UAP Gerb — “Lockheed Martin: UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation & Legacy Programs” (26 Sep 2025)

Source: UAP Gerb (YouTube channel @UAPGerb), long-form documentary on Lockheed Martin’s alleged role in UFO reverse engineering and the legacy programs. URL: https://youtu.be/X6JfbfmvgMo (2025-09-26; 3:02:57). Captured: 2026-06-28. YouTube auto-caption transcript (timestamps retained; ASR artifacts — “Sturivant”/“Sturdivant”=Mary K. Sturtevant, “Loheed”=Lockheed, “Helenale”=Helendale, “Stubblebine”=Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, “Carluchi”=Frank Carlucci). Provenance only; analysis: gerb-uap-open-source-researcher, sturtevant-cia-lockheed-alleged-konablue-blocker, ryder-lockheed-uap-transfer. What this is: Gerb’s fullest treatment of Lockheed’s alleged UFO role, and the primary the Sturtevant page flagged as uncaptured. His Mary K. Sturtevant deep-dive runs ~2:23:00-2:30:00 (“former Lockheed… began her career at the CIA… BDM/Braddock… Stubblebine”) — the page’s earlier “~1:44:24” pointer was off; the Sturtevant segment is ~2:23:00. Also covers the 2011 DHS Kona Blue PAP (~1:58:00-2:05:00) and the Harry Reid / Lockheed New Yorker “we knew Lockheed had this material for decades” disclosure (~1:44:30).

[00:00:08.230] [Music] [00:00:11.200] The skunk works is a way of doing [00:00:13.200] business quick, quiet, and efficient. [00:00:15.440] It’s not just a place. [00:00:16.640] >> It’s really about the mentality about [00:00:18.000] how we attack problems and come up with [00:00:20.240] solutions. [00:00:20.800] >> Skunk Works really since its beginning [00:00:22.400] has stood for innovation. It stood for [00:00:24.480] products that uh were beyond their time [00:00:27.519] that were really uh futuristic. It’s the [00:00:30.160] secret sauce of Loheed Martin. It’s what [00:00:32.880] brings forth the innovations that are [00:00:35.120] going to protect our customers into the [00:00:36.719] future. [00:00:38.000] >> Who are the contractors that have this [00:00:40.160] material, the corporations? [00:00:41.600] >> Well, one of them is Lockheed. And I’ll [00:00:43.280] tell you, I mean, you know, I’m not [00:00:44.480] saying Loheed’s the bad guys. They’re [00:00:46.239] doing what they were asked to do. They [00:00:48.000] have lied about this because that’s what [00:00:49.600] they’re supposed to do. But Lockheed [00:00:50.960] would be one. There’s a list I can give [00:00:52.719] you. Congressman, um, some of the big [00:00:55.120] ones, the the usual suspects. Imagine [00:00:58.079] you’re like a hot engineer. Hot [00:01:00.320] engineer. No, hot shot engineer. You [00:01:02.640] might be hot, too. I don’t know. But [00:01:04.960] that you know, you’re fresh out of grad [00:01:06.320] school. Maybe you’re like the best PhD [00:01:08.320] electrical engineer. You want to do [00:01:10.000] cool. You want to publish an itle E. You [00:01:12.960] want to like, you know, climb the ladder [00:01:14.960] corporately, you know, and that kind of [00:01:17.040] thing. [00:01:18.560] A Locky Martin executive comes to you. [00:01:21.119] Yeah, dude. uh you’re gonna I can read [00:01:24.479] into something really crazy, but you’re [00:01:26.560] never going to publish papers on it. [00:01:28.560] You’re never going to be able to tell [00:01:29.600] people what you worked on, and it’s [00:01:31.759] probably not the most career enhancing. [00:01:33.920] But if you want to work on something [00:01:35.280] cool, but I can’t tell you because it’s [00:01:37.759] unagnowledged until you sign this piece [00:01:39.840] of paper non-disclosure agreement. Um [00:01:44.400] uh uh you know, sorry, but here’s the [00:01:48.000] raw deal. [00:01:50.880] There is a place where we imagine the [00:01:54.000] impossible, [00:01:56.560] where the powers of machine and nature [00:01:59.200] become one. [00:02:01.600] And being a maverick [00:02:03.840] is in our DNA. [00:02:07.280] We are Loheed Martin’s skunk works. [00:02:13.280] This is where we break beyond the [00:02:16.319] boundaries. [00:02:21.360] When diving into the subject of UFO [00:02:23.840] crash retrievals and reverse engineering [00:02:26.000] efforts, I am willing to bet one of the [00:02:29.040] first names you associate with joint US [00:02:31.760] government and private industry UFO [00:02:34.080] exploitation efforts is the largest [00:02:36.720] defense contractor in the entire world. [00:02:39.920] Loheed Martin and their infamous [00:02:42.560] advanced development projects department [00:02:44.720] responsible for highly classified [00:02:47.040] research development test and evaluation [00:02:49.280] programs also known as skunk works [00:02:52.959] locked more than any other contractor or [00:02:55.920] private/ semi-private organization in [00:02:58.800] history and sometimes even more than the [00:03:01.680] United States Department of Defense [00:03:03.360] itself has become intimately entwined [00:03:06.080] with UFO legacy programs. highly [00:03:09.360] classified, deepixed carve out advanced [00:03:12.400] research development, test and [00:03:13.920] evaluation programs buried under complex [00:03:16.800] security protocols and waved [00:03:19.040] unagnowledged special access programs [00:03:21.599] existing since at least 1947 focused on [00:03:25.519] the recovery, exploitation, and adaption [00:03:28.239] of technologies of unknown origin. [00:03:32.560] For decades, Loheed Martin and its famed [00:03:35.280] skunk works have been labeled as the tip [00:03:37.599] of the spear, leading US defense [00:03:40.000] contractor efforts to retrieve, store, [00:03:42.480] and adapt nonhuman technologies for [00:03:45.200] human control. [00:03:47.599] Lockheed has been the centerpiece for [00:03:49.760] numerous UFO whistleblower claims, [00:03:52.400] anti-gravity/exotic [00:03:54.480] propulsion paper trails, deep [00:03:56.879] underground military bases, aka [00:03:59.439] subterranean facility discussion, and [00:04:01.840] bizarre traceable attempts to transfer [00:04:04.239] nonhuman materials out of the [00:04:06.239] corporation. [00:04:08.080] These discussions are incredibly vast [00:04:10.480] and poignant and without even scratching [00:04:12.720] the surface range from Air Force Master [00:04:15.599] Sergeant Edgar Fuché’s accusations that [00:04:17.919] Loheed operated as a prime contractor to [00:04:20.799] the triangular alien reproduction [00:04:22.720] vehicle TR3B. [00:04:25.040] Ross Colart’s recent comments, the quote [00:04:27.360] unquote tic tac from the 2004 famed [00:04:30.240] Nimmits encounter originated from the [00:04:32.400] Lockheed skunk works. Decades of worthy [00:04:35.840] analysis, Lockheed’s Helenale radar [00:04:38.160] cross-section facility houses a [00:04:40.080] subterranean facility dedicated to the [00:04:42.479] study and housing of recovered UFOs and [00:04:45.919] so so much more. [00:04:49.199] Bizarrely, Lockheed sits in the [00:04:51.360] spotlight of UFO legacy program [00:04:53.600] accusations. more so than any other [00:04:56.080] contractor, federally funded research [00:04:58.160] and development center or university [00:04:59.919] affiliated research center I have ever [00:05:02.000] discussed. Of course, operating as the [00:05:04.960] largest defense contractor in the world [00:05:07.039] brings notoriety, especially surrounding [00:05:09.600] whispers of off-world technology reverse [00:05:12.320] engineering. Yet still discussions of [00:05:15.360] Loheed and UFOs dwarfs similar [00:05:18.880] discussion around the MITER Corporation [00:05:21.039] Northrup Grumman SIC/LOS [00:05:23.840] Battel Memorial Institute and DOE [00:05:26.639] sponsored FFRDC’s such as Sandia and Los [00:05:30.000] Alamos National Labs. [00:05:33.199] Lockheed’s prominence in the discussion [00:05:35.120] of UFO programs is so common place. Even [00:05:38.880] David Grush has mentioned Lockheed by [00:05:41.280] name in his tremendous Joe Rogan podcast [00:05:44.160] appearance whilst keeping some of the [00:05:46.720] other names mentioned above in the [00:05:48.639] shadows. [00:05:50.240] Lockheed skunk works themselves have [00:05:52.320] given the civilian world cheeky winks [00:05:54.479] over the years alluding to possessing [00:05:56.800] knowledge on nonhuman life. [00:06:02.479] My kids actually ask the same question. [00:06:04.479] And whenever I go on to business trips, [00:06:06.720] I come home, they ask me, “How are the [00:06:08.160] aliens? Did I see the aliens?” Things [00:06:10.160] like that. So yeah, do the aliens exist? [00:06:12.639] That’s a question for another time. Uh [00:06:14.479] but in terms of what we work on, yes, we [00:06:16.880] do work on classified projects. Uh the [00:06:19.520] aliens don’t really enter into that. [00:06:21.759] >> And every now and then, Loheed will even [00:06:24.000] give unclassed nods towards absolutely [00:06:27.039] mind-boggling capabilities the [00:06:29.120] contractor has achieved in advanced [00:06:31.280] aeronautics. [00:06:32.960] You know, right now our airplane designs [00:06:35.120] are very reductionist. We have fuel over [00:06:38.000] here. We have the cockpit. We have the [00:06:41.199] engine. They’re all separate parts. [00:06:44.319] What if we could integrate those parts [00:06:46.240] together in a holistic manner? [00:06:49.120] Can we do things like embed the carbon [00:06:51.600] nano tubes to make conductive uh [00:06:54.960] structure so that information doesn’t [00:06:57.440] flow through a wire next to a structure [00:07:00.000] but literally flows through the [00:07:02.000] structure. will be able to grow or make [00:07:04.880] a structure that say is the skin of an [00:07:07.759] aircraft that inside of that is also [00:07:10.800] contained the sensors or the energy [00:07:14.639] storage or many different multiple [00:07:18.080] functions. [00:07:19.759] >> New materials that are on the uh lab [00:07:22.479] bench right now, they can literally [00:07:24.400] change shape on command. They can become [00:07:27.680] almost a muscular material. We could [00:07:30.400] have an airplane that optimizes its [00:07:32.160] shape for the different flight [00:07:33.440] conditions it’s in. [00:07:34.560] >> Now, for longtime viewers of my channel, [00:07:36.800] I have devoted a video to Lockheed [00:07:38.560] before. However, in my opinion, this [00:07:41.039] video is too short, too unfocused, and [00:07:43.440] underdeveloped. [00:07:45.199] So during today’s investigation, we will [00:07:47.599] not look to retread already covered [00:07:49.680] ground, but instead integrate my [00:07:51.919] previous work and analysis on Loheed [00:07:54.000] Martin in all of my prior projects into [00:07:57.280] new avenues, theories, and hypotheses, [00:08:00.080] specifically breaking new ground on [00:08:02.080] investigating Loheed Martin’s [00:08:03.680] involvement with UFO legacy program [00:08:05.759] operations, [00:08:07.280] as well as diving into Loheed’s history [00:08:09.440] and corporate structure that exists as a [00:08:12.000] complex web perfectly structured to [00:08:14.560] house highly classified carveout exotic [00:08:17.360] projects. [00:08:19.039] So just how deeply involved is Loheed [00:08:22.319] Martin in UFO legacy program operations? [00:08:26.160] How does Loheed’s role in clandestine [00:08:28.479] carveout R&D focused on technologies of [00:08:31.360] unknown origin differ or compare to [00:08:34.080] similar entities such as MITER and [00:08:35.839] Northrup Grumman? And what can we learn [00:08:38.880] from a 2010’s attempt by Lockheed to [00:08:41.760] actually divest itself from recovered [00:08:43.919] UFO materials through a PAP or [00:08:46.800] prospective special access program? [00:08:49.360] Well, join me today as we try and find [00:08:52.480] out [00:08:55.680] [Music] [00:09:15.360] While we attempt to neatly package my [00:09:17.680] previous work on Lockheed as well as [00:09:19.839] tread new ground, exploring new avenues [00:09:23.200] and identifying possible highlevel [00:09:25.360] locked UFO legacy program personnel. [00:09:28.640] Let’s take a step back and actually [00:09:30.560] analyze the corporate history and [00:09:32.480] structure of Lockheed to identify how [00:09:34.959] and why the largest defense contractor [00:09:38.240] in the world is to use a figure of [00:09:40.560] speech up to its eyeballs in UFO [00:09:43.200] technology and recovered hardware. [00:09:46.160] As I just mentioned, Loheed Martin is [00:09:48.640] the largest defense contractor in the [00:09:50.880] entire world, earning $64.65 $65 billion [00:09:55.760] in revenue in 2024 alone, outpacing its [00:09:59.360] closest competitor, Rathon, by over $20 [00:10:01.920] billion. [00:10:03.839] And a bit of an interesting side note [00:10:05.839] here, according to Bloomberg top 10 [00:10:08.080] defense contractors, nine out of the 10 [00:10:11.120] listed entities I have directly accused [00:10:13.680] of operating UFO legacy programs. [00:10:16.959] Rathon, Northrup Grumman, General [00:10:19.120] Dynamics, Boeing, L3 Harris [00:10:21.279] Technologies, Lados, Booze Allen, [00:10:23.200] Hamilton, and Amentum. [00:10:25.760] Lockheed’s name is thrown around with [00:10:27.920] such colossal contracts earned, money [00:10:30.320] gained or profits realized. At least I [00:10:33.040] have become somewhat desensitized to the [00:10:35.519] unfathomable [00:10:37.200] amounts of money that passes through [00:10:39.040] locked for federal contracts. [00:10:41.920] In fact, as recently as July 2025, [00:10:44.959] Breaking Defense published an article [00:10:46.880] titled, quote, Lockheed records 1.6 [00:10:50.480] billion in losses, most likely to [00:10:53.120] continued strife on classified arrow [00:10:55.440] program, end quote, detailing losses of [00:10:58.720] $950 million in the second quarter of [00:11:02.320] 2025 on the quote classified fixedpric [00:11:05.680] aeronautics program end quote. [00:11:09.040] Lockheed stated in a news release [00:11:10.959] regarding this loss. Quote, “This is a [00:11:14.079] highly classified program that can only [00:11:16.160] be described as a game-changing [00:11:18.079] capability for our joint US and [00:11:20.320] international customers and therefore it [00:11:23.040] is critical that it be successfully [00:11:24.959] fielded. With our enhanced oversight of [00:11:27.040] this program and rapid incorporation of [00:11:29.440] lessons learned, we expect to continue [00:11:32.000] to reduce risk over the next few years [00:11:34.480] as we move through key milestones of [00:11:36.720] this very advanced system.” end quote. [00:11:39.680] In normal words here, Loheed has a [00:11:42.399] really good reason for losing almost a [00:11:44.880] billion dollars. [00:11:46.880] And I am absolutely not connecting the [00:11:49.680] second quarter 2025 billion loss to UFO [00:11:53.360] legacy program operations. Indeed, I [00:11:56.320] personally believe this likely has more [00:11:58.240] to do with Lockheed losing out on the [00:12:00.399] ENGAD or next generation air dominance [00:12:03.120] fighter contracts given to Boeing. [00:12:05.680] Nevertheless, this article shows a [00:12:08.000] billion dollars is nothing to Loheed [00:12:10.639] Martin. [00:12:12.399] However, discussion of money is a good [00:12:14.560] opportunity to briefly discuss funding [00:12:16.800] avenues for UFO legacy programs. In [00:12:20.160] 2023, David Grush discussed [00:12:22.639] misappropriation of funds and IRAD being [00:12:25.920] utilized as a method to fund UFO legacy [00:12:28.720] program operations. [00:12:30.480] >> Well, so that how does I mean, I don’t [00:12:31.839] want to cut you off, but how does a [00:12:33.120] program like that get funded? [00:12:36.079] I will give you generalities. I can get [00:12:37.920] very specific in a close session. Uh but [00:12:40.240] a mis misappropriation of funds and uh [00:12:43.279] does that mean does that mean that there [00:12:45.360] is money in the budget that is said to [00:12:47.120] go to a program but it doesn’t and it [00:12:48.800] goes to something else? [00:12:49.600] >> Yes, I have specific knowledge of that. [00:12:50.880] Yep. [00:12:51.200] >> Do you think US corporations are over [00:12:53.120] overcharging for certain tech they’re [00:12:56.079] selling to the US government and that [00:12:57.600] additional money is going to programs? [00:12:59.600] >> Correct. through something called IRAD. [00:13:02.160] Regarding misappropriation of funds, I [00:13:04.639] have previously spoken of instances in [00:13:06.880] which Grumman Aerospace, the precursor [00:13:09.279] of Northrup Grumman, egregiously [00:13:12.079] overcharged the US Navy for everything [00:13:14.399] from socket wrenches to ashtrays and [00:13:16.720] connected these misappropriation of [00:13:18.720] funds to UFO legacy programs [00:13:21.760] along with various other contractors [00:13:24.000] overcharging the US Navy for near [00:13:26.320] billions of excess profits for submarine [00:13:29.120] creation. [00:13:30.720] But what is IRAD? mentioned by David [00:13:33.519] Grush prior. IRAD is a technical [00:13:36.320] research and development effort by [00:13:37.920] industry that is not sponsored by or [00:13:40.399] required in the performance of a [00:13:42.160] contract. [00:13:44.160] Such projects consist within basic R&D [00:13:47.279] applied R&D development and system and [00:13:50.079] other concept formulation studies. [00:13:52.240] quote, “Contractors can recover a [00:13:54.560] portion of their IRAD costs by including [00:13:57.040] them as an allowable indirect expense on [00:13:59.680] government contracts to the extent that [00:14:02.480] those costs are allocable and [00:14:04.399] reasonable. In addition, DoD permits [00:14:07.519] major defense contractors to include [00:14:09.680] allowable IRA costs as indirect expenses [00:14:13.120] on defense contracts to the extent that [00:14:15.279] the IRA activities are potentially of [00:14:18.480] interest to DoD.” End quote. [00:14:21.839] Basically, IRAD consists of R&D [00:14:24.480] activities conducted by private [00:14:26.399] contractors that have potential interest [00:14:28.720] to the DoD, aka Lockheed gets to do what [00:14:32.560] they want and build a DoD for it. In the [00:14:35.839] realm of UFO legacy program operations, [00:14:38.240] this allows Lockheed to freely pursue [00:14:40.480] classified operations without [00:14:42.240] traditional DoD oversight and build the [00:14:44.959] DoD for such work. And notice how I said [00:14:48.560] traditional channels. I strongly believe [00:14:51.120] though Lockheed may hide UFO funds [00:14:53.279] through IRAD, contractors still operate [00:14:56.079] such work under DoD special access [00:14:58.639] programs or intelligence community [00:15:00.639] controlled access programs under strict [00:15:02.880] oversightes of elements of DoD IC and [00:15:06.480] R&D masters federally funded research [00:15:09.040] and development centers. [00:15:11.360] In 2021 alone, Loheed Martin spent $1.5 [00:15:15.680] billion on IRAD. Lockheed has [00:15:18.800] historically pursued IRAD within its [00:15:21.120] advanced development programs, [00:15:22.959] infamously named the skunk works. [00:15:26.480] But these figures are puny, according to [00:15:29.120] former assistant secretary of housing [00:15:31.120] and urban development Katherine Austin [00:15:33.199] Fitz and her legendary 2004 paper, The [00:15:36.320] Black Budget of the United States. [00:15:39.519] Throughout the 21st century, Fitz and [00:15:41.680] her Solari report has identified dozens [00:15:44.320] and dozens of trillions of dollars spent [00:15:47.360] on the US black budget. Specifically, [00:15:50.720] Fitz has outlined 21 trillion possible [00:15:54.000] dollars in unauthorized spending in the [00:15:56.480] departments of defense and housing and [00:15:58.480] urban development from 1995 to 2015. [00:16:03.040] Much of this money on UFO related quote [00:16:05.839] unquote clandestine military R&D. [00:16:09.680] In the paper, Fitz writes, quote, “Large [00:16:12.560] proportion of the nation’s wealth is [00:16:14.480] being illegally diverted into secret, [00:16:16.880] unaccountable channels.” End quote. [00:16:20.079] While at the Department of Housing and [00:16:21.759] Urban Development, Fitz came across [00:16:23.759] evidence it/accounting systems providers [00:16:26.880] were responsible for the obuscation of [00:16:29.040] funds and omitting data where missing [00:16:31.279] DoD funds were directed. These included [00:16:34.720] IBM, Dinorp and SIC, Loheed Martin and [00:16:39.120] Loheed Martin information systems which [00:16:41.519] would later merge with LOS in 2015. [00:16:45.040] Now I do know what you’re probably [00:16:47.279] thinking. We are already getting way too [00:16:49.759] into Loheed Martin’s possible UFO [00:16:52.079] program funding mechanisms. And trust me [00:16:54.800] when I say there is quite a bit more [00:16:56.639] corporate structure here. But let’s now [00:16:59.040] take a step back and analyze the entire [00:17:01.680] history of Lockheed. [00:17:47.679] Today, Loheed Martin exists as the [00:17:50.480] premier defense contractor in the entire [00:17:52.880] world. And as of 2023, Loheed, Rathon, [00:17:56.880] General Dynamics, North of Grumman, and [00:17:58.799] Boeing, the big five US industrial-based [00:18:01.919] contractors, operate as prime [00:18:04.000] contractors on 74% [00:18:06.960] of the US Department of Defense’s major [00:18:09.360] defense acquisition programs. And as of [00:18:12.320] 2024, Lockheed’s total market [00:18:14.559] capitalization exceeded [00:18:17.039] 136.39 [00:18:18.799] billion. [00:18:20.480] and Lockheed comprised of over 122,000 [00:18:24.880] employees. [00:18:26.720] Lockheed really is the cornerstone [00:18:29.120] American defense and aerospace [00:18:30.799] manufacturer specializing in designing, [00:18:33.440] developing and manufacturing advanced [00:18:35.600] aerospace and defense systems critical [00:18:38.080] to the entire life cycle of such systems [00:18:40.640] from concepting to RDTn to application. [00:18:45.600] Loheed operates in four primary [00:18:47.919] divisions. Loheed Martin Aeronautics, [00:18:50.559] which houses the skunk works we will [00:18:52.400] touch on soon, comprising roughly 39% of [00:18:56.160] total company revenue. Aeronautics has [00:18:59.039] built several of the US’s most reliable [00:19:01.840] and advanced modern-day aircraft, [00:19:03.840] including the F-35 Lightning 2 strike [00:19:06.320] fighter, the C130 Hercules, the F-16 [00:19:09.840] Falcon, and the F-22 Raptor. The [00:19:12.799] engineering capabilities of this [00:19:14.480] division is absolutely mind-numbing. [00:19:18.240] Lockheed’s second major division is the [00:19:20.320] missile and fire control division which [00:19:22.480] accounts for roughly 18% of revenue. [00:19:25.760] Missiles and fire control has [00:19:27.360] constructed numerous SAM or [00:19:29.520] surfaceto-air missile systems, precision [00:19:31.840] strike missiles, AGM 114 Hellfire [00:19:35.280] missiles and much more while also [00:19:37.360] providing support services for US [00:19:39.600] special forces. [00:19:42.240] Lockheed’s third division rotary and [00:19:44.320] mission systems which accounts for [00:19:45.919] roughly 24% of revenue includes numerous [00:19:49.600] Sakorski helicopters such as the UH60 [00:19:52.559] Blackhawk and CH53 Super Stallion while [00:19:56.000] also this division constructs numerous [00:19:58.400] maritime platform such as the Aegis [00:20:00.720] combat system, latoral combat ships and [00:20:03.760] freedomclass latoral combat ships. [00:20:07.360] And Lockheed’s last division, space, [00:20:09.679] accounts for roughly 18% of revenue and [00:20:12.480] has achieved feats such as the Trident 2 [00:20:14.640] ballistic missile, Orion spacecraft, and [00:20:17.360] hypersonic weapons platforms. [00:20:20.480] The Loheed Martin we all know and love [00:20:22.799] today, the Loheed that sees 73% of its [00:20:26.400] revenue come from US government [00:20:28.080] contracts, arose from a 15 March 1995 [00:20:32.400] merger of the Loheed Corporation with [00:20:34.640] Martin Marietta. [00:20:37.039] The 1990s saw a drastic consolidation [00:20:40.480] period between US defense contractors. [00:20:43.919] Aerospace and defense prime contractors [00:20:46.000] shrank from 51 in total to only five. [00:20:49.840] Today, this trend continues due to quote [00:20:52.480] vertical and horizontal integrations and [00:20:54.960] the entry of private equity firms [00:20:57.120] performing roll-ups end quote. And I [00:21:00.080] have before analyzed Northrup’s [00:21:02.240] acquisitions of corporations such as TRW [00:21:04.960] and Teladine Ryan during this period and [00:21:07.600] related those transactions to [00:21:09.280] consolidating UFO legacy program [00:21:11.520] operations. So let’s do the same here [00:21:14.240] for Lockheed. [00:21:16.159] One half of our subject today, the [00:21:18.000] Lockheed Corporation was founded in 1926 [00:21:21.600] and quickly rose to prominence at the [00:21:23.679] beginning of World War II with [00:21:25.200] construction of the US Army Air Force [00:21:27.679] workhorse, the P38 Lightning. [00:21:31.039] In 1943, the Loheed Corporation founded [00:21:34.400] the now infamous Skunkworks, initially [00:21:37.120] housed at Lockheed’s Burbank, California [00:21:39.600] plant, which Jeremy Corbel just spoke [00:21:42.559] about. and skunk works is what I and [00:21:45.520] many UFO researchers wager is the [00:21:47.840] critical component of locked [00:21:49.520] hyperfocused on UFO legacy program [00:21:52.000] operations. [00:21:54.159] Skunkworks aka advanced development [00:21:57.120] programs was responsible for the locked [00:21:59.520] corporation’s most highly classified R&D [00:22:02.480] projects and exotic aircraft platforms [00:22:05.440] and performs the same operations for [00:22:07.520] Loheed Martin. Today, [00:22:10.000] Skunkworks now primarily resides at Air [00:22:12.559] Force Plant 42, a location I have [00:22:15.120] accused on several occasions as both [00:22:17.600] participating in UFO Legacy Program [00:22:19.760] operations, specifically RDT&E, of alien [00:22:23.840] reproduction vehicles, as well as [00:22:26.240] housing access to a complex network of [00:22:28.880] deep underground military bases in the [00:22:31.039] Antelopee Valley, California. [00:22:33.840] I have theorized this network in [00:22:35.840] question operates largely under Edwards [00:22:38.400] Air Force Base in China Lake and [00:22:40.480] connects to Lockheed’s infamous Helenale [00:22:42.720] radar cross-section range. More on that [00:22:45.679] later. [00:22:47.280] The Lockheed Skunk Works stands apart [00:22:49.280] from classified divisions of rival [00:22:51.360] aerospace companies such as Northrup’s [00:22:53.679] Advanced Technology Development Center [00:22:56.000] and Boeing Phantom Works due to the [00:22:58.240] incredible accomplishments of [00:23:00.000] Skunkworks. [00:23:01.760] The classified projects division began [00:23:03.840] with construction of the P-38 in 1939 [00:23:07.360] and also developed world famous aircraft [00:23:10.240] such as the U2, SR71 Blackbird, F-17 [00:23:15.280] Nighthawk, F-22 Raptor, and F-35 [00:23:18.320] Lightning 2. More modern-day, I believe [00:23:22.000] Skunkworks has served as an integral [00:23:24.159] piece of developing alien reproduction [00:23:26.320] vehicles such as the Flux Liner TR3B. [00:23:30.000] And if Ross Colart is correct, a [00:23:32.320] human-derived tic tac. Again, more on [00:23:35.280] that later. [00:23:37.919] >> How do you begin to measure the infinite [00:23:40.640] reaches of space? For tomorrowminded [00:23:43.760] engineers and other professionals, the [00:23:45.679] tools of measurement are knowledge, [00:23:48.080] intellect, imagination, and an infinite [00:23:51.039] curiosity. Martin Marietta wants [00:23:53.679] professionals of that caliber, the kind [00:23:55.600] that helped us fulfill our major role [00:23:57.600] with the Viking lander on the planet [00:23:59.520] Mars, who will help us now in vital [00:24:02.799] projects of exploration and [00:24:04.480] communication, solar energy, [00:24:08.240] spacecraft and launch systems to probe [00:24:11.520] the mysteries of the farthest stars. [00:24:15.919] And here on this imperfect Earth, [00:24:18.480] defense systems such as the MX missile [00:24:21.200] to protect the very freedoms that enable [00:24:23.360] us to be tomorrow-minded. [00:24:26.799] Martin Marietta Aerospace, a whole new [00:24:29.919] world of careers on Earth and beyond. [00:24:38.159] But let’s shift focus to the Martin [00:24:40.080] Marietta Company, which was founded in [00:24:42.080] 1961 with a heavy focus on tremendous [00:24:45.039] success in missile and space systems. [00:24:48.640] Founder Glenn L. Martin began securing [00:24:50.960] contracts with the Air Force in 1955 to [00:24:53.760] build ICBMs [00:24:55.679] or intercontinental ballistic missiles. [00:24:58.480] Martin Marietta built a swath of [00:25:00.640] advanced rockets and missiles, including [00:25:02.640] the Titan rocket family, Persing Missile [00:25:05.200] Family, Sprint Missile, and incredibly [00:25:07.360] cool FGM 148 Javelins. [00:25:11.039] Martin Marietta also pioneered several [00:25:13.679] vehicles for the US space race, the [00:25:15.919] Mellan spacecraft, Mars polar lander, [00:25:18.640] and Vikings 1 and two. Prior to its [00:25:22.320] merger with Loheed in 1955, Martin [00:25:24.880] Marietta made a series of acquisitions [00:25:27.039] in 93 that I believe saw the aerospace [00:25:30.400] corporation become entwined with the UFO [00:25:33.120] portfolio if it wasn’t already. For [00:25:35.919] example, in 1993, Martin Marietta [00:25:38.960] acquired GE or General Electric [00:25:41.600] Aerospace. [00:25:43.120] General Electric, on the other hand, has [00:25:45.120] for decades been implicated in UFO [00:25:47.679] programs. Interestingly, we can look to [00:25:50.400] the work of the legendary Leonard [00:25:52.000] Stringfield and his magnum opus UFO [00:25:54.799] crash retrieval status reports 1-7 where [00:25:57.840] we can read the secondhand report of one [00:26:00.640] Mrs. Smith. Smith claimed her father [00:26:03.919] under pseudonym Y served in World War II [00:26:06.880] and then worked as a milright for [00:26:08.640] General Electric. [00:26:10.720] Y was apparently sent to Wright [00:26:12.640] Patterson Air Force Base for special [00:26:14.480] work. Here, Wy was taken to an [00:26:17.200] underground installation where he worked [00:26:19.120] on what appeared to be a recovered [00:26:20.960] extraterrestrial craft. In a nearby [00:26:23.919] quote unquote morg, biologics were [00:26:26.559] stored that were described as short [00:26:28.480] humanoids that were small with large [00:26:30.799] heads and clammy skin similar to a [00:26:33.360] reptile. [00:26:35.120] I do believe I have tracked down this [00:26:37.200] now deceased engineer who retired in [00:26:39.440] 1982 and will be reaching out to his [00:26:41.840] family to respectfully learn more. [00:26:45.200] In 1993, Martin Marietta also acquired [00:26:48.400] General Dynamics Space Systems Division. [00:26:51.360] General Dynamics, of course, is another [00:26:53.600] corporation implicated in UFO Legacy [00:26:56.000] Programs, and one day I would also like [00:26:58.559] to make a video about them. And lastly, [00:27:02.080] and most important here in my opinion, [00:27:04.240] in 1993, Martin Marietta acquired [00:27:07.360] management contracts for Sandia National [00:27:09.840] Laboratories. [00:27:11.520] If you have watched even a single video [00:27:14.159] of mine, you will know Sandia is a usual [00:27:17.200] tricky customer of this channel. [00:27:20.320] I do however want to hold off speaking [00:27:22.559] on Sandia for just a few minutes and [00:27:24.880] talk about Sandia postmer merger with [00:27:27.440] Loheed and Martin Marietta. [00:27:30.400] And prior to their merger, both Lockheed [00:27:32.960] and Martin Marietta demonstrated a keen [00:27:35.279] interest in anti-gravity and [00:27:37.039] electrogravidic aka an exploration of [00:27:40.240] the relationship between gravity and [00:27:42.159] electromagnetism research. Take Thomas [00:27:45.360] Townsen Brown for example and his [00:27:47.440] proposed project Winterhaven to create [00:27:49.840] flying discs for the US military that [00:27:52.080] could travel in excess of 1,800 [00:27:55.679] mph. [00:27:57.360] I will not even try to do justice on T. [00:27:59.760] Townsen Brown. To learn more here, I [00:28:02.240] highly, and I mean highly suggest [00:28:05.039] watching Jesse Michael’s documentary, [00:28:06.960] which is one of the best produced pieces [00:28:08.799] in the UFO space I have ever seen. [00:28:12.320] In 1956, a special weapons study unit of [00:28:15.520] Aviation Studies International Limited [00:28:18.159] delivered an examination of [00:28:19.840] electrogravidic systems to Wright [00:28:21.679] Patterson Air Force Base, referring to [00:28:24.320] T. Townson Brown’s affforementioned [00:28:26.399] project Winter Haven. The report stated [00:28:29.440] the Glennel Martin company was confident [00:28:31.840] gravity control could be achieved in [00:28:34.240] sizable scales within years and General [00:28:37.520] Electric, Bell Labs, Sperry Rand, [00:28:40.000] Boeing, and the Loheed Corporation were [00:28:42.480] all working on anti-gravity rigs. [00:28:46.159] There are compelling arguments [00:28:47.600] anti-gravity technology was sequestered [00:28:49.919] to the world of blackbudget programs [00:28:52.080] around 1955 and 1956. [00:28:55.520] Another topic for another day, but [00:28:57.279] intriguing both Martin Marietta and the [00:28:59.360] Locky Corporation could have been [00:29:01.360] integral pieces here. [00:29:08.559] Let’s return now to the modern day. And [00:29:11.039] as I mentioned earlier, Loheed Martin is [00:29:13.440] a DIIB or defense industrial base [00:29:16.399] contractor [00:29:18.000] part of the network of organizations of [00:29:20.080] facilities and resources that provides [00:29:22.240] the US government particularly the [00:29:24.720] department of defense with defense [00:29:26.480] related materials, products and [00:29:28.480] services. [00:29:30.159] The defense industrial base in my [00:29:32.159] opinion allows us a perfect snapshot to [00:29:35.200] understand the very skeletal structure [00:29:37.760] of UFO legacy program operations. Quote, [00:29:41.360] “DIib encompasses a wide variety of [00:29:44.080] entities, including commercial firms [00:29:46.399] operated on a for-profit basis, [00:29:49.279] notfor-profit research centers in [00:29:51.360] university laboratories and [00:29:53.039] government-owned industrial facilities. [00:29:55.760] It provides everything from large [00:29:57.840] technologically sophisticated weapon [00:29:59.840] systems in highly specialized [00:30:02.000] operational support to general [00:30:04.559] commercial products and routine [00:30:06.320] services. By supplying and equipping the [00:30:09.360] armed services, the DIIB enables the [00:30:12.240] United States to execute national [00:30:14.240] strategy and develop, maintain, and [00:30:16.320] project military power. End quote. [00:30:20.159] Lockheed exists as a cornerstone entity [00:30:22.880] of the commercial sector of the defense [00:30:25.039] industrial base alongside FFRDC’s and [00:30:28.960] UARCs DoD laboratories and DoD ranges [00:30:32.640] and test facilities aka MRTFBS [00:30:37.120] or major range and test facility bases. [00:30:40.559] Let’s go ahead and break down each one [00:30:42.559] of these further starting with Lockheed [00:30:44.799] in the commercial sector. Recently in my [00:30:47.840] project on sic I discussed how [00:30:50.240] contractors such as sic and locked [00:30:52.880] Martin are eligible contractors under [00:30:55.039] the DoD’s corporate portfolio program. [00:30:58.799] This corporate portfolio program gives [00:31:01.039] defense industrial-based contractors [00:31:03.039] like sic and loheed Martin access to DoD [00:31:07.279] executives, scientists and management [00:31:09.679] with broad access to special access [00:31:12.320] program portfolios. [00:31:14.559] The corporate portfolio program [00:31:16.320] framework was established in 2020 under [00:31:19.039] then under secretary of defense for [00:31:21.039] acquisition and sustainment Ellen M. [00:31:23.440] Lord and in an almost comical sequence [00:31:26.880] of events Lord would join SEIC’s [00:31:29.840] advisory board in July of 2021. [00:31:33.840] And as I say in every single one of my [00:31:36.960] projects, I believe core components of [00:31:39.600] the DIB, specifically federally funded [00:31:42.720] research and development centers, [00:31:44.159] FFRDC’s, [00:31:45.919] and university affiliated research [00:31:47.679] centers, UARKs, are the missing critical [00:31:50.399] piece to any discussion of UFO legacy [00:31:53.679] program operations. [00:31:56.480] Have you ever flown in a jet, used GPS, [00:32:00.960] taken shelter from severe weather, [00:32:03.440] undergone cancer treatment, or marveled [00:32:06.240] at the Mars Rover? You probably didn’t [00:32:08.960] know it, but you were benefiting from [00:32:10.720] the ideas and achievements of FFRDC’s. [00:32:14.880] FFRDC stands for Federally Funded [00:32:17.679] Research and Development Center. FFRDC’s [00:32:21.360] are independent, notfor-profit [00:32:23.360] organizations. They support our nation [00:32:25.760] with a unique combination of technical [00:32:27.919] expertise and unbiased advice. Compared [00:32:31.279] to the government and industry, FFRDC’s [00:32:34.399] are small in size, but they have had [00:32:36.480] enduring impact. They develop [00:32:39.279] groundbreaking technologies, perform [00:32:41.679] in-depth analyses, and help the [00:32:43.600] government make cost-effective choices. [00:32:47.200] The first FFRDC’s began in the 1940s [00:32:50.559] following World War II. Back then, the [00:32:53.440] government agencies needed to build a [00:32:55.279] critical mass of science and technology [00:32:57.279] knowledge unavailable within their own [00:32:59.200] ranks or the commercial sector. [00:33:02.000] Those first FFRDC’s focus largely on [00:33:04.960] national security. FFRDC’s and UWARCS [00:33:08.720] are really two sides of the same coin. [00:33:11.279] Notfor-profit private sector [00:33:13.200] organizations that are established and [00:33:15.200] funded to meet special long-term [00:33:17.279] engineering, research, development, or [00:33:19.519] other analytic needs that cannot be met [00:33:22.159] as effectively by government or other [00:33:24.399] private sector resources. [00:33:27.039] FFRDC’s specifically consist of [00:33:29.840] workshops or laboratories to bring [00:33:31.919] extremely specialized unrivaled RDT&E to [00:33:36.000] defense industrial-based programs. [00:33:39.279] In my research, I exhaustively state [00:33:41.919] FFRDC’s are the missing link in United [00:33:45.360] States DoD/IC [00:33:47.679] and defense contractor UFO legacy [00:33:50.000] programs. Over the course of my work, I [00:33:53.120] have directly accused numerous FFRDC’s [00:33:56.559] as operating as program managers for UFO [00:34:00.159] legacy programs, [00:34:02.399] serving as subject matter experts and [00:34:05.200] R&D aces for UFO programs, allowing the [00:34:09.359] DoD/IC to retain a firm grasp over [00:34:12.800] technologies and keep sensitive program [00:34:15.119] information inhouse. only delegating [00:34:18.399] information, materials or access to [00:34:20.720] defense contractors on a strict need to- [00:34:23.280] know basis. [00:34:25.520] FFRDC’s in question here I have spoken [00:34:28.079] about prior include the MITER [00:34:29.919] Corporation, Aerospace Corporation, Rand [00:34:32.639] Corporation, Sandia National Labs, the [00:34:35.760] Center for Naval Analyses, Los Alamos [00:34:38.159] National Labs, Lawrence Liverour [00:34:40.079] National Labs, the National Biodense [00:34:42.800] Analysis and Countermeasures Center [00:34:44.560] managed by Battel, National Security [00:34:47.200] Engineering Center, Oak Ridge National [00:34:49.359] Labs, and many more. Now you may have [00:34:52.800] noticed multiple listings above ending [00:34:55.200] in labs. This is because numerous [00:34:58.240] FFRDC’s including Sandia, Lawrence, [00:35:00.960] Liverour, Los Alamos, Oakidge, and more [00:35:04.240] are sponsored by the Department of [00:35:06.000] Energy. [00:35:07.599] This allows such laboratories and sites, [00:35:10.000] if operating technologies of unknown [00:35:12.400] origin exploitation programs, which I [00:35:15.280] highly suspect they are, to enjoy [00:35:18.160] freedoms only entities attached to the [00:35:20.800] Department of Energy can enjoy. These [00:35:23.119] include harnessing DOE NEST or nuclear [00:35:26.320] emergency support teams and DOE SRT or [00:35:29.680] special response teams that I actually [00:35:32.480] believe were active on ground units in [00:35:35.040] the cases of Jonathan Wagant and Rodri [00:35:37.599] Castle respectively. [00:35:39.839] This also means any classified programs [00:35:42.320] at the sites can rest upon the 1954 [00:35:45.440] atomic energy agreement which has been [00:35:48.480] identified in the UAPDA legislation as [00:35:51.599] acting as a gatekeeping structure for [00:35:54.240] myriad UFO materials, knowledge, [00:35:56.720] artifacts, etc. Sequestering such into [00:36:00.640] the deepest bowels of United States [00:36:02.880] classification as quote transclassified [00:36:05.839] foreign nuclear information end quote. [00:36:09.280] Now, let’s take a pause here because I [00:36:11.520] do want to talk a little bit about both [00:36:13.760] Sandia and Oak Ridge FFRDC’s here. I [00:36:17.839] have talked about Sandia National Labs [00:36:19.680] earlier in this project as well as [00:36:21.760] numerous other projects as housing [00:36:23.760] recovered UFO craft in participating in [00:36:26.400] material exploitation projects. [00:36:29.359] I will not retread this research now, [00:36:31.920] but please feel free to explore any of [00:36:34.240] these projects on screen now. But [00:36:37.200] Oakidge, well, Oakidge is very [00:36:39.920] interesting. Oakidge is an FFRDC site [00:36:42.880] where disgraced former head of Arrow [00:36:44.880] Shan Kirkpatrick ran to in December [00:36:47.040] 2023, operating as chief technology [00:36:50.000] officer for defense and intelligence [00:36:51.839] programs. [00:36:53.200] >> It almost looks like Arrow operated as a [00:36:55.040] counter intelligence operation to get [00:36:56.960] people to come in, tell their stories, [00:36:58.800] and then discredit all of them. I I I [00:37:00.880] can’t imagine that any whistleblower or [00:37:02.800] witness will ever go to Arrow again [00:37:04.880] because of what happened under the first [00:37:07.040] director who’s now long gone but still [00:37:10.079] seems to act as the spokesperson for [00:37:11.839] that organization. [00:37:12.880] >> And I would say I would say Madam Chair, [00:37:14.720] maybe at some point we need to really [00:37:17.520] dig deep into Arrow. And I would [00:37:19.119] encourage us [00:37:19.680] >> Oh, I’d be happy to send maybe a [00:37:21.680] subpoena to Mr. Kilpatrick. [00:37:26.400] >> Mr. [00:37:28.079] Now, the following here is conjecture. I [00:37:30.960] cannot back this up with any researcher [00:37:33.280] data. However, I must say this. I have [00:37:36.480] spoken to sources intimately familiar [00:37:38.640] with Oak Ridge that have informed me [00:37:41.680] that two recovered nonhuman saucers [00:37:44.720] reside in an underground installation [00:37:46.960] below Oak Ridge. [00:37:49.119] These sources claim Oak Ridge is [00:37:51.440] integral to the study and exploitation [00:37:54.079] of technologies, specifically vehicles [00:37:56.720] of unknown origin, and that Oak Ridge is [00:38:00.240] a key piece of the defense industrial [00:38:03.119] base that operates in the construction, [00:38:05.839] design, and possible testing of alien [00:38:08.800] reproduction vehicles. And again, guys, [00:38:11.599] I cannot back up these statements, but [00:38:13.440] figured a little bomb like this would be [00:38:15.520] fun to discuss. [00:38:17.760] I mentioned Sandia and Oak Ridge because [00:38:20.079] of their intimate ties with Lockheed. [00:38:23.440] >> Oak Ridge is now managed by an LLC under [00:38:26.800] Battel Memorial Institute. If you don’t [00:38:29.760] know Battel, watch my video on them and [00:38:32.320] Dougway Proving Ground. Oakidge was [00:38:35.440] previously managed, however, by Loheed [00:38:37.760] Martin Energy Research Corp., a [00:38:39.920] subsidiary of Loheed Martin focused on [00:38:42.320] energy R&D. [00:38:44.560] And as of 1 May 2017, Sandia National [00:38:48.240] Labs acquired a new administrator, [00:38:50.640] National Technology and Engineering [00:38:52.640] Solutions of Sandia LLC, a subsidiary of [00:38:56.320] Honeywell International, Inc. Honeywell, [00:38:59.440] of course, received assets and divisions [00:39:01.599] from Sperry Rand that went defunct in [00:39:03.760] 1986. [00:39:05.520] Sperry Rand was mentioned alongside Bell [00:39:07.839] Labs as a contractor working on adapting [00:39:10.320] UFO technologies for human use by [00:39:12.800] Colonel Philip J. Corso of the US Army [00:39:16.400] Foreign Technology Division. Several [00:39:19.119] other companies besides Honeywell [00:39:20.960] received assets and divisions from [00:39:22.400] Sperry Rand. These included Rathon, [00:39:25.200] Northrup Grumman, and Loheed Martin. [00:39:28.800] But of note here, prior to a Honeywell [00:39:31.599] subsidiary, Sandia was administrated by [00:39:34.160] the Sandia Corporation, a subsidiary of [00:39:37.599] Loheed Martin. [00:39:39.920] From 1993 to 2017, Martin Marietta/Locky [00:39:44.720] Martin managed Sandia National Labs, [00:39:47.200] which is one of the most critical sites [00:39:49.200] in all of my own personal research. [00:39:52.480] After all, Air Force Master Sergeant [00:39:54.480] Edgar Fuche would state the reverse [00:39:56.560] engineered triangular alien reproduction [00:39:58.880] vehicle TR3B that began prototyping in [00:40:02.480] the 1970s up to its operational flights [00:40:05.359] in 1994 [00:40:07.119] whose program was contracted by [00:40:09.119] Lockheed, Boeing, Northrup, and Teladine [00:40:11.760] Ryan and managed by the NRO, NSA and CIA [00:40:16.000] saw its propulsion systems reverse [00:40:18.079] engineered from nonhuman craft by Sandia [00:40:20.960] National Labs in Lawrence Liverour [00:40:23.119] National Labs. [00:40:25.440] Quite a few interesting connections here [00:40:27.280] to make from Fuchcher’s statements. [00:40:29.760] Fuchcher stated Lockheed was a critical [00:40:32.000] contractor on TR3B and Sandia was part [00:40:34.960] responsible for reverse engineering [00:40:36.640] TR3B’s propulsion devices. It is [00:40:39.839] interesting then that Martin Marietta [00:40:41.760] took control of Sandia National Labs in [00:40:43.760] 1993. [00:40:45.520] Solely one year after in 1994, TR3B [00:40:49.520] allegedly left the prototyping stage [00:40:51.680] into operational stages. And solely one [00:40:54.800] year after that in 1995, Locky [00:40:57.280] Corporation and Martin Marriott emerged. [00:41:01.119] But there are even more wild parallels [00:41:03.520] to draw here, such as Fuchet stating [00:41:05.839] TR3B were often operated out of Edwards [00:41:09.040] Air Force Base by ACE test pilots of the [00:41:12.880] Edwards 412 test wing AFTC or Air Force [00:41:16.800] Flight Test Center. These statements by [00:41:19.440] Fuche relate closely to one witness I [00:41:22.400] hold in extremely high regard. And if [00:41:25.359] you’ve watched my channel before, you [00:41:26.960] will know what I’m going to say. Ed. Ed [00:41:30.400] retired as an Air Force Lieutenant [00:41:32.319] Colonel who graduated test pilot school [00:41:34.640] at the affforementioned AFTC [00:41:37.599] and operated an electronics warfare [00:41:39.680] group out of Edward’s 412 test group. Ed [00:41:43.280] claimed to serve as a strategic [00:41:45.280] debriefer for ARV pilots and ARV [00:41:48.319] scientists and would also claim when he [00:41:51.200] was briefed into the existence of this [00:41:52.960] ARV testing program that existed between [00:41:55.839] Edwards Air Force Base, Area 51 Groom [00:41:58.800] Lake and Area 51 S4 sometime between [00:42:02.560] 1998 and 2002. Boeing and Lockheed were [00:42:06.720] the two most critical contractors on [00:42:09.359] this program. [00:42:11.599] There exists an utterly fascinating [00:42:14.000] network to explore here. seen as I also [00:42:17.280] wager this ARV program that’s housed at [00:42:19.599] Edwards, Area 51 and S4 that’s operated [00:42:23.200] largely by the 412th Test Wing, Loheed [00:42:25.599] Martin, and perhaps various naval [00:42:27.359] departments and installations [00:42:29.599] is the exact same program that was [00:42:32.079] operating the enormous logicdeeing [00:42:34.560] triangle and black ops team US Marine [00:42:37.520] Corps Sergeant Rodrik Castle encountered [00:42:39.680] between the 2nd and 14th March 1997 [00:42:43.200] during the Hunter Warrior advanced [00:42:44.960] warfighting experience. experiment just [00:42:46.800] 45 mi southeast of the Edwards R2508 [00:42:50.880] restricted airspace. [00:42:53.440] You know, perhaps one day I will make a [00:42:55.680] whole video detailing my hypothesis on [00:42:58.000] the extensive alien reproduction vehicle [00:43:00.319] theory residing in the American [00:43:02.319] Southwest that involves numerous MRTFBs, [00:43:05.760] FFRDC’s, contractors, DOMS, Air Force [00:43:08.640] units, Navy units, and more. [00:43:12.720] And this bridges us perfectly into [00:43:15.119] discussing Lockheed’s involvement with [00:43:16.960] another pillarstone of the defense [00:43:18.960] industrial base. MRTFBS or major range [00:43:22.800] and test facility bases. [00:43:25.520] 23 such critical core DoD RDT&E [00:43:28.960] infrastructure sites exist that span [00:43:31.760] millions of acres in the continental [00:43:33.760] United States. Eight Army sites [00:43:36.640] including the West Desert Test Center [00:43:38.480] and Yuma Test Center. Six Navy sites [00:43:41.440] including Nawad Pax River and China [00:43:43.760] Lake, seven Air Force sites including [00:43:46.560] Edwards 412 Test Wing and the Nevada [00:43:48.880] Test and Training Range and Utah Test [00:43:50.800] and Training Range and two Defense [00:43:53.119] Agency sites including sites at Fort [00:43:55.040] Wuka, Arizona in Fort Me, Maryland. [00:44:04.960] The American War fighter, the heart of [00:44:07.599] the best trained and equipped military [00:44:10.160] force ever known. Our commitment to [00:44:12.960] these brave men and women through the [00:44:14.960] Department of Defense acquisition [00:44:16.640] process provides superior combat [00:44:19.200] capability to dominate the battle space. [00:44:22.400] The major range and test facility base [00:44:25.040] or MRTFB is the core set of DoD test and [00:44:29.280] evaluation installations, facilities, [00:44:31.760] and ranges, providing worldclass [00:44:34.160] capabilities. It’s an essential national [00:44:36.800] asset that guarantees our war fighters [00:44:39.520] can trust the systems they need to [00:44:41.680] prevail anytime, anywhere. [00:44:51.920] It is safe to assume Lohei Martin [00:44:54.079] performs advanced classified RDT&n work [00:44:57.119] at almost if not every single MRTFB [00:45:01.599] and that the overwhelming majority of [00:45:03.920] this work is just on standard prosaic [00:45:06.319] defense research and development [00:45:07.760] programs. [00:45:09.280] However, I do also believe that MRTFBs [00:45:12.319] serve as critical test and evaluation [00:45:14.560] sites for UFO legacy program operations, [00:45:17.839] ranging from storing recovered craft to [00:45:20.400] operating ARV vehicles. [00:45:23.920] Let’s briefly analyze Lockheed’s [00:45:25.839] involvement with a handful of select [00:45:27.680] MRTFBs I have covered in the past to see [00:45:30.079] how critical Loheed really is with these [00:45:32.720] critical cores. [00:45:35.280] As just mentioned, witness Ed claimed [00:45:37.839] Lohei Martin and Boeing were paramount [00:45:40.319] contractors to a joint ARV testing [00:45:42.560] program out of Edwards Air Force Base [00:45:45.119] and facilities surrounding Area 51 Groom [00:45:47.839] Lake. Lockheed performs critical work [00:45:51.119] between Edwards 412 Test Pilot School [00:45:53.520] and Air Force Plant 42, both of which [00:45:56.480] are located in and around the Antelopee [00:45:59.040] Valley, California. Loheed Martin, [00:46:01.680] specifically Skunk Works, is one of [00:46:03.760] three facilities alongside Boeing and [00:46:06.160] Northrup Grumman that has access to [00:46:08.640] plant 42’s unique government operated [00:46:11.280] airfield complex that sees collaboration [00:46:13.599] with pilots from the Edwards AFTC. [00:46:18.480] And interesting to note as well, Air [00:46:20.400] Force Plant 42 is one of four Air Force [00:46:23.359] plants situated throughout the United [00:46:25.200] States. That’s managed by the [00:46:27.599] acquisition, environmental, and [00:46:29.440] industrial facilities division at Wright [00:46:31.839] Patterson Air Force Base. If you are new [00:46:34.560] to this channel, I’m sure you likely [00:46:36.880] already associate Wright Patterson Air [00:46:38.960] Force Base with recovered UFOs. [00:46:42.160] And before we move on, we may as well [00:46:44.160] give a quick overview of my previous [00:46:46.079] investigations on Air Force Plant 42. I [00:46:49.920] have accused plant 42 as operating as an [00:46:52.560] integral piece to American Southwest UFO [00:46:55.520] RDT&E. [00:46:57.520] Nestled within the Antelopee Valley near [00:46:59.680] Edwards Air Force Base, the former [00:47:01.520] Norton Air Force Base, Lockheed and [00:47:03.520] Northrup’s radar cross-section ranges [00:47:06.480] and major areas of operations for the [00:47:08.560] locked skunk works and its lesserknown [00:47:10.640] competitors Boeing Phantom Works and [00:47:12.640] Northrup’s advanced technology [00:47:14.240] development center. I strongly believe [00:47:16.880] Plant 42 and its big three contractors [00:47:19.839] are a worthy pursuit to study UFO legacy [00:47:22.720] program operations. [00:47:24.960] Indeed, Plant 42 and Norton Air Force [00:47:27.520] Base have become critical pieces of the [00:47:29.839] firstirhand testimony of Brad S. and the [00:47:32.880] secondhand testimony of Mark McKandal [00:47:35.280] regarding the Flux Liner alien [00:47:37.200] reproduction vehicles. Viewers of my [00:47:40.079] channel know that I hold this case in [00:47:42.480] extremely high regard. Amidst the [00:47:45.520] numerous death threats from Brad, there [00:47:47.520] is quite a tremendous amount of valuable [00:47:49.440] data to chew on with the Flux Liner [00:47:51.680] encounter. I will not waste my time [00:47:54.480] milling over the details here, but [00:47:56.560] recall variances in testimony regarding [00:47:58.880] the firsthand witness Brad S. informing [00:48:01.680] Aviation Week in Space Technology senior [00:48:04.000] editor Bill Scott that the three flux [00:48:06.720] liner flying saucers were shown in a [00:48:08.960] special classified section of the now [00:48:10.960] defunct Norton Air Force Base in 1988. [00:48:14.240] And Mark McCandal stated shortly before [00:48:16.400] his death in 2021, Brad and other [00:48:19.440] high-value targets were actually flown [00:48:21.839] from Norton to plant 42 to be shown the [00:48:24.559] flux liner ARVs. [00:48:26.880] These people were all um in this group [00:48:30.079] of u dignitaries, both military and [00:48:33.280] civilian, that got on a um military [00:48:36.800] version of the Boeing 727 and they flew [00:48:38.960] from Norton Air Force Base up to Air [00:48:41.280] Force Plan 42 [00:48:43.440] uh which is um uh in Palmdale. Um a lot [00:48:48.319] of people just consider it the Palmdale [00:48:50.079] airport. It was actually a facility that [00:48:51.920] was built from what I understand by [00:48:54.800] Lockheed back in the 1960s and the [00:48:57.680] hanger that is now serving as a skunk [00:49:00.240] works hanger was the original [00:49:01.520] construction site for the L1011 Lockheed [00:49:04.640] Strike Tristar airliner. [00:49:07.839] >> Regarding this case, I am still trying [00:49:09.760] to resolve this piece of the puzzle. I [00:49:12.000] have come to the conclusion Brad S was [00:49:14.000] likely far more involved in the Flux [00:49:16.160] Liner story. In my opinion, Brad S. [00:49:19.280] likely worked on design or various [00:49:21.280] systems of the craft and leaked details [00:49:23.280] to his good friend Mark McCandish for [00:49:25.359] unknown reasons. If Brad S doesn’t make [00:49:28.559] good on his death threats, I really will [00:49:30.559] try to get to the bottom of this case. [00:49:33.040] But let’s move on with Loheed’s [00:49:35.040] interactions with elements of DIIB. Now, [00:49:38.160] specifically MRTFBs I’ve accused of [00:49:40.720] involvement in UFO legacy program [00:49:42.640] operations. [00:49:44.240] And I would here like to narrow in on [00:49:46.319] the Nevada Test and Training Range, [00:49:48.319] formerly known as the 98th Range Wing. [00:49:51.599] Another MRTFB Ed claimed was involved in [00:49:54.480] Joint Air Force, American Southwest, and [00:49:56.800] Lockheed ARV programs. [00:50:00.160] The mission of NTR is to provide the US [00:50:03.280] war fighter a quote flexible, realistic [00:50:05.839] and multi-dimensional battle space to [00:50:07.920] conduct testing tactics development and [00:50:10.800] advanced training in support of US [00:50:12.880] national interests end quote and another [00:50:15.280] quote. As a major range test and [00:50:17.839] facility base activity, the NTR supports [00:50:20.960] the Department of Defense’s advanced [00:50:22.880] composite force training, tactics [00:50:24.960] development, and electronic combat [00:50:26.800] testing, as well as DoD and the [00:50:29.440] Department of Energy Testing, research, [00:50:31.520] and development. The NTR hosts numerous [00:50:35.200] red flag and US Air Force Weapon School [00:50:37.599] exercises each year, as well as various [00:50:40.400] test and tactics development missions.” [00:50:42.640] End quotes. NTR itself houses numerous [00:50:46.800] air force bases and DoD facilities [00:50:49.440] including acknowledged sites such as [00:50:51.359] Nellis Air Force Base, Area 51 Groom [00:50:54.400] Lake, operated by a detachment of the [00:50:56.400] Edwards 412th Test Wing MRTFB and the [00:50:59.040] Tonapa test range. [00:51:02.480] Numerous alleged sites are said to [00:51:05.040] reside on the NTR that deal with UFO [00:51:08.160] programs such as S4 near Papoose Lake in [00:51:12.000] myriad smaller bases connected to a [00:51:14.240] network of deep underground military [00:51:16.079] bases that serve to train clandestine [00:51:19.440] UFO crash retrieval teams. And I do hope [00:51:22.400] I can explore this point further another [00:51:24.240] time. Of course, Locky does tremendously [00:51:28.079] important work on the NTR, such as [00:51:30.800] participating in the yearly red flag [00:51:33.119] advanced aerial combat training [00:51:34.880] exercises hosted at Nellis Air Force [00:51:37.040] Base, Nevada, where Lockheed has [00:51:39.280] historically worked with DoD and IC [00:51:41.839] agencies such as the NGA to maximize US [00:51:45.680] warf fighter potential. [00:51:47.839] But believe it or not, I want to zoom in [00:51:50.319] on the NTR, not S4 Area 51 Groom Lake or [00:51:54.800] any similar site, but to the Tonipa test [00:51:57.520] range. [00:52:09.359] In 1957, Sandia Corporation established [00:52:12.480] Tonapa test range in Nevada as a place [00:52:15.040] for the Atomic Energy Commission to test [00:52:17.040] ballistics and non-nuclear features of [00:52:19.680] atomic weapons. 60 years and many [00:52:22.960] upgrades later, the range has a similar [00:52:25.359] primary mission. I would now like to [00:52:27.680] take the time to publicly accuse Air [00:52:30.079] Force and Department of Energy Tonap [00:52:32.480] test range, also sometimes known as Area [00:52:35.119] 52. And yeah, I know not Dougway proving [00:52:38.079] ground in this instance. As an RDT&n [00:52:41.040] site that operates UFO crash retrieval [00:52:43.680] and material exploitation programs and [00:52:47.119] at least prior to 2017, Tonipa and its [00:52:50.800] operations were run by Loheed Martin. [00:52:54.640] Let me explain. Tonipa test range like [00:52:57.760] Area 51 Groom Lake is operated by a [00:53:00.400] detachment of the Edwards 412th test [00:53:02.720] wing. However, due to the classified [00:53:05.520] nature of Tonipa’s operations, [00:53:07.599] personnel, commanders, etc. are [00:53:10.000] classified. [00:53:11.760] Tonipa appears as a mini Area 51, [00:53:14.800] featuring a primary airfield, runway, [00:53:16.960] and numerous hangers with about four [00:53:19.119] minor quote unquote abandoned airfields [00:53:21.839] existing on the Tonapa range. [00:53:26.160] Area 52 here resides on the highly [00:53:28.720] restricted and secretive northern area [00:53:30.880] of the NTR, [00:53:32.960] part of the Great Basin Desert that lies [00:53:35.119] mostly within the Cactus Flat Valley. [00:53:37.839] The population near Tonipa is incredibly [00:53:40.480] sparse with the nearby town of the same [00:53:42.559] name housing only 1,938 [00:53:45.599] people as of 2023. [00:53:48.160] Officially, quote, Tonipa is the test [00:53:51.040] range of choice for all national [00:53:52.800] security missions. Tonipa test range TTR [00:53:56.319] provides research and development test [00:53:58.240] support for the Department of Energy’s [00:53:59.839] weapons programs. The range also offers [00:54:03.119] a unique test environment for use by [00:54:05.599] other government agencies and their [00:54:07.599] contractors. End quote. And yeah, that’s [00:54:11.040] right. Tonipa exists as a classified [00:54:14.160] restricted military installation of the [00:54:16.240] DoD and Department of Energy [00:54:19.040] which began in 1957 as a DOE weapons [00:54:22.720] program range managed by Sandia National [00:54:25.760] Laboratories. [00:54:27.839] Now remember, we just talked about [00:54:29.920] Sandia, but in case you forgot, I urge [00:54:32.400] you to remember that this federally [00:54:34.160] funded research and development center [00:54:36.160] is an integral piece of my channel that [00:54:38.319] I speak about ranging all the way from [00:54:40.319] discussing UFO retrieval operations with [00:54:43.280] the interplanetary phenomenon unit in [00:54:45.520] 1947 to involvement in operating on the [00:54:48.880] TR3B ARV from the 1970s onward. And [00:54:52.960] remember that Sandia was up to 2017 [00:54:56.720] administrated by the Sandia Corporation, [00:54:59.040] a subsidiary of Loheed Martin. [00:55:02.319] This means from 1993 when Martin [00:55:04.960] Marietta acquired contract management [00:55:06.880] for Sandia National Labs all the way up [00:55:09.200] until 2017, Loheed Martin managed this [00:55:13.040] extremely sensitive range focused on [00:55:15.520] Department of Energy weapons testing [00:55:17.440] occupied by the Edwards 412 test wing [00:55:20.240] MRTFB. [00:55:22.400] In fact, beginning in 2007, Lockheed [00:55:25.599] radio telemetry data at the Tonipa test [00:55:28.079] range was detected between the TTR.7 [00:55:31.680] mi west from the south end of the runway [00:55:33.839] to be specific and 1011 Lockheed Way, [00:55:37.680] building 601 in Palmdale, California. [00:55:41.599] Seeing as Loheed Martin Aeronautics [00:55:43.599] Corporation residing in Palmdale, [00:55:45.359] California in the Antelopee Valley is [00:55:47.280] home to the skunk works advanced [00:55:48.960] development division. I think it is [00:55:51.200] quite safe to say whatever Loheed was [00:55:53.200] doing at Tonipa required Lockheed’s [00:55:55.520] sharpest engineers operating in the [00:55:58.000] classified deepixed sap world. Indeed, [00:56:02.079] Lockheed’s F-17 Nighthawk, designed out [00:56:05.280] of skunk works, initially operated and [00:56:07.760] tested in secret at Tonipa for almost a [00:56:10.720] decade. But let’s really dive in here to [00:56:13.760] see what connections we can make between [00:56:15.440] Tonipa and UFO Legacy Program [00:56:17.680] operations. [00:56:19.359] The only UFO researcher I have seen make [00:56:22.160] such a connection before, and he did so [00:56:24.319] in reference to leaked information given [00:56:26.400] to him, is the legend Richard Dolan. In [00:56:29.760] 2021, Dolan detailed information leaked [00:56:32.480] to him from a source familiar with the [00:56:34.240] classified UAP task force report [00:56:36.720] presented to Congress. The classified [00:56:39.599] report apparently discussed energy pulse [00:56:42.079] propulsion systems, ion propulsion [00:56:44.720] systems, anti-gravity propulsion [00:56:46.960] systems, antimatter propulsion systems, [00:56:49.680] ramjet hydrogen propulsion systems, [00:56:51.920] compressed nuclear propulsion systems, [00:56:54.319] and advanced uses of exotic elements for [00:56:56.960] energy research dealing with recovered [00:56:59.359] nonhuman technologies. [00:57:01.920] According to Dolan source, these highly [00:57:04.400] classified projects were spearheaded by [00:57:06.559] DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research [00:57:08.880] Project Agency, and managed by a [00:57:11.599] classified group called Advanced Group [00:57:13.839] Six. [00:57:15.359] This source stated all funding for these [00:57:17.440] projects are black budget confidential [00:57:19.680] funds and some come from private [00:57:22.319] contractors themselves, aka what we [00:57:25.200] spoke about earlier, IRAD. [00:57:27.920] prototyping of these crafts utilizing [00:57:30.160] the above technology including platforms [00:57:33.440] leveraging exotic nonhuman materials and [00:57:36.319] systems according to this source are [00:57:39.119] flown out of Area 51 and Tonapa test [00:57:42.720] range. The source stated these craft [00:57:45.200] were operated solely within the Nevada [00:57:47.520] test and training range which actually [00:57:49.760] does comport with the testimony of Ed. [00:57:53.040] >> I want to talk about that as well. I I [00:57:54.640] want to share with you information that [00:57:56.720] was leaked to me just about an hour [00:57:58.799] before I went live. All right? And [00:58:01.119] that’s why I had to work this in. So, [00:58:02.319] it’s a it’s a statement. I’m going to [00:58:03.680] show it to you and I’m going to read it [00:58:05.200] and I’m going to talk a little bit about [00:58:06.480] it. So, this is [00:58:09.839] a uh the text of what was sent to me [00:58:12.640] just a little while ago. I’m going to [00:58:15.119] read it. So, this was not written by my [00:58:17.760] source. This was written to my source, [00:58:20.079] which was then sent to me. [00:58:23.280] All these highly classified projects are [00:58:26.000] under the control of the Defense [00:58:27.760] Advanced Research Project Agency, DARPA, [00:58:30.960] and being managed by a classified group [00:58:33.760] called Advance Group Six. Advance Group [00:58:38.480] Six. [00:58:40.000] All funding for these projects is black [00:58:42.400] confidential funds appropriated under [00:58:45.359] intelligence operations costs. Some [00:58:48.640] funds come from private contractors. [00:58:51.520] That’s interesting. And then listen [00:58:53.920] carefully to this part. [00:58:56.240] Prototypes of flying crafts utilizing [00:58:59.280] the above technology are being flown at [00:59:02.480] Area 51 and Tonapa Air Force Base test [00:59:05.359] range. Some of the UAPs observed in and [00:59:08.799] around Nevada can be, and this is I [00:59:11.440] think a mistaken word, they say [00:59:13.839] contributed, and I think the author [00:59:15.680] means to say attributed. So I’m going to [00:59:17.599] read it correctly. Some of the UAPs [00:59:20.000] observed in and around Nevada can be [00:59:21.760] attributed to crafts using the above [00:59:24.559] propulsion systems. However, and listen [00:59:28.240] carefully to this please, none of the [00:59:30.400] experimental crafts have flown outside [00:59:33.040] the Nellis test and training range. Seen [00:59:36.000] as Lockheed managed Sandia that ran [00:59:38.240] Tonipa just four years between this 2021 [00:59:41.280] and rumored classified 2021 report. This [00:59:45.119] directly implies Lockheed was involved [00:59:47.359] in both RDT&E of these craft and funding [00:59:50.559] these programs through IRAD. But this [00:59:53.680] advanced group six here I can find [00:59:56.319] nothing about them. If you watching have [01:00:00.079] anything to add here regarding advanced [01:00:02.240] group 6, please by all means let me [01:00:04.799] know. [01:00:06.319] But back to Lockheed in the history of [01:00:08.240] Tonipa. Recall that Tonapa is the test [01:00:11.359] range of choice for all security [01:00:13.359] missions. [01:00:15.040] Sandia and formerly Lockheed out here [01:00:17.200] conduct missions in direct support of [01:00:19.040] the Department of Energy’s weapons [01:00:20.720] programs. Alongside DOE, Tonapa Range [01:00:24.559] also offers a quote unique test [01:00:26.880] environment for use by other US [01:00:29.200] government agencies and their [01:00:30.559] contractors end quote. Other clandestine [01:00:33.680] and secretive program activities at TTR [01:00:36.319] include robotics testing and [01:00:38.000] development, smart transportation [01:00:40.480] related testing, aka pre-programmed/ [01:00:43.760] remotecontrolled air and ground [01:00:45.520] vehicles, infrared tests and rocket [01:00:48.799] development testing and deployment. [01:00:51.839] TTR consists of land supporting [01:00:54.160] personnel barracks, one major and [01:00:56.319] several minor airfields, admin and range [01:00:59.280] control offices, emergency services, [01:01:01.760] vehicle maintenance shops, facilities [01:01:03.920] maintenance shops, fuel storage areas, [01:01:06.880] classified storage depots, and if my [01:01:09.119] understanding is correct, a deep [01:01:11.200] underground military base. [01:01:14.559] Of course, in my work, I have [01:01:16.480] traditionally referred to Douggeway [01:01:18.000] Proving Ground as Area 52. After all, [01:01:21.520] this over 1,500 square mile site housing [01:01:25.599] both the West Desert Test Center and [01:01:27.599] sections of the Utah Test and Training [01:01:29.760] Range, MRTFBs, [01:01:32.000] has been accused of continuing on the [01:01:34.079] legacy of select UFO programs [01:01:36.880] originating from Area 51 Groom Lake. I [01:01:40.640] strongly believe Douggeway engages in [01:01:42.880] contractor-led UFO Legacy programs both [01:01:45.920] above ground near the Avery section of [01:01:48.720] the West Desert Test Center and in an [01:01:51.440] enormous subterranean facility located [01:01:54.079] under Granite Peak. I can’t recommend [01:01:57.280] enough checking out my Dougway project. [01:01:59.599] It is one of my all-time favorite [01:02:01.359] projects and there is so much to chew on [01:02:03.599] there. [01:02:04.880] But outside of Dougway, Tonupa here is [01:02:07.599] also known as Area 52 and sometimes even [01:02:10.799] Area 54. [01:02:13.440] In fact, TTR was referred to as Area 52 [01:02:17.200] as early as 1957 in atomic energy [01:02:20.640] commission maps and we can even find [01:02:23.599] 1997 documents from the DOE specifically [01:02:26.960] referring to Tonipa as area 52. [01:02:30.640] Now mention of the Atomic Energy [01:02:32.880] Commission, Tonapa’s founding entity is [01:02:35.359] quite critical here. Tonipa arose from [01:02:38.559] 1950s Atomic Energy Commission efforts [01:02:40.960] to survey for an ideal site for [01:02:42.960] permanent ballistics test ranges for [01:02:45.119] unarmed nuclear weapon shapes. Funny [01:02:48.319] enough, the site for Tonipo was [01:02:50.160] eventually recommended in 1956 by the [01:02:52.960] Naval Air Special Weapons Facility, [01:02:55.599] which is now known as the NAWCWD, [01:02:59.119] Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons [01:03:01.119] Division, which is primarily located at [01:03:04.160] China Lake. Another usual suspect of [01:03:06.880] this channel. [01:03:09.119] Remember how I often state as I did [01:03:11.359] earlier in this project, the Atomic [01:03:13.359] Energy Commission has highly likely used [01:03:16.240] the 1954 Atomic Energy Agreement to [01:03:19.039] black hole and sequester UFO legacy [01:03:21.680] program operations into the deepest of [01:03:24.480] deep six programs under quote unquote [01:03:27.359] transclassified foreign nuclear [01:03:29.520] information. [01:03:31.839] One really must wonder if perhaps China [01:03:34.559] Lake in the Atomic Energy Commission [01:03:36.880] chose such an isolated and classified [01:03:39.680] location to work on AEC and successor [01:03:42.880] agency’s UFO legacy program operations. [01:03:47.119] Perhaps areas like the classified [01:03:49.200] storage area surrounded by a double row [01:03:51.520] of barbed wire in the already highly [01:03:54.000] secured northern NTR at Tonipa store [01:03:57.119] more than just weapons. [01:04:00.079] Though TTR is a range managed by Edwards [01:04:03.039] 412th Test Wing and the Nevada Test and [01:04:05.359] Training Range, formerly known as the [01:04:07.440] 98th Range Wing, which are two Air Force [01:04:10.640] MRTFBs, [01:04:12.319] the Navy seemed to take more than a keen [01:04:14.640] interest in Tonipa than just allowing [01:04:17.119] China Lake to suggest a site. [01:04:20.240] In fact, in the early days of Tonapa, [01:04:22.559] the Naval Air Special Weapons Facility [01:04:24.960] began conducting special weapons testing [01:04:27.280] on the TTR in conjunction with the [01:04:29.359] Atomic Energy Commission. This mission [01:04:32.319] expanded its focus from just equipping [01:04:34.480] naval aircraft with nuclear weapon [01:04:36.400] capabilities to encompassing air, [01:04:39.359] surface, and subsurface launched nuclear [01:04:41.599] weapons, including the Polaris, [01:04:44.000] Poseidon, and Trident submarine launched [01:04:46.559] ballistic missile systems. [01:04:49.119] If you recall the Polaris submarine [01:04:51.200] program, this project was spearheaded by [01:04:54.079] Admiral William F. Rayborn, who would go [01:04:56.480] on to serve on the board of directors of [01:04:58.799] both Wacken Hut and SIC. [01:05:02.799] Chief scientist of special projects to [01:05:04.880] the Navy, John Pñena Craraven would [01:05:07.280] state in 1965 [01:05:09.760] he was briefed into one project sand [01:05:12.000] dollar after being tasked with [01:05:13.760] spearheading the 1964 deep submergence [01:05:16.960] systems project. that saw the Navy [01:05:19.920] drastically improve deep sea engineering [01:05:22.640] and exploration capabilities. [01:05:25.359] Craraven here would state the DSSP [01:05:28.319] operated to satisfy the whims of [01:05:30.640] affforementioned sand dollar, a [01:05:32.960] clandestine, highly compartmentalized [01:05:35.280] project that was tasked to retrieve [01:05:37.280] militarily sensitive hardware and other [01:05:39.599] items with national security importance [01:05:42.480] from the seafloor of the continental [01:05:44.559] shelf in deep marine environments. [01:05:47.839] And in the past I have directly [01:05:49.839] associated sand dollar with maritime UFO [01:05:53.039] crash retrieval operations. [01:05:56.000] In fact the acknowledged principal craft [01:05:58.880] created under DSSP [01:06:01.200] DSRV or deep submergence rescue vehicles [01:06:04.160] mystic and Avalon were after all created [01:06:07.520] by Lheed. [01:06:09.760] However, Craraven stated sand dollar was [01:06:11.839] nestled within a complex web of programs [01:06:14.559] itself hidden within the Polaris program [01:06:16.960] that was actually conducted at Tonipa. [01:06:20.240] Naval operations ceased at Tonipa in [01:06:22.480] 1993 and shortly after Loheed Martin [01:06:25.200] took charge of operations at the range. [01:06:28.400] There are theories here that are quite [01:06:29.920] interesting to me. Locky created [01:06:32.480] undersea submersibles to satisfy a deep [01:06:35.039] ocean engineering project sand dollar [01:06:37.760] that I wager was tasked with retrieving [01:06:40.079] underwater UFOs. This program was hidden [01:06:43.359] within the Polaris program under Admiral [01:06:45.680] Rayborn which was conducting testing [01:06:48.160] operations at Tonipa, a clandestine [01:06:51.200] atomic energy commission Sandia National [01:06:53.359] Lab site Lockheed would command [01:06:55.359] administration of shortly after Navy [01:06:57.680] ceased operations at the range. [01:07:00.880] Mysteries surrounding Tonipa are [01:07:02.559] plentiful, and I’ve at least learned [01:07:04.640] from private conversations that Tonipa [01:07:06.799] is where quite a bit of the quote [01:07:08.799] unquote interesting stuff is stored. [01:07:12.640] Just what sort of clandestine operations [01:07:15.039] did Loheed engage with in its near 22 [01:07:18.000] years administrating Sandia National [01:07:20.000] Labs and Tonapa? Could Lockheed have [01:07:23.039] spearheaded and funded through IRAD much [01:07:25.680] of the alleged leaked information [01:07:27.680] detailed by Richard Dolan that [01:07:29.680] apparently is conducted at the range. [01:07:33.440] And last thing here for all my Area 51 [01:07:36.400] S4 afficionados, Tonipa actually [01:07:39.200] contains its own acknowledged site 4. [01:07:43.119] Indeed, we can reference the undated, [01:07:45.440] unclassified Sandia TTR map shown on [01:07:48.319] screen earlier, and we can zoom into the [01:07:50.319] east TTR to observe two, possibly three [01:07:53.839] locations labeled as site 4. This [01:07:57.039] specific area of TTR is managed by the [01:07:59.839] Air Force 554th Range Squadron in [01:08:02.720] support of the Tonipa Electronic Combat [01:08:05.200] Range. If an Air Force range squadron [01:08:08.240] sounds familiar, I have previously [01:08:10.400] implicated the 388th Range Squadron of [01:08:13.200] the UTR as participating in Dougway [01:08:16.159] proving ground UFO legacy program [01:08:18.319] operations. [01:08:19.839] On the map, we can see in Roman numerals [01:08:22.319] site 4, an additional marker S4, and one [01:08:25.839] last marker TEWR or Tonapa electronic [01:08:29.600] warfare range, HQ compound site, and [01:08:33.440] either S4 or 54. I personally believe [01:08:37.279] this label clearly shows 54 in reference [01:08:40.319] to Area 54, but some still argue this [01:08:43.359] text displays S4. According to [01:08:46.640] Otherhand, a fantastic now defunct blog, [01:08:49.759] workers in TTR were permitted and [01:08:52.239] perhaps even encouraged to live in [01:08:54.719] nearby communities outside of the Tonapa [01:08:57.199] range. Site 4 employees, however, were [01:09:00.640] required to utilize commuter flights [01:09:02.640] from Las Vegas, aka the illustrious and [01:09:05.920] mysterious red striped Janet Airlines [01:09:09.600] that flew employees directly to Area 51 [01:09:12.799] and Tonapa. In fact, we can even see a [01:09:15.520] Janet airliner in this clip here. [01:09:18.880] Other hand states site 4 employees being [01:09:21.520] required to transit to Tonapa via Janet [01:09:24.880] speaks to the secrecy of site 4 in the [01:09:27.440] already highly secretive TTR. [01:09:30.719] While no direct reports have come from [01:09:32.799] Tonapa site 4 regarding UFO legacy [01:09:35.679] programs, the private sources who [01:09:38.239] informed me Tonipa stores quite a number [01:09:41.120] of the quote unquote interesting stuff [01:09:44.080] also claim that Tonapa Site 4 is [01:09:46.560] directly involved in UFO operations. [01:09:50.560] Over the years, some have tried to claim [01:09:52.640] Bob Lazar ripped site 4 from Tonipa to [01:09:55.360] construct a fantasy regarding the Area [01:09:57.520] 51 auxiliary site built into the side of [01:10:00.560] the mountains resting on Papoose dry [01:10:02.880] lake bed. I personally do not agree with [01:10:06.480] this assessment at all, as I am quite [01:10:09.199] confident that Area 51S4 is indeed a [01:10:12.640] very real site near or exactly where Mr. [01:10:16.400] Lazar claims it resides and does indeed [01:10:19.920] feature hangers disguised to appear as [01:10:22.400] local terrain. [01:10:28.800] During the course of our investigation [01:10:30.480] today, we have already talked so much [01:10:32.719] about Lockheed Skunkworks, also known as [01:10:35.840] the Advanced Development Programs [01:10:37.600] Division, infamously regarded for its [01:10:40.239] highly classified efforts to develop [01:10:42.239] some absolutely stunning aircraft, [01:10:45.040] aerospace, and national security [01:10:46.880] technologies. [01:10:48.560] Such platforms include the F-17 [01:10:51.280] Nighthawk, SR71 Blackbird, U2 spy plane, [01:10:55.040] F-35 Lightning 2, F-22, and much more. [01:10:59.600] Skunkworks, operating largely out of Air [01:11:02.080] Force plant 42, has also been accused [01:11:05.360] for decades of designing, engineering, [01:11:08.159] and constructing alien reproduction [01:11:10.560] vehicles. [01:11:12.640] Now, I know I harp on him quite a bit, [01:11:15.040] but one area in which I very much agree [01:11:17.679] with Dr. Steven Greer is where he claims [01:11:20.560] the Lockheed Skunk Works operates out of [01:11:22.800] Air Force Plant 42 and Helenale Loheed [01:11:25.520] radar cross-section facility in a joint [01:11:27.840] network of UFO Legacy Program [01:11:29.840] facilities. What is this name of the [01:11:32.080] place you were talking, man? I want to [01:11:33.280] go to the Jake Barber clip. What is the [01:11:34.800] name of the place? The Antio Lock. That [01:11:37.199] picture that you showed, what’s the name [01:11:38.480] of it if Rob wanted to just search for [01:11:40.159] it? Well, this is the um I think the [01:11:43.520] Howland. It’s the Well, it’s just the [01:11:45.440] Loheed Skunk Works test range. [01:11:47.760] >> Lockheed concourse [01:11:49.679] >> skunk works. Loheed skunk works. So, [01:11:52.320] it’s an RCS r. It’s a range where they [01:11:54.400] test. And I have some other images we [01:11:56.960] can give you where you’ll see there’s um [01:12:00.560] what looks like a runway, right? You got [01:12:02.880] a runway back here at this jetport. [01:12:05.040] >> It’s not a runway. You look at there are [01:12:07.120] diamonds on what looks like a runway. [01:12:09.360] That’s where the man-made anti-grav [01:12:12.320] anti-gravity craft that Lockheed makes [01:12:15.199] come up out of the ground, hover over [01:12:17.600] the diamond, and then they’re struck [01:12:19.520] with certain directional energy weapons [01:12:22.239] to see how sturdy they are and how [01:12:24.159] stable they are. And most of them are [01:12:26.320] hardened enough, but occasionally one [01:12:27.840] goes down. [01:12:28.400] >> Is that what you’re talking about right [01:12:29.440] there? [01:12:29.920] >> Correct. So you see those d that is not [01:12:32.880] a runway. So they come up and they float [01:12:35.199] over those diamonds at various [01:12:36.800] distances. And so that’s where you test [01:12:39.920] these objects and uh they’re [01:12:42.320] electrogravetic meaning they’re uh not [01:12:45.440] not conventional propulsion systems. So [01:12:47.440] there’s no rockets, there’s no jets, [01:12:49.760] etc. [01:12:50.480] >> If this is the first time you are [01:12:52.159] hearing about the Tahhon or Helenale RCS [01:12:54.800] ranges, you must be new to my channel [01:12:57.120] and welcome in. I recommend watching my [01:12:59.920] dumbs video or video on Northup Grman to [01:13:02.320] learn more. [01:13:03.760] These radar cross-section ranges operate [01:13:06.320] or operated to test stealth airframes [01:13:09.199] radar cross-sections. Because these [01:13:11.360] sites were built during the Cold War, [01:13:13.120] much of these facilities exist below [01:13:15.600] ground. [01:13:17.280] Now, I’m in full agreement here with [01:13:19.120] Greer that elements of Northrup out of [01:13:21.199] Tahhon and Loheed Skunkworks out of [01:13:23.120] Helenale are a critical piece of [01:13:25.600] antelope valley UFO legacy program [01:13:27.840] operations. [01:13:29.520] Where I get frustrated with Greer and [01:13:31.440] mention of Skunk Works, however, are his [01:13:33.520] definitive claims without hypothesis, [01:13:36.000] documentation, or evidence that the [01:13:38.560] octagonal alien reproduction vehicle [01:13:40.960] Michael Herrera observed in 2009 was [01:13:43.360] derived from the Lockheed skunk works. I [01:13:46.719] suppose this information is quote [01:13:48.480] unquote proprietary to Greer’s team as I [01:13:51.440] have tried to seek further answers on [01:13:53.199] this specific claim from individuals who [01:13:55.920] maintain a relationship with Greer. But [01:13:57.920] I was told that this information around [01:13:59.920] Herrera and the skunk works octagon is [01:14:02.480] confidential. But in a similar vein, [01:14:05.280] Greer also stated he knew for a fact the [01:14:08.239] 2004 Nimtt’s tic tac originated from the [01:14:11.120] Lockheed skunk works. So, like when [01:14:13.760] David Fraver and I first spoke, who is [01:14:16.320] the F-18 Hornet pilot [01:14:19.840] and it was a serendipitous meeting [01:14:22.080] because there’s a band called Godsmack. [01:14:25.679] >> That’s a heavy metal band. Yeah. [01:14:27.440] >> And the lead guy, Sully Arnas, a friend [01:14:29.760] of mine, and it turned out he lived [01:14:31.679] across the road from David Fraver. [01:14:34.320] >> Ah, [01:14:34.800] >> because his daughter had backed into his [01:14:36.719] mailbox and broke it and they he went, [01:14:38.400] “Oh, it’s David Fraver.” Really funny. [01:14:40.880] The universe works in strange ways. That [01:14:42.640] is a crazy synchronicity. [01:14:44.480] >> So Sully Ara calls me up says [01:14:47.600] >> this God back lead singer guy and he go [01:14:50.480] and I go really he’s your neighbor. Well [01:14:53.120] get him on the horn. Let’s talk. [01:14:54.560] >> Yes. [01:14:54.960] >> It was some years ago. And David goes oh [01:14:57.440] yeah that was you know it had to be [01:14:59.440] alien. I said sir with all due respect [01:15:02.320] that was how the locked skunk works. [01:15:04.800] >> Really? That made the craft. [01:15:06.960] >> Yeah. That was one of ours. And [01:15:09.600] >> and he is now. [01:15:10.719] >> So F because Fraver wouldn’t say that [01:15:12.320] now. [01:15:13.280] >> Oh, he did say so recently. [01:15:14.960] >> But in front of Congress, ceases. I [01:15:16.320] said, [01:15:16.719] >> well, they he’s been told since then [01:15:18.159] he’s corrected. So I said, “No, that [01:15:21.120] came out of the Lockheed Skunk Works. [01:15:22.640] It’s one of ours. It was something that [01:15:24.800] they did on purpose to see our this [01:15:27.920] global organization to see how our [01:15:29.760] military would react.” So you think that [01:15:31.840] Tic Tac was was [01:15:35.520] >> Similar statements have been made by [01:15:37.120] Ross Colart that were met by the UFO [01:15:39.440] community with skepticism, outrage, and [01:15:42.159] some intrigue. [01:15:43.760] >> I’m going to leave you with one thought [01:15:45.520] today, Bryce. I now know categorically [01:15:48.640] that the tic tac is Loheed Martin [01:15:51.600] technology. Categorically [01:15:55.600] >> the tic tac is Loheed Martin technology. [01:15:59.440] Why are we being lied to? [01:16:03.520] This is the issue. Why is the United [01:16:05.600] States government now participating at [01:16:08.800] White House executive level in collusion [01:16:11.520] with the national security state to keep [01:16:14.239] secret the fact that they’ve made these [01:16:17.440] advances? [01:16:19.199] >> I suspect I suspect it’s because they’ve [01:16:22.239] realized that they’re being overtaken by [01:16:24.480] their foreign adversaries and they don’t [01:16:26.719] want you to know that. I stated [01:16:29.440] previously in my video on Rodri Castle, [01:16:31.600] I have no strong theories on if the [01:16:33.679] Nimtt’s craft originated from the skunk [01:16:35.840] works. I did however state I do believe [01:16:38.880] there are human-made and nonhuman Tic [01:16:41.440] Tacs. Here in that video, I explored if [01:16:45.040] the Tic Tac was flying within the area [01:16:47.280] of operations of US Nimits aviation [01:16:50.080] exercises. This would imply the Tic Tac [01:16:52.880] could have been gauging reaction types, [01:16:55.199] times, speeds, methods, etc. of an [01:16:58.560] unknowing force if it were enemy [01:17:00.640] contact. Warning the pilots beforehand [01:17:03.360] taints the results and observations. [01:17:06.239] It is very disturbing to theorize that [01:17:08.480] the Lockheed skunk works could have [01:17:10.480] possibly tested on unwitting US [01:17:13.199] servicemen and ace pilots at that. [01:17:17.199] But regarding the skunk works, there is [01:17:19.360] a rather infamous set of quotes from a [01:17:21.440] Lockheed skunk works director that [01:17:23.280] seemed to directly admit that Lockheed [01:17:25.600] had harnessed non-human technology. [01:17:28.640] These quotes are indeed contentious and [01:17:30.880] worthy of exploration. So, let’s [01:17:32.800] investigate Lockheed’s second director [01:17:34.960] of skunkworks from 1975 to 1991, [01:17:39.120] Ben Rit, aka the father of stealth. [01:17:44.560] The late legendary Ben Rich is famous in [01:17:47.199] the UFO community for a series of [01:17:49.280] alleged incredible statements some take [01:17:51.840] as an admission from a decorated [01:17:54.080] skunkworks director with decades of [01:17:56.239] experience on SAPS that Lockheed indeed [01:17:59.440] possesses physics defined capabilities [01:18:01.760] and familiarity with quote unquote ET [01:18:05.440] while others interpret these statements [01:18:07.120] as hyperbole or possibly even [01:18:09.280] fabrication. [01:18:11.600] At a speech at UCLA in 1993, Ben Rich [01:18:15.120] would allegedly state, quote, “We [01:18:18.400] already have the means to travel among [01:18:20.400] the stars, but these technologies are [01:18:22.880] locked up in black projects, and it [01:18:24.960] would take an act of God to ever get [01:18:27.440] them out to benefit humanity. Anything [01:18:30.320] you can imagine, we already know how to [01:18:32.880] do.” End quote. [01:18:35.040] However, these statements were seemingly [01:18:36.880] confirmed by aerospace engineer Tom [01:18:39.040] Keller, who wrote a MUON mutual UFO [01:18:41.920] network article in 2010, confirming he [01:18:45.199] attended this 1993 lecture, and Rich did [01:18:48.239] indeed make such statements. [01:18:50.960] We also have former MUON director, [01:18:53.120] nuclear engineer, and UCLA alum John [01:18:56.159] Haren, who stated he attended this 1993 [01:18:59.040] lecture. He ended his talk with a slide [01:19:01.920] of a black disc zipping off into outer [01:19:04.400] space and he ended it with these words. [01:19:07.280] We now have the technology to take ET [01:19:10.239] home and the entire place broke up [01:19:12.800] laughing. And Tom and I just looked at [01:19:14.640] each other said, “Did did he did he [01:19:16.159] really just say that? And and are these [01:19:18.239] people really not getting that what he’s [01:19:19.679] saying is real?” And so we just kind of [01:19:22.000] let it go. There was a plight Q&A [01:19:23.760] session and then the meeting ended. [01:19:25.440] Well, about 20 25 of us gathered up [01:19:27.360] around him to for a secondary, you know, [01:19:29.360] host Q&A like most speakers have. [01:19:33.040] And it was very polite at first, people [01:19:34.640] just asking questions about his career [01:19:36.000] and things like that. Finally, one lady [01:19:38.159] said, “How does this f how does this uh [01:19:41.600] getting ET home work?” And he looks at [01:19:43.920] her and he says, “Well, talks a little [01:19:45.920] bit lower.” He’s trying to ignore kind [01:19:47.360] of thing. So, someone else asked the [01:19:49.040] same question. So, finally, he just [01:19:50.719] said, he said, “Well,” he said, “Let me [01:19:52.239] ask you a question. Do you think it’s [01:19:53.440] possible to travel to the stars? He [01:19:55.600] asked this about a particular engineer [01:19:56.880] who had asked him a question about his [01:19:58.159] career. And uh the engineer said, “Well, [01:20:00.159] I don’t know. It would just take a long [01:20:01.199] time to get there.” He said, “No, it [01:20:03.120] wouldn’t. [01:20:04.960] We found an error in the equations and [01:20:06.800] we now know how to travel to the stars [01:20:08.560] and it won’t take us a lifetime to do [01:20:10.159] it.” Tarzan would claim Ben Rich [01:20:12.719] delivered some even further startling [01:20:14.880] quotes. [01:20:16.159] >> And we asked him questions about it. You [01:20:17.840] know, what did you mean when you said we [01:20:19.120] have the technology to take ET home? Ben [01:20:21.760] shared three major things that I think [01:20:24.320] are are worthy of research by [01:20:26.800] researchers worldwide at this point in [01:20:28.719] time. The first was we’ve somehow [01:20:30.880] figured out how to do interstellar [01:20:32.239] travel already. It’s known. The second [01:20:34.560] point he made was that there was an [01:20:36.560] error in the equations. My suspicion is [01:20:39.120] it’s probably Maxwell’s equations for [01:20:40.560] electromagnetic magnetic theory. The [01:20:43.440] third thing he said was how does ESP [01:20:45.760] work? And I was really kind of startled [01:20:48.239] because I didn’t know what to say. But I [01:20:49.840] blurted out, “I don’t know. All points [01:20:52.239] in time and space are connected.” And he [01:20:54.320] looked me back in the eye and he said, [01:20:55.679] “That’s how it works.” Remember this [01:20:57.600] discussion of ESP for later as it will [01:20:59.920] oddly loop back into our investigation. [01:21:02.960] But all this is to say, we must take [01:21:05.600] quite a bit of apprehension towards [01:21:07.280] Tarzan as the former MUON director would [01:21:10.560] be charged with some very disturbing [01:21:13.120] crimes regarding a minor. [01:21:16.080] Perhaps we can also look to Jane’s [01:21:17.679] defense writer James Goodall, whose work [01:21:19.920] I have previously referenced. [01:21:22.080] Specifically, Goodall’s discussion of [01:21:23.920] black programs and silent flying [01:21:26.000] triangles out of Area 51 Groom Lake, [01:21:28.800] work I absolutely agree with. Goodall [01:21:32.640] would claim one of his sources informed [01:21:34.480] him that UFOs positively exist. Well, [01:21:38.080] another source informed him, quote, we [01:21:40.320] have things out there that are literally [01:21:42.239] out of this world. Better than Star Trek [01:21:44.960] or anything you can see in the movies. [01:21:47.120] End quote. This source was actually [01:21:49.840] Goodall’s good friend, Ben Rich. [01:21:53.199] >> By the way, [01:21:54.560] >> uh James Goodall, Jim Goodall’s friend [01:21:56.480] of mine, and he [01:21:57.920] >> probably was the last man [01:22:00.080] >> to talk to uh [01:22:01.920] >> Ben Rich. Ben Rich before he died. He [01:22:03.840] said, you know, Ben Rich said, “Ah, [01:22:06.560] anything you can imagine that you’ve [01:22:08.400] seen at Star Trek and this and that, [01:22:10.560] >> we already have done at the skunk [01:22:12.000] works.” [01:22:12.880] >> And then he said, “It’s not at Area 51. [01:22:15.360] It’s out in the desert there. [01:22:16.880] >> If you want to talk regarding Jim [01:22:19.360] Goodall, I’ll be happy to get him on the [01:22:21.040] phone right this very second if you want [01:22:22.719] to. We’ll do this live. [01:22:23.840] >> Let’s Let’s call. [01:22:25.760] >> This is awesome. [01:22:26.880] >> Hey, Jim, are you there?” [01:22:31.760] That’s okay. That’s okay. So, ju just a [01:22:34.320] quick review. I’m doing this in real [01:22:36.639] time. I’m in I’m in Austin, Texas. I’m [01:22:38.719] with Jesse Michaels. I’m doing an [01:22:40.320] interview. We were talking about John [01:22:42.560] Lear. We were talking about your good [01:22:44.560] friend at You Know Where. So, could [01:22:46.960] could you talk about, you know, [01:22:48.719] paraphrase here, talk about what Ben [01:22:51.120] Rich told you at the hospital just [01:22:53.600] before he passed away? [01:22:57.360] Just before Ben Rich passed away, uh, [01:23:00.800] when I was talking to him, he told me, [01:23:02.880] and this is this is about the end of a [01:23:04.960] 45minut, uh, conversation. He said, [01:23:08.000] “Jim, we have things out in the desert.” [01:23:10.400] And he wasn’t referring to Area 51. We [01:23:13.120] have things out in the desert that is 50 [01:23:15.520] years beyond what you can comprehend. [01:23:18.960] I can comprehend a hell of a lot. Uh, [01:23:22.800] and he said, “If you’ve seen [01:23:25.520] if you’ve seen movies like Star Trek or [01:23:27.600] Star Wars, we’ve been there, done that, [01:23:30.639] or decided it wasn’t worth the effort.” [01:23:36.159] >> I recognized that there were people in [01:23:37.760] government that wanted to engage the [01:23:39.440] public on topics that unfortunately had [01:23:41.280] a stigma even though they were based in [01:23:42.880] scientific fact. At the time, there was [01:23:45.440] no mechanism for them to do this. [01:23:47.440] Through a series of meetings, I was soon [01:23:49.280] connected to a large group of US [01:23:50.960] government officials from the CIA, the [01:23:53.600] Department of Defense, and Loheed Martin [01:23:55.600] Skunk Works. These guys were the ones [01:23:57.840] involved in the secret of US government [01:23:59.679] programs that dealt with these subjects, [01:24:01.840] and they have all taken tremendous risks [01:24:03.600] to themselves and their reputations to [01:24:05.440] do something that can benefit the world. [01:24:07.600] They wanted to be a part of something [01:24:09.280] special, to be a part of a company that [01:24:11.199] could not only change the way we see [01:24:12.719] ourselves, but also change the path [01:24:14.800] humanity is on. I am equally intrigued [01:24:17.920] in Lockheed Skunkwork’s bizarre [01:24:19.840] relationship with Tong Dong and To the [01:24:22.400] Stars Academy. On Joe Rogan episode 1, [01:24:27.280] released on 26 October 2017. [01:24:30.639] Rockstar Tom Dong discussed the [01:24:32.800] inception of To the Stars Academy, a [01:24:35.840] group of his advised by Air Force Major [01:24:38.400] General Neil Macasand, Air Force Major [01:24:41.679] General Michael Kerry, Hillary Clinton [01:24:44.239] campaign manager John Podesta, how put [01:24:47.120] off Chris Melon, Luis Alzando, Loheed [01:24:49.760] Martin skunkworks executive vice [01:24:51.600] president Rob Whites, and 30 plus year [01:24:55.120] skunkworks veteran Steve Justice. [01:24:58.239] working on things that defy imagination. [01:25:02.639] >> I believe um that the technology uh not [01:25:08.000] only exists, we’ve figured out how to [01:25:10.880] play with it. But I’m not going to [01:25:12.639] really get into that here. I what that [01:25:14.880] is what we’re doing at my company [01:25:16.320] though. That is the announcement. So [01:25:18.320] Steve Justice was head of advanced [01:25:20.239] programs at the Skunk Works. And the [01:25:21.520] Skunk Works are who built you know the [01:25:24.800] famous secret bases you hear about. [01:25:26.320] Skunk Works did, you know, the U2 spy [01:25:28.239] plane, the SR71 Blackbird, the F1 uh 117 [01:25:31.679] stealth fighter, and [01:25:32.639] >> it’s all Groom Lake out there, [01:25:34.159] >> all that kind of stuff. And um and he [01:25:36.719] literally was in charge of all the [01:25:38.000] advanced programs. So, you know, you got [01:25:39.679] the boss and you got him [01:25:41.920] >> and um he came uh he just finished his [01:25:45.440] career over there within the past two [01:25:47.920] months, I think it is, and and he was on [01:25:50.560] stage with me when we came out and and [01:25:52.480] said, “We’re going to be building one of [01:25:53.600] these things.” To be quite honest, Tom [01:25:56.239] would act as a trailblazer discussing [01:25:58.400] much of what I discuss here today on my [01:26:00.639] channel, including most critically DoD [01:26:04.239] contractors possessing non-human derived [01:26:06.480] technologies and recovered nonhuman [01:26:08.960] craft and biologics. [01:26:12.000] Dong suggested to the stars academy or [01:26:14.400] TTSA was restrained from releasing [01:26:16.719] information still tightly held in the [01:26:18.719] SAP world and any inadvertent release of [01:26:22.159] said information could be considered a [01:26:24.239] breach of national security. So Tom and [01:26:27.280] TTSA sought to utilize group investors [01:26:30.000] to build from scratch free energy [01:26:32.880] technology for energy and aerospace [01:26:35.280] programs. [01:26:37.280] By 2021, Melon, Alzando, and Steve [01:26:40.639] Justice would leave TTSA, and the group [01:26:43.120] deemphasized a scientific focus to [01:26:45.360] produce entertainment projects. [01:26:48.000] The entire TTSA saga is so incredibly [01:26:51.120] bizarre, as is the inclusion of figures [01:26:53.280] like Melon, Alzando, and Pudof, and [01:26:56.480] institutions like Lockheed Skunkworks. [01:27:00.080] Perhaps one day I will sit down to do a [01:27:02.560] focused analysis on TTSA. As it seems to [01:27:05.600] me, Dong was indeed propped up as a [01:27:08.400] mouthpiece to disseminate legitimate [01:27:10.800] information. [01:27:12.719] My mind does though immediately draw to [01:27:15.120] Dong’s book, Secret Machines, a Romana [01:27:18.560] Clay meant to detail real events [01:27:20.639] overlaid with a facade of fiction. [01:27:23.040] Essentially, secret machines serve to [01:27:25.199] deliver a science fiction novel fusing [01:27:27.600] the imagination of Dong with actual [01:27:30.480] events obtained from US military [01:27:32.639] officials and government sources. [01:27:35.600] The alleged facts in this book were [01:27:37.760] delivered by the commander of Air Force [01:27:40.159] Research Lab at Wright Patterson, [01:27:41.920] multiple skunk works officials and [01:27:43.920] others. [01:27:45.600] In Secret Machines, Dong discusses [01:27:47.840] reverse engineered triangular aerospace [01:27:50.159] vehicles that are capable of performing [01:27:52.480] incredible feats. Of course, Loheed [01:27:55.760] Martin has been accused by Fuché and [01:27:58.159] many others of developing TR3B or [01:28:00.880] similar models reverse engineered [01:28:02.960] triangular craft. [01:28:05.199] This fascinating piece of literature, [01:28:07.040] however, makes numerous mentions to an [01:28:09.120] Astra black triangle reverse engineered [01:28:11.440] craft. Quote, “The craft itself, [01:28:14.400] according to its data manual, was [01:28:16.159] triangular and was named the Astra TR3B, [01:28:20.239] but we call it the Locust,” said Becker [01:28:22.639] with a smile. He was proud to be [01:28:24.480] connected to it. “The Locust had control [01:28:27.040] layouts unlike those used in any [01:28:28.960] aircraft he had ever seen. Controls that [01:28:31.199] were not just unfamiliar, but [01:28:33.280] counterintuitive to anyone with a basic [01:28:35.679] sense of aviation or aerospace physics.” [01:28:38.159] End quote. But what I really want to [01:28:40.800] draw attention to is the description of [01:28:42.639] the Astra’s control mechanism. When [01:28:45.360] characters in the book operate the Astra [01:28:47.520] TR3B Locust, the pilot’s chair looked [01:28:50.320] disappointingly like that from an F-16. [01:28:53.520] But on the left armrest of the seat set [01:28:55.679] a red sphere sitting in a cradle. These [01:28:59.199] details are intriguing as the cradled [01:29:01.760] sphere control mechanisms matches [01:29:04.239] identically that described by Mark [01:29:06.719] McCandish and Brad Sorenson. that was [01:29:08.880] allegedly used to control the flux liner [01:29:11.199] ARV. Another vehicle supposedly [01:29:14.239] engineered partly by Loheed Martin. [01:29:16.960] Additionally, characters in the secret [01:29:18.719] machines book were disappointed the [01:29:20.480] pilot’s chair was ripped from an F-16. [01:29:23.360] Recall back to Flux Liner, both Sorenson [01:29:25.920] and Mccandalish described the poorly [01:29:28.080] designed copy Flux Liner vehicles [01:29:30.639] employed F4 Phantom ejection seats that [01:29:33.280] appeared extremely out of place in the [01:29:35.679] hovering flying saucer. Again, perhaps [01:29:39.280] we will cover Dong and TTSA more in the [01:29:41.760] future as I would like to relate Tom’s [01:29:44.400] efforts to the Bigalow Aerospace [01:29:46.320] Advanced Space Studies 10-month report [01:29:49.199] dated 30 July 2009 that was delivered [01:29:52.159] while contracting under the OAP program. [01:29:55.679] There is a theory here that Tom was [01:29:57.840] targeted by Alzando and Melon to execute [01:30:00.639] an updated version of a leftover idea [01:30:03.280] that was Project Forum. As detailed by [01:30:06.639] this BAS 10-month report, Project Forum [01:30:09.280] was a proposed 2010s program that sought [01:30:12.239] to quote raise the level of awareness of [01:30:15.040] the importance of ET and the potential [01:30:17.520] disclosure in North America end quote by [01:30:20.159] beginning in California. [01:30:26.800] Would it truly be a UAP Gerb video [01:30:29.760] without connections to the Wilson Davis [01:30:31.920] notes? An alleged memo recounting the [01:30:35.120] greatest instance of a senior United [01:30:37.360] States flag officer and intelligence [01:30:39.440] official being gatekept from accessing [01:30:42.320] the UFO legacy program portfolio. [01:30:45.600] as I do in most of my projects these [01:30:48.000] days. I will assume the viewer has some [01:30:50.480] familiarity with the Wilson Davis notes. [01:30:53.360] After all, covering this memo was [01:30:55.840] actually my first ever video on this [01:30:58.080] channel and featured references to [01:31:00.000] Loheed Martin. [01:31:02.159] And regardless of the recent drama with [01:31:04.960] Dr. Eric Davis’s sources incorrectly [01:31:07.760] stating the September 2025 UFO House [01:31:10.880] Oversight Committee hearing was [01:31:13.040] postponed or Davis’s apparent issues [01:31:16.800] with myself. I still fully believe the [01:31:19.920] fundamental facts of this memo regarding [01:31:22.159] Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson attempting [01:31:24.719] and failing to access UFO legacy [01:31:27.360] programs are absolutely correct. But [01:31:31.040] real fast, let’s very briefly summarize [01:31:34.320] this topic. [01:31:36.400] In short, these disputed but highly [01:31:38.719] likely accurate notes transcribed by Dr. [01:31:41.440] Eric Davis were leaked from the estate [01:31:44.000] of the late astronaut Edgar Mitchell. [01:31:46.960] These notes recount a 2002 conversation [01:31:49.679] between Davis and VADM and former DIA [01:31:53.040] director Thomas Wilson outside of the [01:31:55.679] parking lot of contractor EG&G. [01:31:59.120] The conversation recounts Wilson finding [01:32:01.679] but being stonewalled in accessing UFO [01:32:04.800] recovery and material exploitation [01:32:06.880] programs [01:32:08.400] that were protected by the DoD’s special [01:32:11.600] access program oversight committee [01:32:13.679] sapach senior review group SRG and a [01:32:17.520] large defense contractor Wilson refused [01:32:20.000] to name. According to Wilson, he was [01:32:22.880] informed by General Michael Ward to [01:32:25.040] search a special records group in the [01:32:26.880] office of the Secretary of Defense for [01:32:28.800] acquisition and technology belonging to [01:32:32.000] special legacy holdover programs from [01:32:34.239] before the special access program [01:32:35.920] restructuring efforts in the early [01:32:37.760] 1990s. [01:32:40.080] In the memo, UFO legacy programs were [01:32:42.800] reorganized under the SAPPO SRG after an [01:32:45.920] internal audit almost revealed the [01:32:48.239] programs. [01:32:49.920] This SAP reorganization began on the 5th [01:32:52.719] of January 1994 when the Deputy [01:32:56.000] Secretary of Defense significantly [01:32:58.080] enhanced changes in the DoD special [01:33:00.719] access program management and control [01:33:02.960] structures. [01:33:04.560] This newsletter on screen now highlights [01:33:06.800] those changes, establishing the senior [01:33:09.199] review group as well. [01:33:11.840] In my video on SIC, I built a strong [01:33:14.719] case as to why SIC was the contractor [01:33:17.840] Wilson refused to name to Eric Davis [01:33:20.800] that served as an integral piece to the [01:33:23.040] UFO legacy program gatekeeping [01:33:24.880] structure. In this same project, I also [01:33:28.239] analyzed the sitting depth sect defeapok [01:33:31.520] permanent members and SAP SRG members as [01:33:35.199] well as outlined several such highlevel [01:33:37.840] individuals with direct involvement in [01:33:40.080] the reorganization of special access [01:33:42.239] programs between 1993 to 1994 [01:33:46.000] that also served highlevel executive or [01:33:48.880] board positions at sic. [01:33:51.600] Key individuals here include Depectdef [01:33:54.320] who actually was responsible for the [01:33:56.400] restructuring of Sappok William J. Perry [01:33:59.600] and his immediate successor John Deutsch [01:34:02.159] both of whom served on the boards of [01:34:03.920] SIC. [01:34:05.600] In Deutsche’s case, the accomplished [01:34:07.679] professional also served as director of [01:34:09.760] central intelligence, a professor at [01:34:11.679] MIT, enjoyed numerous positions within [01:34:14.880] the DOE, and additionally served as a [01:34:17.679] consultant pre-work on SAPO with TRW, [01:34:20.880] Lawrence Liverour National Labs and the [01:34:23.040] MITER Corporation, three institutions I [01:34:25.760] have directly accused of being involved [01:34:28.080] in UFO legacy programs. [01:34:31.520] In my first ever video on this channel, [01:34:33.679] I wagered the unnamed contractor whose [01:34:36.320] name Wilson refused to even utter was [01:34:38.800] indeed Loheed Martin. However, post my [01:34:42.239] SEIC video, I still maintain the [01:34:44.719] contractor in question is indeed sic. [01:34:48.880] But that’s not to say Loheed Martin is [01:34:51.280] not a critical piece laying in the [01:34:53.280] shadows of discussion of the Wilson [01:34:55.199] Davis notes. In fact, perhaps Lockheed [01:34:58.719] is a critical component to the [01:35:00.639] reorganization of Sappok itself that in [01:35:03.520] the Wilson Davis notes led to the [01:35:06.080] reorganization and restructuring of UFO [01:35:09.120] legacy program operations. [01:35:11.679] In the SEIC video, I explored a theory [01:35:14.960] that the need for UFO legacy programs to [01:35:17.600] restructure the special access program [01:35:19.679] oversight committee to avoid any further [01:35:22.480] instances of exposure through audits [01:35:25.440] actually arose from a general accounting [01:35:27.600] office May 1993 report titled DoD [01:35:31.840] special access programs administrative [01:35:34.080] due process not provided when access is [01:35:36.880] denied or revoked. End quote. which [01:35:40.159] discussed the Navy and Air Force not [01:35:42.000] complying with DoD regulation 62000.2-R [01:35:47.199] which discussed special access program [01:35:49.440] accesses. [01:35:51.520] Interestingly enough, the Army did [01:35:53.760] comply in some cases here according to [01:35:55.920] this GAO document. According to some of [01:35:59.199] my research, this actually makes sense [01:36:00.960] to me as I am familiar with cases in [01:36:03.280] which the US Army seem to operate UFO [01:36:06.080] material exploitation programs in a [01:36:08.960] strict controlled environment with [01:36:10.880] oversight while Navy and Air Force [01:36:13.199] legacy programs seem to operate far more [01:36:15.840] loosely. [01:36:18.320] Well, perhaps we can find even more [01:36:20.480] context here from the US General [01:36:22.960] Accounting Office that actually [01:36:24.719] highlights Lockheed’s work on black [01:36:27.040] budget SAPs as the nexus for this early [01:36:30.480] 1990s audit that allegedly almost [01:36:33.280] exposed UFO legacy programs. [01:36:37.440] On screen now, observe an August 1986 [01:36:41.280] GAO report to the US SECDE titled, [01:36:44.159] quote, “Need for DoD inspections of [01:36:47.440] special access contracts.” End quote. [01:36:50.800] This report detailed GAO investigations [01:36:53.760] into critical missteps in carveout [01:36:56.239] program security protocols, [01:36:58.719] specifically poor document control [01:37:00.800] systems over classified special access [01:37:03.199] documents at the Lockheed Corporation’s [01:37:05.840] Burbank plant. [01:37:08.080] And recall Lockheed’s Burbank plant [01:37:10.239] actually served as the spawn point for [01:37:12.159] skunk works in 1943. [01:37:14.880] It is quite interesting how by 1992 6 [01:37:18.080] years after this GAO report Lockheed had [01:37:20.960] pulled all aerospace activities from [01:37:23.280] Burbank. [01:37:25.520] According to a 24 July 1986 report [01:37:28.480] titled [01:37:30.000] controls over classified documents for a [01:37:32.239] special access program at Lockheed [01:37:33.920] Corporation end quote written by Martin [01:37:36.800] M. Ferour, Associate Director, National [01:37:39.280] Security and International Affairs [01:37:41.199] Division. Attempts to periodically [01:37:43.600] analyze compliance with security [01:37:45.520] requirements within special access [01:37:47.360] programs arose all the way back in 1965. [01:37:51.760] Pre 1965, each military service or DoD [01:37:55.600] component was responsible for security [01:37:58.239] administration over all contracts within [01:38:00.800] their associated industry. to preclude [01:38:04.080] inconsistencies and duplication, [01:38:06.080] especially for contractors doing [01:38:07.920] business with more than one service or [01:38:10.159] component. The Defense Investigative [01:38:13.040] Service, now called the Defense Security [01:38:15.199] Service, was given responsibility for [01:38:17.840] security administration over practically [01:38:20.480] all of DoD’s contracts, conducting [01:38:23.840] semianual on-site inspections of [01:38:26.400] contractor facilities to check for [01:38:28.320] compliance with security requirements. [01:38:32.000] Funny enough, in that same year of 1965, [01:38:35.119] DoD decided due to the sensitive nature [01:38:37.760] of SAPS, SAPS themselves were outright [01:38:41.040] excluded from supervision by the Defense [01:38:43.840] Investigative Service. Defense [01:38:46.320] Investigative Service was only allowed [01:38:48.480] periodic inspections to SAP FS or SAP [01:38:51.600] facilities. [01:38:53.520] In this document, Ferber gives us some [01:38:55.679] interesting information into special [01:38:57.600] access programs, discussing that a SAT [01:39:00.639] may be created on a specific showing [01:39:03.040] that quote, “Normal management and [01:39:05.760] safeguarding procedures are not [01:39:07.520] sufficient to limit need to know or [01:39:09.679] access, and the number of persons who [01:39:12.239] will need access will be reasonably [01:39:14.239] small and commensurate with the [01:39:15.920] objectives of providing extra protection [01:39:18.000] for the information involved.” End [01:39:19.920] quote. SAPS of course feature their [01:39:22.400] unagnowledged counterparts USAPS and [01:39:25.440] most SAPs involved contractors in [01:39:27.840] special access contracts. [01:39:30.400] And here we can discuss the difference [01:39:32.080] between SAPs and carveout contracts aka [01:39:35.280] special access contracts. [01:39:37.920] Carveout contracts are called such [01:39:39.840] because they are carved out of the [01:39:41.520] defense investigative services periodic [01:39:43.920] inspection program. Carveout contracts [01:39:46.880] are SAPs that contractors manage with [01:39:49.119] minimal oversight and extensive [01:39:51.119] freedoms. Carveout contracts often [01:39:54.320] experience even less oversight than [01:39:56.560] traditional SAPs or USAPS from which [01:39:58.880] they are carved from. Today, carveout [01:40:02.159] programs are exempt fully or partially [01:40:04.800] from Defense Security Service inspection [01:40:07.119] requirements, feature extraordinary [01:40:10.239] classification and security mechanisms, [01:40:12.639] and require quote unquote special [01:40:15.119] oversight. [01:40:17.119] How intriguing is it? Lockheed’s Burbank [01:40:19.520] skunk works site that I and others have [01:40:22.159] associated with running UFO legacy [01:40:24.480] program SAPS was investigated for poor [01:40:27.920] carveout security controls by the GAO in [01:40:30.800] 1986. [01:40:32.719] Was this audit the smoking gun of locked [01:40:35.440] UFO legacy programs being nearly outed [01:40:38.320] that actually led to the reorganization [01:40:40.400] of SAPO and allegedly [01:40:43.119] restructuring and recompartmentalization [01:40:45.760] of UFO legacy programs under SAPO SRG? [01:40:50.960] Well, as it turns out, this gets even [01:40:53.040] more interesting. At this time, [01:40:55.840] Lockheed’s carveout programs were [01:40:57.760] required to deliver a complete inventory [01:41:00.080] of all top secret materials at least [01:41:02.719] annually, and a random inventory [01:41:05.280] inspection was conducted every 50 days [01:41:07.760] of at least 10% of all classified [01:41:10.960] material. [01:41:12.719] GAO’s investigation into Lockheed’s [01:41:14.880] accountability over classified documents [01:41:16.960] associated with a major special access [01:41:19.280] program revealed Lockheed had not been [01:41:22.400] performing the required classified [01:41:24.239] inventory count at most of its 53 [01:41:27.440] document control substations. [01:41:30.560] In fact, after the GAO conducted counts [01:41:33.280] of inventory at all 53 document control [01:41:36.480] substations, Locky displayed 1,460 [01:41:41.119] discrepancies out of 40,000 secret and [01:41:44.080] topsecret items. 235 of these [01:41:47.520] discrepancies were investigated by [01:41:49.199] Lockheed and reported. 11 discrepancies [01:41:52.320] were listed as unresolved with Lockheed [01:41:55.280] reporting some files had been physically [01:41:57.520] destroyed and 224 of these cases were [01:42:01.040] actually resolved. This still however [01:42:04.000] left several hundred discrepancies in [01:42:06.400] Lockheed’s classified inventory count. [01:42:09.920] And again, I’ll ask the question, did [01:42:12.000] this GAO investigation nearly expose [01:42:14.719] Lockheed’s legacy program operations? [01:42:18.960] Well, there is even further data to [01:42:21.360] suggest. So, we can actually look to [01:42:24.159] Jacqu Valet’s excellent book, Forbidden [01:42:26.639] Science 5, Pacific Heights. In an entry [01:42:30.320] titled 24th September 2004, Valle [01:42:34.000] detailed one Charles Bower, controller [01:42:36.800] general of the United States under [01:42:38.400] President Reagan from 1981 to 1996. [01:42:42.480] Valle discussed how Bowser found a [01:42:44.480] crashed UFO program during a massive [01:42:47.119] audit of classified projects. Quote, [01:42:50.000] “Less than a handful of officials knew [01:42:52.239] about it.” End quote. According to [01:42:54.400] Valle, Bowser contemplated turning his [01:42:56.960] findings over to DoD for prosecution. [01:42:59.600] However, a quote powerful person in DoD [01:43:02.800] quenched it end quote. Could this person [01:43:06.320] in DoD possibly have been the man to [01:43:08.960] whom the 1986 GAO need for DoD [01:43:12.320] inspections of special access contracts [01:43:14.480] was addressed? Secretary of Defense [01:43:17.360] Casper Weinberger. [01:43:20.159] If Weinberger sect under Reagan from [01:43:22.560] 1981 to 1987 sounds familiar, well, this [01:43:26.320] is because he was mentioned a handful of [01:43:28.239] times in my video on naval UFO legacy [01:43:31.119] programs. [01:43:33.119] Within this project, Weineberger was [01:43:35.199] mentioned lying about the clandestine [01:43:37.520] National Underwater Reconnaissance [01:43:39.199] Offic’s operations in Swedish waters in [01:43:41.760] 81, [01:43:43.280] as well as Weineberger being involved in [01:43:45.440] later 1980s investigations into various [01:43:48.239] contractors such as the Grumman [01:43:50.480] Corporation egregiously overcharging DoD [01:43:53.440] for simple parts. A possible funding [01:43:56.080] mechanism for UFO programs we discussed [01:43:58.400] earlier. [01:44:00.080] Possibly the US SECDE did at one point [01:44:03.360] or still does have some senior oversight [01:44:06.239] into UFO legacy program operations. [01:44:09.920] After all, Weineberger’s successor, [01:44:11.920] Frank Carluchi, has served as a suspect [01:44:14.639] of mine as an attendee to the 1988 [01:44:17.520] Norton Air Force Base air show where the [01:44:19.760] alleged flux liners were displayed. [01:44:29.040] Harry Reid, God bless his soul, made [01:44:30.880] this disclosure [01:44:32.960] um a couple weeks after we met uh in the [01:44:35.280] New Yorker, and you can look this up. I [01:44:36.880] think it was like a May 2021 New Yorker [01:44:39.440] story where he says, “I knew for [01:44:42.000] decades, and he made this disclosure, [01:44:43.440] not me. So, I’m going to say the name of [01:44:44.800] the contractor, Harry Reid said this, uh [01:44:47.760] you know, we knew that Loheed Martin had [01:44:49.840] this material for decades. I tried to [01:44:51.840] get access and I was denied.” And [01:44:54.080] specifically with the Loheed Martin [01:44:55.760] stuff he was talking about during the [01:44:57.440] OSAP program and for the people who are [01:45:00.639] on this program I submitted the opser [01:45:02.960] got this cleared so don’t freak out but [01:45:05.520] I’m telling the truth here. Um, so [01:45:08.719] Loheed Martin wanted to divest itself [01:45:11.440] from this material at a specific [01:45:13.199] facility that’s known to me that I [01:45:14.800] provided to the inspector general. Um, [01:45:17.920] like street address, all that, right? [01:45:20.719] And the idea was if they made a catcher [01:45:23.199] mitt, a security catcher mitt for this [01:45:25.920] at, you know, most serious sat possible, [01:45:28.719] the contractor and the other government [01:45:30.719] customer, which was the Central [01:45:32.320] Intelligence Agency, um, for that [01:45:34.800] specific locked material. And it was [01:45:38.080] they recovered from like the 50s and [01:45:39.440] stuff and it was like bits and pieces of [01:45:41.520] of of of like hall structure like that. [01:45:45.119] But going back to that transfer with [01:45:46.639] Locked, long story short, can’t get in [01:45:49.280] all the nuance details, but basically [01:45:52.320] the CIA [01:45:54.239] uh said you to DIA and Lockheed and it [01:45:58.960] was totally killed. So Harry Reid’s [01:46:01.199] request to get the material transferred [01:46:03.679] to the OSAP program was totally killed [01:46:06.560] because of bureaucracy and kind of thft [01:46:09.119] stuff. [01:46:11.040] Okay, moving on. Um, are any of you [01:46:13.600] willing to name specific gatekeepers [01:46:15.440] within the root cell of the UAP SAP [01:46:17.840] Federation? [01:46:26.480] You mean specific people and contractors [01:46:28.639] that have dealt with this secret? [01:46:30.800] >> Specific individuals. [01:46:35.199] >> Well, one of them was named Dr. James [01:46:37.440] Ryder at at Lockheed. [01:46:40.800] But, you know, again to to to emphasize, [01:46:43.040] I I don’t fault these contractors for [01:46:45.920] doing what they were asked to do by our [01:46:47.600] government. They’re supposed to lie if [01:46:49.520] people ask about it. and uh uh the [01:46:52.000] intelligence agencies who who gave this [01:46:54.400] stuff to them, CIA I think primarily [01:46:57.119] told them to keep it quiet and they and [01:46:58.800] they’ve done that. And I I suspect that [01:47:00.560] they’d like an off-ramp. [01:47:03.280] >> I have a name for you. [01:47:05.119] >> Go ahead. [01:47:05.600] >> Glenn Gaffne CIA. [01:47:08.000] >> Glen Gaffne, CIA. [01:47:10.400] Loheed Martin’s most direct, infamous, [01:47:12.880] and intriguing accusation of possessing [01:47:15.280] nonhuman craft and technologies features [01:47:18.560] actually a ridiculously extensive paper [01:47:21.119] trail as well as a prospective special [01:47:23.600] access program or PAP created for [01:47:26.239] nonhuman material transfer. [01:47:29.119] Many here have now heard of the Loheed [01:47:31.280] Martin attempted non-human material [01:47:33.600] transfer to Bigalow Aerospace Advanced [01:47:36.159] Space Studies administrated by the [01:47:38.719] Defense Intelligence Agency sponsored [01:47:40.800] OAP program that took place between 2008 [01:47:44.080] and 2011 that was stonewalled and [01:47:46.719] blocked by elements of the CIA’s [01:47:48.960] Directorate of Science and Technology. [01:47:52.239] This incredible event saw Loheed Martin [01:47:54.719] attempt to willingly divest themselves [01:47:57.040] of UFO materials. [01:47:59.280] Some reports state these materials [01:48:01.280] included a craft hall and bits and [01:48:03.440] pieces of materials. Some other sources [01:48:06.480] state this was actually the 1953 [01:48:08.960] Kingman, Arizona craft or part of it. [01:48:12.159] Kingman, of course, is one of my [01:48:13.920] all-time favorite cases. So, I do highly [01:48:16.400] recommend checking out my documentary on [01:48:18.560] the crash retrieval. [01:48:20.960] I myself have talked about this material [01:48:23.040] transfer on numerous occasions, mostly [01:48:26.000] to discuss the importance of the CIA’s [01:48:28.320] Directorate of Science and Technology or [01:48:30.400] DS&T in UFO Legacy Program operations [01:48:34.159] and how CIA DS&T deputy director Glenn [01:48:37.920] Gaffne was directly involved in the [01:48:40.400] stonewalling of Lockheed’s attempted [01:48:42.480] divestment. [01:48:44.080] >> I think one WINPAC member recently [01:48:46.400] mentioned kind of as a gatekeeper of [01:48:47.920] legacy programs was Glen Gaffne. if you [01:48:50.719] guys remember that from various [01:48:51.840] reporting. I think Chris Sharp touched [01:48:53.600] on it as well. [01:48:55.040] >> Did you ever interact with Glen Gaffne? [01:48:57.040] >> I didn’t have direct interaction with [01:48:58.560] them, but the aerospace uh defense firm [01:49:02.880] that we were working we were trying to [01:49:04.800] work with during the OSAP [01:49:07.520] had direct interaction with him as well [01:49:10.239] as the uh he was a senior VP and his exe [01:49:13.840] and the executive VP of the corporation [01:49:15.600] had they had to have a conversation with [01:49:17.280] Glenn Gaffne. [01:49:18.159] >> Yeah. And he was very antagonistic about [01:49:20.320] that company releasing to us under the [01:49:22.960] DIA [01:49:23.920] >> to NIDS. [01:49:24.880] >> Huh? [01:49:25.360] >> To NIDS, right? [01:49:26.400] >> To us, no to um to Big Aerospace [01:49:29.040] Advanced Space Studies and Earth Techch, [01:49:30.719] >> right? [01:49:31.119] >> To release to us their collection of [01:49:33.280] crash retrieval materials that they’ve [01:49:34.800] had since before it got shut down in [01:49:36.480] ‘89. [01:49:37.520] >> So, let’s take a step back here and [01:49:39.440] fully analyze this incredible series of [01:49:42.000] events. Let’s reference the players on [01:49:44.639] Lockheed, CIA, OAP/BASS, [01:49:47.760] who attempted to transfer nonhuman [01:49:50.080] materials through a PAP and try to [01:49:53.119] unravel this complex puzzle as best as [01:49:55.840] possible. Because after all, numerous [01:49:59.040] reports claim Lockheed attempted not [01:50:01.199] once, but twice during the span of 2008 [01:50:04.480] to 2011 to divest itself of recovered [01:50:07.920] UFO materials originating from the [01:50:10.320] 1950s. [01:50:12.480] the now infamous OSAP program or [01:50:15.119] advanced aerospace weapon systems [01:50:17.119] applications program and the ATIP or [01:50:19.920] advanced aerospace threat identification [01:50:22.239] program are programs central to [01:50:24.560] discussion of this locked material [01:50:26.480] transfer but information about OAP and [01:50:30.159] ATIP is incredibly convoluted and it is [01:50:33.280] wildly difficult to separate the wheat [01:50:35.360] from the chaff here what we do know is [01:50:38.719] that OAP was initiated by Senator Harry [01:50:41.280] Reid between 2007 and 2008 and the [01:50:45.199] program began in the Defense [01:50:46.719] Intelligence Agency with an estimated [01:50:48.800] budget of $22 million over 5 years. [01:50:53.920] DIA awarded contracts under OSAP to [01:50:56.639] Robert Bigalow’s Bigalow Aerospace [01:50:58.960] Advanced Space Studies LLC or BASS for [01:51:01.760] short. [01:51:04.080] Now for our work here, I will be using [01:51:06.639] the official OAP solicitation under [01:51:09.199] solicitation number HHM4208R211. [01:51:15.440] To draw details from OAP, as many of the [01:51:18.400] characters around this OAP ATIP saga [01:51:21.199] have proven to be actually quite [01:51:23.040] untrustworthy. [01:51:25.040] These include Luis Alzando, who for [01:51:27.760] years changed his story around his role [01:51:30.400] as director or senior member of ATIP. [01:51:34.400] Outside of presenting obviously false [01:51:36.800] photographs of UFOs, I hesitate to trust [01:51:39.599] Alzando’s word as he formerly served in [01:51:42.639] the early to mid 2000s as the [01:51:45.040] contracting officers representative for [01:51:47.360] the counter intelligence field activity [01:51:49.360] or CIFFA. [01:51:51.360] SEIFA, a former DoD agency, operated [01:51:54.159] from 2002 to 2008 and was charged with [01:51:57.760] protecting US military personnel and [01:52:00.080] facilities against spying and acts of [01:52:02.560] terrorism. [01:52:04.080] Information regarding CIFA’s budget and [01:52:06.320] number of personnel is still classified [01:52:08.400] to this day. [01:52:10.480] During his time in SEIFA, Lou worked [01:52:12.880] closely with the largest contracts in [01:52:15.040] the entire SEIFA directorate. According [01:52:18.000] to allgogv.com, quote, “SIEFA’s top [01:52:21.760] secret activities have not prevented it [01:52:23.840] from utilizing private companies to [01:52:25.840] carry out its highly sensitive counter [01:52:27.920] inelligence activities. [01:52:30.159] In fact, CIFFA was one of the largest [01:52:32.560] employers of private contractors within [01:52:34.719] the US intelligence community.” End [01:52:36.960] quote. [01:52:38.639] From 2004 to 2005, CIFFA awarded at [01:52:42.080] least $33 million in contracts. [01:52:45.760] and the largest winners here, Northrup [01:52:48.480] Grumman and Loheed Martin. So, please [01:52:52.080] forgive me for leaving Lou out of [01:52:53.760] discussions with respect to Loheed as [01:52:56.000] there very may well be some conflicts of [01:52:58.480] interest here. Additionally, one of the [01:53:01.599] leave founders of OAP, Dr. Jim Lacatsky, [01:53:05.360] claimed he had actually gained entry to [01:53:07.280] the interior of a recovered UFO craft, [01:53:09.920] but recently stated he would lie to [01:53:12.400] Congress if ever subpoenaed. But if I [01:53:15.040] could take one thing away that really [01:53:17.199] struck me, it is the first time in [01:53:19.599] history I think that we have somebody of [01:53:21.840] of your uh Dr. Dr. Latsky of your kind [01:53:25.440] of depth within the intelligence agency, [01:53:27.440] the Defense Intelligence Agency and [01:53:29.040] within the UFO program that you ran for [01:53:31.679] the Defense Intelligence Agency that [01:53:34.639] stated, and I quote, “The United States [01:53:37.679] was in possession of a craft of unknown [01:53:40.320] origin and had successfully gained [01:53:42.560] access to its interior interior.” So, [01:53:45.599] you personally know about a UFO that we [01:53:48.800] got access inside of. I have to assume, [01:53:52.000] Dr. Latsky that you’ve seen this bad [01:53:54.320] boy. You don’t got to answer me, but I’m [01:53:55.920] going to make that assumption unless you [01:53:57.119] tell me otherwise. Um, you also say that [01:54:00.880] this craft had a streamlined [01:54:02.159] configuration suitable for aerodynamic [01:54:04.639] flight, but no intakes, exhaust, wings, [01:54:07.679] or control surfaces. So, if I had to [01:54:10.080] take something away from all this, you [01:54:12.159] just made the admission that our [01:54:14.000] government is reverse engineering. If we [01:54:15.760] got inside of it, we’re reverse [01:54:16.960] engineering UFOs. [01:54:21.440] You see, I’m not speaking at all. I I’m [01:54:23.840] not going beyond what it was what you [01:54:26.159] read from the book. [01:54:30.080] And going to Congress would be a red [01:54:32.639] line to me personally because I I talk [01:54:36.239] too much. I say too much, but I [01:54:38.800] purposely cut it off right here. I just [01:54:43.360] >> Well, what if you What if you were [01:54:44.880] subpoenaed, though? I mean, you know, [01:54:46.239] they’re trying to do that in Congress. [01:54:48.320] They’re trying to subpoena people and [01:54:50.239] say, “Hey, Dr. [01:54:52.719] >> Dr. Le, you know, you’ve worked on [01:54:55.360] >> rumors about Dr. [01:54:59.199] >> Okay, but hold on. If you’re subpoenaed [01:55:01.040] and asked to tell the and asked to tell [01:55:03.040] the truth, you’re under oath.” [01:55:05.280] >> First of all, [01:55:06.000] >> right, let’s repeat the old phrase, [01:55:08.480] let’s cross that bridge when we come to [01:55:10.320] it. [01:55:12.000] >> Lastly, I also have some issues with Dr. [01:55:14.800] Eric Davis, Earth International and OSAP [01:55:17.920] physicist and main character of the [01:55:19.760] Wilson Davis notes and a character who [01:55:22.639] is often revered as a champion of UFO [01:55:25.440] disclosure we will arrive to shortly. [01:55:31.760] According to the recently uncovered BASS [01:55:34.080] 10-month report dated 30 July 2009, BASS [01:55:38.000] operated for OAP in the DIA under [01:55:40.320] contract number HHM42-08- [01:55:45.199] C-000072 [01:55:47.920] awarded 22 September 2008. [01:55:51.520] This contract detailed BASS was to quote [01:55:55.040] acquire buildings and ensure that they [01:55:57.040] conform to regulations concerning the [01:55:59.199] top secret security clearances needed to [01:56:01.599] operate and that the necessary qualified [01:56:04.880] personnel would be hired and would be [01:56:06.800] capable of researching advanced [01:56:08.800] aerospace technology under the rubric of [01:56:11.360] the following 12 designated areas: [01:56:14.639] lift, propulsion, control, power [01:56:17.360] generation, spatial/temporal [01:56:19.840] translation, material aterials, [01:56:22.080] configuration/structure, [01:56:24.320] signature reduction, human interface, [01:56:27.360] human effects, armament, and other areas [01:56:30.400] in support of 1 through 11. End quote. [01:56:34.320] By May to July of 2009, BASS reported [01:56:37.440] substantial progress in the procurement [01:56:39.520] of an underground vault. According to [01:56:42.400] Bass, quote, “The need for a highly [01:56:44.960] secure underground vault operated by [01:56:47.119] BASS became apparent in line with a vast [01:56:49.840] priority to pursue and acquire recovered [01:56:52.320] hardware and biological samples from the [01:56:55.520] corporate world andor from private [01:56:58.080] individuals and groups located [01:57:00.080] elsewhere.” End quotes. [01:57:02.960] Within this report, BAS detailed it had [01:57:05.760] designed a 5,000q ft vault to feature [01:57:09.119] 3-ft thick walls, ceilings, and floors [01:57:12.480] that was to exist 15 to 20 ft below [01:57:15.360] ground with multiple tunnels, security [01:57:17.679] doors, and at least one thick vault [01:57:20.639] steel door. Bass actually aimed for this [01:57:23.360] facility to be operational by late 2009 [01:57:26.320] or early 2010. [01:57:28.880] So why did Bass construct this facility? [01:57:32.639] Well, now we can actually point back to [01:57:34.800] Loheed and the attempted divestment of [01:57:37.040] UFO craft materials outlined by David [01:57:39.679] Grush. [01:57:41.920] Grush’s discussion that Loheed Martin [01:57:44.080] attempted to divest itself of UFO crash [01:57:46.719] materials to the OSAT program became [01:57:49.119] quite tangible in late 2024 around the [01:57:52.239] time of the November hearings on UFOs [01:57:54.719] that featured Alzando, Mike Gold, [01:57:57.119] Michael Shelonburgger, and Admiral Tim [01:57:59.040] Galedet. [01:58:00.880] Excellent UK journalist Christopher [01:58:02.800] Sharp began reporting on not one but two [01:58:05.760] instances in which Bass attempted to [01:58:08.080] transfer UFO craft materials out of [01:58:10.320] Lockheed to OAP within the DIA. Indeed, [01:58:13.920] Chris Sharp reported the second attempt [01:58:15.920] featured an attempt to create a [01:58:17.679] prospective special access program that [01:58:19.840] would operate as a waved USAP out of the [01:58:22.719] Department of Homeland Security. This [01:58:25.199] PAP to act as a catcher mid to secure [01:58:27.760] the materials was to be called Kona [01:58:30.000] Blue. But these efforts were thwarted by [01:58:32.800] CIA DS&T Deputy Director Glenn Gaffne. [01:58:37.440] This reporting by Sharp became a reality [01:58:39.840] in a packet of documents entered into [01:58:41.760] the hearing record by Tennessee [01:58:43.440] Representative Tim Burchett alongside [01:58:45.679] the November 2024 House Oversight [01:58:48.159] Subcommittee hearing on UFOs. [01:58:51.440] Now, I must preface here. The author or [01:58:54.159] compiler of this document package is [01:58:56.400] unknown, but I still find these [01:58:58.400] documents well worth referencing. [01:59:01.360] The first document details a dopser or [01:59:03.920] defense office of pre-publication and [01:59:06.159] security review document cleared for [01:59:08.159] open publication on 6th September 2023. [01:59:12.639] The document references a quote UAP [01:59:15.840] material divestment plan proposed to OAP [01:59:18.639] leadership by Loheed Martin space [01:59:20.719] systems vice president Dr. James Ryder, [01:59:24.239] now deceased. A specific facility known [01:59:27.360] to me was described as having crash [01:59:29.520] retrieval materials from the 1950s and [01:59:32.080] other historical operations. [01:59:34.639] They proposed a technology transfer [01:59:36.560] agreement into the proposed waved PAP [01:59:39.280] Senator Reid was championing. end quote. [01:59:43.040] The document then confirms the [01:59:44.960] technology transfer agreement was killed [01:59:47.199] by Glenn Gaffne, sitting deputy director [01:59:49.840] of the CIA’s Directorate of Science and [01:59:52.080] Technology. [01:59:54.320] Let’s take a long time here to break [01:59:56.719] this down. [01:59:58.800] Vice President of Loheed Martin Space [02:00:00.880] Systems, Dr. James Ryder, willingly wish [02:00:04.000] to divest Lockheed of certain materials [02:00:06.400] to OAP through a PAP called Kona Blue. [02:00:09.840] But the CIA DS&T blocked this transfer. [02:00:13.840] These materials were held in a secure [02:00:15.920] locked facility and were recovered in [02:00:18.159] the ’ 50s. We really need to dive into [02:00:21.040] this. [02:00:22.880] Believe it or not, we can actually thank [02:00:24.880] the All Domain Anomaly Resolution [02:00:26.719] Office, Arrow, an organization I [02:00:29.599] regularly accuse exists as a honeypot [02:00:32.480] for prospective UFO Legacy Program [02:00:34.560] whistleblowers. for a declassified [02:00:37.040] report on Kona Blue. The waved pap Dr. [02:00:39.760] James T. Ryder planned to use as a [02:00:41.920] vessel to transfer some of Lockheed’s [02:00:43.920] UFO craft and/or materials. [02:00:47.040] Of course, this declassified slide deck [02:00:49.280] by Arrow did not come without strings. [02:00:52.400] On 30 July 2025, disgraced ex deputy [02:00:55.920] director of Arrow Tim Phillips claimed [02:00:58.239] Kona Blue was established quote as the [02:01:01.599] home for all this paranormal UFO crap [02:01:04.639] end quote. Philillips additionally [02:01:06.960] attempted to claim multiple [02:01:08.239] whistleblowers and individuals who made [02:01:10.400] claims to Congress under oath regarding [02:01:13.040] UFO legacy program operations would site [02:01:16.239] Kona Blue as justification for their [02:01:18.560] claims. Of course, Philillips did not [02:01:21.599] provide examples, rationale, or evidence [02:01:24.320] to support these statements. Philip’s [02:01:27.119] track record of such claims are dubious [02:01:29.599] at best, as is his behavior pattern. [02:01:33.520] Tim Phillips, similar to Shan Kirkpatre, [02:01:35.679] former head of Arrow, has displayed a [02:01:37.760] pattern of emotional lash outs against [02:01:40.320] David Grush in particular. However, [02:01:42.960] whilst Shawn Kirkpatrick took the [02:01:44.800] podcast route, Philillip seemingly likes [02:01:47.119] to take to LinkedIn. [02:01:49.440] On his podcast with Event Horizon, [02:01:51.679] Philillips alluded to observing the [02:01:53.280] Majestic 12 Psalm 101. [02:01:56.639] On air, Philillips claimed the document [02:01:59.040] had no images, drawings, or figures [02:02:01.440] detailing the packaging of UFO [02:02:03.599] materials. [02:02:05.280] Offair to various podcasters, however, [02:02:07.679] Philillips would change his story, [02:02:09.280] claiming the document was chalk full of [02:02:11.360] images, diagrams, figures, etc. dealing [02:02:14.400] with material packaging. And I will [02:02:16.960] leave this up to podcasters to state [02:02:18.880] this publicly. But back to the DClass [02:02:22.080] Kona blue slide deck. This Kona blue [02:02:25.040] deck immediately shows clear ties to the [02:02:27.679] doppser cleared documents submitted to [02:02:29.679] hearing record by Congressman Timber. [02:02:33.440] We can see the doppser approved document [02:02:35.679] state Tara Oul of DHS Science and [02:02:38.719] Technology was approached to set up this [02:02:40.880] PAP. Indeed, in the D-class Kona Blue [02:02:43.920] documents, we can identify similar [02:02:45.840] information regarding OUL. [02:02:48.719] Obviously, the 2011 DHS Kona Blue PAP [02:02:52.560] technology transfer agreement was killed [02:02:54.639] and never saw the light of day. Official [02:02:57.679] explanations here stated DHS and other [02:03:00.560] involved agencies ultimately shut down [02:03:02.719] the Kona Blue proposal due to skepticism [02:03:06.080] regarding the authenticity of the [02:03:08.000] purported materials. However, as we have [02:03:11.119] already discussed here, there is more [02:03:13.679] than meets the eye, including highlevel [02:03:16.560] agency backing to stonewall this [02:03:18.960] transfer of materials through a [02:03:20.560] government controlled contract. [02:03:22.880] Nevertheless, the slide deck is still [02:03:25.199] quite intriguing. Maybe another topic [02:03:27.679] for another day, but for now, I would [02:03:30.159] like to return to Lockheed. [02:03:33.760] What about this Lockheed VP, Dr. James [02:03:36.880] T. rider that seemed to be willingly [02:03:39.520] prepared for Locky to rid itself of some [02:03:42.000] UFO crash materials, including Craft [02:03:44.480] Hall. And if some of my sources are [02:03:47.280] correct, the entire craft from the 1953 [02:03:50.400] Kingman, Arizona crash. [02:03:53.599] Why would Ryder and Lockheed be prepared [02:03:55.599] to hand over nonhuman materials to a DIA [02:03:58.719] program and other private contractor [02:04:01.280] BASS who could become competition to [02:04:03.920] Lockheed if it properly leveraged [02:04:06.239] non-human technology. [02:04:08.960] This is of course conjecture but I have [02:04:11.119] seen theories floating around as well as [02:04:13.119] both assertions from some of my sources [02:04:15.599] and statements made by Dr. Eric Davis [02:04:18.719] that this specific batch of deliverable [02:04:20.800] materials, craft hall or the entire [02:04:22.960] Kingman crash was so advanced and beyond [02:04:26.400] human comprehension that Loheed had no [02:04:29.280] success in exploiting the materials, [02:04:31.920] chemistry, metallurgy, etc. since the [02:04:34.800] 1950s. And Loheed was confident that no [02:04:38.159] DoD or contractor entity had the skills [02:04:41.119] or ability to even remotely gain a [02:04:43.599] foothold in leveraging this technology. [02:04:47.040] In this theory and rumors I have heard [02:04:49.119] swirling, Lockheed could have been [02:04:51.199] willing to offload a small section of [02:04:53.840] extremely complicated crash materials [02:04:57.040] and critical to note, not their entire [02:04:59.840] or even close to their entire catalog of [02:05:02.400] crash materials for myriad possible [02:05:04.880] reasons. [02:05:06.639] These reasons include Lockheed possibly [02:05:09.199] wishing to position themselves as a [02:05:11.040] quote unquote good guy in a [02:05:12.960] post-disclosure world, strategically [02:05:15.840] placing themselves as a contractor [02:05:17.920] willing to play ball if so to speak. A [02:05:20.639] contractor willing and able to share [02:05:22.960] incomprehensible UFO materials to other [02:05:25.679] contractors through official US DoD [02:05:28.159] channels for the good of US national [02:05:31.040] security in the wake of black budget [02:05:33.360] programs. [02:05:36.159] But I do want to mention this theory [02:05:38.320] locked couldn’t make heads or tails of [02:05:40.480] this Kona blue eligible UFO materials [02:05:43.760] was actually referenced by Dr. Eric [02:05:46.080] Davis who said in our interview UFO [02:05:49.599] material exploitation programs were shut [02:05:51.920] down in 1989 due to lack of progress. [02:05:55.119] And these statements by Davis are quite [02:05:57.599] disturbing to me. I mentioned earlier I [02:06:00.800] did have some issues with Dr. Eric Davis [02:06:03.040] and it is time to revisit those. I love [02:06:06.159] the man and of course have infamously [02:06:08.159] shared a salad lunch talk with him. Dr. [02:06:11.440] Eric boldly told me to my face there are [02:06:14.000] no such thing as alien reproduction [02:06:16.320] vehicles. That humans have never [02:06:18.960] successfully exploited any UFO [02:06:21.199] technology for use in aerospace [02:06:23.199] industry, let alone constructed quote [02:06:25.760] unquote copycat vehicles. [02:06:28.639] Viewers of my channel will of course [02:06:31.520] know I vehemently disagree with this [02:06:33.760] statement and have considered multiple [02:06:35.920] possibilities for this seemingly misin [02:06:38.639] statement from Davis. [02:06:40.960] These ideas range from an outright [02:06:43.440] egregious lie to Davis not being read [02:06:46.320] onto UFO USAPs that actively deal with [02:06:49.119] adapting nonhuman technology to US [02:06:52.000] aerospace platforms. [02:06:55.199] Davis worked closely with the OAP [02:06:57.360] program for the Loheed Martin material [02:06:59.520] transfer. Therefore, I have also [02:07:02.000] considered for quite a while the [02:07:03.760] possibility Dr. James Ryder fed Davis [02:07:07.119] these statements regarding ARV as a [02:07:09.520] counter intelligence or program [02:07:11.199] protection strategy. I have come to the [02:07:13.920] conclusion Davis willingly lied about [02:07:16.000] this statement, but that is another [02:07:17.599] story for another day. [02:07:20.159] Davis has seemingly acknowledged his [02:07:22.239] professional relationship with Ryder on [02:07:24.239] UFO legacy program operations. [02:07:27.360] After all, in a 2019 interview, Davis [02:07:30.159] alluded to Ryder and Loheed Martin [02:07:32.159] seeking out Davis in the OAP project, [02:07:34.719] pulling them in to the UFO legacy [02:07:36.800] program fold. Uh the other unofficial [02:07:39.760] way is you gain you build a level of [02:07:42.480] trust among certain individuals and uh [02:07:45.520] people within the network who uh after a [02:07:48.639] few years of knowing them you work with [02:07:50.159] them. They know who you are. They know [02:07:51.760] what you’re capable of. They know your [02:07:53.280] competencies and they want to bring the [02:07:56.639] topic up on an informal basis with you. [02:07:59.440] Sometimes not even on an informal basis. [02:08:01.679] They may want to bring the topic up [02:08:03.280] outside the realm of the security [02:08:04.880] apparatus but within a skiff. In other [02:08:07.520] words, there’s going to be no passing of [02:08:09.599] security clearances to establish that I [02:08:13.199] have am going to be allowed to be read [02:08:15.360] in on the crash recruitment program, but [02:08:17.119] they’ll bring me into a skiff and want [02:08:19.040] to talk informally in the skiff about it [02:08:21.599] and say, “Well, this is what we can tell [02:08:23.360] you, but there’s things that we can’t [02:08:25.920] tell you and we can tell you those [02:08:27.520] things if you can get the next level [02:08:30.079] security and authorization to get the [02:08:31.840] need to know and then we can do business [02:08:33.679] with you. But before we get to that [02:08:35.679] point, here’s what we can tell you uh [02:08:38.480] without having to cross that red line of [02:08:41.199] the need to know and the proper [02:08:42.880] clearances. So, so you you you work this [02:08:46.400] stuff out over a number of years, you [02:08:48.000] build networks and you find the right [02:08:50.079] people and then uh you know, you don’t [02:08:51.679] do it by knocking on doors. You do it [02:08:53.360] just through the happen stance of having [02:08:55.920] a contract with somebody or a [02:08:57.440] subcontract and you’re interfacing with [02:08:59.760] them and then lo and behold you find out [02:09:01.599] they’re the vice president or the [02:09:02.880] president of one of the legacy aerospace [02:09:04.560] corporations and uh they happen to be a [02:09:07.199] PhD of some sort of their you know some [02:09:09.360] discipline their own a STEM discipline [02:09:11.199] all all in their own accord and it just [02:09:13.280] so happens that they were a guy that [02:09:14.639] worked on the crash retrieval program. [02:09:16.239] Oh, lo and behold, and then they find [02:09:18.239] out that you’re working in UFOs. Uh [02:09:20.159] you’re on the UFO subject for a for a [02:09:22.639] DoD program, and they’ll say, “Well, [02:09:24.560] that’s wonderful. You’re officially uh [02:09:27.360] government contractor or subcontractor, [02:09:29.679] and you’re working with another [02:09:30.800] aerospace company.” Okay. Well, let’s [02:09:32.560] And you’re working on UFOs. Well, guess [02:09:34.079] what? We did it, too. And we don’t do it [02:09:36.639] now, but we did it in the past. And [02:09:38.239] here’s what we here’s what we can tell [02:09:41.040] you off the record. and here’s what we [02:09:43.199] can and here and you’ll have to go [02:09:45.440] another step before we can tell you what [02:09:47.119] it is on the record but it has to be [02:09:48.880] through that again you have to have the [02:09:50.880] right clearances you have to have the [02:09:52.239] authorization for the need to know and [02:09:54.719] then you can get the full story so [02:09:57.520] >> what is undeniable however is the fact [02:09:59.840] Dr. Eric Davis and Dr. Hal put off an [02:10:02.719] infamous UFO legacy program and sigh [02:10:05.440] program scientist would work together [02:10:08.000] with Dr. writer following his career at [02:10:10.239] Lockheed at the Starfire project. [02:10:13.920] Starfire tackled the controversial [02:10:16.159] electric sun hypothesis. But what is [02:10:18.800] important here is Ryder, put off and [02:10:20.960] Davis all served on the Starfire science [02:10:23.599] review team. [02:10:25.920] Dr. James or Jim Ryder was not just some [02:10:28.960] standard VP at Loheed Martin. From 2004 [02:10:32.960] to 2011, Ryder served as VP of Loheed [02:10:36.239] Martin space systems company. and head [02:10:39.040] of the Advanced Technology Center, an [02:10:41.199] R&D organization covering a diverse [02:10:43.760] range of tech, including solar and space [02:10:46.719] sciences. [02:10:48.320] Ryder unfortunately passed away suddenly [02:10:50.800] in 2018, and I do not think there is [02:10:54.000] some conspiracy surrounding his passing. [02:10:57.119] Ryder was an extremely bright scientist, [02:11:00.480] receiving a PhD in theoretical and [02:11:02.719] applied mechanics, a master’s in [02:11:05.119] engineering mechanics and a bachelor’s [02:11:07.119] in theoretical and applied mechanics [02:11:08.880] from the University of Illinois before [02:11:10.880] his almost 40-year career with Loheed [02:11:13.599] Martin. During the attempted OSAP [02:11:15.920] transfer, Ryder was actively serving as [02:11:18.159] VP of Loheed Martin Space Systems [02:11:20.320] Corporation and head of the Advanced [02:11:22.719] Technology Center, which by the way is [02:11:24.800] now called STAR. [02:11:27.280] His responsibilities here included [02:11:29.440] representing $9 billion worth of program [02:11:32.800] infrastructure annually for the Loheed [02:11:34.960] and Loheed Martin Space Systems [02:11:36.639] Corporation. These included quote [02:11:39.760] overseeing research and development for [02:11:41.679] the space systems company including [02:11:43.920] remote sensing and space science, [02:11:46.079] telecommunications and space-based [02:11:48.480] navigation, defensive systems and [02:11:51.119] strategic systems. The ATC research and [02:11:54.400] development portfolio covers a diverse [02:11:56.480] set of technologies including [02:11:58.400] phenomenology and sensors, optics and [02:12:01.119] electrooptics, [02:12:02.639] telecommunications and photonics, [02:12:04.880] guidance and navigation, modeling and [02:12:07.040] simulation, materials and structures, [02:12:09.119] thermal sciences, nanotechnology and [02:12:11.760] space sciences. End quote. [02:12:15.599] Ryder’s portfolio of projects is quite [02:12:18.159] intriguing to me as I am aware of [02:12:20.880] instances in which Loheed Martin worked [02:12:23.360] closely with the United States Army to [02:12:26.239] apply optics and electrooptics cloaking [02:12:28.880] technology to NGCV or next generation [02:12:32.239] combat vehicles that was derived from [02:12:35.040] metamaterials and exotic non-human [02:12:37.520] technologies. [02:12:40.000] Take my word for what it’s worth here, [02:12:42.079] but this effort, if true, alone proves [02:12:45.360] Davis’s comments wrong about no [02:12:47.920] instances ever in which humans have [02:12:50.079] applied nonhuman tech to human vehicles. [02:12:54.480] Like his seemingly absent obituary, [02:12:57.119] details on Ryder are actually quite [02:12:59.280] thin. We can find work of Ryder in [02:13:02.159] various DTI or Defense Technical [02:13:04.320] Information Center publications. [02:13:07.599] These include a February 1981 document [02:13:10.639] out of the Air Force Syscom Wright [02:13:12.800] Aeronautical Laboratory Materials Lab. [02:13:15.840] Writer’s work here was published on [02:13:17.760] quote the effect of load history on [02:13:19.920] fatigue life end quote. [02:13:23.280] Indeed, we can find a similar DTI Air [02:13:25.679] Force Syscom document from the Wright [02:13:27.440] Aeronautical Laboratory from April 1982 [02:13:30.320] that features Ryder. Here, Ryder is [02:13:33.280] credited with quote stiffness, strength, [02:13:35.360] and fatigue life relationships for [02:13:37.280] composite laminates. End quote. What [02:13:40.560] intrigues me tremendously are a series [02:13:42.960] of talks Ryder gave shortly before his [02:13:45.199] death in 2018. [02:13:47.840] In June of 2017, Dr. writer was a [02:13:51.040] speaker at the Arcane School Conference [02:13:53.360] in London held by the Lucius Trust, a [02:13:56.880] group that quote promotes recognition [02:13:58.960] and practice of the spiritual principles [02:14:01.199] and values upon which a stable and [02:14:03.760] interdependent world society may be [02:14:05.920] based end quote. [02:14:08.239] Ryder’s talk here was titled the [02:14:10.639] rendering of the veils part one fairies, [02:14:13.760] davas and unidentified aerial phenomena. [02:14:17.199] Uh, I use UAPs because a UFO is an [02:14:20.719] unexplained [02:14:22.400] flying object. [02:14:24.400] Um, [02:14:26.159] but UAP is uh unexplained aerial [02:14:30.320] phenomena [02:14:32.079] and they’re definitely aerial in that we [02:14:34.480] see them above the ground and they’re a [02:14:36.639] phenomena because h what’s that? [02:14:40.320] But I don’t like UFOs so much because it [02:14:42.400] assumes that they’re manned by some [02:14:44.320] creatures from a different planet or [02:14:45.920] star. So I feel like we’ve already just [02:14:48.000] made the answer before we I mean to the [02:14:50.079] question before we actually ask the [02:14:51.360] question [02:14:54.000] and I want to mention yes veil a little [02:14:56.079] bit and then I’ll go through these [02:14:57.360] charts pretty quickly. Um, [02:15:00.400] more I thought about veil, I actually [02:15:01.840] liked it better when I went and looked [02:15:03.199] it up. [02:15:05.840] But veil, if you look it up in uh in a [02:15:09.679] good dictionary, is a deceptive [02:15:12.639] appearance or a masking layer. Of [02:15:17.199] course, this esoteric discussion does [02:15:19.360] not see Ryder reference or even comment [02:15:21.760] on his own work on UFOs in a capacity [02:15:24.320] for Loheed Martin, but Ryder includes [02:15:27.119] some tremendously fascinating slides and [02:15:29.599] comments within this discussion. [02:15:32.239] These include Ryder referencing cave art [02:15:34.719] and ancient drawings of what appear to [02:15:36.719] be UFOs and nonhuman beings. [02:15:40.159] Ryder would even reference crop circles, [02:15:42.400] UFO videos, and interestingly, the 1980 [02:15:45.760] Rendlessham Forest incident. [02:15:48.639] Ryder gave two more incredibly [02:15:50.880] interesting talks prior to his passing [02:15:53.360] with the Lucius Trust. [02:15:55.760] Let’s then also reference this 2015 talk [02:15:58.480] titled, quote, “The soul is light. What [02:16:01.280] then is light?” End quote. I highly [02:16:04.560] recommend this talk for my audience who [02:16:06.480] is interested in the merging of esoteric [02:16:08.880] principles with physics. The talk here [02:16:11.599] is quite engaging with Ryder touching on [02:16:13.840] everything from the big bang theories to [02:16:16.000] comparing light and esotericism to [02:16:18.400] discussing human consciousness. [02:16:21.040] Ryder even thanks how put off in this [02:16:23.679] conference. [02:16:25.920] >> As my friend Dr. put off said it’s like [02:16:28.079] the manifest universe is instantly [02:16:32.800] intrinsically [02:16:34.639] interconnected [02:16:38.319] and that spaceime is some kind of an [02:16:40.639] entangled cosmic matrix whatever that [02:16:42.800] means yet [02:16:44.960] all beings are an inner penetrating [02:16:47.120] interdependent field at all times [02:16:48.960] interconnected at all levels this isn’t [02:16:51.599] coming out of [02:16:54.240] any esoteric greeting this is coming out [02:16:56.639] of science starting to face what’s in [02:16:59.280] the world as he wrote the boundary lines [02:17:02.240] dissolve between the physical and [02:17:03.840] metaphysical. [02:17:06.000] Um Dr. Putoff is a physicist in the [02:17:08.719] United States who’s been involved in [02:17:10.000] this a long time and this was recently [02:17:11.519] published in a major book this last [02:17:13.120] fall. [02:17:14.479] >> Lastly, I want to cover writer’s talk [02:17:16.639] given with Lucius Trust titled quote the [02:17:19.280] garment of God end quote given the same [02:17:22.240] year of his death in 2018. [02:17:25.840] If you wanted to study uh certain kinds [02:17:29.519] of things related to what’s called ESP [02:17:32.240] in the United States until very [02:17:35.120] recently, you had to hide it very [02:17:37.280] carefully [02:17:40.880] because you were crazy and then [02:17:42.319] government didn’t want you people to [02:17:43.679] think they’re supporting crazy stuff. [02:17:45.920] But if you wanted to do the work in [02:17:47.439] Russia, go right ahead. Fine. Here’s [02:17:49.679] your money. Because they’re not caught [02:17:51.920] in the religion that says it’s not [02:17:53.359] possible. [02:17:55.439] It’s a very interesting way to think of [02:17:57.760] these two countries. [02:18:00.000] >> Does this remind anyone else of the [02:18:02.399] words of Dr. Eric A. Walker, [02:18:05.040] self-admitted UFO crash retrieval [02:18:07.280] scientist among Vanavar Bush’s OSRD and [02:18:10.880] present member to the 1965 Kexsburg, [02:18:13.679] Pennsylvania crash. Walker told UFO [02:18:17.040] researcher Henry Azad Deahel when [02:18:19.040] referencing gaining access into UFO [02:18:21.359] legacy programs, quote, “How good is [02:18:24.479] your sixth sense? How much do you know [02:18:26.800] about ESP? Unless you know about it and [02:18:29.200] how to use it, you would not be taken [02:18:31.120] in. Only a few know about it.” End [02:18:33.920] quote. [02:18:35.439] And how bizarre is it here that a locked [02:18:37.840] VP that almost certainly had access to [02:18:40.960] highlevel UFO legacy program SAPS would [02:18:44.399] discuss the importance of ESP as did [02:18:48.160] allegedly the second director of skunk [02:18:50.800] works Ben Rich. [02:18:53.760] Jim Ryder appeared to be a genuinely [02:18:55.920] incredible man with insatiable curiosity [02:18:58.800] and openness to understand the world [02:19:00.639] around him. Was his retirement quest to [02:19:04.000] pursue esoteric and consciousness [02:19:06.000] related ideas a result from his [02:19:08.000] experiences with recovered nonhuman [02:19:10.479] vehicles? [02:19:12.000] Well, this is of course unknown. And [02:19:14.639] just how extensive was his involvement [02:19:16.880] at a VP level in Loheed Martin Tuo or [02:19:20.240] Technologies of Unknown Origins [02:19:22.319] Exploitation Programs? [02:19:24.800] Well, this is also unknown. [02:19:27.519] Though his motives and rationale for [02:19:29.280] attempting to offload some locked UFO [02:19:31.760] materials followed Ryder to the grave. [02:19:34.800] Maybe he did have some noble intentions [02:19:37.040] to bring more into the fold to study UFO [02:19:39.840] materials. [02:19:41.840] Ryder in a way reminds me of US Army [02:19:44.479] Futures Command Colonel Carl Nell, who [02:19:46.960] took the UFO community by storm with his [02:19:49.680] definitive statements regarding a [02:19:51.520] nonhuman presence on this planet. [02:19:54.319] Non-human intelligence exists. Non-human [02:19:57.040] intelligence has been interacting with [02:19:58.720] humanity. This interaction is not new [02:20:02.000] and it’s been ongoing and there are [02:20:04.240] unelected people in the government that [02:20:06.720] are aware of that. [02:20:08.640] >> And and so Carl, that is quite a bold [02:20:11.200] statement. Um [02:20:13.920] I’m wondering and I’m curious, how [02:20:16.319] confident are you that that is true? [02:20:19.280] >> There is zero doubt. [02:20:22.000] Nell has served as an outspoken advocate [02:20:24.240] for David Grush in the existence of [02:20:26.479] technologies of unknown origin. One has [02:20:30.000] to wonder if this zero doubt arose from [02:20:33.200] Nell’s deputy CTO and director of [02:20:35.760] systems engineering and integration for [02:20:38.560] 13 years on Northrup Grumman or possibly [02:20:41.760] as a senior systems engineer for 2 years [02:20:44.399] at Loheed Martin where he was quote [02:20:47.200] responsible for missionritical [02:20:48.800] operations of a sophisticated national [02:20:51.359] satellite constellation. [02:20:53.680] After all, while serving as Northrup’s [02:20:55.840] deputy CTO, Nell was additionally [02:20:58.319] serving as command representative to US [02:21:00.720] Sentcom for Army Foreign Material [02:21:03.600] Program. [02:21:05.280] In 2025, Nell would speak at Archives of [02:21:08.399] the Impossible Convention, where his [02:21:10.319] discussion of UFOs started to touch into [02:21:13.280] similar ideas of consciousness, [02:21:15.200] metaphysics, and more similar to Ryder [02:21:18.240] shortly before his death. [02:21:20.319] consciousness isn’t just part of the [02:21:22.080] like esoteric and metaphysical [02:21:23.840] experience but it can be brought under [02:21:25.840] the aegis of some sort of uh expanded [02:21:28.560] science and once we do that then we can [02:21:31.760] uh engineer with that. So these things I [02:21:34.319] think are are heretical in the sense [02:21:36.160] that people don’t accept them and it it [02:21:38.720] results in really a a firewalling off of [02:21:43.200] um whole aspects of reality and um you [02:21:46.960] know our sort of I go back [02:21:50.319] Yeah, there we go. Um, so I would submit [02:21:53.520] that this idea of agnosticism is really [02:21:55.760] not a viable worldview because you’re [02:21:58.160] missing these aspects of reality that [02:21:59.920] are essential to an integrated picture. [02:22:02.160] And frankly, any more advanced [02:22:03.840] civilization that we might be dealing [02:22:05.520] with in the context of NHI and UAP would [02:22:09.040] have already got to this state. And in [02:22:11.359] order to try to understand that, engage [02:22:13.040] with it, you know, we’ve got to [02:22:14.240] appreciate that. The other uh concept is [02:22:17.439] you know their science has probably [02:22:18.800] progressed to the point where they can [02:22:20.160] they can do these type of engineering um [02:22:23.840] uh capabilities and we may be [02:22:25.600] experiencing that as well technologies [02:22:27.359] that have sentience. [02:22:29.760] There is however an additional locked VP [02:22:32.960] who often worked with Ryder allegedly on [02:22:36.000] UFO legacy programs. I do not know if [02:22:39.439] this VP assisted in shutting down the [02:22:42.080] technology transfer through Kona Blue, [02:22:44.479] but a strong argument can be made with [02:22:46.880] her ties to US intelligence and CIA [02:22:50.000] DS&T. [02:22:52.720] And I would now like to formally [02:22:54.720] identify this former Lockheed VP as a [02:22:57.680] highlevel member of Loheed UFO Legacy [02:23:00.640] Program Operations. [02:23:03.280] Meet Mary Sturivant, former Loheed [02:23:06.720] Martin vice president of intelligence [02:23:08.960] joint and science technology programs. [02:23:12.080] Active in the year of the attempted [02:23:13.680] transfer 2011, who also served as Loheed [02:23:17.439] Martin vice president for government [02:23:19.120] affairs from 2006 to 2021. [02:23:23.439] Sturivant’s background rivals any [02:23:25.840] highlevel UFO legacy program member or [02:23:28.399] gatekeeper I have discussed on this [02:23:30.319] channel before including Donald Kerr [02:23:32.880] Shawn Kirkpatre and Eric Walker [02:23:37.840] but super fast to flesh things out just [02:23:40.160] a little more bear with me for a super [02:23:42.479] quick sidetrack from Sturivant and let’s [02:23:45.439] quickly revisit who blocked the Ryder [02:23:48.000] OAP UFO material transfer Glenn Gaffne [02:23:51.680] deputy director of the CIA’s Directorate [02:23:53.840] of Science and Technology. [02:23:56.000] CIA DS&T has been a frequent tricky [02:23:58.720] customer of my channel as an [02:24:00.479] intelligence structure critical to UFO [02:24:02.880] legacy programs. [02:24:04.960] These include the CIA DS&T’s involvement [02:24:07.920] in UFO legacy programs and underwater [02:24:10.880] UFO recoveries as highlighted in my Navy [02:24:13.840] UFO programs project as well as the 2003 [02:24:18.080] creation of the CIA’s Office of Global [02:24:20.800] Access by then CIA DS&T Deputy Director [02:24:24.319] Carl Wolf. [02:24:26.319] The CIA OGA has been implicated by [02:24:29.359] myself, Chris Sharp, and others as [02:24:31.600] serving as a logistics coordinating [02:24:33.680] intelligence office for foreign UFO [02:24:36.080] crash retrieval operations. [02:24:38.880] And in my Navy UFO Legacy Programs [02:24:41.520] video, a critical component of such [02:24:43.680] clandestine programs alongside CIA DS&T [02:24:47.200] discussed was the CIA Directorate of [02:24:49.920] Operations, less formerly called the [02:24:52.240] Clandestine Service. But back to [02:24:55.359] Sturivant. [02:24:57.520] Recall how I just mentioned Donald Kerr [02:24:59.760] as a very senior, very qualified UFO [02:25:02.640] legacy program veteran, and he is very [02:25:05.920] poignant to reference while discussing [02:25:07.920] DS&T and the office that blocked Ryder’s [02:25:10.960] divestment efforts. [02:25:13.200] Kerr joined SIC in 1993 as a corporate [02:25:16.640] executive and vice president and [02:25:18.479] director. Kerr’s resume includes quote [02:25:22.319] director of Los Alamos from 1979 to [02:25:24.960] 1985, president and director of EG&G [02:25:28.640] from 1989 to 1992, [02:25:31.600] deputy director for science and [02:25:33.120] technology CIA 2001 to 2005, director of [02:25:37.200] the NRO 2005 to 2007, and principal [02:25:40.960] deputy director of national intelligence [02:25:42.960] 2007 to 2009. End quote. Kerr [02:25:46.800] additionally served senior board level [02:25:49.040] positions at both sic and the MITER [02:25:51.680] Corporation, two of the largest entities [02:25:54.160] I strongly believe are entwined with UFO [02:25:57.439] programs. [02:25:59.200] Now let’s transfer that same analysis [02:26:01.359] and scrutiny to Mary Sturivant, former [02:26:04.399] Loheed Martin vice president of [02:26:06.080] intelligence joint and science and [02:26:07.920] technology programs and Loheed Martin VP [02:26:10.720] government affairs from 2006 to 2021. [02:26:15.520] Sturivant is largely a ghost with [02:26:18.640] extremely little available information [02:26:21.120] on the internet. Fortunately, sparse [02:26:24.399] mentions a glowing celebration of her [02:26:26.560] work by the NRO in volume 3 of leaders [02:26:29.680] of the NRO as well as old Senate Select [02:26:32.960] Committee on Intelligence Documents [02:26:34.800] allow us to fill insights into [02:26:36.640] Sturivant’s startling history. [02:26:40.160] Prior to her government service, [02:26:41.920] Sturdivant worked at BDM or the Bradock [02:26:44.560] Dunn and Macdonald Corporation where she [02:26:46.800] quote conducted research and analysis on [02:26:49.920] a wide range of defense and arms control [02:26:52.479] issues end quote. According to a White [02:26:55.359] House statement on the appointment of [02:26:57.040] Mary Sturivant, the bright young [02:26:59.200] professional also worked on technology [02:27:01.920] transfer projects at BDM. [02:27:05.200] Bradock, Don, and Macdonald should not [02:27:07.040] be a new name to returning viewers of my [02:27:09.200] channel. I have directly implicated BDM [02:27:12.160] and its 1997 buyer, TRW, as well as [02:27:16.000] TRW’s 2002 buyer, North of Grumman, in [02:27:18.960] UFO legacy program operations. And [02:27:21.439] quickly, for the importance of [02:27:23.040] Sturivant, let’s review these. [02:27:25.920] BDM was a technical services firm that [02:27:28.479] headquartered at Fort Bliss, Texas, [02:27:30.560] White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico, [02:27:32.479] and Hollowman Air Force Base, New [02:27:34.160] Mexico. BDM specialized and worked [02:27:37.280] primarily with missile guidance, applied [02:27:39.520] optics, electronic instrumentation, and [02:27:41.920] radiation physics. [02:27:44.319] BDM was founded in 1959 around the same [02:27:47.680] time as MITER in the Aerospace [02:27:49.760] Corporation. Two federally funded [02:27:52.319] research and development centers I [02:27:54.000] consider absolutely paramount to UFO [02:27:57.040] legacy programs. [02:27:59.840] BDM was named specifically by Commander [02:28:02.640] Will Miller of the Wilson Davis memo in [02:28:04.960] the year 2000. Miller stated numerous [02:28:08.160] government individuals such as Defense [02:28:10.240] Intelligence Agency directors, who in [02:28:12.960] this case could have been Vice Admiral [02:28:14.560] Thomas Wilson, were isolated from UFO [02:28:17.200] knowledge. The quote unquote keepers of [02:28:19.920] the secrets resided in DoD middle [02:28:22.399] management according to Miller and [02:28:24.240] civilian contractors like Boeing, [02:28:26.720] Lockheed, SIC, and BDM. [02:28:30.399] As I stated in the North Project, BDM [02:28:32.960] could warrant its own video. But for [02:28:34.960] now, I leave you with this. I have [02:28:37.600] talked ad nauseium of Major General [02:28:39.920] Albert Stubblebine and how his [02:28:42.160] department, US Army Insomn or [02:28:44.319] Intelligence and Security Command and [02:28:46.960] their previous special forces unit, the [02:28:49.040] Intelligence Support Activity, or ISA, [02:28:52.000] have been historically involved with UFO [02:28:54.240] crash retrieval. In 1984, Stubble was [02:28:58.080] replaced as head of INSCOM and went on [02:29:00.080] to serve as vice president for BDM. [02:29:03.439] BDM would even host an advanced [02:29:05.680] theoretical physics conference the [02:29:07.280] following year to discuss UFO reverse [02:29:09.680] engineering opportunities. [02:29:12.080] Stubblebine and Sturivant could have [02:29:14.640] certainly crossed paths at BDM. [02:29:18.560] BDM also hosted Naval Rear Admiral Sumar [02:29:21.920] Shapiro on its board. Shapiro of course [02:29:24.560] spoke to Bob Echler at the [02:29:26.080] recommendation of longtime subject of [02:29:28.160] this channel, Admiral Bobby Ray Inman [02:29:31.120] regarding UFOs he himself had studied up [02:29:34.160] close. Recovered UFOs that featured [02:29:36.960] unique interlocking components that had [02:29:39.280] to be disassembled in an exact sequence [02:29:42.000] to be put back together. UFOs that teams [02:29:45.120] would take the craft apart, pack them [02:29:47.200] up, and ship them around the country to [02:29:49.280] different laboratories. [02:29:54.240] Sturivant began her career at the CIA in [02:29:57.120] 1985 at the Directorate of [02:29:59.439] Intelligence’s Technology Transfer [02:30:01.600] Assessment Center as an analyst focused [02:30:04.319] on the role of Soviet intelligence in [02:30:06.560] the acquisition of Western Dualuse [02:30:08.960] technology. [02:30:10.800] Sturdivant would also work within the [02:30:12.720] CIA counter intelligence center before [02:30:15.040] being recruited to the Senate Select [02:30:16.880] Committee on Intelligence where she [02:30:18.800] served for 8 years. [02:30:21.439] Sturivant quote evaluated tactical [02:30:23.920] military programs, provided advice on [02:30:26.479] CIA programs, and served as budget [02:30:29.439] director responsible for all the staff [02:30:31.760] support for the annual authorization of [02:30:34.080] the intelligence budget. End quote. [02:30:38.080] Sturdant would then return to CIA as [02:30:40.560] agency comproller, support director of [02:30:42.960] central intelligence strategic decision, [02:30:45.120] and introduced information technology to [02:30:47.439] office functions. [02:30:49.520] In 2001, Sturivant was appointed to [02:30:52.399] special assistant to the president and [02:30:55.439] senior director for intelligence [02:30:57.200] programs National Security Council under [02:30:59.840] George W. Bush. And this was before [02:31:02.960] being named the NRO’s deputy director of [02:31:05.760] national support from 2004 to 2006. [02:31:10.640] Believe it or not, Sturivant’s resume [02:31:13.120] does not stop there, but her online [02:31:16.160] footprint disappears majorly around the [02:31:18.720] time she joined Loheed Martin as VP of [02:31:21.600] intelligence joint and science and [02:31:23.280] technology programs. [02:31:25.520] We can piece together documents and data [02:31:27.840] to show she operated in this role at [02:31:30.160] least from 2011 to 2015. [02:31:34.240] 2011, of course, is the year of our [02:31:36.560] thwarted technology transfer. [02:31:39.520] But now is where I take a step to [02:31:41.120] reference this conflict of interest. [02:31:43.680] Gaffne and the CIA DS&T stopped Loheed [02:31:46.880] VP James Ryder from divesting UFO craft [02:31:50.479] and/or materials. A fellow very senior [02:31:54.160] locked VP and co-orker of this rider at [02:31:57.040] this time was Stivvant. [02:31:59.520] Well, in 1999, Sturivant was named [02:32:02.720] Deputy Director Clandestine Information [02:32:05.520] Technology Office at the CIA, an office [02:32:08.960] that formed and operated as a joint [02:32:11.280] venture between the CIA’s Directorate of [02:32:13.920] Operations, which I have implicated in [02:32:16.319] Naval UFO Legacy Programs, and the CIA [02:32:20.960] Directorate of Science and Technology. [02:32:24.160] Did Sturivant engage with Gaffne to [02:32:26.720] thwart her coworker and block this [02:32:28.880] technology transfer? [02:32:31.359] Once an individual joins the agency, [02:32:33.920] they are agency for life. Did Sturant’s [02:32:37.920] previous work for CIA and specifically [02:32:40.640] DS&T command her allegiances far more [02:32:44.240] than her position at Lockheed and [02:32:46.000] coworker Ryder? Well, this is of course [02:32:48.640] unknown, but this is a fascinating new [02:32:50.880] thread well worth exploring and a thesis [02:32:53.439] I think is very strong. [02:32:56.960] And perhaps we have more here to work [02:32:59.280] with. I would like to take this moment [02:33:01.680] to kindly ask for comment from [02:33:04.080] Christopher Melon on Mary Stivant. [02:33:07.359] After all, the two formally had a [02:33:10.080] professional relationship. [02:33:12.240] We can see a 1989 memorandum for record [02:33:15.200] regarding the Senate Select Committee on [02:33:17.040] Intelligence with SSCI members Mary [02:33:20.080] Sturivant and Christopher Melon in [02:33:22.080] attendance. Before his higher level [02:33:24.640] roles within US DoD, Melon did serve as [02:33:27.840] a professional staff member on SSCI from [02:33:30.800] ’ 89 to 96. [02:33:33.600] I will preface Sturdivant and Melon [02:33:36.080] attending perfectly normal SSCI [02:33:38.479] briefings was not a one-off. We can see [02:33:41.520] on screen now at least up to 1992 the [02:33:44.640] two continued to both attend various [02:33:47.040] professional briefings and through 1996 [02:33:50.640] specifically the period of 1 January to [02:33:53.280] 31 March 1996 [02:33:55.840] the two displayed identical perdm and [02:33:58.960] transportation costs implying the two [02:34:01.840] likely traveled to and attended the same [02:34:04.160] series of meetings in this period. [02:34:10.399] My good friend and incredible researcher [02:34:12.720] Rob Jones has introduced a third party [02:34:15.359] possibly involved or responsible for [02:34:17.520] thwarting writer’s efforts with strange [02:34:20.479] ties back to Lockheed [02:34:22.880] outside of Gaffne and possibly [02:34:24.960] Sturivant. The research of Jones, the [02:34:27.359] words of Eric Davis and reporting of [02:34:29.200] journalist Christopher Sharp has brought [02:34:31.680] forth one Robert Cardillo as a possible [02:34:34.960] final authority in blocking the material [02:34:37.120] transfer. [02:34:39.280] At the time of the locked transfer, [02:34:41.200] Cardillo served as DDNI or deputy [02:34:44.399] director of national intelligence for [02:34:46.160] intelligence integration. Cardio served [02:34:49.200] numerous, and I mean numerous, highle [02:34:52.319] positions within US intelligence. [02:34:55.600] Outside of his role as DDNI, these [02:34:57.920] positions included sixth director of the [02:35:00.560] National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, [02:35:02.800] NGA, and the deputy director of the [02:35:05.600] Defense Intelligence Agency. While not [02:35:08.560] definitive and Cardillo’s veto of Locky [02:35:11.120] transferring UFO materials through a [02:35:12.800] waved PAP is still alleged, Jones [02:35:15.760] details some rather intriguing and [02:35:17.840] compelling data surrounding Cardo. [02:35:21.280] In his excellent work, Subrosa, Rob [02:35:24.479] Jones explores the question of following [02:35:26.880] the failed Kona efforts if Loheed Martin [02:35:29.840] still actually wished to offload certain [02:35:32.560] UFO materials, craft and parts and what [02:35:36.080] ultimately became of these materials [02:35:38.240] after two failed efforts. [02:35:41.200] Here Jones offers a compelling theory. [02:35:43.600] Loheed sold or otherwise transferred [02:35:46.000] these materials to the SA organization. [02:35:49.359] The SAI organization rose in 2010 from [02:35:52.160] the selloff of Loheed Martin’s [02:35:53.840] Enterprise Integration Group EIG, a [02:35:57.040] quote unit deeply involved in highly [02:36:00.000] classified systems engineering for US [02:36:02.160] intelligence agencies end quote. [02:36:05.280] Veraritoss Capital, who is the focal [02:36:07.439] point of Jones’s incredible research [02:36:09.520] here in Subrosa. And no, I won’t dive [02:36:12.240] too much into Veraritoss as this is, in [02:36:14.479] my opinion, Rob Jones’s Magnum Opus. [02:36:17.840] acquired this former division of [02:36:19.280] Lockheed for $815 million in cash and [02:36:23.359] promptly rebranded it as the SAI [02:36:25.920] organization Inc. [02:36:28.399] acquisition of Lockheed’s EIG allowed [02:36:31.120] Veraritoss Capital to enjoy a [02:36:33.040] significant portion of Loheed’s black [02:36:35.120] program work including contracts with [02:36:37.680] the NSA, NRO, CIA and private defense [02:36:41.120] industrial-based contractors. [02:36:44.000] SI organization was in 2014 merged under [02:36:47.200] Veraritoss Capital with Kinetic [02:36:49.280] rebranding this new entity as Venor [02:36:53.200] containing numerous legacy black [02:36:55.040] programs from the days of Lockheed EIG. [02:36:57.680] Venor was then merged again under [02:36:59.920] Veraritoss Capital with other firms to [02:37:02.080] create Perspecta Inc. [02:37:05.600] In 2021, Veraritoss Capital brought back [02:37:08.720] Perspecta Inc. under private ownership, [02:37:10.960] forming Paraton after a transaction of [02:37:13.600] $7.1 billion. [02:37:16.319] Recently, Paraton even acquired Northup [02:37:18.800] Grumman’s federal IT and mission support [02:37:21.359] services for $3.4 billion. [02:37:25.840] So essentially Rob’s theory states in [02:37:28.240] 2010/2021 [02:37:30.240] after successful thwarting attempts by [02:37:32.240] Cardo Loheed may have proceeded to [02:37:35.600] successfully offload materials through [02:37:37.840] the SAI organization an $815 million [02:37:41.280] cash transaction that saw Loheed [02:37:43.120] Martin’s enterprise integration group [02:37:45.120] purchased by Veraritoss Capital. [02:37:47.760] Eventually, after a complex series of [02:37:50.000] business dealings, many of Loheed’s [02:37:52.080] black program projects and possibly some [02:37:54.640] UFO materials evolved to exist under a [02:37:58.000] group called Paraton. [02:38:00.319] Well, here is where this gets [02:38:01.920] interesting. In May of 2019 to the [02:38:05.040] present day, Robert Cardillo joined [02:38:07.680] Paraton on the board of adviserss. So by [02:38:11.359] 2019, Cardillo joined the board of the [02:38:13.920] very group that may have received [02:38:15.840] Lockheed’s divested UFO materials. [02:38:19.920] After all of this, questions still [02:38:22.160] remain. What UFO materials were Locki [02:38:25.200] trying to divest? Why did elements of [02:38:28.160] the intelligence community stonewall the [02:38:30.319] transfer? And what became of these [02:38:32.479] materials? [02:38:34.479] Well, to answer these questions as [02:38:36.319] concisely as possible in a [02:38:37.920] conclusion/summary to this incredibly [02:38:40.479] long segment, I believe with rather [02:38:43.359] moderate to high conviction, the [02:38:44.960] materials in question was part to the [02:38:47.120] entirety of the 1953 Kingman, Arizona [02:38:49.920] crash. I believe James Ryder may very [02:38:53.439] well have been a wild card, and this [02:38:55.760] specific wreckage proved challenging for [02:38:57.840] Locky to study and exploit. So, Ryder [02:39:00.160] wished to bring in fresh teams and fresh [02:39:02.319] minds. [02:39:03.920] I also believe elements of the IC, [02:39:06.560] specifically the CIA’s Directorate of [02:39:08.720] Science and Technology, likes to [02:39:10.960] maintain strict organization and program [02:39:13.520] oversight to UFO legacy program [02:39:15.600] operations and wish to maintain the [02:39:18.240] status quo and not invite new fresh [02:39:21.120] contractors into the UFO portfolio [02:39:23.520] without full agency support, [02:39:26.479] especially when these new prospective [02:39:28.720] organizations are defense contractors [02:39:31.200] and not agency supported. and staffed in [02:39:33.760] highly trusted advanced UFO research and [02:39:36.560] development experts, federally funded [02:39:38.640] research and development centers. [02:39:41.200] I believe Rob Jones presents a [02:39:43.120] compelling theory that Loheed severed a [02:39:45.040] limb of its own in a complex business [02:39:47.439] transaction with Veraritoss Capital to [02:39:49.680] finally get rid of these specific [02:39:51.520] materials. [02:39:53.040] All this is to say, I do not under any [02:39:55.600] circumstances think that the attempted [02:39:57.439] Kona Blue PAP would have seen Lockheed [02:39:59.760] divest itself of its entire UFO [02:40:02.319] portfolio. [02:40:03.840] Just as I do not think that Lockheed was [02:40:06.080] supposed to deliver its materials back [02:40:07.920] to US DoD in 1989, per the words of Eric [02:40:11.200] Davis. As many who watch my channel [02:40:13.920] know, I strongly theorize Loheed is [02:40:16.319] involved in all aspects of UFO legacy [02:40:19.520] program operations, [02:40:21.439] ranging from crash retrieval to material [02:40:23.840] exploitation to technology reverse [02:40:26.000] engineering to alien reproduction [02:40:27.840] vehicle prototyping, construction, and [02:40:29.920] testing. I strongly suspect that Kona [02:40:33.200] Blue offers us a hyperspecific look at [02:40:36.479] just one slice of the Loheed Martin UFO [02:40:39.680] Legacy Program portfolio that dealt with [02:40:42.319] a particularly complex and challenging [02:40:45.120] selection of craft materials. [02:40:48.960] My friends, it is Gerb. And like always, [02:40:51.680] if you are still with me to this point, [02:40:53.520] thank you so much for joining me on what [02:40:56.560] I consider an extremely special [02:40:58.880] investigation and adventure into Loheed [02:41:01.280] Martin. Now, before we do my usual rant, [02:41:04.880] there is a thanks in order here. I need [02:41:08.000] to thank Xander Jones of the Dreamland [02:41:10.560] Motel Channel for providing the [02:41:12.479] excellent, excellent music today. [02:41:14.720] Absolutely excellent. Uh, Xander Jones [02:41:17.359] is super talented and not only is his [02:41:19.760] music good, but his channel’s awesome as [02:41:21.439] well. He’s also the producer for the [02:41:23.200] Night Shift channel run by Clint Weldon. [02:41:26.000] You can see I’m wearing their merch [02:41:27.200] right there. Clint and Xander are both [02:41:29.359] friends of the channel. Love those guys. [02:41:30.960] Love both of their channels. So, check [02:41:32.560] them out. Uh, you guys know I don’t [02:41:34.479] usually do or have ever done shoutouts [02:41:36.880] really. So, yeah, just a huge thanks to [02:41:38.720] Xander. Uh, he’s really helped me level [02:41:40.640] up the game with the music and he’s [02:41:42.399] great. But, let’s dive into things now. [02:41:46.240] As I said at the very beginning, we have [02:41:48.800] covered locked on this channel before [02:41:50.800] and in most of my videos, whether it’s [02:41:53.840] TR3B and triangles or north of Grumman [02:41:56.960] or really anything, Lockheed is always a [02:41:59.840] general topic. Now, I was thinking back [02:42:02.479] and I rewatched my original locked video [02:42:05.120] for this project. And what I wanted to [02:42:07.040] do for this project was [02:42:09.760] almost not touch on anything I spoke [02:42:12.160] about in my original locked project. As [02:42:14.560] I stated, I believe that project was [02:42:16.240] unfocused. I believe it was not deep [02:42:19.200] enough. And I think I went the wrong [02:42:20.880] routes in that project. I was looking [02:42:22.720] more so at Don Phillips, Boyd Bushman, [02:42:25.439] the glamorous whistleblowers, Fuche, [02:42:27.520] who’s Yeah, I know I pronounced his name [02:42:29.520] wrong then, but I I I looked in the [02:42:32.160] wrong directions. And for this project, [02:42:34.319] I have been wanting to do this for quite [02:42:36.000] a while to get back to my roots and use [02:42:38.720] the same sort of approach I have used [02:42:41.280] with SIC and North of Grumman to [02:42:43.200] investigate Lockheed. And so I I I’m [02:42:46.080] thrilled to have revisited this. And of [02:42:49.359] course, this project is about 2 hours [02:42:51.120] and 15 minutes longer than that original [02:42:53.120] venture, which was already like 35 [02:42:55.040] minutes, I think, my longest video at [02:42:56.960] the time. And I think that I we have a [02:43:01.439] special investigation here. And let’s go [02:43:03.680] through bit by bit. I tried hard, as I [02:43:06.560] just said, not to kind of retread an old [02:43:08.640] ground I’ve touched on with Locked. And [02:43:11.439] it could have been all too easy to spend [02:43:12.960] the vast majority of this video just [02:43:14.479] retalking about Fuché and Loheed working [02:43:16.560] as a prime contractor on TR3B. But for [02:43:19.680] the first part of this project and some [02:43:22.160] of the or initial stuff, I really wanted [02:43:24.640] to drill in on the defense industrial [02:43:26.960] base. Now, this is one of the uh not [02:43:31.520] first, but one of the newer times I’ve [02:43:33.280] really hammered in on the subject of [02:43:34.800] defense industrial base. I of course [02:43:37.439] discussed the defense industrial base [02:43:39.280] contractors with Ellen Lord and SIC when [02:43:42.319] um Ellen Lord expanded DIB contractors [02:43:45.279] access to SAP scientists, SAP security, [02:43:47.840] DoD assets, etc. And then she ran off to [02:43:50.240] SIC. But the defense industrial base is [02:43:53.040] a very very very wide very wide term. Of [02:43:57.760] course, it encompasses defense [02:43:59.200] contractors. It encompasses MRTFBs. It [02:44:01.840] encompasses RDT& labs. It encompasses [02:44:04.880] FFRDC’s and UARCs. And I think that if [02:44:08.479] you start to look at clandestine, RDT&A, [02:44:12.000] CAP, SAP, you can start to really look [02:44:14.880] at the DIIB from the outside and start [02:44:16.880] to piece a lot of things together. Uh, [02:44:20.160] as we talked about, nine out of the 10 [02:44:21.840] largest defense contractors in the [02:44:23.359] world. I have directly accused or have [02:44:25.040] come across information operate in UFO [02:44:27.840] legacy program operations as well as how [02:44:30.160] many MRTFBs are there? I might be [02:44:31.680] getting this wrong cuz I’m doing my [02:44:33.279] rant, but I believe 23 and at least 16 [02:44:37.200] of those same thing come across um [02:44:39.840] various claims or my own research or [02:44:42.160] sources I trust greatly who have talked [02:44:43.920] about various MRTFBs. Same with the [02:44:46.640] FFRDC’s and Uarks. And if you skip [02:44:49.680] through the entire video and are just [02:44:51.279] joining me now for some reason, which I [02:44:52.960] don’t know why, remember the way that I [02:44:56.479] analyze UFO legacy program operations, I [02:44:59.920] try and really focus in on the missing [02:45:02.479] link of these programs. When many people [02:45:05.040] speak, they think that the US DoD or IC, [02:45:08.399] and we’re not talking about the people [02:45:09.680] who use the enigmatic they as the US [02:45:12.560] government here, but specific aspects of [02:45:14.399] DoD or IC, whether it’s the office of [02:45:17.040] the secretary of defense, whether it’s [02:45:18.560] maybe DARPA in DoD, maybe DARPA, uh, or, [02:45:22.960] you know, the NRO, NSA, CIA, and they [02:45:26.399] say that there’s just magical UFO legacy [02:45:29.120] programs that these DoD or IC assets and [02:45:32.800] agencies use with defense prime [02:45:34.800] contractors like Northup Grumman, like [02:45:36.479] Rathon, like Lockheed, like Amentum, [02:45:38.399] like SEIC, and that’s it. But the [02:45:42.160] missing link that I try and point out [02:45:43.439] are the FFRDC’s, the MITER, which is in [02:45:46.080] my opinion the largest FFRDC involved in [02:45:48.720] UFO legacy program operations, and how [02:45:51.200] these subject matter experts and RDT&ES [02:45:54.720] kind of serve as project managers. And [02:45:57.760] because these institutions are [02:45:59.200] semi-private, the DoD and IC can still [02:46:01.920] retain information control, access to [02:46:04.160] materials that the FFRDC can then dole [02:46:06.960] out to various contractors and a need to [02:46:09.359] know uh bigot list access list, a SAP [02:46:12.399] cap basis. But what’s interesting to me [02:46:15.040] is it seems like Loheed Martin has [02:46:17.279] unprecedented access to not only UFO [02:46:20.319] RDT& but also recovered craft as we see [02:46:23.279] in the Kona blue. Loheed has so many [02:46:25.520] materials. Jim Ryder and possibly Mary [02:46:28.960] Sturivant can just get rid of a a couple [02:46:33.200] pieces of bulkhead as they see fit [02:46:34.960] because Jim Ryder wants that to happen [02:46:37.600] for any number of reasons. [02:46:40.319] It seems odd that a defense contractor [02:46:42.240] could be so cavalier as to offload [02:46:44.560] divevest materials of non-human origin. [02:46:47.439] Now, why is this? The Lockheed [02:46:49.279] Corporation has existed before most [02:46:51.600] FFRDC’s. I’m not talking about the [02:46:53.920] Sandia. I’m not talking about the [02:46:55.279] Lawrence Liverour, the Los Alamos, the [02:46:57.520] National Lab, DOE National Labs, but I’m [02:47:00.000] talking about uh FFRDC’s like MITER, [02:47:02.640] like the Aerospace Corporation. Most of [02:47:04.560] these were started in 1959, 1960. Uh [02:47:07.920] MITER 1959 after your engineers on the [02:47:10.560] Sage project, which was a large radar [02:47:12.800] array from uh I think Lincoln Labs and [02:47:15.439] MIT started up MITER and aerospace spun [02:47:17.680] off from TRW. But these were started [02:47:20.160] around the time that actually Phil Corso [02:47:22.160] said uh UFO technologies were starting [02:47:24.720] to be seated into US defense [02:47:26.319] contractors. But it seems like even [02:47:27.760] before that locked may have been sort of [02:47:30.319] a subject matter expert maybe dating [02:47:32.560] back to Roswell maybe dating back to [02:47:35.359] Magenta or other crashes maybe even [02:47:37.439] Aztec perhaps the Lockheed Corporation [02:47:40.160] or maybe even Martin Marietta at this [02:47:42.080] time before the age of many of these [02:47:44.160] FFRDC’s were analing analyzing some of [02:47:47.520] these materials. So that’s interesting [02:47:49.760] that Lockheed may be I guess given the [02:47:53.520] same weight or treated with the same [02:47:55.680] respect or seriousness or access to [02:47:57.920] information that something like an FFRDC [02:48:00.960] or UAR would have from the DoD. So [02:48:04.319] that’s incredibly interesting. And [02:48:06.000] speaking of DIIB assets and MRTFBS, [02:48:09.600] of course, and today we really fast [02:48:11.200] forwarded in on the Nevada test and [02:48:13.680] training range, the Edwards 412 Utah [02:48:15.840] test and training range. Locked operates [02:48:18.080] all over the place in these, but I think [02:48:20.000] the most interesting piece here was this [02:48:21.760] dive into Tonipa. [02:48:24.399] Tonapa is a place that is almost never [02:48:27.200] ever ever mentioned. You might see on [02:48:30.720] UFO Twitter or in a book somebody say, [02:48:32.880] “Oh, Tonipa is weird. Tonipa is probably [02:48:36.160] a program site.” But outside of Richard [02:48:38.880] Dolan speaking about his source at the [02:48:40.720] UAP task force uh leaked class uh report [02:48:44.640] talking about advanced group 6 in DARPA [02:48:47.600] projects out there at Tonapa from [02:48:50.080] reverse engineered materials. You see [02:48:52.319] almost no mention of Tonipa. It is the [02:48:56.960] DOE’s [02:48:58.800] one of the DOE’s if not the high highest [02:49:02.080] DOE classified weapons testing location. [02:49:06.000] And as we explore today from 1993 to [02:49:09.040] 2017, whether it be Martin Marietta or [02:49:11.439] the Loheed Martin Corporation, Lheed had [02:49:15.840] administrative duties over Sandia, which [02:49:18.640] administrated Tonipa. So Lockheed worked [02:49:22.560] directly with Sandia and Tonapa and the [02:49:25.120] Edwards 412 test wing, which of course [02:49:28.000] has occupied Tonipa like it does Area 51 [02:49:31.279] and performed operations out there. Now, [02:49:33.760] as I mentioned, [02:49:35.680] I have specifically heard of the quote [02:49:38.720] unquote interesting stuff going on up [02:49:40.960] there at Tonipa, and that’s outside of [02:49:42.960] Richard Dolan and his sources. [02:49:46.399] And I would really like to learn more [02:49:47.760] about Tonipa. There there’s not much [02:49:49.600] else we can learn today uh because of [02:49:51.520] the classification of the programs that [02:49:53.439] transpire and are are carried out in the [02:49:55.840] weapons testing at Tonipa. But I also [02:49:58.160] find the um site 4 at Tonipa quite [02:50:00.319] intriguing. Um, I have seen people try [02:50:02.399] and say Bob Lazar ripped this off of [02:50:04.479] Tonipa test range. But as we show today, [02:50:06.479] Tonipa S4 or site 4 in whether it be for [02:50:10.960] uh the number or Roman numerals is kind [02:50:12.560] of out in the open and doesn’t really uh [02:50:14.960] comport with Bob Lazar’s description of [02:50:16.800] Area 51 S4 by Papoose Lake. But a very [02:50:20.160] interesting location nonetheless. I also [02:50:22.000] think it’s interesting that the Navy [02:50:23.520] took such a special interest in um [02:50:25.520] Tonipa in its early days, especially the [02:50:27.680] Polaris program, which we know ties into [02:50:30.000] Sand Dollar and DSRV and DSSP and all of [02:50:33.680] that stuff with John Pñena Craven that [02:50:35.520] I’ve been talking about for many many [02:50:37.200] many months now. [02:50:40.000] Let’s shift focus a little bit on [02:50:41.439] Skunkworks. Um, Skunkworks, as we know, [02:50:44.960] is far more notorious and infamous than [02:50:47.600] its counterparts at Boeing, at North of [02:50:49.840] Grumman, at probably some secret [02:50:51.920] divisions at Rathon and so forth. And I [02:50:55.120] try to largely sidestep around some of [02:50:57.200] the quotes by Ben Rich today. Uh, I’ve [02:50:59.359] talked about them before. I I they’re [02:51:01.439] interesting. Sure. I think the James [02:51:03.200] Goodall quote uh when he got on the [02:51:04.960] phone with Jesse Michaels and Michael [02:51:06.160] Schat is the most interesting mention of [02:51:07.840] Ben Rich, but the Lyn Molton Hal and [02:51:10.319] John’s Tarzan who you know was accused [02:51:12.640] of some pretty heinous crimes. I I don’t [02:51:14.640] really find an interest in um searching [02:51:17.040] there. Uh, and [02:51:19.600] again, James Goodall, but I I share so [02:51:21.600] much uh, frustration as I kind of laid [02:51:23.439] out in this video with um, Steven Greer [02:51:25.760] saying that the Loheed Martin skunk [02:51:27.920] works great at the Tic Tac in ‘04. And [02:51:31.120] of course, Ross Goldart says that as [02:51:32.800] well, but then stuff like that, Michael [02:51:34.240] Herrera’s craft was out of the Loheed [02:51:37.120] skunk works as well without I understand [02:51:39.200] if you can’t provide evidence for such [02:51:41.200] claims, but at least construct a thesis [02:51:43.279] to explain why. And I think that’s one [02:51:45.840] of the frustrations a lot of people had [02:51:47.279] with Ross Colart when he gets on uh Need [02:51:49.920] to Know with Bryce Sable and says, “I [02:51:51.600] know categorically that the Tic Tac is [02:51:53.520] Loheed Martin technology.” That’s [02:51:55.520] already going to be a little tough for [02:51:56.640] people to wrap their heads around. Um [02:51:58.240] especially with the capabilities that [02:51:59.600] Tic Tac demonstrated. So I think what [02:52:01.920] would have been appropriate there is [02:52:03.359] even if Ross is going to be so steadfast [02:52:05.920] in his confidence that this craft was [02:52:08.560] either Loheed Martin reverse engineered [02:52:10.479] or a non-human craft being operated by [02:52:12.399] Loheed is he relies on his sources for [02:52:15.840] this and that’s totally fine but at [02:52:17.680] least construct a thesis or parallel [02:52:20.080] lines of research why that might be an [02:52:22.720] adequate explanation for the tic tac and [02:52:25.200] then demonstrate that to the audience [02:52:26.880] instead of just saying I know [02:52:28.080] categorically [02:52:29.760] but the skunk works is intriguing. I I [02:52:32.000] was thrilled to kind of investigate the [02:52:34.000] 1986 um carveout security problems with [02:52:36.720] the locked corporation at their Burbank [02:52:38.640] plant which of course house Kunkworks [02:52:40.240] and related that to the Wilson Davis [02:52:41.840] notes that was shocking to really [02:52:44.880] investigate and parse through. I mean [02:52:48.000] thousands over a thousand discrepancies [02:52:51.520] in carveout special access program [02:52:53.680] documents many of which were excluded [02:52:56.240] from DoD oversight altogether some of [02:52:58.880] which were lost and some of which were [02:53:01.439] destroyed. Uh I I think that there can [02:53:04.800] be strong connections here that perhaps [02:53:06.720] this was a domino effect that various [02:53:09.040] GAO DoD various entities that were not [02:53:12.319] written into UFO legacy programs at this [02:53:14.240] time started to see enormous carveout [02:53:16.960] contracts within Loheed Martin within [02:53:19.520] Loheed at this time and other [02:53:21.200] competitive aerospace prime contractors [02:53:23.680] and that these uh class documents at the [02:53:28.000] classified document control substations [02:53:30.479] and descriptions of programs accounting [02:53:32.560] ing for funds and so forth just [02:53:34.240] completely wiped off the table. And that [02:53:36.000] could have created a domino effect that [02:53:37.600] eventually in 1993, UFO Legacy Program [02:53:40.800] personnel had to reorganize the special [02:53:43.040] access program oversight committee and [02:53:44.960] give enhanced strengths to the senior [02:53:47.200] review group, which in turn created the [02:53:48.720] quote unquote watch committee of the [02:53:50.960] highest tier of highle gatekeepers. If [02:53:54.000] you remember, the watch committee served [02:53:55.680] as a bit of a diverse group including a [02:53:57.920] corporate director. Perhaps that was [02:53:59.920] somebody from Lockheed or maybe a north [02:54:02.479] of Grumman type. Um, I just think that’s [02:54:04.319] interesting. And I know I talked about [02:54:06.640] the Wilson Davis notes and I know that [02:54:08.479] there’s been some controversy around [02:54:09.920] Eric Davis. In fact, I touched on some [02:54:11.840] controversy around Davis in this [02:54:13.600] project. I said it, I will say it again. [02:54:16.479] Although things have been a bit odd with [02:54:18.720] Eric Davis lately and although I [02:54:20.800] disagree with his comments about ARV and [02:54:24.160] I do think this is probably a program [02:54:26.720] protection strategy he must um display [02:54:30.319] due to his time in OAP a AFRL or other [02:54:34.479] institutions. I still very much like and [02:54:37.279] respect Eric Davis and regardless of [02:54:40.240] kind of the questions of him of late, I [02:54:42.479] still believe that the fundamental facts [02:54:44.160] of the Wilson Davis notes are correct. [02:54:46.560] That being that Vice Admiral um Thomas [02:54:49.279] Wilson was stonewalled in accessing UFO [02:54:52.880] legacy programs. [02:54:54.960] And speaking of Davis, I know that there [02:54:56.880] were some you could see him as shots [02:54:58.479] fired in this video towards Davis and Lu [02:55:00.560] Alzando. Um I just I think it’s [02:55:03.600] important to if I am going to speak [02:55:07.040] about somebody or exclude them from a [02:55:09.439] conversation speak about why um Alzando [02:55:13.520] in particular I showed that there may be [02:55:16.000] some conflicts of interest with Loheed [02:55:18.240] Martin. Uh it’s the same thing that [02:55:20.399] others have said. I do not think Lou has [02:55:22.479] been completely forthcoming with his [02:55:24.960] involvement in legacy programs and how [02:55:29.040] much knowledge he has regarding those [02:55:31.600] programs. You know, I think back to the [02:55:33.279] 2024 uh UFO hearings in which he [02:55:36.160] testified, I remember Nancy Mace asking, [02:55:38.479] I think it was General Dynamics about [02:55:40.160] their specialty. Um and Lou says [02:55:42.560] something about, oh, you know, various [02:55:43.840] contractors have various specialties in [02:55:45.439] this subject. And Mace retorts, you [02:55:47.760] know, what about Loheed Martin? And you [02:55:49.279] could see Lou kind of visibly squirm in [02:55:51.600] that scenario. So I do think there is [02:55:53.600] likely a conflict of interest there that [02:55:56.640] Loheed Martin is [02:55:59.120] an institution that requires extensive [02:56:01.279] program protection just as various other [02:56:03.600] facets of UFO legacy program operations. [02:56:05.840] So you know that I think that was just [02:56:08.080] important to include in the video [02:56:09.520] especially when talking about a beast [02:56:11.040] like Lockheed. And that also leads us to [02:56:14.399] the Kona blue material transfer. Uh [02:56:16.479] again, there were two attempted [02:56:19.200] transfers by Loheed Martin, at least [02:56:21.600] two, um you know, due to the work of Rob [02:56:23.600] Jones and Subrosa, which please check [02:56:26.000] out Subrosa. Uh Rob Jones initially put [02:56:29.120] that on a Substack to pay wallet, which [02:56:31.359] I think is totally fine, fair pay for [02:56:33.200] fair work. Um but due to some of the [02:56:35.279] demand and the importance of the [02:56:36.960] document, he made it free. So that will [02:56:38.479] be linked in the video description. And [02:56:40.080] I can’t recommend reading it enough. I’m [02:56:42.160] actually going to have Robin Kermit back [02:56:43.600] on for a live here pretty soon. where [02:56:45.760] we’re going to break down the paper. Um, [02:56:47.600] and as we kind of explored with that, [02:56:50.160] perhaps Robert Cardillo was involved in [02:56:53.600] stonewalling the transaction of [02:56:56.880] materials from Loheed and eventually [02:56:58.960] ended up with the same company that [02:57:01.680] Loheed Martin severed its own limb, the [02:57:03.680] enterprise integration group that [02:57:05.680] eventually after a bunch of corporate [02:57:08.160] transactions ended up at Paraton on [02:57:11.040] which Robert Cardio serves to this day [02:57:12.960] on the board. But per the reporting of [02:57:15.439] Chris Sharp and actually the Aerrow [02:57:17.120] historical report volume one, there [02:57:18.560] seemed to be one initial attempt to [02:57:20.399] divest these materials from Loheed [02:57:22.240] Martin to possibly an OAP-L like entity. [02:57:25.439] Um maybe a DIA program back in 2008/209. [02:57:31.680] I’m running this off the top of my head, [02:57:33.040] but I believe that uh James Clapper was [02:57:35.680] involved in shutting this down if I’m [02:57:37.680] trying to remember correctly. But then [02:57:38.960] of course in the 2011 transfer this was [02:57:41.680] shut down by the CIA DS&T [02:57:44.720] uh Glenn Gaffne and possibly Robert [02:57:46.880] Cardillo. Uh Glenn Gaffne I know as I’m [02:57:50.080] saying recording this just the other day [02:57:51.920] he appeared in an interview where Davis [02:57:55.359] said he would want to string Glenn [02:57:57.840] Gaffne up like Jesus uh and essentially [02:58:01.359] parade him around and torturing him. I I [02:58:03.840] think that might have been a little too [02:58:05.040] far regardless of how hostile Glen [02:58:07.279] Gaffne is. Uh treating a guy like Glenn [02:58:10.000] Gaffne and getting him to speak is going [02:58:12.160] to be very difficult. Of course, uh his [02:58:14.960] program protection and allegiance to [02:58:16.720] agency is probably lifelong. So [02:58:19.439] subpoenaing the man just like James [02:58:21.040] Lacazky, just like others, just like [02:58:22.720] Sean Kirkpatrick, they can deflect on [02:58:24.479] not answering um due to national [02:58:26.560] security concerns or just plead the [02:58:28.160] fifth uh with their lawyer on every [02:58:30.000] single question. So that’s not the [02:58:32.000] appropriate solution. And I don’t know, [02:58:33.359] maybe you can find an underling of Glen [02:58:35.120] Gaffne at the time and trade up for [02:58:36.720] information on him and then um be able [02:58:39.520] to attack him from there or possibly [02:58:41.359] even trade up from Glen Gaffne, but [02:58:43.920] there’s not a lot of people higher than [02:58:45.760] CIA DS&T deputy directors. Uh Glen [02:58:49.359] Gaffne, I think he has denied to [02:58:52.000] reporters that he was involved in this [02:58:54.000] material transfer. However, of course, [02:58:55.760] he is going to say that. And I know I [02:58:58.080] introduced Mary K. Sturivant today, a VP [02:59:01.120] of government affairs in various [02:59:02.560] intelligence assists at Loheed Martin [02:59:04.640] from 2006 to 2021. I know she worked [02:59:07.920] closely with Ryder allegedly on UFO [02:59:10.640] legacy program operations and I wonder [02:59:13.439] if she was involved in stonewalling the [02:59:15.600] transfer as we saw today. She directly [02:59:18.160] had well her career in intelligence is [02:59:20.880] quite impressive to be quite honest. But [02:59:22.960] all the way starting back at BDM with [02:59:25.120] technology transfer with Russia and then [02:59:27.279] moving into various intelligence [02:59:28.960] agencies eventually at the CIA working [02:59:32.080] um between in a joint venture between [02:59:34.319] the CIA DS&T and Directorate of [02:59:36.560] Operations um two parts of the CIA. I’ve [02:59:40.960] accused of being involved in UFO legacy [02:59:42.640] programs before in my Navy video in [02:59:44.960] particular. and then eventually goes on [02:59:47.200] to serve as the deputy director for a [02:59:49.359] various facet of NRO to then join Loheed [02:59:51.520] Martin in 2006. One has to wonder if she [02:59:54.479] still had agency obligations at that [02:59:56.479] time. I know there are a lot of [02:59:58.560] individuals um whether it be private uh [03:00:01.920] DoD a DARPA like entity that some people [03:00:06.240] still serve as agency liaison or agency [03:00:10.479] points of contact. I I think it’s quite [03:00:13.279] feasible that in her role at Lockheed [03:00:15.040] Martin because of her agency ties and of [03:00:17.279] course by agency I mean the CIA that she [03:00:20.560] still had allegiance or duties for [03:00:23.040] program protection for the CIA. [03:00:26.560] Uh rest in peace to a what seemed like a [03:00:28.960] great man Jim Ryder. He seemed [03:00:30.640] incredibly complex as you can see by his [03:00:34.000] Lucius Trust talks after he left Loheed [03:00:36.160] Martin. I I think it’s fascinating that [03:00:39.040] these quote unquote gray beards, quite a [03:00:42.000] few of them possibly, like when they [03:00:44.000] leave service in legacy program [03:00:46.080] operations, seem to pursue really [03:00:47.680] esoteric and the quote unquote woo. Uh [03:00:50.319] we can see Carl Nell doing similar [03:00:51.840] things with discussions of consciousness [03:00:53.439] at Archives of the Impossible. Um so I [03:00:56.319] find that absolutely fascinating, but I [03:00:59.040] wish Dr. Ryder was here today. Again, I [03:01:01.520] don’t think there’s anything suspicious [03:01:03.680] about his passing. and I just think it [03:01:04.960] was sudden, but he seems like a truly [03:01:07.520] great and interesting man. With that [03:01:10.000] being said, guys, I do think I am going [03:01:12.080] to maybe in a week or so, two weeks, uh, [03:01:15.279] co-release the locking material transfer [03:01:17.520] section as its own video. I mean, that’s [03:01:18.960] like 50 minutes. I just think it’s [03:01:20.319] really important. I know a lot of people [03:01:21.600] don’t really watch to this point. Um, so [03:01:24.160] I I do want to get fresh eyes on that [03:01:25.840] just in case people saw that. But [03:01:27.680] besides that, like I said, I got the [03:01:29.200] live coming up with Rob Jones and [03:01:31.200] Kermit. Can’t wait for that to discuss [03:01:34.080] Sub Rosa. 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UAP Gerb — “Lockheed Martin: UFO Reverse Engineering, Material Exploitation & Legacy Programs” (26 Sep 2025)

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