Raymond Fowler & Arthur G. Stancil (“Fritz Werner”) on the 1953 Kingman, AZ crash retrieval (documentary footage)
Source: documentary segment reposted by the “Eyes On Cinema” YouTube channel. Title: “Eyewitness Arthur G. Stancil & researcher Raymond Fowler on the 1953 UFO crash in Kingman, Arizona.” Features UFO investigator Raymond E. Fowler narrating his investigation, a documentary narrator, and eyewitness Arthur G. Stancil (the engineer long known by the pseudonym “Fritz Werner”) giving recreated testimony. URL: https://youtu.be/L4CvjWEB6C8 (Eyes On Cinema; posted 2022-12-02; ~7:52). Captured: 2026-07-01. OpenAI Whisper (whisper-1) via scripts/speech_to_text_remote.py; timestamped paragraphs, verbatim. Three voices (Fowler, a narrator, Stancil), not separately labeled. Provenance only. No relation to James Fowler: this is Raymond E. Fowler, the classic investigator, not James Fowler the Skywatcher technologist. What this is: the actual primary behind the base’s Raymond-Fowler / Kingman-1953 material (raymond-fowler-kingman-1953-crash-retrieval-2024, raymond-fowler-mclaughlin-egg-ufo-1987). Fowler describes the source — a GTE manager with a top-secret clearance who, as a civilian Air Force specialist in landing gear / crashed-aircraft damage assessment on loan to the AEC at Frenchman’s Flat, Nevada in 1953, was pulled onto a secret 2-3 day mission: flown to an Arizona civilian airfield, put on a blacked-out bus, sworn to secrecy, and driven (they estimated) to the Kingman area to assess a crashed “super-secret vehicle.” The object: a ~25-30 ft inverted-bowl/“two saucers” shape with a slight rim and orifices, brushed-aluminum-like, no scratch marks or buckling despite penetrating ~20 inches into the sand; he was tasked only to determine falling and forward speed at impact and refused the vehicle’s mass. Both Fowler’s narration and Stancil’s recreated testimony describe a tent beside the object holding “remains of small beings” / “two alien-looking bodies” with “brown, leathery skin” and a “silver cap… like a skull cap.” Fowler stresses he ran a character-reference check back to Wright-Patterson and everyone gave the witness “a clean bill of health”; the man declined publicity and money (a Hangar 18 documentary offer) to protect his GTE position and his oath. Weight: the Kingman case rests entirely on this single witness’s account (Stancil / “Fritz Werner”), relayed and vouched-for by Fowler; it is a foundational but uncorroborated mid-century crash-retrieval story. It is part of the crash-retrieval lineage the base tracks (it recurs in Mellon’s 2024 crash-retrieval message and Gerb’s work), which is why the primary is worth having verbatim.
[0:00] There are those who feel that the government has hardware. Gordon Cooper, again, indicated that he has heard some highly placed rumors concerning crashed UFOs. A retrieval, he says, not only of just the UFO, but remains of bodies. I came closest to a report like this talking to an individual at GTE who holds a high managerial position, who has a top-secret clearance, and who worked as a civilian for the Air Force back in 1953. And his expertise was landing gear and also assessing the damage done to crashed aircraft. And he was on loan to the Atomic Energy Commission out at Frenchman’s Flats, Nevada, at the time, and he was assessing damage done to bridges and different types of buildings that were subjected to atomic bomb tests from different heights.
[0:57] There’d be atomic bombs on towers and drop a parachute and so forth. And he claims that right in the middle of these tests that he was called away and told to report to a certain office that he was going to have to go on a two-day mission to a three-day mission for something that he couldn’t write a talk about. And he claims just briefly the story goes like this. He was flown from Indian Springs Air Force Base to a civilian airfield in Arizona. I think it was Tucson or Phoenix. I can’t remember. I’d have to look at the report. But at the airfield he was met by an air policeman who escorted him to a military bus
[1:35] that had all the windows blacked out. He got on the bus and he was told not to talk to anybody, to surrender all his valuables, which he did, and they put him in a cloth bag, put his name on it. A full colonel, after everybody was assembled, told him that we’re going to go for a long ride, that they were not to talk to each other, that they were going to investigate the crash of a super-secret vehicle which they couldn’t talk about and they had taken oath. And when they finally got there, he thought they drove around for two or three hours. He didn’t know. They took his watch away.
[2:02] When they got there, there was a bright light on the bus, blinding bright light. It was his turn to get out. He says he couldn’t see anything. This light was just blazing. When they finally got behind the light, there was this 30-foot-in-diameter object shaped like a bowl inverted upon a bowl with a slight rim around it with orifices. He was told to determine the falling speed and forward speed at time of impact. And that was all. And he wasn’t asked any other questions about the object. He said that there were generators there, there were power cables going into the object, there was an opening and there were people inside doing something, there was a tent pitched beside the object with remains of small beings,
[2:46] but he wasn’t allowed to ask any questions and so forth. When they got back to the bus, they were all told, each person that went out and did their own thing, that they were going to go back and they were going to handwrite a report of their findings. They were not to type it. They were to call a number. It would be reported. It would be picked up. And they were sworn to secrecy. Now, that’s just a peripheral summary of what this fellow told me. I conducted a character reference check, went all the way back from where he works at GTE now, all the way back to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, which was Wright Field in those days, talked to people there, highly placed people who still knew this individual.
[3:22] Everybody gave him a clean bill of health. He didn’t seek any publicity. There was a movie called Hangar 18 that came out, put out by Sun Classics, and they called me because they knew of this particular sighting that I had investigated. They offered this fellow money through me to do a documentary. He didn’t want to compromise the story at all in any way using his name because of his position at GTE and because what his peers would think of him because he had taken an oath. So you have highly placed rumors that they actually have crash retrieval cases. Whether they’re true or not, we only can wait and see, but they come from people with impeccable credentials. Waiting for his friend to arrive, Ray nervously fiddled with his telescopes.
[4:11] He remembered his extensive investigations into the man’s reliability as a witness. In the case of Fritz, I started in 1973, went all the way back to the various companies he worked for, right back to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, talked to people he worked with, and they all gave him a very clean bill of health, a reputable man, honest man, not the type that would fabricate a hoax and a very efficient engineer. As the man arrived, Ray recalled the years his friend had wavered about breaking an oath of secrecy. He recalled their long arguments about a greater public good. Would the years of patient persuasion at last pay off? As I understand it, Fritz, you were working for the United States Air Force. The story began late one night in 1953 at Frenchman’s Flat, Nevada. The man had been working as a consultant on blast effects of atom bombs.
[5:01] When he was suddenly ordered to report for a new mission. What happened after that? We were put on a bus which the windows were all completely covered with curtains and in some cases black paper taped to the windows. And we’re driven for three or four hours and we’re not sure just where we were going. Several of us tried to guess where we might have been. We at that time came to the conclusion it was in the area of Kingman, Arizona. After getting off the bus, as recreated here, the scientists were taken to an even more remote location. They had no idea exactly where they were or what they were about to see.
[5:45] We were told that we had been selected for various technical specialties. I was told that I was to ask any questions that had to do with dynamics, I was told that I was to ask any questions that had to do with dynamic loads and nothing more and I wouldn’t get any answers to any other questions. It looked like two saucers, I would call it. One on top of the other, inverted. Probably 25 to 30 feet in diameter. In terms of something known, what kind of metal would it look like? Well, it would look like a brushed aluminum.
[6:23] I’m sure it probably wasn’t that, I say that because I noticed no scratch marks. And anything that would penetrate into the sand, 20 inches that way would certainly have some scratch marks. No signs of buckling, fracture or anything? Not that I could see. I accepted it was probably some United States government vehicle, a highly classified vehicle. In fact, we were told that that’s what it was. Interestingly enough, one of the questions I needed to know was what the mass of the vehicle was. I can tell a lot of things from the penetration into the desert sand and so forth,
[6:52] but I needed to know the mass. And they told me that they weren’t going to let me know that. They perhaps didn’t even know themselves. There was also a tent, which I didn’t get to look into, but one fellow whom I did happen to talk with briefly until they told us to stop talking, said that he had seen two bodies inside the tent, two alien-looking bodies. It was brown, leathery skin. It had a silver cap on it without a bill. Like a skull cap? Yes, like a skull cap. I realized what this really started to mean,
[7:34] but I also at the same time realized probably why the government was keeping it classified. There are a lot of things that could be changed by our culture and religions. There are a lot of things that could be affected by the release of information like that at that particular time.