“UFO Whistleblower: The Files They Never Released” — Tim Burchett + Lue Elizondo on Hannity (30 Jun 2026)

Source: “Hang Out with Sean Hannity” (YouTube), host Sean Hannity with guests Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Lue Elizondo. URL: https://youtu.be/ac8Xh9Vvk-8 (2026-06-30; 1:32:08). Captured: 2026-06-30. YouTube auto-caption transcript (timestamps retained; ASR artifacts — “Alzando”=Elizondo, “Oakidge”=Oak Ridge, “Farragate”=Farragut, “Okanawa”=Okinawa, “scop”=psyop/scam [unclear]). Provenance only; analysis: elizondo-career-and-claims and pre-emptive-threat-awareness-pattern. What this is: a long-form, mainstream-right-platform (Hannity/Fox-adjacent) joint interview, published the same day as the Disclosure Forum cycle. Much of it is a high-reach restatement of both men’s established positions (sworn testimony re biologics/crash retrievals, the nuclear connection, China/Russia reverse-engineering, “Trump is releasing files,” Burchett’s “I’m not suicidal”). But several items go further than the standard narrative:

Living non-human lifeforms (Burchett, ~1:10:00-1:11:40). Burchett says he was briefed on “pretty intense stuff about life forms” and “what they were doing”; asked directly “life forms alive here, life forms dead here,” he answers “possibly both, both.” A claim of LIVING non-human lifeforms is a step beyond the standard recovered-dead-biologics claim. He later adds that “life forms require oxygen to survive” and talk of “recalibrating what it means to be alive” (~1:18:47-1:19:03).
Non-crash recovered craft (Burchett, ~1:11:30). Beyond “crash retrievals,” he says some recovered vehicles “have possibly come here and not in a crash-type setting” — i.e. intact / non-crashed arrivals.
The president withheld (Burchett, ~1:10:50). He says he believes information is being withheld from “our duly-elected president” on a need-to-know basis; he cannot name who briefed him (“I got to get some clearance on this”).
Burchett’s threat escalation (~0:00, ~0:09:30). A “friend of the administration” (Trump administration) personally warned him he had “kicked a hornet’s nest” and that he needed to “get bodies around you” (a security detail he now has), amid roughly “14” people in propulsion/metallurgy “disappearing or dying.”
Elizondo’s self-described role (~0:31:00). In his recruitment account he frames the role as “counter intelligence and security work” for a small secret National-Capital-Region organization — independently echoing the “program protection / counterintelligence” characterization at the center of the 2026 controlled-disclosure cluster (cf. Gerb’s allegation).

All of the above are the speakers’ own statements — Burchett’s are his relayed account of a classified briefing he cannot fully source — not independent corroboration. The living-lifeforms and non-crash-craft lines are the genuinely newer claims in the claim-space, weighted accordingly.

[00:00:01.920] sitting at the house and I got a call [00:00:03.200] from a um I’ll just say a friend of the [00:00:05.520] administration had told me that [00:00:07.440] >> the Trump administration [00:00:08.480] >> Yeah. had said I’d kicked a hornet’s [00:00:10.639] nest and they said you need to get [00:00:12.240] bodies around you. There’s a lot of [00:00:14.960] reasons why organizations would want to [00:00:17.359] keep this type of information classified [00:00:19.600] and hidden even from the American [00:00:21.600] people. The problem I have is when they [00:00:23.279] keep it from people like him and they [00:00:25.199] keep it from the president of the United [00:00:26.720] States, that is no longer illegal [00:00:28.560] activity. And that was before all the [00:00:30.640] people started disappearing or dying. [00:00:34.000] >> Oh, you mean the what? Four. What are we [00:00:35.760] up to? 14 [00:00:36.960] >> that we Well, there’s more, but probably [00:00:38.960] let’s just go with 14. I signed a [00:00:42.239] document with the the US government [00:00:44.239] several years ago that says specifically [00:00:47.039] prohibits me from ever discussing the [00:00:49.840] topic of crash retrievals. [00:00:51.760] >> And so, you’re saying we have alien [00:00:54.800] bodies in our possession? [00:00:56.160] >> That’s sworn testimony. [00:01:03.840] All right. I have become obsessed is [00:01:07.040] probably the right word with the idea of [00:01:10.960] unidentified aerial phenomenon. Used to [00:01:13.760] be called UFO. Um, thank God for once [00:01:18.400] there’s been all of this material we’ve [00:01:20.320] been told about for years and years and [00:01:22.320] years exists not just in this country [00:01:24.960] but even our top geopolitical foes as it [00:01:27.920] relates to is it possible that there are [00:01:32.560] other life forms. Now as a Christian [00:01:35.920] biblically I don’t see any [00:01:37.520] contradiction. God created the heavens [00:01:39.520] and the earth. Didn’t say he didn’t [00:01:41.520] create other creatures either. Um but [00:01:44.240] that’s a different issue for today. What [00:01:46.960] I want to know is why the government has [00:01:50.399] been so slow in informing you, we the [00:01:54.960] people about something that dramatic [00:01:58.799] that we apparently have a ton of [00:02:01.360] evidence on now recently because of [00:02:03.840] President Trump. They have been [00:02:05.360] releasing videos. They’ve been releasing [00:02:07.520] pictures. They have been showing us [00:02:10.000] things that you cannot explain. [00:02:13.680] um things that defy physics, [00:02:17.280] reverse engineering issues now come in, [00:02:20.560] uh if they’re here and they wanted to [00:02:22.959] and they’re from another place, um why [00:02:26.879] would the government know, why wouldn’t [00:02:28.319] they share it? Now, before I introduce [00:02:30.319] our guest, I want to read a quote. And [00:02:32.560] this is from Congressman Tim Burchett. [00:02:35.200] He said, “If they would release the [00:02:36.959] things I’ve seen, you would stay up. [00:02:39.599] you’d be up every night worrying about [00:02:41.920] or thinking about this stuff. And for [00:02:44.400] the record, I’m not suicidal. I don’t [00:02:46.800] take risks. The country would have come [00:02:50.480] unglued. I think that if the public [00:02:52.959] would have heard all that I heard [00:02:56.560] and that’s just the beginning. Um [00:02:58.879] anyway, thanks for hanging out with us, [00:03:00.480] Congressman Tim Burchett. Burch, [00:03:02.319] >> thank you. [00:03:02.720] >> Good to see you. [00:03:03.840] >> Alzando, you like Lou, right? [00:03:05.519] >> You know, Bob, Bill, Joe, I’m not [00:03:07.360] sensitive. You call me anything. just [00:03:08.879] not late for dinner. [00:03:10.239] >> Um, can we start with those two comments [00:03:14.319] >> cuz I mean let me go through this really [00:03:17.599] slowly [00:03:18.720] >> because this is profound and I will say [00:03:21.040] this, both of you have paid a price [00:03:24.800] speaking out. You’ve come under attack [00:03:27.440] for speaking out. Um, now finally the [00:03:30.480] truth is coming out. But when you say if [00:03:33.440] they would release the things that I [00:03:35.200] have seen, you’d stay up. You’d be up [00:03:37.680] every night worrying and thinking about [00:03:39.840] this stuff. And for the record, I’m not [00:03:41.920] suicidal. I don’t take risks. That kind [00:03:43.680] of scares me. And then this country [00:03:45.599] would become unglued. I think the public [00:03:48.799] uh you know would have heard all that [00:03:51.200] I’ve heard. [00:03:52.159] >> Yeah. [00:03:52.799] >> Okay. You you have been in politics for [00:03:55.599] decades. You’re a Tennessee politician. [00:03:58.159] You started on the local level. [00:03:59.519] >> Yes, sir. You have been pushing more [00:04:01.760] than any other elected member of [00:04:03.599] Congress to get this information out now [00:04:06.159] successfully. [00:04:08.480] That’s a scary statement. Those are [00:04:10.560] scary statements, [00:04:11.920] >> right? And that was before all the [00:04:13.439] people started [00:04:15.280] disappearing or dying. [00:04:17.759] >> Oh, you mean the what? Four. What are we [00:04:19.519] up to? 14. [00:04:20.799] >> That we Well, there’s more, but probably [00:04:22.800] let’s just go with 14. [00:04:25.600] >> Let’s backtrack. Explain the 14 missing [00:04:28.479] people. [00:04:30.080] They’re all different categories. Um I [00:04:33.840] just uh it’s just too coincidental. [00:04:36.720] They’re all wrapped up in [00:04:39.680] you have sources and I have sources and [00:04:42.560] I can’t disclose a lot because if I do [00:04:44.560] then it would obviously reveal some of [00:04:46.639] the folks that that have discussed [00:04:48.560] things with me. But you know they’re in [00:04:51.120] propulsion metallurgy. [00:04:54.479] Um and of course the family members say [00:04:56.800] what do they always say? They had [00:04:58.560] nothing to do with UFOs. Well, that’s [00:05:01.040] why they’re in those positions cuz they [00:05:02.560] don’t talk. I always remembered when I [00:05:04.240] was I get elected by knocking on doors [00:05:06.880] and I was knocking on this old guy’s [00:05:08.479] door in Farragate, which is a community [00:05:12.160] in Knox County, but it at a butts right [00:05:14.720] up to Oakidge, Oakidge National [00:05:16.320] Laboratory where they built the bomb. [00:05:18.240] This older gentleman was putting his [00:05:19.680] flag out one Saturday morning when I was [00:05:21.199] out knocking on doors. And I said, “Oh, [00:05:23.600] what branch were you in?” And he kind of [00:05:24.880] muttered and said, “Well, I wasn’t [00:05:25.919] really in the branch.” you know, he’s [00:05:27.280] almost ashamed and he said, “I I I [00:05:29.360] worked at Oakidge.” And I go, “Oh.” He [00:05:32.160] goes, I said, “You work on the bomb?” He [00:05:33.840] said, “Yeah.” I said, “You know, if my [00:05:35.680] daddy was alive, I would hug your neck.” [00:05:38.000] Because daddy was on Okanawa when they [00:05:39.600] dropped the bomb. [00:05:40.400] >> Really? [00:05:40.720] >> And I But go back to the guy. [00:05:43.199] >> My dad fought in World War II. [00:05:44.400] >> Do what? [00:05:44.880] >> My dad fought World War II. [00:05:46.080] >> Dad was in the Pacific, Second World War [00:05:48.000] as a marine. Mama flew an airplane [00:05:49.520] during the Second World War. They were [00:05:52.479] complete badasses. But anyway, good [00:05:54.720] people. But they they knew the country. [00:05:57.280] Anyway, so this guy says, um, he goes, [00:05:59.840] “Funny thing.” He goes, “My wife worked [00:06:03.600] worked on the bomb, too.” He said, “And [00:06:05.919] we never knew what each other did.” This [00:06:08.800] is his wife. One worked on fuses and the [00:06:11.199] other one worked on um some kind of [00:06:13.440] electronic componentry, which is [00:06:15.280] probably rudimentary compared to that. [00:06:17.280] That’s compartmentalization. [00:06:19.039] And that’s what you have those people. [00:06:21.039] And Lou can tell you this. He’s around [00:06:22.720] folks like that that literally I mean [00:06:25.840] their trajectory is like looking down [00:06:27.440] the barrel of a 22 rifle. It doesn’t get [00:06:29.520] out of it. the first UAP meeting that [00:06:32.400] they had which was a joke that our um [00:06:35.280] intellig so or so-called intelligence [00:06:37.680] committee had it was first one they’d [00:06:39.680] ever had that was hope and it dealt with [00:06:40.960] UFOs and um they had this two fellows [00:06:43.520] sitting there who were over it a black [00:06:45.039] guy and a white guy and honestly Sean I [00:06:47.840] I don’t know if they could spell UFO and [00:06:49.919] they were overseeing the program and [00:06:52.160] they were I’m sure patriotic Americans [00:06:54.560] but they’re they were very limited and [00:06:56.720] so that’s what you see so many times [00:06:59.840] times I’m I’m I’m in a secure setting, [00:07:03.199] I’ll just say, and I’m meeting with [00:07:04.960] somebody from a department and they [00:07:07.199] basically just laugh at you and say, [00:07:08.560] “This things don’t exist. This thing [00:07:10.400] this is not real.” And I said, and I’ll [00:07:12.240] ask him about a specific instance, the [00:07:14.080] instance where they um shut the nuclear [00:07:16.080] plant down. And the guy says, little [00:07:18.560] punk with a man bun says, um, I I I [00:07:22.000] don’t have any data points on that. and [00:07:24.880] I you know and then but then somebody [00:07:26.960] else in that same dad gum department [00:07:28.960] tells me [00:07:31.440] >> that they exist and here’s the videos. [00:07:33.759] Okay, so the videos that have been [00:07:36.319] released so far show a level of [00:07:39.759] scientific [00:07:41.840] physics the laws of physics that we know [00:07:45.360] we do not currently have that [00:07:47.440] technology. [00:07:48.240] >> Yep. I mean, you see movements, you see [00:07:51.520] from air to the water and [00:07:53.280] >> human body would not be able to [00:07:54.479] withstand the geforce. Lou introduced me [00:07:57.360] some gentlemen [00:08:00.000] uh that actually didn’t want to meet in [00:08:01.680] the office. I don’t know if you remember [00:08:02.879] this, Lou. Uh they came to my house. [00:08:05.440] >> I do. [00:08:06.080] >> And they um [00:08:06.720] >> you have visitors. [00:08:08.000] >> Yeah. From this planet, right? [00:08:09.759] >> But they were um well known and they [00:08:13.280] brought uh as the young people say, they [00:08:15.199] brought the receipts. He l said they [00:08:17.360] don’t want to meet with you here. They [00:08:18.879] want to meet with you somewhere else. [00:08:20.639] And so they came to the house out to the [00:08:22.720] farm in Knoxville. And I remember it was [00:08:24.800] a Saturday afternoon. There was six of [00:08:27.039] us. And thank goodness I only had six [00:08:28.639] Mountain Dews. And that’s all I had in [00:08:30.240] the whole dad gum house. And they were [00:08:31.599] happy with that. And they hooked up to [00:08:33.039] the television, their computers, and um [00:08:35.599] and showed me some things that were I [00:08:38.240] mean they just defy anything of my [00:08:40.959] limited knowledge. based on all that you [00:08:43.760] have seen and this admonition that [00:08:46.480] you’re giving the country and warning [00:08:48.000] people would keep them up at night and [00:08:50.160] again I’ll go to the other one and the [00:08:52.640] country would become unglued [00:08:54.480] >> right [00:08:54.959] >> with all that you have seen and heard [00:08:57.519] okay I mean that’s the million-dollar [00:08:59.760] question in this podcast [00:09:01.680] >> what have you seen and heard that has [00:09:03.440] not been released [00:09:05.839] >> there’s some things I can’t talk about [00:09:07.519] obviously but um [00:09:08.880] >> whoa this is a you know free speech [00:09:11.920] zone. [00:09:12.640] >> Yeah, I know that. Um, [00:09:14.560] >> would you get in trouble if you told the [00:09:16.160] truth? [00:09:16.560] >> Allegedly. Uh, I will tell you this, you [00:09:18.959] the part where I said, “I’m not [00:09:20.399] suicidal.” Um, I remembered it was [00:09:23.120] another Saturday I was sitting at the [00:09:24.480] house and I got a call from a [00:09:27.120] um I’ll just say a friend of the [00:09:28.560] administration had told me that [00:09:30.480] >> the Trump administration [00:09:31.519] >> Yeah. had said I’d kicked a hornet’s [00:09:33.680] nest and they said, “You need to get [00:09:35.279] bodies around you.” And I I you know, [00:09:38.640] I’m in East Tennessee. [00:09:40.959] I’ve got bodies around me. You know, [00:09:42.640] there’s enough good old boys out there. [00:09:44.160] I don’t know exactly what that means, [00:09:46.080] but um yeah, it’s it’s a literal Lou [00:09:49.279] will tell you we have kicked a a virtual [00:09:51.360] hornets nest and um these people don’t [00:09:54.160] want this stuff out and I have my own [00:09:56.480] theories about that as well. I’m sure [00:09:57.920] Lou does too, but [00:09:59.120] >> Okay. Is it because it’s classified? You [00:10:02.720] can’t reveal what you have seen in [00:10:05.600] >> Yeah. Um [00:10:06.160] >> I mean, you have to go to a skiff to see [00:10:07.760] it [00:10:08.800] >> basically. And that’s and here’s another [00:10:10.800] thing they do to you. You have to be [00:10:12.560] careful about going into the skiff [00:10:14.240] because once they brief you on [00:10:15.519] something, even if it’s something that [00:10:16.880] you know you’re not supposed to be able [00:10:18.480] to talk about it. [00:10:19.200] >> That’s right. [00:10:19.680] >> And that’s a trap. I don’t go into a lot [00:10:22.000] of the skiff meetings because I can [00:10:24.399] pretty much tell you what they’re going [00:10:25.760] to say. As I used to say, I told a [00:10:28.240] Democrat when I first got into Congress, [00:10:29.839] I went into a skiff. I said, “Let me get [00:10:31.360] this straight. if I miss this meeting, I [00:10:34.079] could go out and um and and probably [00:10:35.760] catch it on CNN, what one of your your [00:10:37.839] your colleagues has leaked. And he said, [00:10:40.880] “Well, not in 15 minutes, more like 10 [00:10:42.959] minutes.” [00:10:43.440] >> So, if if you were to give me a [00:10:45.120] percentage of what has been released [00:10:47.120] under President Trump recently, and you [00:10:49.120] praised him for that, [00:10:50.560] >> 100% he kept his word. [00:10:51.920] >> He kept his word, but there’s there’s a [00:10:54.320] lot more. [00:10:55.279] >> A lot more. [00:10:55.839] >> And you’re saying it’s chilling what you [00:10:57.519] know. [00:10:58.079] >> Yeah, it is chilling. And part of it too [00:11:00.320] is the testimony, Sean. These guys are [00:11:02.880] not it’s not just a bunch of good old [00:11:05.760] boys like me. These are these are [00:11:08.320] professional people and they always in [00:11:10.079] the movies they always show our our [00:11:12.160] pilots and these type of they’re just [00:11:14.160] wild cowboys and stuff. They’re not. [00:11:16.480] Most of them are computer nerds and I [00:11:19.040] mean they’re they’re landing a half [00:11:20.800] billion dollar aircraft on a on a [00:11:23.120] bucking ship out in the middle of the [00:11:25.040] ocean somewhere. They’re not um and [00:11:28.000] they’re risking everything to te talk to [00:11:30.240] us when they come in because it’s uh [00:11:32.880] it’s not [00:11:34.800] if if they if they see something. And I [00:11:36.640] had one guy tell me that he he literally [00:11:38.480] destroyed information cuz the um the [00:11:40.959] camera apparatus was right here was an [00:11:42.720] old plane and he could literally hit it [00:11:44.240] with his knee and turn it off because he [00:11:47.040] didn’t want to have that on film because [00:11:49.920] once he got back he would be debriefed [00:11:52.800] for 8 hours which is really just an [00:11:54.560] interrogation and they’d have marks on [00:11:56.160] their on their um their record and [00:11:58.480] things. these guys. When um when Luna, [00:12:01.440] Matt Gates, and myself went down to um [00:12:04.399] down to Florida to view um to talk to [00:12:07.760] some pilots, we were basically turned [00:12:10.240] away. [00:12:11.279] >> Turned away. Well, the arrogance and the [00:12:14.000] you know, you had you had all the suits [00:12:16.240] in there, all the all the um military [00:12:18.800] people with all their insignia and then [00:12:20.240] sitting over in the corner what I think [00:12:22.720] were spooks. I think they were CIA or [00:12:25.279] NSA or something else or military [00:12:27.120] intelligence, whatever. And they [00:12:29.440] >> How do they keep a secret? If you said [00:12:31.279] it would keep every American up at [00:12:33.120] night, [00:12:34.320] >> cuz it it it just it it it proves one [00:12:37.519] one thing, they’re lying to us, and two, [00:12:40.480] what else do they know about these these [00:12:42.399] things? And now we’re talking about [00:12:44.720] beings, and we have we have sworn [00:12:46.560] testimony that they have biologics, [00:12:48.639] which are bodies. Um, and so [00:12:52.560] >> they’re saying we have alien bodies in [00:12:55.760] our possession, [00:12:56.639] >> sworn testimony. But here’s the way they [00:12:58.560] cover that up is, um, we’ve come to find [00:13:01.120] out. They they turn it over to a private [00:13:03.360] entity like a um, [00:13:06.399] >> say one of our missile defense [00:13:08.160] contractors. There’s probably five or [00:13:09.519] six. We’ve had testimony and [00:13:11.600] >> Lou could name them off. Um, and every [00:13:14.800] time I’m on a show like this, I I can [00:13:16.560] see my my my contributions from these [00:13:18.880] groups diminishing more and more. But I [00:13:20.480] don’t really care. I’m over it. I’m over [00:13:22.240] it. But what they do is they give it [00:13:24.720] they they’ve given it to these [00:13:26.240] corporations to where you and I can’t [00:13:28.160] get to it through FOYA, Freedom of [00:13:30.160] Information Act. You know, I could foyer [00:13:31.760] Ford Motor Company and but they don’t [00:13:33.279] have to answer me. [00:13:34.000] >> Can’t we get a paper trail that it was [00:13:36.079] that they’re bypassing Foyer? [00:13:38.480] >> Well, sure. But who’s going to h who’s [00:13:40.800] going to go after him? Who has the legal [00:13:42.720] ability to go after him? [00:13:44.320] >> I don’t know. I would think that if [00:13:46.000] enough people, you know, one thing I [00:13:48.959] know about Donald Trump is he’s not [00:13:50.399] timid [00:13:51.120] >> and he doesn’t care about he doesn’t [00:13:52.880] care about those idiots either. And I’m [00:13:54.240] I’m with him and um but cuz well I have [00:13:58.560] my theories about [00:14:01.040] them trying to take him out, but that’s [00:14:02.880] I guess that’s for another episode. But [00:14:05.120] I I think that that these um [00:14:08.399] corporations have this stuff, but it’s [00:14:11.279] been so compartmentalized that they [00:14:13.839] don’t that the people that are looking [00:14:15.600] at it probably don’t know cuz you got to [00:14:18.560] realize I mean the first there was uh [00:14:21.760] Roswell 47. I think there was something [00:14:23.600] in 45, but just say 47. Nobody’s even [00:14:26.240] alive that’s around that. You know, the [00:14:28.000] story is just convoluted and convoluted [00:14:30.639] and convoluted. And the Air Force didn’t [00:14:32.880] help its case any when they did the case [00:14:35.040] closed thing um several years ago. [00:14:37.920] >> But once they promised and Lou, thanks [00:14:39.920] for your patience. Sorry. You have a lot [00:14:41.519] to offer. [00:14:42.000] >> No, no, absolutely. No, no, no. Please. [00:14:44.000] >> Once they said they would begin [00:14:45.839] releasing this and you praised the [00:14:47.920] president, okay, why in small batches? [00:14:52.160] Why not all of it? Why not tell the [00:14:54.800] American people straight up the truth? [00:14:57.040] Why not show what we have? If if if if [00:15:01.760] we have unident if we have UAPs [00:15:05.920] >> because the deep state’s blocking. I [00:15:08.320] have pretty good sources that tell me [00:15:10.320] that that they are blocking it. Um who’s [00:15:13.680] they? Well, you’ve got the first couple [00:15:16.160] of layers that Trump has replaced, but [00:15:18.399] you’ve got the underlying the classic [00:15:20.480] deep state because some of the tapes [00:15:22.560] that they’re releasing are easily and I [00:15:25.199] and Lou jump in, but some of them you [00:15:26.800] can easily identify that these are not [00:15:28.800] UAPs or UFOs. It’s obviously something [00:15:31.839] else. And I and I think they’re putting [00:15:33.519] some false stuff out. And [00:15:36.000] >> here’s the fascinating. This is not new. [00:15:38.880] No, [00:15:39.199] >> this goes back to the Apollo mission. [00:15:41.519] I’m like, we’re talking about highly [00:15:44.079] trained, the top astronauts that we sent [00:15:47.360] to the moon and they took pictures and [00:15:50.480] they identified things. Most Americans [00:15:53.920] only recently are finding this out. I’m [00:15:56.399] not letting you off the hook. I’m going [00:15:57.600] to I’m going to press you on on what you [00:15:59.680] know a little bit more. [00:16:00.480] >> Yes, a little more. Um, you know, I I [00:16:04.560] became familiar with your work in [00:16:06.560] Disclosure [00:16:08.160] and then I started watching everything [00:16:10.720] you did. [00:16:11.759] >> I’m sorry you had to you had to endure [00:16:13.519] that. [00:16:14.320] >> He’s the reason I’m here. He is he he [00:16:16.480] had the guts to speak up. They said he [00:16:18.639] didn’t exist. He produced [00:16:20.800] >> they said he wasn’t a part of an agency [00:16:23.040] he ran for crying out loud [00:16:24.480] >> that he ran and everybody knew and you [00:16:26.480] know it just is classic government. They [00:16:29.199] just say it long enough and people start [00:16:30.880] believing it. [00:16:31.920] >> What what exudes out of you um Lou is [00:16:37.519] that your background, your military [00:16:40.720] connections, the people that source for [00:16:43.839] you are so credible. You can’t these [00:16:47.839] they’re not cooks. They’re not nuts. [00:16:50.079] These are smart people. Um the people [00:16:53.199] that have made identifications, they are [00:16:56.240] they’re American patriots. They’re [00:16:57.759] heroes. They’re not people that are [00:16:59.519] nuts. An astronaut on, you know, going [00:17:02.399] to the moon, uh, is not making this [00:17:05.760] up. He’s just not. [00:17:07.919] >> Sean, I have something if I, if I have, [00:17:09.760] uh, the ability to share something with [00:17:11.199] you. I brought something that I think [00:17:13.039] you might find really interesting [00:17:14.480] because you mentioned about these [00:17:16.799] historical accounts coming from NASA and [00:17:18.799] the Apollo mission, the Apollo 11 and 12 [00:17:21.280] and so forth. You might be surprised to [00:17:23.839] learn something. Can I can I read [00:17:24.880] something to you real quick? [00:17:25.760] >> What? By the way, it’s your show. No, no [00:17:28.400] truth. [00:17:28.799] >> I’m just a humble host. [00:17:32.640] >> Now, forgive me. I’m gonna need my old [00:17:34.080] man glasses here for a second. This is [00:17:36.160] gray, not blonde. So, [00:17:37.679] >> they’re mandatory on this program. [00:17:39.919] >> So, um this is an official US government [00:17:43.679] memorandum from headquarters, United [00:17:46.400] States Air Force, Washington DC. The [00:17:48.960] subject line, I’m going to tell you the [00:17:50.080] date here in a minute. The subject line [00:17:51.360] is summary of observations of aerial [00:17:53.280] phenomenon in the New Mexico area [00:17:55.919] December 1948 through May 1950. Okay. Uh [00:18:00.720] and uh one of the lines says here um [00:18:03.280] where that they decided that uh I’ll [00:18:06.559] just read it to you. It was determined [00:18:08.640] that the frequency of unexplained aerial [00:18:10.640] phenomenon in the New Mexico area was [00:18:12.640] such that an organized plan of reporting [00:18:15.039] these observations should be undertaken. [00:18:17.440] So, first of all, an investigation, a [00:18:19.679] formal military investigation into [00:18:22.480] what’s going on. The observers of these [00:18:25.440] phenomena include scientists, special [00:18:27.679] agents of Air Force OSI, airline pilots, [00:18:30.559] military pilots, Los Alamos security [00:18:32.720] inspectors, military personnel, and many [00:18:35.200] other persons of various occupations [00:18:37.280] whose reliability is not questioned. [00:18:40.000] Furthermore, some of the characteristics [00:18:41.600] of this, they describe discs or [00:18:43.919] variations thereof. But here’s the [00:18:45.919] kicker. The very last paragraph. [00:18:49.840] This summary of observations of aerial [00:18:52.000] phenomenon has been prepared for the [00:18:53.840] purposes of re-emphasizing and [00:18:56.559] reiterating [00:18:58.400] the fact that phenomenon have [00:19:00.640] continuously occurred in the New Mexico [00:19:02.640] skies during the past 18 months and are [00:19:06.400] continuing to occur. And secondly, that [00:19:09.360] these phenomena are occurring in the [00:19:11.120] vicinity of sensitive military and [00:19:13.200] government installations. Do you want to [00:19:14.480] take a guess on the date of this [00:19:15.679] memorandum? [00:19:17.280] May 1950. [00:19:19.120] >> Wow. [00:19:19.520] >> And here it is. You can take a look for [00:19:20.799] yourself. This is just an example. [00:19:24.080] >> Thanks. [00:19:24.880] >> Um, and let’s let’s let’s not forget [00:19:27.840] that the Department of War itself said [00:19:29.919] just a month ago that there are, and I [00:19:32.799] quote, tens of millions of these [00:19:36.400] documents in the possession of the US [00:19:39.120] government right now. And a lot of them [00:19:41.200] are hard copy documents. Now, that [00:19:43.200] document was once highly classified. It [00:19:45.520] has been declassified and released as a [00:19:48.080] result of Trump. And I concur completely [00:19:50.720] with the with the congressman here that [00:19:53.039] Trump delivered on a promise. Doesn’t [00:19:54.960] matter what your politics are, whether [00:19:56.480] you’re on the left or the right. The [00:19:57.679] bottom line is this president delivered [00:19:59.280] on something that no other president in [00:20:01.200] the history of the United States has [00:20:03.919] ever been able to do. And he did it. [00:20:06.880] explain to everybody your background and [00:20:09.440] how you got working on this and what you [00:20:11.840] were in control of and then there they [00:20:14.640] tried to create a distance between you [00:20:18.400] and what you did for work and even go as [00:20:21.280] far I felt to discredit you. [00:20:23.440] >> Sure. [00:20:24.080] >> Um and you’ve been attacked for it. Uh [00:20:27.039] do you have the same fear he does? [00:20:28.880] >> Absolutely. Uh, in fact, I thankfully [00:20:31.440] the original program sponsor, and I’ll [00:20:33.280] go back to answering your question [00:20:34.480] specifically, but uh, he had to write a [00:20:36.640] letter for record as the Senate Majority [00:20:39.280] Leader, uh, Harry Reid. [00:20:41.120] >> This is Harry Reid, validating who I was [00:20:43.520] and what my position was because the [00:20:45.039] Pentagon [00:20:45.679] >> that was so obvious he had to do that. [00:20:48.320] >> Well, they were trying to erase me. You [00:20:49.679] know, keep in mind, deny the the the [00:20:51.840] motive motus operandi has always been [00:20:53.840] deny everything, admit nothing, and make [00:20:55.679] counter accusations. And that system [00:20:57.760] works very well. Um, so you got to have [00:21:00.080] the receipts if you’re going to go [00:21:01.440] toe-to-toe with the system, whatever [00:21:03.360] system that is or organization, [00:21:04.880] institution, [00:21:06.000] >> you really got to make sure you’ve [00:21:07.919] you’ve got the receipts to show exactly [00:21:11.520] who you are and what you knew. Now, to [00:21:13.760] go back to your original question, [00:21:16.159] surprisingly enough, I’m not a UFO guy. [00:21:17.919] I tell people, in fact, I I couldn’t [00:21:19.760] even spell UFO before I I got into the [00:21:22.640] program. Um, I went to the University of [00:21:24.559] Miami. Uh I I graduated with uh degrees [00:21:28.400] in microbiology and immunology. Uh my my [00:21:31.200] minors were in chemistry and [00:21:32.320] mathematics. Uh I consider myself a [00:21:34.640] disciple of the scientific principles [00:21:36.240] and methodologies. Afterwards I was in [00:21:38.880] the army for a little bit uh in military [00:21:40.880] intelligence and some other activities [00:21:42.799] and then from there I was recruited into [00:21:44.400] some specialized programs became a a [00:21:46.240] federal agent and most of my time was [00:21:48.400] focused um on on really either [00:21:50.559] counterinsurgency or counterterrorism. [00:21:52.240] So spending time in Afghanistan and Iraq [00:21:54.240] and the Middle East and all these places [00:21:57.039] military career. Thank you for [00:21:58.559] >> Well, no, no, no. My honor and [00:21:59.760] privilege, but my point being is that um [00:22:02.000] I was never interested in the topic. I [00:22:03.919] don’t consider myself a a sci-fi kind of [00:22:06.640] guy. [00:22:06.960] >> Can I ask a question? How do we go from [00:22:08.480] UFO to UAP? What happened? [00:22:10.640] >> I think that was a I think that was [00:22:12.240] intentional. I think it was a diversion. [00:22:14.799] >> You do. [00:22:15.280] >> I honestly do because it’s always UFOs. [00:22:17.280] >> No one always knew what a UFO was. [00:22:18.799] Nobody knew what a UAP is. So, I have [00:22:21.440] I’ll I’ll uh Boy, I’m gonna get myself [00:22:23.679] in trouble for this, but I’ll I’ll tell [00:22:25.039] you one of the reasons. [00:22:25.760] >> Right ahead. Keep going. [00:22:27.200] >> Okay, I’m gonna walk right over the [00:22:28.640] ledge on that one. [00:22:29.280] >> Good for writings. [00:22:30.320] >> Um, so there were two reasons. One of [00:22:33.440] them was the fact that the term UFO had [00:22:35.919] a huge amount of stigma and social taboo [00:22:38.240] attached to it. The moment you said UFO, [00:22:40.080] you thought of tinfoil hats, Elvis on [00:22:42.000] the mother ship, and and things like [00:22:43.600] that. And it really really didn’t help a [00:22:46.640] conversation. By the way, this was by [00:22:48.159] design. The US government had created [00:22:50.080] this this this operation, this [00:22:53.280] disinformation operation to discourage [00:22:55.200] people from having a serious [00:22:56.480] conversation. And how do they do it? [00:22:57.840] Well, they do it by marginalizing the [00:22:59.520] conversation. But the other reason, too, [00:23:01.440] is that the term UFO isn’t really even [00:23:04.159] accurate anymore. So, what do I mean by [00:23:05.679] that? What what is unidentified flying [00:23:08.000] object? Well, flight uh if any you ever [00:23:10.640] fly an air plane, you know there’s [00:23:12.080] there’s four fundamental forces. You [00:23:13.520] have thrust, lift, drag, and weight. And [00:23:15.760] when you understand that you can create [00:23:16.960] a lifting body, lift and you can fly. [00:23:19.440] That’s flight. Like a bird flies, an [00:23:20.880] airplane flies. But what we are seeing [00:23:22.960] here are technologies that do not have [00:23:24.880] that associated technology like an [00:23:26.799] airplane. Meaning there’s no wings, [00:23:28.559] there’s no control surfaces, no [00:23:30.000] ailerons, elevators, rudders, and yet [00:23:32.799] somehow they’re able to defy the natural [00:23:34.640] effects of Earth’s gravity. But it’s not [00:23:36.480] really flying because there’s no really [00:23:38.400] wings and obvious signs of propulsion. [00:23:40.320] Plus to say an unidentified flying [00:23:43.120] object, you kind of think they’re in our [00:23:44.640] atmosphere, but we’re beginning to see [00:23:46.080] more and more over the last 20 25 years [00:23:48.559] that they are seen in low Earth orbit. [00:23:50.480] There’s detecting them underwater. [00:23:52.400] They’re able to to transium travel. [00:23:54.320] Travel seamlessly between these [00:23:55.919] different [00:23:56.400] >> people that don’t know transmedium [00:23:57.840] travel is they’re in the air. They can [00:23:59.440] fly in the water, come back out. [00:24:00.960] >> Yeah. And in reality, look, we we do [00:24:02.799] have transmedium technology. Take a se [00:24:04.799] plane or a float plane in Alaska. [00:24:06.960] >> I don’t think that’s exactly the same. [00:24:08.720] >> Right. Exactly. It’s always a compromise [00:24:10.799] on on performance and design because the [00:24:13.039] more environments you want to operate [00:24:14.720] in, the more sacrifices you have to make [00:24:16.880] with performance and design. But we are [00:24:19.520] not seeing any of those associated [00:24:22.400] compromises with the technology we’re [00:24:24.320] seeing associated with UAP. These things [00:24:26.640] can go just as fast underwater as they [00:24:28.640] can in the sky and in low Earth orbit. [00:24:30.720] They’re doing things as you mentioned [00:24:32.240] earlier that seem to defy our [00:24:34.320] understanding of the laws of physics. [00:24:36.159] And so that term of and then was [00:24:38.880] unidentified aerial phenomenon. Now it’s [00:24:41.440] actually unidentified anomalous [00:24:43.360] phenomenon simply because they are seen [00:24:46.559] transiting multiple different what we [00:24:48.559] call domains or environments. [00:24:50.080] >> I will say this I think because of the [00:24:52.640] videos and pictures that President Trump [00:24:54.799] released and I want to get both your [00:24:56.640] thoughts on this. Um I think a lot of [00:25:00.000] people’s minds have been opened in ways [00:25:02.240] that they did not imagine. In other [00:25:04.559] words, um, you talk about defy the laws [00:25:07.679] of physics. Okay, I’m watching the [00:25:10.960] videos and I’m like, okay, we do not [00:25:14.880] have the scientific knowhow or energy [00:25:19.120] source to be able to maneuver the way [00:25:23.279] those videos are maneuvering. It does [00:25:26.720] not exist. Um, and then when you put it [00:25:30.159] all together, at least in my mind, [00:25:33.520] what other conclusion can you come to [00:25:36.320] >> except this came from somewhere else? [00:25:39.120] Now I would imagine if they have an [00:25:42.080] energy source and they have [00:25:46.000] laws of physics that we are not [00:25:48.559] knowledgeable of and the ability to [00:25:51.360] engineer such craft and we can see it [00:25:54.880] can stop go down up move you know and [00:25:58.240] we’re going to add some of the video. [00:26:00.480] Okay. Pretty impressive. Unless I’m [00:26:02.720] being bullshitted [00:26:04.400] unless they’re making these videos up. [00:26:06.880] It’s either real and it’s not from here [00:26:09.679] or this is the biggest scam ever [00:26:12.080] perpetrated on the American. [00:26:14.159] >> What if we did? What would that do to [00:26:16.400] American industry at a zero source [00:26:18.799] energy source? These things these things [00:26:20.640] are hovering [00:26:22.080] >> in some testimony we’ve had that was [00:26:24.880] outside of a secure environment. And [00:26:26.960] these things hover for hours. We have [00:26:29.039] nothing that will do that. And they [00:26:31.600] don’t put off a heat signature. When I [00:26:33.600] was here, I saw a lizard run across the [00:26:35.679] the pavement. He would put or she would [00:26:37.679] put off a heat signature. But yet, this [00:26:40.320] object that were that’s was within 14 ft [00:26:44.000] of a very highly trained pilot’s canopy [00:26:47.679] had zero heat signature. 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[00:27:30.240] Although I always say there’s no such [00:27:31.520] thing as a dumb question, [00:27:33.760] but [00:27:35.840] is there any way this is That [00:27:38.799] these videos they’re releasing, the [00:27:40.559] pictures they’re releasing, what they’re [00:27:42.559] telling us is not real, or do you know [00:27:46.320] in your capacity and your research and [00:27:48.799] your passion that it’s all real? It’s [00:27:52.240] real. I don’t know if all those videos [00:27:54.399] are. I think some of them are put out to [00:27:56.960] throw us off the trail, but I’ve [00:27:59.600] >> You think that some may [00:28:00.880] >> I’ve had too many people, Sean, tell me [00:28:02.960] and Lou can talk about this as well, but [00:28:06.320] um a friend of mine who was in the [00:28:08.880] military in the 50s had a sighting and [00:28:12.000] then out of the blue, this guy, this Air [00:28:14.480] Force officer calls me at the at my [00:28:16.320] office in Knoxville. Almost identical. [00:28:19.520] the size, shape, structure, noise, [00:28:23.120] everything was identical. And u these [00:28:26.000] two guys don’t know each other. [00:28:27.520] >> Well, I mean [00:28:28.080] >> I mean, you know, it’s just too much. [00:28:29.360] It’s too much. And there’s too much [00:28:31.440] video. There’s too much [00:28:33.360] >> expert testimony. [00:28:35.520] An admiral comes in my office and and [00:28:38.159] starts explaining to me stuff. And the [00:28:39.919] last thing he says to me before he goes [00:28:41.600] out the door, I always remember this [00:28:42.640] because he went out the side door, which [00:28:45.039] nobody ever does. He didn’t want to go [00:28:46.320] out the front door. And he just looked [00:28:47.360] at me. He says,“Tim, they’re real. That [00:28:49.520] was the last thing he said. I mean, [00:28:50.960] could it be a scop? Sure. I was briefed [00:28:54.000] in one instance um by a group, one of [00:28:56.960] our alphabet agencies, and they happened [00:28:59.039] and we said, “Well, why aren’t you doing [00:29:00.480] more research?” Well, we just don’t have [00:29:01.600] the money to do that. Now, that’s going [00:29:02.960] to be a problem because government is [00:29:05.360] insatiable on one thing and that’s [00:29:07.679] money. And they see money and they see a [00:29:09.840] bunch of willing and and opinion polls [00:29:11.919] show now what is it 55 60% of the [00:29:14.159] population believes we’re not alone. And [00:29:16.480] so they see that and that’s what they’re [00:29:18.399] going to be doing. And I think we need [00:29:19.919] to be real careful about that. But I [00:29:21.600] think if we have some careful people [00:29:24.159] their hand on the on the tail, we’ll be [00:29:26.080] all right. [00:29:26.880] >> You you did not plan to go into this [00:29:29.440] field of endeavor. [00:29:30.640] >> Yep. [00:29:31.039] >> You were serving your country. You were [00:29:32.559] in intel. You were on the battlefield [00:29:36.320] for the country. Um, and you fell into [00:29:40.799] this and then you kept rising in the [00:29:43.440] ranks of this and then they deny your [00:29:45.760] very existence. [00:29:47.279] >> I mean, I never liked Harry Reid, but I [00:29:49.039] like what he did for you cuz he [00:29:50.720] legitimized you, [00:29:52.320] >> which I thought was, you know, I got [00:29:54.399] >> I was very appreciative to have [00:29:56.320] >> All right. So, how did you get into it? [00:29:59.760] What did you first see? When did you [00:30:01.760] first believe it? And I want you to go [00:30:04.320] deep into all of these other military [00:30:06.960] guys like you, career people that have [00:30:09.919] no earthly reason to lie, [00:30:12.080] >> right? [00:30:12.559] >> And how they you all together, you know, [00:30:16.159] put this together, [00:30:17.200] >> right? So I I think it’s important to [00:30:19.200] frame that whenever you have a a [00:30:20.799] national security position besides [00:30:22.320] having a top secret security clearance [00:30:23.840] and all these other things you are you [00:30:26.320] are you have voluntarily [00:30:29.039] put yourself in a position where you can [00:30:30.799] get polygraphed at any time right and [00:30:32.799] also psychological evaluation. So it’s [00:30:34.720] very very rigorous in order to get some [00:30:37.039] of these positions especially in what we [00:30:38.799] call the above top secret world which is [00:30:40.799] the special access programs. So, at the [00:30:43.520] time, um, I was running some sensitive [00:30:45.440] operations for the intelligence [00:30:47.039] community. Uh, a group of people came to [00:30:49.279] my office and they said, “Mr. Alzando, [00:30:51.440] um, we know who you are. You’ve got a [00:30:53.520] pretty, you know, decent reputation. Uh, [00:30:55.919] we’d like you, we’re considering you for [00:30:58.080] a position. We can’t tell you what it [00:30:59.520] is, right? But we’d like to consider you [00:31:01.440] for a position uh, within our small [00:31:03.919] organization. Uh, we need some counter [00:31:05.679] intelligence and security work.” And I [00:31:07.200] said, you know, it’s not unusual. I’m [00:31:09.039] I’m here to serve, you know, whatever my [00:31:10.559] country needs. After several meetings, [00:31:12.399] they said, “Look, um, we’re going to [00:31:13.919] introduce you to our director at the [00:31:15.440] time.” And so I went to an undisclosed [00:31:18.000] location in the Washington Greater [00:31:20.559] National Capital Region, NCR region, and [00:31:22.799] I met with this gentleman uh who was [00:31:24.799] literally the foremost number one rocket [00:31:27.279] scientist in the US government. And he I [00:31:30.720] mean it unbelievable. And I remember at [00:31:34.159] the end of this conversation, I still [00:31:35.360] had no idea what this organization was [00:31:36.960] was about or what it what it needed or [00:31:38.640] what it was doing. But he asked me a [00:31:40.320] very odd question, one that I was not [00:31:42.640] expecting at all. He said, “Uh, let me [00:31:45.200] ask you something, Lou. Um, what do you [00:31:48.159] think about UFOs?” [00:31:50.320] And I thought for a second and I I [00:31:52.080] responded truthfully. I said, “I I [00:31:53.919] don’t.” And he said, “Well, do you not [00:31:55.760] believe in UFOs?” I said, “Well, no, you [00:31:57.600] didn’t ask me that. You asked me, “What [00:31:59.120] do I think about them?” And my response [00:32:01.039] is, “I don’t think about them. I don’t [00:32:02.720] have the luxury to think about them. I’m [00:32:04.159] I’m too involved in in counterterrorism [00:32:06.960] and other types of operations.” and [00:32:08.480] that’s not really my that’s not really [00:32:10.159] my my stickick, you know. Um, and he’s [00:32:13.200] looked at me and he looked over his [00:32:14.399] glasses and he said, “Well, that’s fair [00:32:15.679] enough, but let me tell you and let me [00:32:17.120] warn you here.” Um, don’t let your [00:32:20.080] analytic bias get the best of you here. [00:32:22.960] You you you’re going to you’re going to [00:32:24.320] see some things that may really [00:32:25.679] challenge any type of preconceived [00:32:27.600] narrative you have about the topic. And [00:32:29.919] I found that very peculiar. At the time, [00:32:32.480] I actually thought, are you maybe is [00:32:33.840] this some sort of test to see if I’m [00:32:35.840] prone to flights of fancy? So I I kind [00:32:38.240] of kept it inside. But very quickly [00:32:40.720] thereafter uh when they when they kind [00:32:43.120] of brought me behind the green curtain, [00:32:44.960] I realized the volume of information [00:32:48.000] that we as a government had about this [00:32:50.480] topic and that it was very real. And by [00:32:52.320] the way, on a daily basis, in some [00:32:54.399] cases, our pilots, our our our sailors [00:32:57.039] on ships were coming face to face with [00:32:59.600] these technologies that quite frankly it [00:33:03.360] darn sure wasn’t ours. And let’s god [00:33:07.200] forbid it was foreign adversary [00:33:09.360] technology cuz we’d be completely [00:33:10.799] screwed. I mean we would be completely [00:33:12.960] outmatched on the battlefield by what we [00:33:15.519] were seeing. Is that is it more a fear [00:33:17.840] of geopolitical [00:33:20.720] our enemies maybe getting the technology [00:33:22.880] before us. Everything I read is we [00:33:25.919] believe that China, Russia, other [00:33:28.559] countries also have information they’re [00:33:32.159] trying to reverse engineer. In other [00:33:34.480] words, adopt whatever yes technology is [00:33:37.919] built into these. [00:33:39.120] >> China already admitted it. China said [00:33:40.799] for the record, we have our own UFO [00:33:42.320] program, you know, our UAP program. This [00:33:44.559] is important for us from a national [00:33:47.039] security perspective. A lot more [00:33:48.399] information is going to come out very [00:33:49.600] soon about that stuff. I I’m I can’t [00:33:51.760] talk about it right now, but I think I’m [00:33:53.840] very optimistic within the next year, [00:33:55.840] we’ll be talking a little bit more about [00:33:57.200] about that side of the house. But think [00:33:59.279] about this for a second and and [00:34:00.720] Secretary Marco Rubio said this, I think [00:34:02.960] very eloquently. He said, [00:34:04.080] >> “By the way, I watched that entire [00:34:07.120] interview and I was a little shocked he [00:34:10.480] went there.” [00:34:12.159] >> Well, uh, [00:34:13.040] >> glad he did. [00:34:13.919] >> Yeah. He was briefed and, you know, he [00:34:16.159] said something I thought very [00:34:17.839] interesting, which is an excellent [00:34:19.119] point. He said, “Look, let’s just [00:34:21.599] presume, for example, for for for in [00:34:24.720] this case that this was some sort of [00:34:26.879] Russian new technology, right? That [00:34:29.599] would mean this is the greatest [00:34:31.200] intelligence failure [00:34:33.839] in the history of this nation, eclipsing [00:34:35.599] that of even 911.” Why? Because for the [00:34:37.599] last 80 years in secret, right after, by [00:34:41.280] the way, World War II, we had just [00:34:43.359] dropped the bomb. We had barely broken [00:34:44.960] the the the speed of sound and hadn’t [00:34:47.040] put anybody into space. that some [00:34:48.960] country had managed to develop this [00:34:51.760] technology a in complete secret despite [00:34:54.159] the billions of taxpayer dollars we [00:34:56.399] spend each year for the 16 organizations [00:34:58.240] of our intelligence community right [00:35:00.320] >> they’ve developed this in secret and [00:35:01.680] more importantly deployed it in secret [00:35:03.599] over sensitive US military installations [00:35:05.920] from when from the late 1940s onward to [00:35:09.119] now and in those 80 years we haven’t had [00:35:12.079] a peep not a single shred of evidence to [00:35:15.359] suggest that it was coming from another [00:35:16.880] country. This would be the greatest [00:35:18.960] intelligence failure in the history of [00:35:20.560] this nation. [00:35:21.200] >> Go back to the circumstances in which [00:35:24.160] you got pulled into this cuz that was [00:35:26.000] not your original job description. [00:35:28.800] That’s not what you anticipated you’d be [00:35:30.720] doing. It’s not what you had originally [00:35:32.720] trained for. And now you’re deep in the [00:35:34.960] weeds in this all of it. Then they deny [00:35:37.520] you as we pointed out and now you’re not [00:35:40.320] willing to stop. And then on the other [00:35:42.880] hand, you know, he’s telling me he’s not [00:35:45.680] suicidal. Uh, which little scary. You’re [00:35:49.359] telling me the same thing. Um, you both [00:35:52.400] fear or at least have in the back of [00:35:55.119] your head some belief that because of [00:35:58.960] what you know that there’s such a high [00:36:01.839] level of fear about what you know that [00:36:04.960] that we have people in our government [00:36:07.760] that don’t want either one of you to [00:36:10.240] ever disclose what you know. I’ [00:36:12.320] >> I’ve been warned. [00:36:14.160] >> Slow down. Explain. [00:36:17.119] you know, the the deep throat m, not the [00:36:19.280] porn, but the Nixon, where somebody [00:36:21.359] comes up to you and says, um, says, [00:36:24.560] “Man, are you sure you want to get into [00:36:25.920] all this?” And they always, you know, [00:36:28.079] I’ve read articles about how this is [00:36:31.200] done. It’s always somebody that you know [00:36:33.119] as a friend. And it was in a [00:36:34.720] >> Oh, they’ve been a friend. [00:36:36.000] >> Do what? Yeah. [00:36:37.040] >> Shut up. Or else. [00:36:38.000] >> Yeah. It said said, “Man,” and they [00:36:39.839] said, and it was interesting because [00:36:41.920] they approached me on the religious I’m [00:36:44.079] I’m a Christian. I’m born again [00:36:45.440] Christian. And I’m not not very good at [00:36:46.960] it. Yeah. I’m I’m all about it. And um [00:36:49.760] and I don’t I don’t see any biblical [00:36:51.359] >> I don’t have any problem. Heavens and [00:36:52.960] the earth. Ezekiel saw the wheel. I [00:36:54.720] mean, honestly, you think we’re the best [00:36:55.839] that God can do. [00:36:56.800] >> As long as it’s not Lewis Farrakhan’s [00:36:58.720] wheel. [00:36:59.040] >> No, no, no. The mother ship. [00:37:01.119] >> Yeah. I’m not I don’t go there. But but [00:37:03.520] no, um and it’s happened more than once, [00:37:05.680] but you know, it’s it was early on and [00:37:08.560] they and it was somebody had said to me, [00:37:10.800] he said said, “Man, you know what this [00:37:13.119] could do to organize religion, man? [00:37:14.720] Don’t you do you really want to go [00:37:16.000] there? [00:37:16.960] >> So, he tried to play off your faith. [00:37:18.720] >> Yeah. And I’ve had that happen before. [00:37:20.480] >> Do you think it was a real warning that [00:37:23.359] you’re going to suffer? [00:37:24.960] >> Well, I didn’t I didn’t think about it [00:37:26.400] at the time and I and after it was over [00:37:28.480] with, it didn’t really But then I look [00:37:30.079] back on it and it was uh and you know, [00:37:32.079] and I’ve I’ve seen the the financial [00:37:35.359] aspects of it. I mean, the big hitters [00:37:37.920] pull off of me because of it. [00:37:39.839] >> Oh, so they go after your donors. [00:37:42.320] >> Oh, yeah. 100%. that. But my donors are [00:37:44.720] now $25 in a Bible verse all over the [00:37:47.760] country. That’s my people and they’re [00:37:49.520] not they’re a rock. So I’m I’m excited [00:37:51.920] about that. But yeah, they’ve and and [00:37:54.400] they’ve tried to use it in campaigns [00:37:56.000] against me and it was sort of a whisper [00:37:57.839] thing and then you see the mailers and [00:37:59.119] then you see the Facebook posts and [00:38:00.640] things are wellplaced, you know, and um [00:38:03.200] >> is it to try to make you look like a [00:38:04.960] nut? [00:38:06.240] >> 100% 100%. [00:38:08.000] >> Okay. Why do you, a guy that has done [00:38:11.359] nothing really but serve his country and [00:38:14.400] they put you in this, [00:38:16.880] why do you have a fear that they they [00:38:20.960] would you you sound like they would have [00:38:23.599] no compunctions about eliminating you? [00:38:27.040] >> Sean, I’m going to share something with [00:38:28.480] you that I I don’t know how public it’s [00:38:31.280] been made. Um I suspect there are some [00:38:34.079] members of Congress who are aware of [00:38:35.440] what happened. So in 2014, and by the [00:38:37.839] way, for the record, I’m I’m I don’t [00:38:40.160] mind being in a situation that could [00:38:43.359] compromise my safety if I’m serving my [00:38:45.119] country, right? So 2014, I was put on [00:38:47.359] the ISIS al-Qaeda kill list uh for my [00:38:49.839] work uh involving Guantanamo Bay, right? [00:38:52.880] And um you know, proud service. Uh by [00:38:56.240] the way, for the record, not a great day [00:38:57.680] for Mrs. Alzando at that point, but um [00:39:00.640] that’s neither here nor there. But I [00:39:03.280] received a call about [00:39:05.440] three years ago now. Uh might have been [00:39:08.480] maybe almost four. Uh Dave Gush and I [00:39:11.200] had worked together at US Space Force uh [00:39:13.920] on this topic for the UAP task force at [00:39:16.079] the time. A lot of people think when I [00:39:17.280] left ATIP I was it and I was gone. No, I [00:39:19.119] I still worked for the US government. [00:39:21.200] Um, I received a call and it was from a [00:39:23.359] congressional staffer who had just [00:39:24.880] gotten out of a classified briefing and [00:39:27.280] he was absolutely plastered inebriated [00:39:29.520] at the local watering hole there on [00:39:31.440] Capitol the next Capitol Hill. And I [00:39:33.839] said, “Hey, are you okay?” He says, [00:39:35.760] “No.” Um, I I was in a meeting where [00:39:38.560] government officials had told myself and [00:39:41.200] other staff and and and a member or two [00:39:44.560] that there was a plan at one point, a [00:39:47.200] discussion to eliminate you and Groch. [00:39:50.240] And then [00:39:52.079] he he he said, “Look, I’m very upset by [00:39:53.760] this.” [00:39:54.079] >> Did I hear you right? [00:39:54.800] >> Yes, you absolutely heard me right. [00:39:55.920] Correct. [00:39:56.560] >> Plan to eliminate you. [00:39:57.520] >> That’s correct. And [00:39:59.680] >> whatever eliminate means. And then I [00:40:02.000] received fin [00:40:03.200] >> another call. Well, you know, that’s the [00:40:04.640] reason why I have five German shepherds [00:40:05.920] and I’m heavily armed. I mean, I it is [00:40:07.920] what it is. Uh and then immediately [00:40:10.000] after that call, um quite concerning, I [00:40:12.320] received another call from another [00:40:13.440] staffer who was first and he says, “Lou, [00:40:16.320] are you okay?” I said, “Yeah, I’m fine. [00:40:18.800] Why?” He’s like, “Well, you need to [00:40:20.240] really watch yourself.” Um, because [00:40:22.560] there was discussions involving you and [00:40:24.640] Grush that some very people were very [00:40:27.119] upset with what you guys did and there [00:40:29.359] was actually discussion at [00:40:30.640] >> upset with what? [00:40:32.320] >> Having a conversation about this topic, [00:40:34.640] I guess, without there being a plan to [00:40:37.599] have this conversation. I I I don’t [00:40:39.920] know. I I can only surmise based upon [00:40:43.040] what I heard from other individuals. [00:40:44.560] >> I don’t understand. What are they [00:40:46.079] fearful of? [00:40:47.119] >> Well, there’s fear. There’s lots of [00:40:48.720] things. So Sean, this is a great [00:40:50.240] question because you asked it earlier [00:40:51.440] and I think let let me see if I can give [00:40:53.839] you my perspective just simply because [00:40:56.880] being an ATIP and at the Pentagon and [00:40:58.560] working with the the [00:40:59.680] >> ATIP was a big deal but you weren’t [00:41:01.680] there. [00:41:02.160] >> Yeah. [00:41:02.480] >> Yeah. Right. Until they finally admitted [00:41:04.240] that ATIP was real, right? It was uh I [00:41:06.640] think under secretary of defense uh [00:41:09.359] Moltry who said uh we did look at the [00:41:11.440] ATIP files. Well, that’s funny because [00:41:12.880] if ATIP didn’t exist, what files were [00:41:14.560] you looking at? But anyways, neither [00:41:16.319] here nor there. Um, I think if you go [00:41:18.720] back to the height of the Cold War, [00:41:20.640] really, you know, the Cold War, for the [00:41:22.400] record, by the way, wasn’t very cold. It [00:41:23.599] was pretty hot. A lot of proxy wars [00:41:25.040] going on, real national security [00:41:26.640] implications, right? We just got burned [00:41:28.319] with the the secrets of the atom bomb [00:41:30.319] being transferred over to the Russians, [00:41:32.000] right? Changing the balance of power [00:41:33.839] globally. So, you have this industrial [00:41:36.480] military-industrial complex is making a [00:41:38.480] lot of money, keeping America safe. They [00:41:40.560] do a great job. The Lockheeds of the [00:41:42.079] world, you know, they they they put a [00:41:43.440] lot of great products out there that [00:41:44.560] keep our country free. [00:41:46.800] But what happens? Imagine a scenario [00:41:48.400] where you have and this is just one [00:41:49.680] example and by the way let me backtrack [00:41:52.240] here. There are three reasons why [00:41:53.680] countries keep things secret. One is to [00:41:56.079] keep secrets away from your enemies. One [00:41:58.880] is to keep secrets away from your own [00:42:00.960] people. And another reason is to [00:42:03.760] maintain the social norms. And it [00:42:07.520] doesn’t seem like that would be [00:42:08.560] government’s function but but they’ve [00:42:09.920] done it. And I can see [00:42:11.040] >> that the the population panics that the [00:42:13.280] American people panic. [00:42:14.240] >> Yes. There were two studies done back in [00:42:16.640] back several decades ago. There were [00:42:18.880] formal studies. One was by the Rand [00:42:20.480] Corporation that said if you actually [00:42:23.119] have a conversation and tell the [00:42:24.480] American people the truth about this [00:42:25.920] topic, you can destabilize markets. You [00:42:27.760] can destabilize religions. You know, [00:42:30.160] >> during the Nixon. [00:42:31.200] >> That’s right. And then later there was [00:42:34.000] in 2004 another working group. I know [00:42:37.280] two of the people that actually attended [00:42:38.720] the meeting. It was sponsored by none [00:42:40.640] other than the White House in 2004. and [00:42:44.000] a meeting occurred to say, “We’re going [00:42:45.440] to spend the next week determining [00:42:48.079] whether or not we are going to have [00:42:50.160] disclosure.” And the scientists went in, [00:42:52.880] they were super excited. They’re like, [00:42:54.079] “Oh, great. We’re finally going to tell [00:42:55.839] the American people the truth.” At the [00:42:58.000] end of that week, it was unanimous. [00:43:00.240] Every single scientist agreed we can’t [00:43:03.040] tell the truth yet. Um, now I was not in [00:43:05.440] that meeting, but several of my my [00:43:06.800] former colleagues were actually in that [00:43:08.720] meeting, and they can tell you much more [00:43:10.000] about it. Um, you have financial issues. [00:43:12.720] Here’s a perfect example. Let’s say you [00:43:14.480] are company A, you are company B, and [00:43:16.400] I’m a threestar general in the Pentagon. [00:43:18.720] >> I find some interesting material here [00:43:20.640] and I slide it over to company A, right? [00:43:23.200] Nothing to you. Now, 10 years later, [00:43:25.280] company A becomes a multi-billion dollar [00:43:27.760] aerospace company. Company B, your [00:43:30.240] company folds, you go bankrupt, 200 [00:43:32.560] people lose their jobs, and not only [00:43:34.079] that, your investors lose their [00:43:36.640] investment. Now there are SEC, Security [00:43:39.119] Exchange Commission rules that prohibit [00:43:42.400] this unfair advantage where I give [00:43:44.480] company A something and company B you [00:43:46.480] don’t get it right because we have free [00:43:47.920] competition in in this marketplace in [00:43:50.079] capitalism especially here in the United [00:43:51.839] States. So there is some real financial [00:43:54.319] liability because imagine now the next [00:43:56.160] two three decades down the road. The [00:43:58.400] lawsuit that now trillions of dollars [00:44:01.440] have of of taxpayer money has gone to [00:44:03.599] this company and it’s now this [00:44:04.720] multi-billion dollar corporation. Where [00:44:07.040] is the liability for people who worked [00:44:09.359] in your company, right? How can you [00:44:11.359] imagine the legal cottage industry that [00:44:13.599] would ensue and how much money? And by [00:44:15.839] the way, he’s too big to fail. You [00:44:17.280] cannot bring down these companies [00:44:18.560] because they are doing real national [00:44:20.079] security work. like for real. So, how do [00:44:23.040] you protect them? And this goes kind of [00:44:24.480] the amnesty discussion that that that [00:44:27.280] Representative Burchchett and his [00:44:28.560] colleagues have been so instrumental on. [00:44:30.640] I cannot tell you, I cannot emphasize [00:44:32.800] enough what this man and his colleagues [00:44:35.440] have been able to do for this country in [00:44:37.280] just the last four years. I never would [00:44:39.280] have believed it when I came out. [00:44:40.960] >> And yet, here we are. In a large part, [00:44:42.720] what you’re seeing with all this [00:44:44.079] legislation is because of people like [00:44:46.240] Representative Burchchett, the man [00:44:47.520] sitting right next to me in this chair. [00:44:49.520] Now there’s [00:44:50.000] >> or Burchchett either one [00:44:50.960] >> or Burchchet. I’m sorry. That’s right. [00:44:52.160] Burchchett, forgive me. Sorry. It’s my [00:44:54.079] my Spanish coming out. I see the Beret. [00:44:56.800] Uh Burchett. And so so that’s one [00:44:59.359] reason. Now there’s another reason too [00:45:01.200] that I remember I said there’s reasons [00:45:03.119] why we don’t we keep secrets. One is we [00:45:05.359] worry about the populace. Case in point, [00:45:07.920] 1947, the Dead Sea Scrolls were [00:45:10.800] discovered. [00:45:11.680] >> Remember [00:45:12.240] >> it was years before the scientific [00:45:14.720] community released the translations. [00:45:17.040] Why? because they were afraid of the [00:45:19.200] impact on the Judeo-Christian belief [00:45:21.280] system at the time. They saw it as a [00:45:23.680] destabilizing force. What if these Dead [00:45:26.000] Sea Scrolls contradicts [00:45:28.640] the way we consider Christianity, [00:45:30.880] Judaism today? So, that’s another issue. [00:45:34.319] And then last but not least, the real [00:45:35.839] issue is do you really want to tip your [00:45:37.520] hand to the fact to your adversaries, [00:45:40.319] yeah, we’ve been looking at this and we [00:45:42.079] might have had some insight into how [00:45:43.680] these things work. maybe we know a [00:45:45.200] little bit more than we’re letting up, [00:45:46.560] you know, and and letting on to. Um it’s [00:45:49.599] there’s a lot of reasons why [00:45:51.520] organizations would want to keep this [00:45:53.440] type of information classified and [00:45:56.079] hidden even from the American people. [00:45:58.160] The problem I have is when they keep it [00:45:59.760] from people like him and they keep it [00:46:01.680] from the president of the United States, [00:46:03.520] that is no longer illegal activity. [00:46:05.280] >> Yeah. I was told I was told in a secure [00:46:08.160] environment that the president was on a [00:46:10.079] need to- know basis. [00:46:11.520] >> Think about that for a second. [00:46:13.760] Correct. [00:46:15.520] >> Who told you that? [00:46:17.520] >> Let let me back up. It was not this [00:46:19.440] president. It was the prior president [00:46:20.800] and it was the kid with the man bun. I [00:46:22.960] don’t remember his name. I go to so many [00:46:24.880] stupid things. I just [00:46:26.000] >> Sean, think about that for a minute. [00:46:27.440] Someone is making a unilateral decision [00:46:29.440] in our government not to inform the [00:46:32.240] president. [00:46:34.000] >> All right. If it feels like everybody’s [00:46:35.920] sick right now, guess what? You are not [00:46:38.079] imagining it. Now doctors say this is [00:46:40.560] the worst cold and flu season in 25 [00:46:43.440] years and it’s not even over. Now I just [00:46:46.079] went out to dinner with friends and it [00:46:48.000] was like everyone coughing, sneezing, [00:46:50.960] sick, or they just been sick. They’re [00:46:52.960] just getting over being sick. I can’t [00:46:54.800] afford to get sick. I doubt you can [00:46:56.560] either. Now you see this here. This is [00:46:58.960] why I ordered the emergency medical kit. [00:47:02.800] And many of my colleagues have it too. [00:47:04.640] You’ve seen Dr. Drew, Dr. McCulla. They [00:47:07.040] have this kit on their show. It’s called [00:47:08.800] the Wellness Company Medical Emergency [00:47:10.960] Kit. Every home should have one. Having [00:47:13.520] a medical emergency kit. That’s like [00:47:16.000] having an urgent care pharmacy right in [00:47:18.480] your home. Look at this. All look at [00:47:20.400] that. Includes essential prescriptions. [00:47:22.800] Generic Zpack to help you get well [00:47:24.800] faster. Plus very important antibiotics. 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Go to [00:48:14.079] urgentcarekit.com. [00:48:16.079] One word urgentkit.com. Again, save 45 [00:48:19.200] bucks. Promo code Hannity. Urgentit.com. [00:48:22.480] And you will be healthier and prepared. [00:48:26.480] I’m going to take you back to President [00:48:27.839] Trump’s first term. [00:48:30.160] I asked him about this issue privately. [00:48:33.359] He didn’t seem that interested or which [00:48:36.480] is very uncharacteristic from for him. I [00:48:39.200] said, you know, I’ve been reading about [00:48:40.880] UFOs. I said, “Are they real?” And this [00:48:44.559] was a private conversation. I’ve known [00:48:46.079] him for 30 years. [00:48:47.040] >> Sure. [00:48:47.680] >> And he didn’t show much interest. And I [00:48:50.319] that very uncharacteristic for him cuz [00:48:53.520] he’s very curious about everything and [00:48:55.520] if he can find out a state secret he’d [00:48:57.359] want to find it out. Um here’s what I [00:49:00.480] want and I’m going to let you two maybe [00:49:02.559] bounce off each other a little bit and [00:49:04.400] have this conversation. What do we know [00:49:07.520] exists? For example, we have all these [00:49:11.200] recent releases. It defies the laws of [00:49:14.240] physics. Um, [00:49:17.280] what do we know for sure that we have [00:49:20.640] age of disclosure? What do we have? [00:49:23.359] There are people that say they have [00:49:25.920] flying saucer. They’ve seen it. They’ve [00:49:28.640] seen the power source. It’s something [00:49:30.559] that you would never imagine. Uh, and [00:49:33.200] whatever entity might have been in there [00:49:35.119] is very small. What do we know for sure? [00:49:38.720] And I’ll kind of let you two kind of [00:49:40.079] fill in each other’s gaps. What do we [00:49:41.760] know? [00:49:42.079] >> Go ahead, brother. So [00:49:44.480] maybe this is more telling than than not [00:49:46.960] telling, but I [00:49:47.839] >> By the way, include what we just had [00:49:49.599] released. [00:49:50.319] >> Sure. Um, I signed a document with the [00:49:54.480] US government several years ago that [00:49:57.200] says specifically prohibits me from ever [00:49:59.680] discussing the topic of crash [00:50:01.760] retrievals. [00:50:02.559] >> The the topic of [00:50:04.000] >> crash retrievals. [00:50:05.599] >> That’s all. [00:50:06.559] >> And we have departments that have gone [00:50:08.240] on record to say they have crash [00:50:10.720] retrieval departments. Wait a minute. [00:50:12.640] >> Within the federal government, [00:50:13.920] >> you you kind of go into a non they give [00:50:16.079] you a non-disclosure, [00:50:18.000] so you can’t talk about what you know to [00:50:20.079] be true, [00:50:20.880] >> right? Basically says the only thing I [00:50:22.880] can say are the words crash retrieval [00:50:24.480] and I cannot elaborate anything about [00:50:26.880] crash retrieval. [00:50:27.920] >> Okay? You know, I’ve been doing this [00:50:29.359] kind of a number of decades. If you say [00:50:31.520] you can’t talk about crash retrieval, [00:50:34.000] that means you know about crash [00:50:35.760] retrieval. Can you talk about it? [00:50:37.760] >> I can talk about it. Go ahead. Yeah. Uh [00:50:40.240] we’ve had [00:50:41.760] We’ve had in in classified and [00:50:44.400] unclaified [00:50:46.720] that have sworn testimony that said [00:50:48.800] there is crash retrieval programs. We’ve [00:50:51.119] gone [00:50:54.000] into into situ into secure environments [00:50:57.440] where the people have discussed those [00:50:59.839] crash retrieval. They they’ve discussed [00:51:02.480] what they’ve seen and actually some of [00:51:05.200] them have told us where they’re at to [00:51:06.640] this day. The problem with that is [00:51:08.480] though, everybody says, “Let’s go to [00:51:09.839] Area 51, Burchett, or whatever, [00:51:11.680] whatever.” And, you know, soon as we [00:51:14.240] announce we’re going somewhere, the you [00:51:16.079] the U-Haul vans have already left 30 [00:51:17.920] minutes before we get there. And then [00:51:19.040] there’s, you know, Area 51, they’re [00:51:20.480] probably a great place to get a [00:51:21.440] hamburger and a t-shirt. But I I I doubt [00:51:23.680] there a there’s not a dad gum thing [00:51:26.000] there that we, you know, that would [00:51:27.839] strike interest to us. [00:51:29.119] >> But there are entire documentaries built [00:51:31.839] around the fact that we have crash [00:51:34.079] retrieval. That’s right. and that we [00:51:35.839] understand at least to some level. [00:51:38.480] >> We we we’ve been told in a skiff the [00:51:40.559] locations of those. [00:51:43.440] >> How about that? We’ve been [00:51:44.640] >> how many? [00:51:45.920] >> Um five that I there’s you can’t talk [00:51:50.079] about it, but I can. Uh look, yeah, five [00:51:53.760] um different I mean they give they give [00:51:55.680] >> the government make you sign an NDA over [00:51:58.400] what you know to be true. [00:51:59.520] >> That’s a great question. We should ask [00:52:00.800] them that. And this is why Congress is [00:52:02.720] so important because without Congress [00:52:04.640] doing what they’re doing right now, I [00:52:06.559] never would have been able to make it [00:52:08.480] even this far or even half as far [00:52:10.160] before. [00:52:10.480] >> Well, you got to realize the first [00:52:11.599] report where all this came about was I’m [00:52:14.000] walking down the street literally in [00:52:15.839] Washington DC and the center of all [00:52:17.520] media TMZ comes up and asks me a [00:52:19.760] question and says, you know, about I [00:52:22.559] said, “This thing had more holes in it. [00:52:24.079] You look like somebody shot it with a 12 [00:52:25.599] gauge.” I said, “The report’s not coming [00:52:27.359] out. It’s going to come out later.” and [00:52:29.839] um and it and it’ll be all just pieced [00:52:32.640] together and it won’t be anything. And [00:52:34.000] then it and then it did and then we said [00:52:36.400] enough is enough. I went to chairman [00:52:38.400] comr myself and Luna and a couple others [00:52:40.960] and said we got to get and Gates Matt [00:52:42.800] Gates was still in Congress then said we [00:52:45.040] got to do this and he said all right [00:52:46.240] it’s your baby. Can we make a couple of [00:52:47.839] assumptions if there is crash retrieval [00:52:51.520] and there is this phenomenon and maybe [00:52:55.119] they have laws of physics that we can’t [00:52:58.559] >> well quantum physics is a I’m not okay [00:53:01.440] something’s vibrating over here and it’s [00:53:03.040] immediately over here to me that proves [00:53:05.440] God’s existence because it’s [00:53:06.960] instantaneous and that that’s what we [00:53:09.119] can’t I can’t grasp in my mind but [00:53:11.440] quantum physics is basically just that [00:53:13.359] >> can we make an assumption though that if [00:53:14.880] they wanted to hurt us they would have [00:53:16.400] been able to do. [00:53:16.960] >> We’ have been a charcoal brick, man. [00:53:18.319] We’d have been gone. They don’t want to [00:53:19.839] hurt us. I think it’s just like they’re [00:53:21.119] flying over an antill or as some friends [00:53:24.240] of mine in the Navy have suggested that [00:53:26.400] possibly these deep sea areas could [00:53:28.720] >> You know for a fact, Congressman, that [00:53:30.640] we have crash retrieval? [00:53:32.720] >> I do. [00:53:34.079] >> Well, I mean, I I haven’t seen it. And [00:53:36.880] again, why would they lie to me other [00:53:39.040] than just I’m a pain in their ass and I [00:53:41.359] keep asking, [00:53:42.079] >> do we have body retrieval? [00:53:44.960] >> I think we do. I think we do. And it [00:53:48.240] doesn’t doesn’t question my faith [00:53:50.319] because what what started is [00:53:53.760] >> and Lou might not have been in these [00:53:56.160] conversations, but there was a there was [00:53:58.559] a time we were using a different radio [00:54:00.319] frequency or a different radio system [00:54:02.319] after the war and we saw a real [00:54:03.920] propensity of crashes apparently from 45 [00:54:07.359] maybe or 47 which was um which was [00:54:09.680] Roswell. [00:54:10.319] >> That’s correct. up until maybe 15 years [00:54:12.400] later and they changed it and we think [00:54:14.480] that could have had something an effect [00:54:16.240] on that. Um that and I’ve heard that [00:54:19.520] mentioned and whispered in certain [00:54:21.119] circles and so that’s why I think a lot [00:54:23.680] of it is probably stuff that’s it’s not [00:54:25.839] as frequent now if if not even probably [00:54:29.119] not now if unless it’s um an area we’re [00:54:32.559] not in like maybe the ocean which I [00:54:34.319] think is is a great would be a great [00:54:37.280] search spot. five deep water areas. Um, [00:54:42.240] and we know more about the surface of [00:54:43.599] the moon. I think we’ve we’ve probably [00:54:45.760] uh traced less than 10% of the surface [00:54:49.760] of the ocean. [00:54:50.800] >> What about Lazar? What about his story? [00:54:53.040] >> So, I I never met Lazar and you know, I’ [00:54:54.880] I’ve always told everybody the same [00:54:57.200] thing. I I don’t talk about somebody who [00:54:58.720] I’ve never met. Um I I I couldn’t tell [00:55:01.200] you. Uh seems like a nice guy, but I I [00:55:03.359] >> They have a very similar situation [00:55:04.880] though. He saw the disc, [00:55:06.800] >> you know, [00:55:07.280] >> saw the power source. [00:55:08.160] >> No, I’m aware of of what he said. So, [00:55:09.680] let me let me see if I can put this in [00:55:11.200] in context that I can talk about uh or [00:55:13.200] at least I’m allowed to talk about it [00:55:15.359] was it was assessed by the scientists at [00:55:18.880] the time in ATIP and then later by it [00:55:20.640] was revalidated by other scientists. [00:55:22.800] Let’s take the Nimttz encounter for [00:55:24.160] example in 2004 November time frame. the [00:55:26.960] USS Nimttz carrier strike group right [00:55:29.359] right after 911 is doing their workups [00:55:31.599] their kind of their warm-ups before [00:55:33.359] doing a deployment over uh to you know [00:55:36.079] in in in war for the for 9/11 um in [00:55:39.040] support of 911 operations. So they’re [00:55:41.520] off the coast of California and um for [00:55:45.280] days the radar operators on the USS [00:55:48.559] Princeton was the the brand new spy one [00:55:50.960] radar. It was a multi-phase radar system [00:55:53.200] that can pick up a baseball at 80,000 [00:55:55.200] ft. They were picking up these UFOs, [00:55:58.480] these UAP, these objects, these [00:56:00.559] technologies coming in from 80,000 feet, [00:56:03.680] then dropping down to just 50 ft above [00:56:06.079] the surface of the water [00:56:07.359] >> and hovering [00:56:08.079] >> hover and bouncing back, but in less [00:56:10.160] than.7 seconds [00:56:13.040] >> crazy. [00:56:13.599] >> It’s and then going back up. And it was [00:56:15.359] assessed that the energy requirement to [00:56:17.839] do that was something ridiculous. [00:56:20.240] something like three times the annual [00:56:22.559] energy output of the entire continental [00:56:25.119] United States, right? Displayed right [00:56:27.440] before our very eyes. And then of course [00:56:28.960] pilots come back and they see it with it [00:56:31.200] with their eyeballs. You can see it on [00:56:32.640] the on the on the fleer camera and the [00:56:34.720] and the footage that was taken. And and [00:56:37.040] this is happening all the time. And by [00:56:38.480] the way, what where was this? It was [00:56:40.240] overwater. So, you know, Representative [00:56:42.720] Burchett here is absolutely right that [00:56:44.559] there seems to be and this is something [00:56:46.000] we knew in ATIP. [00:56:48.160] Two commonalities as it relates to UAP. [00:56:50.960] One is water over large bodies of water. [00:56:53.920] The other is nuclear connection. They [00:56:56.480] seem to be interested in our nuclear [00:56:58.240] equities, nuclear power generation, [00:57:00.000] nuclear warheads, nuclear weapons and [00:57:01.760] delivery systems. Time and time again we [00:57:04.240] see that common thread whether it’s with [00:57:05.839] the USS Nimmits carrier strike group [00:57:07.520] with the USS Roosevelt in back 2013 2014 [00:57:11.040] time frame um there is this common [00:57:13.200] thread and in fact that was the impetus [00:57:14.880] when we were at the Pentagon to start [00:57:16.400] what we called operation interloper it [00:57:18.480] was an actual operational plan that was [00:57:20.960] submitted through the Pentagon’s joint [00:57:22.559] staff to create a trap [00:57:24.160] >> Can I can I interject something right [00:57:25.520] there when he said the nuclear um one of [00:57:27.680] the stories that I got was somebody that [00:57:29.280] I know that I know that was in the [00:57:31.440] military and he said it was it when we [00:57:33.520] first started putting the um nuclear [00:57:36.240] missiles in the subs and they were it [00:57:38.880] was going off their ship or boat or what [00:57:40.799] I’m not a Navy person and they were [00:57:42.559] loading it onto a sub and this thing [00:57:45.119] hovered over the ship at that point and [00:57:48.160] um it’s time and time again there’s a [00:57:50.079] nuclear connection and there was an [00:57:51.760] incident where the um the the um and [00:57:54.079] it’s been documented that the uh the [00:57:55.760] nuclear facility actually shut down [00:57:58.559] because they saw these these things are [00:58:00.480] flying over. Let me let me [00:58:01.839] >> and I don’t I don’t know I don’t know [00:58:03.359] the connection. I just that’s [00:58:04.880] >> I’m I’m taking your word on the nuclear [00:58:06.400] part of the [00:58:07.200] >> Sean. Here’s a here’s a document. This [00:58:08.880] says this is a CIA document by the way. [00:58:11.119] Central of intelligence a central [00:58:12.400] intelligence agency, right? [00:58:14.240] >> Flying saucers over Belgian Congo [00:58:16.720] uranium mines. The date of this is 1952. [00:58:19.920] You can have a look at it for yourself [00:58:21.200] if you like. [00:58:21.920] >> Yeah. Thanks. [00:58:23.599] >> Thank you. [00:58:24.240] >> And and the delivery guy. [00:58:26.000] >> There are countless documents. [00:58:27.839] Congressman didn’t do anything for you. [00:58:30.480] >> There are countless documents exactly [00:58:32.559] like that that seem to show this [00:58:34.640] relationship between our nuclear [00:58:36.160] technologies and whatever these are in [00:58:38.480] our [00:58:38.880] >> See, we talk about nuclear technology. [00:58:40.799] You’re going to think this is a little [00:58:41.839] weird about me, but um I remember my my [00:58:45.680] 20s there used to be something called [00:58:47.920] the invention convention and you had [00:58:50.319] silly stuff and you had, you know, [00:58:52.559] really smart, brilliant people come up [00:58:54.559] with like the next whatever. Um, and I [00:58:58.160] remember there was a guy from Louisiana. [00:59:00.559] I think he’s since passed on. And he [00:59:02.880] wrote a self-published book. In the [00:59:05.280] book, the thesis of it, and for some [00:59:07.680] reason I was interested, is that the [00:59:10.319] gravitational pull, if we could ever tap [00:59:13.359] into it, would supply more energy than [00:59:17.680] humankind would ever be able to use, [00:59:20.000] want, or need in perpetuity and for free [00:59:23.040] for everybody. his one big concern which [00:59:26.559] should be a concern of everybody is if [00:59:28.640] you can use it for good you can use it [00:59:30.240] for evil and he worried that if in fact [00:59:33.760] he was right his theory was right um [00:59:36.559] that would happen so what I want to now [00:59:39.760] get to is [00:59:42.079] we’re now [00:59:44.160] at the beginning stages of seeing things [00:59:48.640] that the American people have never seen [00:59:50.640] before [00:59:52.240] saying and you’re Okay, it’s the tip of [00:59:54.960] the iceberg. You can’t talk about all [00:59:58.559] that you know. You [01:00:02.480] won’t talk about it. The very thing that [01:00:04.319] would keep us all up at night. Um, and I [01:00:08.480] I’m I I find it like it’s like a frigid [01:00:14.559] environment [01:00:16.400] where there seems to be an orchestrated [01:00:19.839] attempt to prevent knowledge from [01:00:22.160] getting to the American people. [01:00:24.160] Something that I think anybody with an [01:00:26.559] ounce of curiosity would care about. [01:00:28.720] >> That’s right. [01:00:29.920] >> Okay. So, how do we break that log jam? [01:00:32.160] I mean, and go through what we now know. [01:00:34.559] We know dude you you can’t answer. We [01:00:38.559] have recovered some [01:00:41.440] something. [01:00:43.040] >> Let me see if I can answer this for you [01:00:45.359] in this way. [01:00:47.359] I have held in my hand [01:00:51.680] exotic material [01:00:54.079] that we have no idea how it was [01:00:57.119] manufactured. In fact, did not have the [01:00:59.359] technology or capabilities to [01:01:01.040] manufacture until just 5 years ago. to [01:01:03.760] exotic material. What do you mean? [01:01:05.280] >> Uh a a piece of material like a metal or [01:01:09.359] something [01:01:09.680] >> that is layered very precisely. Um and [01:01:15.040] other scientists have validated that to [01:01:17.760] include at the atomic level where you’re [01:01:19.920] looking at isotopes that have been [01:01:21.760] specifically arranged. So let let’s let [01:01:23.599] me back up here. If I want to design [01:01:26.960] these glasses for example, these reading [01:01:28.640] glasses, right? There’s you have to [01:01:29.920] understand material science, understand [01:01:31.119] how plastic works and you kind of melt [01:01:32.799] the plastic around lenses, you have [01:01:34.319] glasses. But if you look at this from [01:01:37.280] beyond just a physical perspective, you [01:01:38.799] look at its chemical composition, you [01:01:40.480] would notice that there’s polyethylene [01:01:42.079] in here and some nylon and some other [01:01:43.839] materials, right? And if you are willing [01:01:46.480] to spend the money and and and look [01:01:48.960] further into the atomic structure, [01:01:51.119] right, you start to really unlock things [01:01:53.119] that can tell you if something is made [01:01:56.640] by humans or not. Because in order to [01:01:59.119] have isotopic [01:02:02.240] isotopes put within a lattice matrix so [01:02:05.200] specific requires a lot of money and a [01:02:07.680] lot of technology to have it that [01:02:10.160] precise. And so when the scientists are [01:02:11.760] looking, they’re saying, “Hey, we’ve got [01:02:13.839] material here that was allegedly [01:02:16.000] recovered from a crash back in the late [01:02:18.240] 1940s.” And we know for sure that the [01:02:20.880] Providence at a minimum was from the [01:02:22.559] late 1980s, early 1990s. We’ve had that [01:02:25.520] material in our possession at least from [01:02:27.200] that time and a major aerospace [01:02:31.280] contractor for the US government only [01:02:33.839] four years ago successfully was able to [01:02:36.000] try to replicate a little bit of that at [01:02:38.079] a macro level and it destroyed the [01:02:39.920] machine out of a cost of $1 million. [01:02:43.359] And they tell you if you wanted us to [01:02:45.119] make this it would cost billions and [01:02:46.480] billions of you you can’t afford us to [01:02:49.040] make something like this. Um then you [01:02:51.680] have to start asking the hard questions. [01:02:53.200] Okay, if it’s not our material, and by [01:02:55.040] the way, I briefed when I was in in at [01:02:57.280] the Pentagon, seniors at the Pentagon on [01:02:59.920] this very material, and they said, [01:03:02.079] “Well, Lou, is it Russian? Is it [01:03:03.520] Chinese?” So, well, if it is, we got [01:03:05.760] bigger problems on our hands because [01:03:07.280] this material, [01:03:09.119] we still can’t replicate it today. So, [01:03:13.359] that’s about as far as I can go with [01:03:15.839] what your question is. But physical [01:03:18.480] evidence, seeing is believing. When you [01:03:20.480] have something that you can actually [01:03:22.240] apply scientific rigor at the atomic [01:03:25.200] level, not just the chemical molecular [01:03:26.960] level, not just the physical level, the [01:03:28.559] tensil strength, etc., you’re forced to [01:03:31.200] to then reconcile the results of that [01:03:33.440] with, [01:03:35.039] you know, where we are today with our [01:03:36.400] current technology. And if you have a [01:03:37.599] delta, meaning you have material here [01:03:39.839] that still we can’t replicate, well, [01:03:41.760] someone did. It didn’t come naturally. [01:03:44.720] >> You talk about the five observables. I [01:03:47.920] want you to explain that. So there’s [01:03:49.920] actually there there were six [01:03:51.359] fundamental [01:03:53.359] observables that we realized early on in [01:03:56.160] order for us to make sense of what we [01:03:57.760] were seeing here as intelligence [01:03:59.440] officers, right? You’re always trying to [01:04:00.960] find the outlier. You’re always trying [01:04:02.960] to find that piece of information that [01:04:04.640] sticks out that makes it unlike anything [01:04:06.880] else. And so we realized that we would [01:04:09.599] have to to have these bins to put [01:04:12.480] information in. Five of them were [01:04:14.480] physical observable properties that we [01:04:17.280] could actually see and measure telemetry [01:04:19.280] data. We could record it. We could see [01:04:20.799] how fast it’s going that would set it [01:04:23.520] aside above and beyond anything that we [01:04:25.920] have technologically speaking or that [01:04:28.160] we’re pretty sure our adversaries have. [01:04:29.839] So the first one was instantaneous [01:04:32.240] acceleration. That is the ability to [01:04:34.799] move in different positions rather [01:04:37.200] rapidly. Now we express those forces, [01:04:39.839] we’ve experienced those forces as G [01:04:41.839] forces, right? So to put that into [01:04:43.760] context, the average human being can [01:04:45.520] withstand about 9 G’s for a very short [01:04:48.559] period of time before you start [01:04:49.760] suffering medical consequences, [01:04:51.280] blackouts, red outs, and ultimately [01:04:52.799] death. To compare that to some of our [01:04:55.280] best manned technology, the General [01:04:58.160] Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon uh is an [01:05:01.359] older aircraft platform, but still one [01:05:03.039] of the most highly maneuverable aircraft [01:05:04.720] we have in our inventory that you can [01:05:06.319] fly that can pull about at the [01:05:08.240] unclassified level between 17 and 18 GS [01:05:11.520] before you start experiencing [01:05:13.839] disintegration of the airframe. Wings [01:05:15.760] begin to to snap off, the airframe will [01:05:18.079] will will be destroyed. [01:05:20.720] We are seeing objects that are [01:05:22.559] performing maneuvers in excess of 3,000 [01:05:26.880] 4,000 G-forces. Now, put that into [01:05:29.760] context of what we can withstand as a [01:05:32.240] human being and what our best [01:05:34.319] technologies can can perform at. We’re [01:05:36.799] well beyond that. [01:05:37.599] >> These are the videos that have been [01:05:39.200] released. This is the stuff we’re [01:05:40.480] seeing. [01:05:40.960] >> You’re starting to see that now. The [01:05:42.640] other another observable is hypersonic [01:05:44.559] velocity. Now, hypersonics by definition [01:05:46.720] are speeds in excess of Mach 5 or above. [01:05:50.480] Mach 5, what is a Mach? Speed of sound. [01:05:52.720] Roughly 768 mph at sea level, plus or [01:05:55.359] minus. That’s the speed of sound, Mach [01:05:57.200] 1. Multiply that by five and now we’re [01:06:00.640] talking very few. You hear about Russian [01:06:02.720] hypersonics, right, that Putin is [01:06:04.400] developing. [01:06:05.359] >> You hear about the China 2. You hear [01:06:06.720] about SR71, the the Lockheed Blackbird [01:06:09.440] that we had, right? that to put that [01:06:11.760] into context at roughly 3200 m an hour [01:06:14.960] right on the cusp of Mach 5 um when that [01:06:18.240] wants to take a right-hand turn takes [01:06:20.640] roughly half the state of Ohio to do [01:06:22.720] that but that’s not what we’re seeing [01:06:24.559] we’re seeing objects doing in excess of [01:06:26.319] 10,000 15,000 20,000 mph and they’re [01:06:29.680] doing immediate right angle turns 180° [01:06:32.559] turns right so instantaneous [01:06:34.720] acceleration hypersonic velocity you [01:06:36.799] mentioned it earlier transmedium travel [01:06:38.640] the ability to operate seamlessly ly [01:06:40.720] within different environments. And then [01:06:42.720] you have low observability. It’s a bit [01:06:44.559] of an oxymoron, but they’re hard to see, [01:06:46.480] not just on radar, but they’re also hard [01:06:48.000] to see even with the human eye. You can [01:06:49.359] see something there, but you’re not [01:06:50.480] quite sure what it is. It’s hard to [01:06:52.240] identify because there’s no wings, no no [01:06:54.079] cockpit, there’s no obvious signs of [01:06:55.920] propulsion. And then the last [01:06:57.839] observable, performance observable, was [01:07:01.119] it’s a bad word in science, but it was [01:07:02.960] anti-gravity. the ability to defy the [01:07:05.760] natural effects of Earth’s gravitational [01:07:07.839] pull on everything without the [01:07:10.160] associated technology such as wings uh [01:07:13.440] without many of signs of obvious signs [01:07:15.520] of propulsion, no propeller, no rotor [01:07:18.079] blades, no you know jet engine, no [01:07:19.920] rocket engine, [01:07:20.799] >> not flight as we know it. [01:07:22.400] >> Not flight as we know it precisely. And [01:07:25.359] so when you start seeing because look [01:07:28.880] you can go to UK right now and see that [01:07:31.520] drone pervasive the pervasiveness of [01:07:33.599] drones is everywhere. [01:07:34.960] >> They they have a new generation of drone [01:07:36.640] every 4 to 10 days. That’s how quick [01:07:39.039] that’s growing. [01:07:40.480] >> I don’t know if if if most Americans are [01:07:42.720] aware but you know for the first time in [01:07:44.319] human history more casualties have been [01:07:46.559] caused on the battlefield by drones than [01:07:49.280] artillery and infantry combined. been [01:07:52.400] talking about the next generation of [01:07:53.839] weaponry for a long time. It’s now [01:07:56.079] unfolding in real time. You see it with [01:07:58.319] Ukraine and Russia. You see it in the [01:08:00.319] Middle East. You see it with [01:08:01.599] hypersonics. You see it with all of [01:08:03.280] that. [01:08:05.119] >> All right. I want to be honest. Hearing [01:08:07.200] loss is something a lot of people just [01:08:09.359] don’t like to talk about. It can be [01:08:11.119] frustrating, embarrassing. You know, [01:08:13.359] maybe you’re turning up the TV too loud [01:08:15.359] and people are, you know, saying, “Why [01:08:17.359] is it so loud?” or asking people to [01:08:19.679] repeat themselves. Or you’re sitting in [01:08:21.600] a restaurant nodding along in a [01:08:23.199] conversation. You you’re not hearing [01:08:25.199] what’s being said. I’ve been in radio [01:08:27.199] since 1987. I know a thing or two about [01:08:29.839] hearing loss. Everybody in radio, they [01:08:32.000] lose their hearing to some extent. Now, [01:08:34.400] a lot of people felt like hearing aids [01:08:36.719] would make them look old. Audient, [01:08:39.600] they’ve changed all. Look at this. Look [01:08:41.359] at this. 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[01:10:10.320] >> Yeah. I I was briefed in a situation and [01:10:13.520] they got into some pretty intense stuff [01:10:16.960] and [01:10:19.760] certainly [01:10:20.159] >> Can I ask who briefed you? [01:10:22.080] >> You can ask, but I don’t I can’t tell. [01:10:24.000] >> You can’t tell? [01:10:24.719] >> No. Um I got to get some clearance on [01:10:27.600] this. [01:10:28.080] >> Can I ask a question? Has Have you ever [01:10:29.760] told Donald Trump about all the [01:10:31.360] obstacles they’re throwing in your face? [01:10:32.960] >> No, I haven’t. As a matter of fact, I [01:10:34.560] had a discussion with somebody last [01:10:36.239] week. I said, I got to, they said, you [01:10:38.239] need to have lunch with him. It’s very [01:10:39.760] difficult to get, you know, he’s right [01:10:42.880] now, of course, things going on all over [01:10:44.320] the world. [01:10:44.800] >> But you’re also saying on the other [01:10:46.080] hand, on a need to- know basis, and that [01:10:48.000] means the president’s not on a need to- [01:10:49.679] know basis. [01:10:50.800] >> Our dulyeleed president [01:10:53.280] >> is being held information is being [01:10:55.040] withheld from him. [01:10:56.000] >> I I believe so. I was told that even um [01:10:59.600] yeah and this one in this gift this one [01:11:03.280] time where where they asked me where [01:11:04.880] you’re quoting [01:11:06.159] >> I mean there was some pretty intense [01:11:07.760] stuff about [01:11:10.800] life forms [01:11:12.719] what they were doing um and and [01:11:16.320] different and [01:11:17.040] >> life forms alive here [01:11:20.159] life forms dead here [01:11:21.600] >> possibly both both [01:11:25.199] and and I [01:11:26.560] >> the vehicle few that have been recovered [01:11:29.280] here. [01:11:30.000] >> Yeah. And some that have possibly [01:11:34.000] come here and not in not in a crash type [01:11:37.840] setting. The um [01:11:40.880] we were we had an individual that gave [01:11:43.520] and and this was interesting about the [01:11:45.120] whole thing was because there’s all the [01:11:47.760] folks in there and there’s um um who [01:11:51.360] else? Who who’d you tell me went to um [01:11:53.600] went to Texas and got the standing [01:11:55.040] ovation? Um, [01:11:56.080] >> oh yeah, Burlson. [01:11:56.960] >> Burlson [01:11:57.520] >> represent Burlson. [01:11:58.239] >> Burlson. I mean, there’s there’s [01:11:59.520] different groups of people and and [01:12:01.280] Burlson’s a dear friend of mine and he [01:12:03.920] um cuz in the beginning he was a big [01:12:06.080] skeptic, you know, and and I and I asked [01:12:08.159] him to join us in some of this stuff [01:12:10.000] because I needed somebody that just it [01:12:11.679] wasn’t like me that just had been [01:12:14.000] >> Skepticism is healthy. [01:12:15.120] >> It’s very healthy. I mean I you know um [01:12:18.480] uh a lot of people that were skeptics [01:12:21.120] but we were in this one meeting in a in [01:12:23.520] a secure environment and um and a member [01:12:26.640] came in who was not really friendly to [01:12:28.640] the cause and uh really was a disruptor [01:12:32.640] and started asking questions [01:12:35.520] and the person who was briefing us [01:12:41.199] names, dates, times, places, events, [01:12:45.600] people. I mean, I cuz I’d asked a [01:12:48.239] question about Jimmy Carter. There was [01:12:50.480] talk I just threw it out there that [01:12:53.120] Carter [01:12:55.040] um I didn’t like his politics, but I [01:12:57.280] don’t question his faith. [01:12:58.640] >> Mhm. [01:12:59.040] >> And they said that he was briefed at one [01:13:00.960] time and became physically upset with [01:13:04.480] the information that he was given. Of [01:13:06.080] >> course he did. [01:13:06.719] >> Yeah. And but he had actually seen a UFO [01:13:08.640] is a documented thing. and and this [01:13:11.440] person that was briefing us gave the [01:13:14.239] date of that meeting and said and and [01:13:17.040] you know and he gave the receipts. He [01:13:19.440] said you can go to the the Carter [01:13:21.040] Library and he gave the date and said [01:13:24.000] and there was there was I think four [01:13:26.239] people in the meeting and they listed [01:13:28.239] three of them and one of them they [01:13:29.440] weren’t sure who it was so it was [01:13:31.679] probably you know CIA or something and [01:13:34.800] it and it upset him so much that he had [01:13:37.360] pretty much had to clear his calendar [01:13:38.719] for a while. [01:13:40.560] It’s [01:13:40.960] >> but what is that? You know I I mean I’m [01:13:44.480] and and the thing is everything that [01:13:46.000] I’ve all these rumors that you hear in [01:13:47.920] the movies and the in the books and the [01:13:50.880] magazines that I read growing up just [01:13:52.960] the wild crazy stuff. Some of that stuff [01:13:56.239] now I’m being briefed on and they’re [01:13:58.159] telling and people are telling me that [01:13:59.600] it is that this is actually has [01:14:01.440] occurred. [01:14:02.480] >> And that to me is is um I wonder is this [01:14:05.840] stuff being planted? Is it being pushed [01:14:07.600] out so that we gradually get a hold of [01:14:09.840] it? And um um [01:14:11.600] >> you you think there’s been a pressure a [01:14:14.000] pause that have been put on um the [01:14:17.360] process that the president started which [01:14:19.760] is releasing the videos and the pictures [01:14:22.320] and and human testimony and yeah [01:14:26.000] >> all the observations going back to [01:14:27.679] Apollo and even before 1940s. Um, so you [01:14:32.239] you and my buddy Jared Mosquitz [01:14:34.239] >> Well, I mean, if Donald Trump says, [01:14:35.840] >> “Yeah, [01:14:36.800] >> give me all this shit.” He’s getting it. [01:14:39.600] >> But the problem is, [01:14:40.320] >> can they keep it from him? [01:14:41.760] >> Absolutely. Because he doesn’t know the [01:14:43.440] questions to ask [01:14:44.640] >> and he doesn’t know where to look. It’s [01:14:46.239] that big. Jared Mos said, [01:14:48.080] >> formulate those questions. What? Can you [01:14:50.000] help him? [01:14:50.480] >> You’re dumb right I could. I would love [01:14:52.320] that opportunity cuz there’s a couple of [01:14:54.000] people I bring. One of them sitting [01:14:56.080] right here. Did I mean [01:14:57.520] >> Oh, he he’s into it, but I mean it’s a [01:14:59.520] big it’s a big issue. [01:15:00.640] >> He’s got a lot on his plate. [01:15:01.679] >> He’s got a lot on his plate. But Jared [01:15:03.280] Mosquitz, I asked him by way [01:15:05.360] >> we can take there’s a possibility here. [01:15:07.280] If you look at it on the positive side, [01:15:09.600] you know, we reverse engineer, we bring [01:15:12.960] in new technology and maybe just maybe [01:15:16.800] we take advance the human condition to a [01:15:20.239] level we never thought possible. One of [01:15:22.000] the conspiracies is this and I’m not and [01:15:24.000] I don’t and since I’ve seen the [01:15:25.600] arrogance of government at a federal [01:15:28.159] level I [01:15:31.120] that would get us zero point energy heat [01:15:35.280] our homes in the winter cool them in the [01:15:37.199] summer. [01:15:37.679] >> Mhm. [01:15:38.960] >> It put a lot of it put a lot of [01:15:40.560] infrastructure out of business and these [01:15:42.719] as I like to say the war pimps u they’d [01:15:45.360] have to go find another reason. kind of [01:15:46.880] like that that inventor that wrote that [01:15:49.280] book about, you know, if we somehow tap [01:15:51.440] into the gravitational pull, you have an [01:15:53.600] endless source of energy. [01:15:55.440] >> Um, [01:15:55.840] >> I’d be more concerned with the rogue [01:15:57.199] nations like uh like a nation like Iran [01:15:59.440] or North Korea having this type of [01:16:01.040] technology because as you said, there’s [01:16:02.960] a dual there’s a dual use here for every [01:16:05.600] advantage that we can see as you know, [01:16:07.760] humanity is concerned. I think there’s [01:16:10.320] also some fears because not everybody’s [01:16:13.199] going to be on the same agenda and some [01:16:14.880] people will want to turn that into some [01:16:16.320] sort of weaponization and that truly [01:16:18.560] could be very very scary for this [01:16:20.480] nation. [01:16:20.800] >> Yeah. But I think there’s an arrogance [01:16:22.480] in and that’s why I was kept saying [01:16:23.760] Moscowitz. He asked I asked him to come. [01:16:25.600] He’s a Democrat obviously. Um I’m pretty [01:16:29.040] close to him though and he asked a very [01:16:31.520] intelligent question. He said you know [01:16:33.520] it’s not the government’s in a statement [01:16:35.520] really. It’s not the government’s um [01:16:37.840] authority or position to decide what I [01:16:41.600] can handle and what I can’t handle. The [01:16:43.600] arrogance that’s associated with that [01:16:45.280] and you see it in the room [01:16:46.719] >> when I talk about the kid with the man [01:16:48.239] bun. I remember there was two military [01:16:50.719] officers and I think one was Air Force [01:16:52.800] and one could have been Navy or Army, [01:16:54.719] I’m not sure, but they had the you know [01:16:56.640] they had the all the insignas on their [01:16:59.600] on their uniforms and I could and I I I [01:17:03.199] read them. I have maybe the only gift I [01:17:05.280] have in my life is reading people [01:17:06.880] because I mean it took me six years to [01:17:08.560] get out of University of Tennessee. I [01:17:10.000] didn’t drink or smoke pot. It still my [01:17:11.840] dad was dean of student conduct. It took [01:17:13.440] me six years to get out. So maybe my [01:17:15.440] intelligence my brother and sister got [01:17:16.880] the good looks. [01:17:17.600] >> You had a pretty successful career. So [01:17:19.280] you’re doing pretty good. [01:17:19.920] >> I appreciate that. I appreciate that. [01:17:21.679] But um but but no, they um I w when I [01:17:25.760] walked into that room, I could see the [01:17:27.199] demeanor change and I saw that kid [01:17:29.760] basically sitting there telling us this [01:17:32.080] stuff and I could see those military [01:17:33.520] officers. I was reading them and they [01:17:36.159] were just like I cannot believe I’m this [01:17:39.760] kid is telling me is is is [01:17:44.000] speaking on behalf of us. I think they [01:17:46.320] knew something and wanted to talk and [01:17:49.360] this kid who Biden had put in was uh was [01:17:53.120] running the running the deal. What do [01:17:55.360] you think we’re going to ultimately find [01:17:56.960] here? I mean, I I get the sense that [01:17:59.520] we’re on the precipice of learning way [01:18:01.280] more than we may maybe way more than [01:18:03.920] people that don’t like either one of you [01:18:06.560] want us to know. What do you think? [01:18:08.320] We’re on the verge of discovery. [01:18:10.880] Well, I I think it’s we’re about to [01:18:12.640] satisfy one of the greatest questions of [01:18:14.800] our species has had for millennia. Are [01:18:17.440] we alone? And I I would I would [01:18:19.679] encourage people to just if you want to [01:18:21.040] know if there’s life in the universe, [01:18:22.320] you just have to look around this [01:18:23.520] planet. Life is pervasive. It’s [01:18:25.679] everywhere. And in fact, when I went to [01:18:27.840] school, I was told that all forms of [01:18:30.159] life ultimately derived its energy from [01:18:32.000] a process called photosynthesis. Now, we [01:18:33.760] now realize that’s not correct. You can [01:18:35.280] go to the bottom of the ocean to these [01:18:36.560] areas they call black smokers uh [01:18:38.400] thousands of feet below uh the surface [01:18:40.400] where light can’t reach and life thrives [01:18:43.360] off of a process called chemosynthesis. [01:18:45.520] Right? Then I was told that well all all [01:18:47.520] life forms uh require oxygen to survive. [01:18:50.560] Well turns out that’s not true either. [01:18:52.080] Right? So you have these things these [01:18:53.280] microorganisms called um anorobes like [01:18:56.960] clustrdium bachelinam bachulism which [01:18:59.440] will actually die in the presence of [01:19:00.800] oxygen. Right? So, uh, we’re always [01:19:02.960] reccalibrating what it means to be alive [01:19:05.280] and what it means to be potentially [01:19:08.320] human, what it means to be sentient, [01:19:10.080] perhaps even. Uh, it’s a far more [01:19:12.159] profound question that really once you [01:19:15.120] start going down this trail, you very [01:19:17.520] quickly wind up in a in an area that [01:19:19.679] some people are very uncomfortable with. [01:19:21.440] Uh, another case in point is that, you [01:19:23.360] know, we’re always told that there’s [01:19:24.239] this Goldilocks region where life has to [01:19:26.239] exist from a distance from a star and we [01:19:28.640] live in that Goldilocks. But the reality [01:19:30.320] is that we’re finding life now in places [01:19:32.960] we never even considered could exist. [01:19:35.440] So, for example, under a mile of [01:19:38.159] crushing ice in the Arctic and Antarctic [01:19:40.960] regions, we’re finding these these ice [01:19:42.560] worms that that are doing just fine. We [01:19:45.280] find micro [01:19:47.440] organisms and and life on the skin of [01:19:50.080] the Isis space station where there there [01:19:52.719] is no atmosphere and the radiation is [01:19:54.719] much more intense and yet it’s there. It [01:19:56.719] is, right? So we’re always having to [01:19:59.120] constantly re-evaluate what it means to [01:20:01.360] be alive and if the so when we do that [01:20:04.640] we have to ask ourselves and what does [01:20:06.239] it mean to be human and are we really [01:20:09.360] that unique or is it possible that maybe [01:20:13.360] what makes us human is not necessarily [01:20:15.760] you know a physical sense right [01:20:17.600] bilateral symmetry two arms two legs [01:20:19.440] well that’s not unusual that a lot of [01:20:21.040] animals share that with us especially [01:20:23.280] the the greater [01:20:24.560] >> greater apes um so what makes us human. [01:20:27.360] Well, is it the brain? Well, you know, [01:20:29.199] two and a half months ago, I got into a [01:20:30.800] near fatal collision, I suffered a TBI, [01:20:32.880] this is all true. Um, but I’m still, [01:20:35.600] even if I if I if I lose some of my [01:20:37.600] mental faculty, my intelligence, I’m [01:20:40.159] still who I am. I’m still Lou Alzando. [01:20:42.000] So, that’s not what defines me. So, then [01:20:44.320] we have to ask the more profound [01:20:45.679] question, is there something else [01:20:47.120] besides the physical and the mental self [01:20:49.760] that really defines us as being human? [01:20:51.679] Right? The spirit. Now other people call [01:20:53.920] it the soul, the id, the chi. You can [01:20:55.520] put whatever word you want in there. But [01:20:57.760] something that is indelible. [01:20:58.960] >> We are mind, body, spirit. [01:21:00.719] >> That’s right. And and [01:21:03.280] if that is the case, then is it possible [01:21:06.080] that that our creator [01:21:09.199] didn’t limit that just to us, right? [01:21:12.080] That there is something there is [01:21:13.600] something we there [01:21:14.560] >> as a Christian, I go back, we brought it [01:21:16.080] up twice already. I don’t see anything [01:21:19.040] that we’re discussing that is [01:21:20.480] incompatible with true biblical teaching [01:21:25.440] >> and neither does the Vatican and most [01:21:27.440] Americans have no idea that is the [01:21:30.000] perspective of the Vatican itself. They [01:21:32.239] said you cannot put limitations on the [01:21:33.920] dominion of God. In fact, back before [01:21:36.080] the 1600s, it was considered heretical [01:21:38.320] to put limitations on on what God the [01:21:41.360] idea of God, what God can and can’t do. [01:21:44.080] Um and you now have several popes in the [01:21:47.040] last you know few decades come out and [01:21:48.719] publicly say you know what it is quite [01:21:51.280] possible that uh we are going to come in [01:21:53.840] contact with other intelligent life and [01:21:56.560] that is you know part of God’s [01:21:58.800] >> again if we had anything to fear we’re [01:22:01.440] going back now my gosh we’ll be coming [01:22:03.920] up on a hundred years since we had some [01:22:06.000] knowledge or potential knowledge of all [01:22:08.000] this [01:22:08.400] >> maybe further back than that [01:22:10.719] >> maybe further back you can go back to [01:22:12.480] Germany and the Nuremberg in issue that [01:22:15.120] happened in the 1500 where they actually [01:22:17.520] made tapestries of what appeared to be a [01:22:19.920] UAP dog fight. You can go back to the go [01:22:22.080] to the Vatican. We just talked about [01:22:23.280] that. They have in their holdings these [01:22:26.080] scrolls between an ancient Roman soldier [01:22:29.440] and a general where they discuss um the [01:22:32.159] the word for Roman shield was eclipus. [01:22:34.639] So think of Ro eclipse, right? [01:22:38.320] um these flaming Roman shields in the [01:22:41.120] sky that would follow the Roman soldiers [01:22:43.840] from battlefield to battlefield. Right? [01:22:46.000] So it’s possible that this is nothing [01:22:48.960] this is not a new phenomenon for us. [01:22:50.719] This is just a realization now that hey [01:22:54.080] guess what we might be dealing with this [01:22:56.400] and have been dealing with this for some [01:22:57.920] time. [01:22:58.719] >> Yeah. I mean, I guess the biggest [01:23:02.239] surprise or my bewilderment is so what? [01:23:07.760] If we know it’s there. [01:23:08.960] >> That’s right. [01:23:09.600] >> And they’re not here to hurt us. If they [01:23:11.920] were, they would would have already [01:23:13.280] conquered us cuz they’re so far more [01:23:15.520] advanced. Let me go back to the releases [01:23:18.960] that people are now seeing for the first [01:23:21.120] time and defying again the laws of [01:23:25.280] physics as we currently know it. Um, and [01:23:28.800] then the possibility of maybe turning [01:23:30.960] that, reverse engineering that into [01:23:33.840] something that advances the human [01:23:35.360] condition. So, if we’re seeing all of [01:23:38.080] this, is there any chance you think that [01:23:41.760] the government is pulling a hoax on us? [01:23:45.520] >> I don’t think so either. [01:23:46.639] >> No, I can tell you sophisticated [01:23:48.320] >> the collection systems that we we’ve [01:23:49.840] personally had our hands on. I mean, [01:23:51.040] this you would have to have a conspiracy [01:23:53.040] that was was so elaborate and so [01:23:55.520] expensive it would bankrupt this country [01:23:57.120] because you’re talking about actual [01:24:00.000] tapes coming off of collection systems [01:24:02.239] that are then going directly to analysts [01:24:05.120] to review. Um, and you’re talking about [01:24:08.880] literally thousands upon thousands of [01:24:11.440] government officials who have been [01:24:13.440] eyewitness to these things. They all [01:24:15.840] have to be on this conspiracy too to [01:24:17.520] include all of ATIP, all of all of OAP [01:24:20.800] before that to include all of all the [01:24:23.600] organizations now that are looking at [01:24:25.120] >> I think they’ve tried to discredit [01:24:26.239] people in Grush they they said he had, [01:24:29.040] you know, he had PTSD and had an issue [01:24:31.360] and some [01:24:33.280] small town weekly newspaper. [01:24:36.480] Um [01:24:36.880] >> yeah, they leaked his medical files. [01:24:38.239] >> They leaked his medical files, which of [01:24:40.000] course is just a complete violation of [01:24:42.159] everything. You know, and then they [01:24:43.920] tried and this this tells you [01:24:45.199] Washington. Then they tried to badmouth [01:24:46.880] him. You know, he’s got PTSD. You know, [01:24:48.960] in Tennessee, [01:24:50.159] >> we celebrate our veterans. PTSD and we [01:24:53.840] love him. My daddy to the day he died, [01:24:56.719] you couldn’t wake him up over the top of [01:24:58.239] him. Always had to wake him up by his [01:24:59.520] big toe cuz he might wake up on one of [01:25:01.040] those dad gum islands. [01:25:02.880] >> Never talk about four years in the war. [01:25:04.800] Ever. Never touched it. Yeah. [01:25:07.040] >> Um, is there anything the people [01:25:09.600] watching that want [01:25:13.199] that want transparency can do to help [01:25:16.320] you? Like when I talk to President [01:25:18.159] Trump, when I get a minute on a personal [01:25:20.560] level, kind of busy a whole lot. Um, [01:25:24.159] >> but I will ask him, you know, what are [01:25:26.560] we waiting for? [01:25:28.239] >> I just think, [01:25:29.679] >> yeah, I had that discussion last week. [01:25:31.920] Um. [01:25:32.320] >> Mhm. [01:25:33.040] >> And we’re trying to arrange a lunch just [01:25:35.440] to ask to let him know maybe some spots [01:25:38.239] to look and some people to to poke [01:25:40.800] because I I as he doesn’t know the [01:25:43.440] questions to ask and I think he’s [01:25:45.040] fascinated with it. You know, when I [01:25:46.719] talked to him um I I I don’t sleep much [01:25:50.560] either. It was about 5:45 on the morning [01:25:52.480] of the of the um State of the Union. [01:25:54.880] >> Yeah. [01:25:55.199] >> And I thought I’m going to call the [01:25:56.639] president, tell him I’m praying for him. [01:25:58.080] It’s a big day and it was a wonderful [01:26:00.000] speech. M [01:26:01.040] >> um but he uh he laid out some great [01:26:04.239] things and some great things about this [01:26:06.560] country and I it was a 14-minute [01:26:08.560] conversation and I said um I talked to [01:26:10.800] him about that and he said Tim I’m going [01:26:12.960] to release them and you know he kept his [01:26:14.960] word to me personally that he was going [01:26:16.880] to do it to me that [01:26:18.800] >> hold back now they’re trying to hold [01:26:20.480] whatever [01:26:21.280] >> they are and I think they’re within [01:26:23.120] those departments and I think there’s [01:26:24.560] some bad people [01:26:26.159] >> when you come back and tell us that’s [01:26:28.560] what I couldn’t talk Uh um that’s what [01:26:31.840] keeps me up at night. [01:26:33.120] >> Yeah, I sure will. I sure will. I hope [01:26:35.679] that they release it all. Look, [01:26:38.000] >> I don’t have a lot I don’t have a lot of [01:26:39.600] confidence they will. I think they’re [01:26:41.120] going to They’ve run out the clock every [01:26:42.560] time. They’ve they have trash you. They [01:26:44.639] >> We got two and a half years of Trump. [01:26:46.320] >> Yeah, I you know, [01:26:48.159] >> I hope the bear [01:26:49.280] >> I I’ll go a step further, too, regarding [01:26:51.440] Trump. You know, a lot of people will [01:26:53.280] will consider him a bull in a china [01:26:54.719] shop. I think he’s a grenade in the [01:26:56.480] punch bowl. I think he is not afraid to [01:26:58.400] make a decision [01:26:59.679] >> and he has delivered on this promise. Um [01:27:02.639] again anybody whether you love the guy [01:27:04.560] or hate the guy [01:27:05.760] >> let us take a look and decide ourselves. [01:27:07.679] >> Absolutely. Let the people decide. Don’t [01:27:09.679] make that decision on behalf of the of [01:27:11.520] the people. We we forget that ultimately [01:27:14.239] at the end of the day it is government [01:27:16.000] who serves the will of the people not [01:27:17.600] the other way around. And I think [01:27:19.280] somewhere we’ve we’ve as a society we’ve [01:27:21.360] tend to forget that sometimes. Um, but I [01:27:26.000] think you’re beginning to see, [01:27:27.199] especially with this president, he’s [01:27:29.679] fearless, man. This guy is willing to to [01:27:32.639] >> fight, fight, fight, [01:27:33.920] >> do what needs to be done. And on this [01:27:36.080] topic, [01:27:37.360] >> um, I’ll share just a very quick [01:27:38.960] anecdote with you. When I was at the [01:27:40.080] Pentagon, we were trying to brief the [01:27:41.520] secretary uh, Jim Mattis at the time [01:27:43.679] >> on this uh, because a lot of his money [01:27:45.360] was being used uh, for for studying UAP. [01:27:48.480] where we’re getting emails over [01:27:49.920] classified networks all the time saying, [01:27:51.360] “Hey, Lou, I got these things all over [01:27:53.360] my ship. I can’t people I can’t keep [01:27:54.960] people below deck forever and hide them. [01:27:56.880] What do you want me to do?” Right? So, [01:27:58.000] it was getting desperate. It’s a [01:27:58.960] desperate situation. And um the minders [01:28:01.760] that he had up in the secretary suite up [01:28:03.920] there, very wonderful people, all [01:28:05.440] patriots, but they refused to brief the [01:28:08.480] boss. [01:28:09.360] >> Time and time again, I kept saying, [01:28:10.800] “Guys, time is not on your side here. We [01:28:13.199] have to tell the boss.” And later I [01:28:15.199] found out one of the concerns was well [01:28:17.440] if you brief the Secretary Mattis, which [01:28:19.760] by the way I served in in Afghanistan [01:28:21.360] with in 2001, right? This is a man who [01:28:24.159] wants more information, not less. If you [01:28:26.560] keep if you brief him on this, the the [01:28:28.400] concern was if he was ever asked by the [01:28:30.719] media, have you been briefed on the [01:28:32.480] topic of UFOs? He’d have to say yes. And [01:28:34.719] they were they were trying to insulate [01:28:36.960] him and protect him, which I can [01:28:38.880] understand and I can appreciate that, [01:28:40.960] but this is not a topic to do that with. [01:28:43.199] Last question. [01:28:44.800] >> Well, you asked what we could do, what [01:28:46.639] people could do, and I want to address [01:28:48.159] that. [01:28:48.880] >> Call your congressman literally and say, [01:28:51.199] “I want disclosure on the UFO UAP [01:28:53.520] issue.” Total disclosure. And and and [01:28:58.159] then put it out on the internet. Do you [01:29:00.480] both believe the deaths that we keep [01:29:02.880] reading about of these people, [01:29:05.440] scientific community, all of that is [01:29:08.480] directly connected to this? [01:29:11.920] Um, not all but there are some very [01:29:14.800] interesting [01:29:16.480] uh correlations. If you look at for [01:29:18.400] example uh General McCasland who was uh [01:29:21.760] during the Wikileaks it was it was [01:29:23.600] publicly known that he was advising [01:29:25.280] certain people on the UAP topic. Uh he [01:29:27.760] was uh charge of AFRL, Air Force [01:29:30.560] Research Laboratory. [01:29:31.440] >> How did they kill him? I mean, [01:29:33.120] >> well, you know, I’m not saying he Let me [01:29:34.800] further. I’m not saying he was killed. [01:29:36.159] What I’m saying is that there’s some [01:29:37.280] very interesting suspicious things that [01:29:39.120] need to be looked at. [01:29:39.679] >> You think it’s suspicious? [01:29:40.719] >> I think they’re sending a message. I [01:29:42.480] think I’ve given you this example and I [01:29:45.440] I regretted saying it, but I’ve said it [01:29:47.040] so many times I want to give it again. [01:29:48.960] Say you and your family own a really [01:29:50.800] nice restaurant and you’re you’re [01:29:53.520] probably mobbed up and you got a and [01:29:56.560] it’s it’s franchising. You’re putting [01:29:58.320] out the books. Your head chef is the [01:30:00.080] man. He’s on the TV shows, [01:30:01.920] >> right? [01:30:02.560] >> And then um uh but you’re afraid he’s [01:30:05.360] going to go work for somebody else or [01:30:07.600] he’s going to give your information to [01:30:09.440] another rival cook or rival um [01:30:12.800] restaurant chain or whatever. Well, [01:30:14.320] you’re not going to bump him off. you’re [01:30:16.560] going to bump off or you’re going to [01:30:17.760] rough up maybe a bus boy or something. [01:30:19.679] Just send a message. And uh and I think [01:30:22.560] they’re sending messages. [01:30:24.159] >> I’m going to make a prediction. You’re [01:30:26.239] both going to come back on this show and [01:30:28.719] I think the president will act in ways [01:30:30.880] that hopefully uh satisfy the the the [01:30:35.679] legitimate questions the country has one [01:30:38.400] way or the other and we could [01:30:40.000] definitively know. [01:30:41.520] >> So [01:30:41.920] >> Sean, can I add one thing here? One one [01:30:43.920] alibi, please. I I think if we also want [01:30:45.920] to not just have the truth but make this [01:30:47.679] right. There’s a lot of people who’ve [01:30:49.199] suffered, a lot of people that have [01:30:50.960] spoken to the congressman in confidence [01:30:53.120] who’ve lost their jobs or had to either [01:30:55.760] been fired or had to leave to have this [01:30:58.239] conversation. [01:30:58.800] >> Some guy passed away that was going to [01:31:00.560] >> That’s right. That’s right. That’s [01:31:02.480] right. I mean, we can talk about Mr. [01:31:05.040] Sullivan if we need to. Um, you know, [01:31:07.679] that literally a day or two before he [01:31:09.199] was going to go into Congress and talk [01:31:10.560] about what he knew, he was part of the [01:31:12.320] the legacy effort. My point is that I [01:31:14.960] think if you we wanted to make this [01:31:16.400] right, give these people their damn job [01:31:18.239] back. I mean, they they went out of [01:31:20.639] their way to do the right thing. So now [01:31:23.120] people can get the information that [01:31:24.800] they’ve deserved for decades and we’re [01:31:27.040] just letting them flap in the wind. [01:31:28.480] >> We used to celebrate heroic behavior in [01:31:30.719] this country. Now we’re penalizing it. [01:31:32.719] >> Now we’re a bunch of punks with man buns [01:31:35.040] telling military officers. [01:31:36.480] >> You’re obsessed with the man bun. [01:31:37.840] >> Yeah, I’d stomp him out if I caught him [01:31:39.440] in the parking lot. Christian love and [01:31:41.280] sympathy, of course. as a merchant. [01:31:44.080] Thank you. It’s [01:31:44.639] >> been a pleasure, sir, [01:31:45.360] >> sir. My honor, my honor and privilege is [01:31:47.199] home. [01:31:47.440] >> Appreciate you, man. [01:31:48.320] >> Thank you. What you do? [01:31:49.199] >> He’s the real deal. [01:31:50.560] >> Thank you guys so much for watching [01:31:52.080] today’s episode, hanging out with me, [01:31:53.760] Sean Hannity. If you enjoyed this [01:31:55.840] conversation, be sure to like this [01:31:57.760] video, subscribe to the channel so you [01:31:59.760] never ever ever miss an episode. Uh [01:32:02.320] we’ve got a lot more great, I mean [01:32:04.400] really great content coming your way. 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“UFO Whistleblower: The Files They Never Released” — Tim Burchett + Lue Elizondo on Hannity (30 Jun 2026)

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