are you independent or are you [02:53:15.040] controlled? [02:53:15.840] >> Independent. [02:53:16.640] >> I know. [02:53:19.040] Um, [02:53:20.800] do you have [02:53:23.040] people that support you in your life so [02:53:25.439] that you’ll keep going? [02:53:27.120] >> Like loved ones and [02:53:28.960] >> Yes. [02:53:29.439] >> Yeah, I do. Yeah. [02:53:30.640] >> Okay. [02:53:32.720] >> Have you found friends that you really [02:53:35.120] trust at this point in this part of your [02:53:36.880] journey? [02:53:37.439] >> I have. Yeah. [02:53:38.240] >> On this topic. [02:53:38.880] >> I had before this I [02:53:40.960] >> on this topic. [02:53:41.760] >> On this topic. Yeah. Yes. For sure. [02:53:44.080] Yeah. [02:53:45.359] >> Will you protect that? [02:53:46.880] >> Always. Yeah. Before anything, before [02:53:50.160] you know relationships, over over [02:53:52.399] anything, [02:53:53.200] >> will you tell the truth if you find out [02:53:55.439] something is incorrect and will you tell [02:53:57.760] it loudly? [02:53:58.720] >> Oh, yeah. [02:54:00.560] >> I believe you. [02:54:01.680] >> Thank you, Jeremy. I’m glad I passed the [02:54:04.160] test. [02:54:04.720] >> It’s not a test. I like I learned those [02:54:06.960] things about you through time. [02:54:08.880] >> Yeah. [02:54:09.279] >> But now maybe people learn it about you [02:54:11.120] because you just told it how it is. [02:54:12.880] >> Yeah. I love it. [02:54:13.520] >> There we go. You got a, you know, a lot [02:54:14.960] of people that, you know, are suspicious [02:54:18.000] of you. [02:54:18.880] >> I know. [02:54:19.680] >> And, um, I was. [02:54:21.600] >> Yeah. Fair enough. [02:54:22.800] >> Yeah. [02:54:23.120] >> But here we are. [02:54:23.840] >> Here we are. It’s frustrating to me. And [02:54:26.960] it it’s so it makes me want to quit [02:54:28.560] sometimes cuz it’s like uh it’s like [02:54:31.520] [ __ ] Like what what do you do? You [02:54:33.040] know, like it’s a the offense on a [02:54:35.439] conspiracy about yourself is always [02:54:36.960] going to beat the defense. Like you can [02:54:38.479] always say [ __ ] about me and whatever. [02:54:42.080] And so I c I can always say you’re [02:54:43.920] wrong, you know, you’re you’re just [02:54:45.200] wrong and I can point to the facts, but [02:54:47.200] then you can always construct a new [02:54:48.720] thing. And so, you know, it’s like uh [02:54:53.279] yeah, it’s tough. I don’t know that is a [02:54:55.359] reality is that people do want to quit. [02:54:58.000] And that is the work of a very organized [02:55:01.200] attempt sometimes. Sometimes. And we [02:55:04.880] need to identify that and we need to [02:55:06.720] bring it into the light. and you’re not [02:55:08.560] gonna quit because you told me just now [02:55:10.240] that you do have people that love you [02:55:11.840] and support you about keep going [02:55:13.920] >> and it feels it feels like a mission [02:55:16.160] that’s higher than me. So that’s why I [02:55:19.200] the part that wants to quit is like the [02:55:22.000] ego that wants to remain intact and like [02:55:24.640] wants to stay out of the limelight. [02:55:26.240] >> Fight or flight. You want you don’t want [02:55:27.439] to be in pain. [02:55:28.160] >> In pain. Yeah. And like part of life. [02:55:30.800] And you mentioned stuff around um you [02:55:33.439] know your your personal life being [02:55:35.359] encroached on. I’ve had similar things. [02:55:37.439] Yes. [02:55:37.760] >> That freaked me out and I’m like and [02:55:40.240] then so it’s it’s funny to see that [02:55:42.000] simultaneously [02:55:48.960] you have people calling you a spook and [02:55:50.720] it’s like you’re you’re uh be on both [02:55:54.000] you’re being flanked and I’m like I’m [02:55:57.120] not a [ __ ] spook and go the [ __ ] away [02:56:00.160] and just let me you know and and uh [02:56:03.120] >> and yeah and and I’m sure you feel [02:56:05.359] sympathetic to this as Well, there’s so [02:56:07.600] much that you put out that they they [02:56:10.399] wouldn’t even be into this [ __ ] if you [02:56:11.920] hadn’t had put the thing out. [02:56:13.760] >> So, they’re [ __ ] using your lexicon [02:56:15.520] and all the stuff you bring out. They’re [02:56:17.359] taking that, but then they’re throwing [02:56:19.920] you in the garbage or whatever. And it’s [02:56:21.840] like, [ __ ] off. Like, [02:56:24.479] >> so the thing is, it’s not about you. I [02:56:26.640] know. It’s not about me. [02:56:27.680] >> It’s not. [02:56:28.160] >> And I’ve got tunnel vision. So, I’m [02:56:30.000] seeing you right now. I don’t see [02:56:31.680] nothing else. You You got to do that. [02:56:33.680] But I’m going to crack you on one thing. [02:56:34.640] and I hope you find it useful later. [02:56:36.399] Okay. [02:56:36.720] >> Okay. [02:56:37.520] >> Which is that you said something about [02:56:39.920] defense and you said something about [02:56:41.520] like when you’re getting all these [02:56:42.880] attacks from every side and people make [02:56:44.319] you want to quit. Okay. Then they win if [02:56:46.880] you quit. Now quit. If you find a [02:56:49.760] beautiful girl and you want an island [02:56:51.200] and just like go live over there, you [02:56:52.880] don’t need to be doing this. I know that [02:56:54.240] about you. You don’t need to be doing [02:56:56.560] this. I don’t need to be doing this. [02:56:58.960] Right? [02:57:00.560] But I can. So I will. So the one thing I [02:57:04.640] want to correct you on is the best [02:57:07.840] defense is to outpace, out maneuver, and [02:57:11.680] outperform. Never look back ne unless [02:57:15.359] you’re reflecting, but your mom and dad [02:57:16.880] and brothers and sisters and your [02:57:18.240] friends will tell you if you’re being a [02:57:19.439] [ __ ] and an idiot and help you [02:57:20.880] self-reflect. So they’re better at it [02:57:22.319] than you anyway, right? So you look [02:57:24.160] forward, you keep going. If you want out [02:57:26.319] at any time, make it your own choice. [02:57:28.720] The best thing you do when you’re [02:57:30.399] getting attacked is don’t look back. [02:57:32.800] Keep moving forward. Don’t think about [02:57:34.960] those attacks. Don’t let them in. Don’t [02:57:36.399] penetrate them. They don’t know you and [02:57:38.640] they don’t own you. You’re independent. [02:57:41.600] [ __ ] fight. We need you. I appreciate [02:57:44.319] that. [02:57:45.040] >> Well, thank you, Jeremy. [02:57:46.240] >> Love you, buddy. Good to see [02:57:47.120] >> you, too, man. [02:57:48.080] >> Damn. Oh, that was great. [02:57:50.160] >> That was so cool. [02:57:54.640] >> If you’ve made it this far in the show, [02:57:56.720] then I know you care enough to hear [02:57:58.960] about this. Our show, American Alchemy, [02:58:00.960] is growing super fast. It’s bursting at [02:58:03.200] the seams, and we are looking for an [02:58:05.040] amazing editor to join the team. If [02:58:07.600] you’re an experienced YouTube editor, [02:58:09.680] podcast editor, trailer editor, or [02:58:11.920] documentary style editor, maybe you’re [02:58:14.000] even a traditional Hollywood editor and [02:58:16.160] you’re just really into our content, and [02:58:18.960] you want to work on some of the most [02:58:20.640] mindbending stories in the world. 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