Primary for leir-alien-implant-surgeon. His own account of the implant surgeries and his headline “anomaly” claims: a cut/crush-resistant “grayish, shiny biological membrane” around the objects; “absolutely no inflammatory response whatsoever — this is impossible”; tissue full of “proprioceptors” (nerve cells); analysis at Los Alamos / New Mexico Tech / UCSD. Note: he acknowledges a prosaic possibility for one patient (“he’s a construction worker, I would imagine it’s [debris]”) before concluding alien.
NOTE: Whisper auto-transcript (“Dr. Lear”=Leir; he is a DPM/podiatrist, often mislabeled “M.D.”). Verify quotes against audio.
Okay, welcome back. And I, how do I, you know, announce our next speaker, Dr. Roger Lear. What a real sweetheart this man is. I first met the lovely Dr. Roger Lear back in 1999 at the Leeds UFO Conference in England, where Dr. Lear has always given a very interesting and outstanding presentation on his findings of alien implants. Since then, Dr. Lear and myself have remained friends for the last several years. And actually, he’s appeared twice on my TV show, Let’s Talk Paranormal, with the first show being of alien implants,
which actually won us an award back in 2003. And most recently, his second appearance discussing the now-famed Varginha UFO crash in Brazil. Dr. Lear is a pediatrician, surgeon, who has been in private practice for the last 41 years in Ventura, County of California, and is the author of Aliens and the Scalpel, as well as a number of other books, and has been said to be one of the world’s most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of ufology. He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged alien
abductees. This resulted in the removal of 10 separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants. These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious laboratories in the world, such as Los Alamos National Laboratories, New Mexico Tech, and the University of California in San Diego. Their findings have been baffling, and some comparisons have been made to meteorite samples. In addition, some of the tests show isotopic ratios not of this world. He has recently formed a new nonprofit organization
for this purpose called A&S Research. Dr. Lear has been on numerous national and international television programs, including the 1999 NBC special broadcast of Confirmation. Dr. Lear has visited 42 different countries, performing lectures and investigations, and has recently authored and released his newest book, UFO Crash in Brazil, which is the story of his personal investigation of the Varginha, Brazil UFO crash of 1996. Appearance and medical treatment of several non-terrestrial entities. He’s a frequent guest on Coast to Coast with
Art Bell, which I know you all know, and George Noory, and on Dreamland, also with Whitley Strieber. So, please welcome our very dear friend and the man that knows more about alien
implants than anyone, well, certainly on this planet, Dr. Roger Lear. Thank you, Tracy. I don’t know how I will ever live up to that introduction. I want to thank, first of all, MUFON in general, who, which is one of the greatest organizations in the world. And I’ve belonged medically through the years to several organizations. I’ve been in practice, private practice now for 41 years. And I can honestly say that nothing like this in medicine exists. You know, when I talk to medical audiences about medical subjects, it’s pretty dry. Most of
the guys are sleeping or, you know, are thinking about doing their crossword puzzle or something else. Anyway, I think that we all appreciate your support. And that’s what this organization needs, is a lot of support. And I thank John Schussler, who has just done a magnificent job since he’s
taken over the organization. These conferences just get better and better and better and better. Today, I had the privilege of listening to Phyllis Budinger. And people of her caliber are needed in this organization because she is a true scientist. And also, she went over a lot of material in detail. How many saw her this morning? Quite a few. Good, good for you. So I want to thank her again because since she’s already explained a lot of this scientific detail, you see, I don’t have
to cover it. Now, before we get into the business of business, Tracy mentioned the fact that I’m out with my new book, UFO Crash in Brazil, the story of the 1996 Virginia case. It’s got a lot of stuff in it, and I did a personal investigation. I spent over a week there, talked with numerous researchers, interviewed a number of witnesses, and some witnesses came forth that weren’t available ever before. One was an orthopedic surgeon who was forced by the military to perform a surgery
on one of these non-terrestrial beings. Another one was the wife of a deceased military police officer who, at 23 years of age, young, healthy, in the prime of his life, Marco Eli Cherez, died three weeks after exposure to one of these entities. So I just mention that in passing because, you know, why don’t they land on the White House lawn? You know, why don’t they come out and shake hands with you? Well, has anyone ever considered the fact that maybe if they did
that, they’d wipe out the human race because maybe they carry microorganisms that might be injurious to our entire planet. So there may be logical reasons for the things that we happen. But I’m going to go into a lot of science today. Also, I have, if you haven’t seen it, a DVD and a video, a scientific study of alien implants. We won an EBE award for this as the best documentary in a UFO field. And I think that it’s very complete and it offers you interviews with the surgical patients,
which now number 11. We have increased from nine. We have two more surgical cases to do, one with an object in her neck and one in the maxillary area. And we have another individual who has an object in their foot. The problem is M-O-N-E-Y. ANS research is now down to less than 300.Weneedfundstoprogress.ThelatestresearchthatI′vedonehasbeenonsomenon−surgicalspecimens.Onewassubmittedtomebythisgroup,InternationalMufon,andweputitthroughitspaces.Itwasveryexpensive.AndI′mgoingtofinishupmyremarksbytellingyouindetailwhatwedidandwhatwecameupwith.Now,Iseealotofdifferentkindsofpatientsinmyoffice.Ihadaladycameintheotherday,83yearsold.Andshesaid,Doc,Irealizethatyou′reafootsurgeon,butIhavesomethingIhavetodiscusswithyou.AndIsaid,well,ifIcanhelpyou,I′llcertainlylistentowhatyouhavetosay.Shesays,it′smyhusband.AndIwaswonderingwhat′scomingnext.Somaybehe′sgotanimplantorsomething.Andshesaid,no,hismemoryisreallybad.Sohowoldishe?Oh,he′s87.SoIsaid,youknow,87yearsofage,youcanexpectaslightdeteriorationofthememory.Shesays,well,he′sjustgettingterrible.Imean,he′sgettingimpossibletolivewith.AndIsaid,well,youknow,really,that′snotmyfield.Youknow,maybeyoushouldconsultaneurologistorapsychiatristandsoon.ButoneofthethingsthatIcanofferisthatmaybehecouldwritethingsdownandthatmighthelphismemory.Shesays,OK,I′lltrythat.Sosheleftandshecamebackthefollowingweekandshesaidtome,youknow,Itrieddoingwhatyousaid.WewerehomeonenightandwewerewatchingTV.AndIsaid,honey,wouldyougoouttothekitchenandgetmealittlebitofadishoficecreamwithsomechocolatesyruponit?Andhesays,sure.Now,shesays,youknow,Dr.Leartoldmemaybeyoushouldwriteitdown.Honey,hesays,it′sonlytwothings.HowcanIforget?Soafewminutesgoesbyandouthecomeswithaplateandhehandshertheplateandit′stheplateofscrambledeggs.Andshesays,youseewhatImean,Doc?Heforgottobringmethetoast.Sogoeslife.Anyway,Irealizedthatit′safterlunchandthisisjusttheperfectkindoftimetoseewhatI′vegottoshowyou.Sointheseatinfrontofyou,intheback,you′llfindalittlebag.Andifyoushouldbebotheredbyanyofthis,youknowwhattodowiththebag.Otherwise,justshutyoureyes.I′mgoingtoI′mgoingtoshowyoualittle11minutevideo.Soyouknowhowitisaftereatingyourstomachfullandyourbraindrainedofblood.Youcanwatchthevideointhedarkandappreciateit.Solet′sgoaheadandrollthatlittlevideo.Iwasskiingwithsomefriends.Itookafall.TheytookanX−ray.Andtherewasastrangeobjectnexttomythumb.Whyme?I′mnotaparticularlyextraordinaryperson.WhywouldIbetagged?IhadthisfeelinglikeIwasawildanimalorapieceofcattle.Idon′tknowhowit′sinfluencingmylife,mythoughts,myhealth.Idon′twantthatthinginme.IfIdidn′tgivethempermissiontoputitin.Theobjectappearstobeinthethumbanditshouldbearelativelysimpleproceduretogoin,isolateitandremoveit.Paulisaninterestingcase.Wetookaphysicalexaminationofhishandandarm.Welookedforthetelltalemarksoftheportalofentry.Wedidn′tseeany.AmIanxious?AmIafraid?SureIam.WillIberelievedifit′snotalien?Youbet.Whentheobjectwasremovedandwelookedatit,youdon′treallyfindthingsinthebodythatarewrappedwiththisverytightsortofgrayish,veryshinybiologicalmembrane.Andthentryandtakeasurgicalbladeandcutthroughitwithaknifeandcan′tcutit.Itlookslikeitmightbeanironoxide.Ifwecancrushitandgetittoverysmallsize,we′llbeabletoreallygettotheinternalstructuremorereadily.Theobjectresistedcrushing,butanoutsidelayerdidflakeoff.Thiswasputunderx−raydiffractionandtheresultsofthetestwerecurious.Theycouldn′tmatchittoanyofthe65,000knownsubstancesintheircomputerfile.It′snotinourfile.I′mnotsurewhattothinkaboutthatatthepresenttime.That′sasmanyknownsubstancesthatwehaveontheplanetaspossible.Thecombinationoftheseelementscouldbeputtogetherbynature,theycouldhavebeenputtogetherbyman,ortheycouldbeputtogetherwithadifferenttypeofphysicsthatwehavelittleknowledgeof.Ihadthisexperienceofemptiness,sortoflikeafeelinglikemaybeapethaddied.I′mnotsurehowtoexplainitotherthanthissenseofsomethingmissing.IamapodiatricsurgeonandI′mexploringsomethingnew,whichisthealienabductionphenomenainrelationspecificallytophysicalevidence.Basically,whatwehaveissomeonewhoallegesalienabductionwithanobjectontheirbody,andthenyoutakethisobjectout.HereIstartasaconsummatescientificskepticsayingthisisnothingbutabunchofnonsense,andnowIhaveareportinmyhandthatsaystheycontainobjectsfromanotherworld.IwascominghomefromamedicalcheckupinDenverwithmywife.Isawthissphericalshape,lights,manylights,anditwaslarge.Itcamerightinfrontofourcar.WhenwedidencountertheUFOandspotteditandtheeventsofthenightstartedtohappen,itwasanawesomerealizationtometorealizethatwewerenotaloneintheuniverse.ItwassomethingnotofthisworldthatI′veseen.Idofeelthatthisimplantwasfromthatfirstencounter.There′snodoubtinmymind.Okay,gettingclose.Isitaboyoragirl?Well,wedon′tknowyet.Hereitis,here.Solet′sputapieceofwhitegauze.Ithinkthisisit,sowe′regoingtox−raytomakesure.I′mobjectiveandIdon′treallyknowthatthisisdifferent.Ireallyhavetohaveitanalyzed,though.Youdon′tknowwhatitis.He′saconstructionworker.Iwouldimagineit′sprobablysomeconstructionparticlethatflewandhithim.Wedidn′thardlyfeel.Wejustfounditbycoincidenceandtookitout.That′swhatIthinkitis.Theobjectthatweremovedtodaycontainsorissurroundedbythesametypeofmembranethatwehaveseenintheotherobjects.Ihaveneverseenanythinglikethemembranewhichsurroundstheseobjects.It′saverywell−organized,shiny,darkmembranewhichfitsverytightlyontotheobject.We′vealsohadanalysisofthisandithassimpleingredientsinit,butyoudonotfindthoseingredientsincombinationanywhereinanymedicalpathologybook.Theshocksbegantocontinueandespeciallywhenwegotthefirstpathologyreportsbackonthetissue,notthetissuethatwrappedsotightlythemetalwithin,butthetissuethatweremoved,justthetissuearoundtheobjectwhereitwassittingnicelyforsomanyyears.Wefoundthattherewasabsolutelynoinflammatoryresponsewhatsoeverandthisisimpossible.Thenextthingthatwefoundwastherewereareasinthistissuesurroundingtheseobjectswithlargeamountsofproprioceptorswhichareverysmall,tiny,specializednervecellsandyoudon′tfindthemthere.Theseobjectsaremostlyalllocatednearthebone.Thisisnottheplacewhereyouhaveproprioception.Andthenthenextsetoffindingsthatcameinwerethemetallurgicalfindings.GettingareportbackfromalaboratorysuchasLosAlamosNationalLabs,aworld−famouslaboratory,tellingmetheobjectstheylookedatweremeteoritesamples.Thenwhenwewentonevenfurtherandfoundthingslikeamorphousironwithoutcrystallinestructurethatwasmagneticandthenfindingratios,isotopicratiosformetalsthatarenotfromthisearth,thenwhatconclusionareyougoingtocometo?Sincethetimewhenwestarted,wenowhaveatotaloftensurgeriesthathavebeenperformed.Wehavelet′ssaythreethathaveproducedtheselittlegrayishwhiteballsthatarenon−metallic.Wehavefourthatarelittlecantaloupeseedshapedaffairs.WehaveanotherlittlemetallicobjectwhichisT−shapedcoveredwiththismembrane.Wehaveonethat′striangularcoveredwithamembrane.Nowwehaveanewcategorywhichistotallybiological.Nowthisobjectwasmostunusualinthesensethatitmovedunderneaththeskinbeforeitwasremoved.Iwasatmyboyfriend′shouse.Wewerewokenbyavery,verybrightlight.Thewholeroomjustlitupandtherewasasphereintheairslowlycomingdowninhisbackyard.Whowouldreallybelieveit?NotevenmybestfrienddidItell.WhowouldItell?Ijustwouldn′ttellthattoanyone.It′stoocrazy.MyfirstreactionwhenIsawitliveinthepatient′sarmwasshock.I′veneverseenanythinglikethisinover37yearsworthofpractice.Itmovedbackandforthandupanddown.Youcouldjustdoanythingtoit.ItseemedprettyoddalongwiththestoryofthethingthathadhappenedtomeandIjustthought,I′llgoahead.Itjustappearedovernight.Therewasnolittlethingthatwasgrowinganditjustseemedtoappearoneday.Idothinkthisisrelatedtotheexperienceofwhathappenedtome.ItriedtotrapthisthingwithafingerafterIsawitmovethefirsttime.ThenasIhelditthere,Itoucheditagainandinsteadofmovingbackinthedirectionthatitcamefrom,itmoved90degreesinanotherdirection.Whenthedoctorwastryingtoremoveit,hesaid,thisisridiculous.Hesaideverytimehewastryingtosnipanddothings,hewassayingthisisjustreally,really,reallyoddthatI′mhavingsuchahardtimewithactuallygettingthisoutofthere.Almostlikeitdidnotwanttoleavemybody.Itdidtrytomoveoutofthewayandhehadtouseacoupleoffingersinordertosortofcorneritinonespot.Onceitwascorneredinonespot,thesurgeonreallyreachedinandtookitout.Thisobjecthasaverysmoothexterioranditsbivalve,likeaclam,opensfromthemiddleandhasalittledarklineoneachsideofthisupperendoftheobject.Thesurfaceofitwasphotographedunderhighmagnificationusingamicroscopecalledtheatomicforcemicroscopeandverypowerfullightmicroscopesgivingussomeideaofthesurfacestructureoftheobject.Later,weintendtogoaheadandbegintostudywhatchemicallymakesuptheobjectandfinallywhatelementsmakeuptheobjectandthenofcoursetryanddetermineiftheseelementshavethingslikeisotopicratiosthatarenotearthly.Inmyheart,Iknowthishappened.Iknowitwasnotadream.Iknowitwasdefinitelyreal.ItwasdefinitelyrealandIthinkitwouldjustbearelieftomeifIcoulddiscussitandnotfeelembarrassed.Thislastcase,thisistheonlyoneI′veeverseenthatmovesunderneaththeskinuntilquiterecentlywhenIwasjustpresentedwithanothercase.DearDr.Lear,likemanyabductees,I′vehadexperiencesallmylifeandsohavemyparents.Severalyearsagoafteranabduction,Iwokeupwithamovinglumpinmyleftarm.Ineverthoughtanythingofituntilnow.Thankyou.Ihopeyouenjoyedthat.Imightsayyou′rethefirstaudiencethat′severseenthislittleshortvideo.Thankyou.Now,oneofthethings,thingsthatIdoandthingsthatIdon′tdo,Idon′tdowhatBudHopkinsdoes.Idon′tdowhatDavidJacobsdoes.Idon′tdowhatthelateJohnMackdoes.Thoseareveryfine,reputableindividuals,thebestintheworldforactuallystudyingtheabductioncasesthemselves.WhereIcomeiniswhatphysicalevidenceisinvolved,eithermedicalevidenceorimplantevidence.Wetrytosubjectthattothemostscientificparadigmthatthereis.Oneofthethingsthatisverydifficultinmyneckofthewoodsistofindsomebodyofthecaliberoftheseotherindividualswhocanworkwithabducteesandtryandhelpthem.So,Icameupwiththeideaofreally,trulytryingtoattempttobuildfromthegroundup,includingtheproperty,aWestCoastCenterforAbductionResearch.It′sabigproposition.Itcostsalotofmoneybecausewewanttobuytheproperty,thebuilding,haveourownstaff.Somethingswe′lldoin−house,somethingswe′llsendout.Butitwillbeaplacewhereanybodycangoandstudy.Wecanstudythisphenomenonthewayitshouldbestudied.Notalotofpeopletryingtodolittlebitshereandthere,averycomprehensivething.But,asImentionedbefore,ittakesagoodsumofmoneytodoanyofthesethings.So,youmightthinkI′mtotallynuts,butI′vethoughtofapossiblewaytoraisethemoney.SinceIcomefromtheHollywoodmotionpicturecapital,andyoudon′tknowthisI′msure,butIdidspendsomeofmyearlylifeworkinginthemotionpictureindustry,Iamattemptingtomakeafull−fledgedlarge−screenmotionpicture.Notasadocumentary,butasanentertainmentpiecebasedonallthehappeningsinthisfield,anddoingitquiteinanaccuratemanner.Andtheideaforthisis,ifwecangetthisthingmadeandsold,itwillsupplythemoneytodotheabductionresearchcenter.We′reworking,atthemoment,onathree−minuteteaser.TheCGIeffecthasalreadybeendone.It′sbeendonebyanartist,afriendofmine,whoworkedonalotoftheStarTrekmaterialandX−Files.HisnameisSteveNeal.Andwe′reshootingthiswiththesamecamerathatLucasuses,whichisaSony900high−defcamera.Sothisisgoingtobestate−of−the−artMadisonAvenue.Andonceit′sdone,keepyourfingerscrossed,andmaybewecanfindthemoneytomakethefilm.ButIthoughtyououghttoknow.Now,we′regoingtogetdowntothenitty−grittyofthebusiness.I′mgoingtotryandcoveralotofmaterialinthetimewehaveleft.Ihaveawholebunchofslides.I′mnotgoingtospendalotoftimeonthem.SomeofthemarejustgoingtokindofwhizonbyasImakecomments.Now,firstofall,theGaryLowerycase.Youallknowaboutthatcase,what′snew,what′sgoingon,andsoon.Hasitstopped?Well,interestinglyenough,aboutsixmonthsago,IgotacallfromGary,andhesaid,youknow,somethingwonderfulhappened.Isaid,what′sthat?Hesaid,alltheactivityhasstopped.AndIsaid,well,Gary,youknow,Itoldyouthathistoricallyintheabductionphenomenon,itjustdoesnotgoonforever.Well,thatlastedforabouttwomonths,andthenhecalledmeagain,andhesays,youcan′tbelievewhathappenedtomelastnight,andawaywego.Sohe′sgotmoremarks,morephysicalevidence.Hecollectsstuffinjarsandbottlesandpreservativesandsoon.Andwe′re,youknow,asIsaid,wehavemorethingstoanalyze,magneticeffectsandsoon.Solet′sstartwiththeslides.Next.Howwouldyouliketoseethatinyourbedroom?Iwould.Thisisanimagethatistakenoffofavideotapeusinganinfraredsensor,andeachframeofvideorunsat30framespersecond.Butatthesametoken,eachframeiscomposedoftwofields.SoGarywentoutandgotwhat′scalledafieldsplitter,andwewereabletoseethreeorfourframesthathadtheseimagesonit,andthisisoneofthefields.Next.Andremember,you′relookingatthiswithinfrared,soitdoesnotlookthesameasifyouwerelookingatitwithroomlight.Thiscomesthroughthewallintheclosetofhisbedroom.Next.Thisistheinfamousclawsamplethatweworkedandworkedandworkedon,andafteritwasseenbyanumberofpeopleanddetermineditwasaclaw,wefinallygotdowntodoingtheDNA.Next.Anotherviewofthesameobject.Next.ThesearesomeofthethingsthatGaryhasdrawnpost−hypnotically.Hecomesoutofthehypnoticsession,andhe′sabletohaveaprettygoodrecallofsomeofthethingsthathe′sseenduringhisabductioncase.Next.Again,thesearedevices,andhedoesn′tknowwhatthey′reusedfor,buthedrawstheminquitedetail.Hedoesn′thaveaclue,butthesearethingsthathe′sseenaboardship.Next.Herearesomeofthereportsthatwehave,andthey′rereportstomecomingfromvariousplacesastoeverythingthathastodowiththeprogressofscanningandDNAandsoon.We′rejustgoingtosailbythese.Next.Here′sanotherone.ThisisfromascientistattheSanDiegoZoowhowasaprimatezoologist.Shespenthoursandhoursandhours.Shethoughtitwasaclaw,andshecouldn′tidentifyit,asitsayshereintheletter.Idon′thavetoreaditforyou.Ithinkyoucanreaditquitewell.Canyouseeitokay?Anybodycan′tseeit?Iguessyoucanallseeit.Okay,next.HerearemorereportsthathavetodowiththebeginningoftheDNAanalysisastheycomein.Next.Thisisalittlebithardtosee,butit′saDNAgel.I′lljustshowyouthisasanexample.Duringtheprocessofdiscoveringwhatthisis,thisisjustpartoftheDNAanalyticalprocess.Next.Now,amongstGary′sartifactswasawatch.Idon′tknowifI′vetoldyouaboutthisbefore,andifIhave,amIrepeatingit?Forgiveme.Oneofthethingshehadwasawatchwithaleatherband.Hekeptitonhisdresseratnight.Hewokeuponemorning,andthewatchwasgone.Heaskedhiswifeandhiskids,andnobodyfesseduptotakinghiswatch.Twoweekslater,hefoundthewatchjustexactlyinthesameplacewhereheleftitoriginally,exceptthewholewatchwascoveredwiththisgraypowder.Wetookitin,andwedidanEDXonit.Thisshowsthemineralsthatareinthepowder,andit′sindicatedbythenumbers—theletters,rather,above.Thisisoxygen,silicone,andsoon.Now,wedothis,andthenwesubmitthisintoacomputerdatabaseforpowders.Now,lookhere.Youcanseethiscarbonpeakisjustabsolutelyhuge,soit′smostlycarbon.Wesubmitthisintoacomputerdatabase,andit′sgothundredsofthousandsofdifferentcomponentsandpowdersandsoon.Guesswhat?Itmatchesnothing.Youtryanddothisresearch,andyoudiscoverdifferentthings,butyoudon′talwayshavetheanswers.Next.Next.Now,maybewecanlightenthatupabitonthescreen.Garycalledmeuponeday,andhesaid,Iwokeupwithablackdotonthebackofmyhand.Isaid,well,maybesomethinggotonthereduringthenight.Hesays,well,ifitdid,Ican′tgetitoff.Isaid,well,didyoutryandscrapeitoff?Hesays,no,itjustwon′tcomeoff.Isaid,well,whydon′tyoubringitdowntome,andwe′llseewhatitis.Hebroughtitdown,andwithascalpelblade,wewereabletodetachitfromthebackofhishand.Thisisaviewthroughanopticalmicroscope,andit′skindofaweird−lookingthing.It′ssortofagelatinous−typestromaaroundtheoutside,andthenithasthesefibro−likethings,orwhatactuallylooklikewires.Next.Andthere′sanotherviewshowingthisunusualstuff.Next.Andthere′sacloserpictureofit.Whatisit?Well,wedon′thaveaclue.We′vesentitintogetsomeanalysisdone,andsofar,itcouldbeanimal,vegetable,ormineral,butwedon′tknowwhatitis.Sothere′sanother.Hesaid,gee,thisguy′suphereshowingusthisstuff,andhedoesn′thaveanyanswers.Well,ifIhadthemoney,Iwouldhavetheanswers,becauseyoucouldgoon.That′swhyIadmirePhyllisBudingersomuch.She′sabletoleadthesethingstosomekindofaconclusion.Next.Anotherviewofthissameweirdthing.Next.Now,wedidanothersurgeryonaladywhohadanobjectinhercheek,andwedidn′tknowitwasinthecheekbecausethiscasewasoriginallysenttomebyadentist,andthedentistcalledmeonthephoneandsaid,thispatientofminehassomereallyweirdstories,andIhearthatyoudealwiththingslikethis.ButItookanx−ray,andshe′sgotametallicobject,whichappearstobeinhergum.SoItoldthemtosendmethex−ray,andIlookedatit,andwetookittoourradiologistandthentoadentalconsultant.Theysaid,well,itlookslikethere′ssomethingthere.Certainlyitdoesn′tbelongthere,butIdon′tknowwhetherit′sinthegum,solet′shavehergetaPanorex.Socommunicationagain,andwegotaPanorexdone.That′sthewholemouth,andthatshoweditupalittlebetter,butwestilldidn′tknowwherethethingwas.It′ssomewhereinamouth,agum,oratooth,orwhateveritis,butitcertainlywasn′tanykindofdentalmaterial.Sothenwesaid,well,thelastthinghereiswe′vegottogetaCATscan.SowedidaCATscan,andloandbehold,itwasn′tinthemouthatall.Itwasinthecheek,anditwasinthecheeksuperficialtothemassetermuscle,whichisamuscleinthecheek.Thatmeansthatitdidn′tgointhroughthemouth.Itwentinthroughtheoutside,butasinalltheothercases,therewasnoscar.Next.Now,thiscasecaughttheattentionofGeorgeNorrieandhisproducer,Tom,andsohesaid,canIcometothesitewhenyou′redoingthesurgerybecauseIwanttodoashowonthistonight,andI′dliketorecordthiswhileit′sgoingon.Isaid,letmeaskthepatientifit′sokay,andsheagreed,andsothere′sGeorgeandthere′sTom.Next.Theseareanumberofpeoplethatareinvolvedinthesurgery.Thisinstrumentherewiththearchiswhat′scalledaC−arm.Itallowsustoseeinsidethetissueaswe′redoingthesurgery,whichappearonsometelevisionscreens.Next.Next.Now,wemarktheareawherewethinkthisobjectis,andtheninadditiontothis,weusesomemetallicmarkers.Next.Thesearethemetallicmarkers.It′ssomewherebetweenthesetwometallicmarkers.Sothat′swhereyoumakeyourcut.Next.Now,here′swhattheX−raylookslike.Here′stheobjectontheX−ray.Next.Thatone′skindofhardtosee,butit′sdownhere.Next.Now,thisistheX−raydevicethatwe′reusing,theC−arm,andhere′sthetwotelevisionscreens,asyoucansee.whatyou′redoingwhileyou′redoingitmakesitaloteasierfortheremovalofaforeignobject.Next.Here′saninstrumentthatwehaveplacedinthewoundandyoucanseeit′sjustrightatthetipistheobjectthatwe′retryingtoremove.Nowwehadalotofdifficultyherebecausesomemagneticphenomenawasoccurringandthisobjectwasbeingpropelledawayfromthesurgicalinstrumentandsurgicalinstrumentsarenotsupposedtobemagnetic.Itcouldberatherdangerous.Youknow,soyouwouldthinkthatifthiswas,youknow,ferrousmetalandhighlymagneticitwouldjustbeattractedtoitandalmostcomerightout,butthat′snotthecase.Next.Nowhereweputinaneedleandthisneedlerunsparalleltotheskinanditgivesusanothergeographicalarchitecturalpointtoworkfrom.Next.Here′stheneedleagainandseeagain,it′spointingrighttotheobject.Next.Thereitis.Lookslikeit′sclosetothesurfaceoftheskin.Nottrue.Next.Thisisitafterit′sbeenremovedandyoucanseethatit′sgotkindofacurlicuethingthatgoesallthewayaroundit.AtfirstIthoughtthiswasnotcoveredwiththisstrangedarkgraymembrane,butwhenlookingatitunderthemicroscopewefound,yep,thereitis.Next.NowGeorgewasactuallyabletointerviewthepatientandgetsomethoughtsasthesurgerywasgoingonandafteritwasover.Next.Next.Next.Next.Next.Next.Next.Thereitis.Thisissometissuethatweremovedthatsurroundstheobject.Wealwaysdothisbecausewesubmitthisforseparateanalysisandinthepastthatwehadfindthatthissurroundingsofttissueabsolutelyhasnoinflammatoryorrejectionreactionwhatsoever.Nowifwecouldduplicatethemembrane,asIhavementionedmanytimesbefore,thatsurroundsthisthing,mygod,youcouldwrapaliverorakidneyorwhateveryouwantinitandthepatientwouldn′thavetotakethingslikecyclosforinandotherveryexpensiveimmunosuppressiveagentsfortherestoftheirlife.Next.There′sanotherview.Next.Next.Nowundertheopticalmicroscope,youknow,indoingresearchoneithersurgicallyremovedobjectsorobjectsthatmayhavesomethingtodowithabductionlikePhyllisdidwiththeBettyHilldressandsoon,youcan′twalkintoalaboratoryandsay,seeIhavethisthing.Hereitis,guys.Iwantyoutodowhatyou′regoingtodoandtellmewhatitis.Sciencedoesn′tworkthatway.Thereareanumberofdifferenttestsandsoyouhavetobetheretotellthelaboratorieswhattestsyouwantanddependingupontheconclusionofthefirsttest,itdependsonwhatyou′regoingtodoforthenexttest.Andifyoudon′tdothat,thewholethingisawasteoftimeandsomebodywastellingmeatthisconferenceaboutalittleballthatsupposedlycameoutofthenoseanditwasgiventothelabandtheydidn′tfindoutwhatitwas.Youcan′tdothat.Youhavetoknowwhattesttoorder.SothewayIlookatthingsissortofinapracticalaspect.Let′slearnasmuchaswecanfromtheoutsidesurfaceandthenwe′llgodeeperintoitandseewhatitis.Sothefirstthingwedoisopticalhigh−magnificationphotography.Let′sshowthatslideagain.Next.Andyoucanseeit′savery,veryshinymetal.Next.Andithasgrooveswhichrun76degreesparalleltothelongaxisoftherod.Andwhenthescientistswerelookingatthis,theysaid,oh,thisisprobablyapieceofextrudedmetal.That′swhatmadethelinesandetc,etc,etc.AndIprobablyevenknowtheinstrumentthatitwasusedtocutitoffthestockwith.Next.Next.Andthenwegottolookingattheendsoftheobjectandwefindthattheselinestotallycrossedtheendsandtheysaid,whoops,theregoesthattheory.Becauseextrudedobjects,ifyoucutthethingoff,thesamelinesdon′tgoaroundtheend.Next.Next.Okay,youknow,here′sareportonasample.ThatwasgiventomebyMUFON.Andwestarteddoingthesamesortofthing.Now,usuallyIdon′tacceptsurgicalobjectswhicharetakenoutbysomebodyelse.Butthiscase,Johnsentmeallthematerialonavideotapeandtheobjectandtoldmeabouttheabducteeandfairlywellconvincedmethatthiswasaworthwhilecasetolookinto.Now,whenIremoveobjectsfromthehumanbody,they′replacedinaserumsolution.Wetakewholebloodandthenwespinitdown.Andwhenwewhenwespinthethingdown,itseparatesouttheliquidportion,whichistheserum.Andthenthatcontainsapreservativeandananticoagulant.Andwepopthethinginthereandthey,sofar,knockonwood,they′reashappyasclams.Butthisdoctordidn′tdothat.I′msurehewasverywell−meaning.Soheputitinasolutionofformaldehyde.Whichisokay.Itdidn′tseemtodeteriorate.Sowewentonfromthere.Next.Andwewegotseveralreportsback,whichI′llreadyouthelastreport.Sojustgoon.Next.Now,wedidopticalphotographyonthis,youknow,withamicroscope,alightmicroscope.Andwegottolookingattheoutside,asyousawwiththemetallicrod.Ididn′tbringthoseslides.Wejusthavetoomanyslides.Anyway,thatshoweduswhatitlookedlike.Butthenwesubjectedthistothenextbiggest,biggestmagnification,whichisanatomicforcemicroscope.AndIfeelthisisimportantbecauseit′sinbetweenopticalphotographyandwhatyoucangetwithanSEM,whichisscanningelectronmicroscopy.Sothisgivesussomeideaofthesurfacedata.Andwhathappens,itusesalaser.Andthelasertravelseitherinaliquidordirectlyovertheobjectandmakestheselines.Andit′scomparableinadatabasetocertain,youknow,knowngraphicconfigurations.Next.I′mgoingtoshowyousomeexamplesunderthistremendouslyhighmagnification.ThisisnotSEM.Thisisnotscanningelectronmicroscopy.This,thisisAFM,atomicforcemicroscope.Next.Next.Andyoucansee,it′salmostlikelookingatthesurfaceofanotherplanet.Wecanseethesestrides,theselargeprotrusions,bumps.Next.Andthesearedifferentviewstakenindifferentplaces.Wedidthisonthesurfaceoftherodorthesurfaceoftheelongatedobject,whateveryouwanttocallit.Andthenwealsotookalookattheends.Next.Now,here′swhatthethinglookedlikeonanSEM.Thisisscanningelectronmicroscopy.Andwhenyoudothis,youdoanothertest.IfyoulistenedtoPhyllisearlier,it′scalledanEDX.AndtheEDXgivesyouagraphicrepresentationoftheelementsthatthisiscomposedof.Butwhat,thisiswhatthisthinglookedlike.Now,whenIplayedwiththisonthelabbench,andItookaninstrumenttotakeitoutoftheformaldehydeandputitinadish,itlookedlikeitwasmagnetic.SoIsaid,well,youknow,maybewereallyhavesomethinghere.Butbythetimewegotit,youknow,intoalaboratorysettingandstartedworkingwithit,andwegotitdriedout,wefoundthatithadnomagneticpropertieswhatsoever.Sowhatwasgoingonwaswhatwascalledanelectrostaticcharge.Next.Now,wecenteredinonasmallareaoftheobjectwherewesawthisconfiguration,whichlookedlikeitwaskindofanorganicmaterial.Andthat′sprobablywhatitwas.Next.Andthere′sanotherview.Next.Now,thishaskindofbeeninteresting.We,interestingshot,weturneditoverandusedthescanningelectronmicroscopetotakealookattheend.Andasyoucansee,thisisahollowstructure,andit′sgotstuff.Idon′tknowhowelsetodescribeit.It′sgotstuffinit.Youknow,you′relooking,you′relookingatmanytimesmagnification,asyoucanseehere.Andsoit′sgot,it′shollow,andit′sgotstuffinit.Next.Andhere′stheotherend,youknow,andyoucanseeagain,it′s,thisiskindofirregular,andit′sgotsomeinternalpropertieshere,youknow.Whattheheckisit?Next.Andhere′sareally,reallyhighmagnificationview,500xhere,ofanareaofthesurface.Andthisiswherewesawthatplacethatlookedlikeorganicmaterial,whichitprobablywas.Next.Andhere′sagreatermagnificationshotoftheend.It′sround,andit′shollow,andit′sfullofstuff.Yeah.Okay.Next.Now,here′sagoodshotofthesurface.Thisisa500xmagnification,oristhat3,500x?Yeah,that′s3,500x.Youcanseethat′smorehighlymagnifiedthanyou′veseensofar.Let′sputitthatway.3,500x.Andyoucanseethatthesurfaceiswavy,it′sirregular,andthere′ssomedifferentdensityofobjectshere.Next.Next.Now,wesaid,well,whattheheck,youknow,whatisthismadeof?Mygosh.Well,lookatthis.Boop,boop,boop,boop,boop,boop.Carbon!We′vegotalotofcarboninthisthing.Andthenwetookalookatsomeoftheelementshereandsay,hmm,thiscertainlydoesn′tlookmetallic.Itlooksorganicofsomesort.Next.Thenwetookanotherpieceoftherod,andwedidtheEDXonit.Andagain,thislongcarbonpeak,andyouseetherestoftheminorelementshere.Well,youknow,thisisgettingtolookmorelikesomethingwemightknowwhatitis.Next.Andhere′sanotherone.Wediddifferentplacesontherod,justincase,youknow,there′ssomeplacethat′sgotsomethingtotallydifferent.Butsamesortofstuff.Next.Differentplacesagain.Next.Now,whatwedid,welookedatthat,andthelabguysgatheredaroundandsaid,youknow,thislookslikeitcouldbecellulose.So,Phyllistalkedthismorningabouttheinfraredspectrometry,atestthat′scalledFTIR,andhesaid,well,let′sdothatnext.Now,yourememberthatwhenyouwalkintoalaboratory,thiswasdonebySEALLabsinSouthernCalifornia,andthey′reverywellqualifiedforensiclaboratories.Whenthere′sanaircraftaccident,orsomethinghappens,youknow,withNASAontheshuttle,theygettheselittlepiecesofmetalandthings,andtheyhavetocomeupwithananalysisandareportofwhythemetalfractured,andsoon.Sothey′renot,they′renotthecaliberofauniversitylaboratorywithoneprofessorandabunchofstudentswhoaretryingtolearnhowtooperateamachine.Thisisareal,trueforensiclaboratory.Andyou′llwalkinthroughthefrontdoor,andyousay,thisiswhatIwanttohavedone,thatwehavegroupmeetings,andtheymakesuggestions.Well,whataboutdoingthisandthat?AndthenIsay,well,let′ssee,letmegetmycheckbookouthere.Well,Idon′tknow,youknow,theywant600 for this. Can you do it for 482.50?Youknow,becausewe,we′renon−profit.Wedon′thaveanymoney.Oh,no,wecan′tdoitforthat.Allright,makeit485. I’ll write the check. But anyway, you can wheel and deal with them. They’re nice people. So, but
it takes money to do this. Next. So, what we did, this, the FTIR produces, first of all,
this graphic recording here. And then it goes through a computer. Everything goes through a computer today.
Sometime in the future, I’ll probably go through a computer, and I won’t be standing here.
It’ll just be a virtual image of me. I’ll be at home, asleep, or fishing someplace.
You know, this, this is modern science stuff. And also, they looked at this configuration, looks pretty much the same.
Hey, it’s cellulose for sure. But what’s this? This is something different. Next. Next. So, we did some comparisons and trying to find what these other areas look like. Go ahead, next.
And then we did some more of them, and they begin to look like certain amino acids. Now, isn’t that strange?
This thing comes out of the human body, and it could have amino acids there. How strange. Well, that’s what we find in the human body, amino acids. Next. Now,
here’s the report, and since it may not be that clear, I’ll read it to you, because this is the crux of the situation. This, as I said before, these tests cost me a lot of money. Here’s what we got.
Material analysis of sample CL lab, job number 20363. Dear Dr. Lear, the submitted sample was examined in a scanning lab. The submitted sample was examined in a scanning electron microscope, SCM, and analyzed for elemental chemical composition
with energy-dispersive X-ray EDX microprobe attachment, containing a thin window detector. The EDX microprobe spectra was obtained at 20 kilovolts electron beam voltage,
a condition that simultaneously detects all the elements in the periodic table above the electron beam.
It detects all the elements in the periodic table above the atomic number 5, which happens to be boron.
The submitted sample was 3.25 millimeters in length, 0.45 millimeters in average diameter.
It had a black color with a lighter interior when examined from either end. The sample was non-magnetic. The side view of the sample was shown in figure 1a, which I showed you before.
A small particle was present on the surface, shown in figure 1b, which is, as I said, probably organic material, tissue.
The end-on views of the sample are shown in figures 2, 3a. A cellular structure is seen. Detailed examination of the sample surface reveals some linear features.
The EDX microprobe spectra obtained on the small particle shown in figure 1 is represented in figure 5.
Carbon, oxygen, calcium, sulfur, silicon, titanium, sodium, zinc, traces of iron, potassium, aluminum were all present.
This is the normal stuff you usually find either in the human body or in a tree.
The EDX microprobe spectra obtained on the small particles shown in 1b, presented in figure 5, etc., etc. And then we go on. EDX microprobe spectra obtained on both end views. General surface shown in figures 2, 3, 4, etc., etc.
Varying amounts of carbon, oxygen, calcium, sulfur, sodium, phosphorus were present.
Since the sample revealed large amounts of carbon and oxygen, it is primarily an organic material with some inorganic materials.
To further characterize the organic nature of the sample, it was analyzed using a Fourier transform infrared FTIR microspectroscopy. In this technique, a small sample is irradiated with infrared in the spectral range of 700 to 4000 minus centimeters,
and the radiation absorbed at each wave number is recorded. The presence of peaks at specific wave numbers indicate either a bond stretch or bend, and thus indicative of the bond between the two specific atoms.
So, as Phyllis explained earlier, infrared spectroscopy is one of the most conclusive and best tests that you can do at this stage of looking at a piece of material.
When these peaks are viewed together, the functional groups composing the molecules presented are indicated.
A Fourier transform indicates that all frequencies from the source are analyzed simultaneously. It looks at the whole piece at the same time.
The FTIR spectrum obtained from the sample and its best spectral match with the FTIR library revealed a cellulose material. Small amounts of protein and amino acids were present.
In summary, the submitted sample is a long piece of wood, showing linear features on the bark and cellular features inside the bark.
The wood also contains some inorganic materials containing calcium, sulfur, sodium, and phosphorus.
The sample surface contains small amounts of protein and amino acids from the body fluids.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have further questions. So, there you go.
Lots of money spent, thorough investigation of an object, and we have a piece of wood.
So, what does that mean overall with the case? Does that mean that there is no abduction? No. The abduction case could be as solid as possible.
It’s just that the object that this individual had within his body was a sliver. You know, and as I said, I didn’t do the surgery.
I received the object in formaldehyde and proceeded to do what they wanted of me. So, there it is. I mean, that’s the way science is done.
You don’t always come up with things like you saw in the video. But when you see material that is highly magnetic, and when you do x-ray diffraction on it and the iron is amorphous, believe me, folks,
we don’t know how to do that stuff. Because I was in a black budget laboratory in San Antonio, Texas, and here were scientists that were crowded into the room,
and they confessed to me that we knew how to make amorphous metals. Naturally, they wouldn’t tell me what it was used for, but you’ve got to believe it was something military. But what they didn’t know was how to make it magnetic.
And if those guys don’t know how to do it, we don’t know how to do it. Period. Okay. According to my big sign here, we have 13 minutes left, and I’ll be happy to take some questions. So if we could have some lights. That would be nice.
It’s question time, but I’d like to have the lights on, so I can see who’s asking the questions. But maybe they won’t turn them on. I don’t know. Did I beat you? Okay. Well, thanks a lot. That was great. Very interesting. I’m going to go out and buy your book. But I just wondered, this is hard.
It seems like at least some elements of hard evidence. What kind of response have you had from your folks in San Antonio or U.S. government military intelligence? Because this is hard evidence.
Have you had any kind of reaction, response, or anything else? Thanks. You know, I think my best answer to that question is, why is it I do what I do, and I’m not locked up,
or put in jail, or found on the bottom of the sea yet? And it’s probably what I’m discovering is, if somebody knows, some group knows, and you guys out there may know more about this than I do, certainly.
But there may be groups who know a lot more than any of us sitting in this room. And I think if you don’t tilt the scale grossly, you know, I’m not coming out and said, you know, I just shook hands with a gray last night,
and we sat on my porch and smoked cigars. You know, if I did that, I might be in real trouble. But when you go into a black budget laboratory, and these are very sincere guys, and incidentally, the laboratory director, when this was going on, was standing out on the hall
with his hands on his hips. And the expression on his face was not exactly friendly, because he, these guys are on a payroll to do a job for the government, not to go in a room looking at a little piece of UFO junk. Next.
Right. So, my name is Joe Brooks from LA MUFON. I’m an internal medicine doctor. And the analysis that you did at the end of the program
was not from a specimen that you had personally obtained. That was the point of information.
That’s correct. I received the specimen in a container of formaldehyde with a letter from the physician
who removed it and a videotape of the surgery. They did not have x-rays that showed metallic density
like you did in your previous cases, right? No. I had no x-rays to go on at all. I accepted it just on the merit that MUFON thought it was a good case. And then after going over it personally,
I thought, yes, it’s worthy doing. And so you’re going to modify your practice in the future in terms of focusing on things you’ve removed yourself
that you can vouch for. Is that right? Not necessarily. Because, Joe, in the last two years particularly, I’ve received stuff from Australia, from Japan, from Israel and a few other places. And they’re not surgical specimens.
They’re materials of interest. And as long as I can keep a few bucks to do the tests,
I do them and I send them back the results. I started out by just doing the surgical stuff. But this has sort of evolved now into other physical evidence, either of UFO landing crash sites or somebody sees something strange
and a piece falls off and it looks weird and I get it. And as long as there’s enough documentation
and I have the bucks, I can go ahead and do it. Thank you so much. Thank you, Joe. Is there any reason other than speculation on why the implants are put in
other than maybe a tracking device? And could it be detrimental to take them out?
Well, that’s a good question. And I’ve been asked that quite frequently. I’ve been in 42 countries
and I probably have had that question asked in many of them. Now, all I can go by, number one,
answering the last part first, is it detrimental? We follow the cases quite closely for the ones that we have extracted and nobody’s really had anything detrimental that happened to them. One case, they thought they had some psychic ability
which disappeared, but within two months it came back. And also, so far, knock on wood,
we’ve never had anybody had one put back. Now, are tracking devices, or what are they for?
I really don’t think that they’re tracking devices. And I wish Stan Friedman was here because I would like to use his little acronym for SETI,
which is the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard of in my life. Why would you expect an advanced civilization to be playing with a radio wave? I mean, Mishukaku gives a good analogy
of various advanced civilizations. And you think an advanced civilization would have to stick something like we do
in a whale to track it through the ocean. Another thing, in Brazil, I was presented with a case. A lady had an object, well, two objects in the toe,
very similar to the one that I removed in 1995. And she was deathly afraid to have this removed.
And I said, why are you so afraid? Because you have one here that’s slightly dangerous. It’s getting very close to the surface of the skin and it could form a canal if it came out
and end up with an osteomyelitis of the bone. It would be an open trackway to the bone.
And she says, well, let me tell you this, doc. She said, in one of my experiences, they stopped an insect in midstream, stopped it with a little pinpoint blue light, and they told her they could find that insect
anywhere on this planet if they wanted to find it. So do you really think that an advanced civilization
needs a glob to use as a tracking device? I don’t think so. And as to what they are doing there,
maybe they are monitoring something. Maybe they’re monitoring our genetics. We know that, in large, the abduction phenomena
involves the taking of sperm and egg. David Jacobs thinks there’s a hybrid program. There could very well be. But maybe we’re being genetically manipulated.
So maybe they’re following that. Who knows? Anybody that has the answers that gets up before you in an audience like this, thinks they have the answers, and starts telling you, put a finger in each ear
and run out the room. No, we don’t know. Yes? Based on your last comment, do you think that our genetics are dynamic, as well as there seems to be no evidence of scars
from an external insertion? Is that a common phenomenon that you see? Yes. In all of the cases, other than the ones that we did for a scoop mark surgeries, which were two in number,
none of them had any kind of a portable entry. And believe me, we look quite closely. We use a loop. If it’s in the foot, we cover the whole leg
looking for somewhere where it could have gone in and migrated. We haven’t found any scar.
And how about the dynamics of our DNA? Of our genetics? Yes. More and more all the time. We know that DNA now not only does what it does,
but it has an electronic signature. So, you know, if we could develop a mechanical electronic device,
I could find you wherever I wanted. I wouldn’t have to put an implant in you to find you.
So, yes. And can it change? Yes, it can change. It is dynamic. Thank you. Next? He had nearly the same question I did,
but I’ll take it a little further. Are you in contact with any groups or individuals
studying the quantum capabilities of DNA? And have you seen any evidence of this
in your studies of implants? Cleve Baxter sort of thing. I am quite fortunate in being friends
with a DNA researcher, one of the finest in the world. He’s also the one that worked on some of the stuff with Betty Hill’s dress. And we’re learning more and more about DNA and various things all the time. It’s totally ongoing.
Hello, Dr. Lehrer. Phil Konkoleski of Michigan MUFON. I had a question also about scarring. You said that in most of the cases there haven’t been any scarring
from the insertion of these objects. Has there been a real detailed study on people who have scars to check to see
if they may also have implants? Good question. Yes. I get numerous, numerous, numerous emails
and phone calls, et cetera. And when I go to conferences, there are people that come up that do have a scar
and think they might have an object. And my advice to them is go have a plain, simple x-ray taken. You know, what’s a few Roentgens going to do
in the face of the environment that we live in? How can I make that much difference? Get a plain, simple x-ray taken and see if anything shows up. Next.
Two questions, if I could. Have you ever considered a very fine needle insertion? I mean, you’re looking for a scar,
but a fine needle wouldn’t leave a track, per se. You’re absolutely right. A fine needle wouldn’t leave much
to find afterwards. However, when you find like a T-shaped object, which is a sonometer in each direction, I don’t think you’re going to have a needle big enough to put that in the body. Okay. So size precludes the insertion with some kind of a needle. Okay. Second question.
Most of the things you’re showing us is soft tissue. Have you had any experience
with this being embedded in like bone? No. I have not found any of these, so far, embedded in bone. Now, the case that I talked about with an object in the neck and one in the maxilla, maybe that’ll be a case
where there will be something in bone. But that’s why it’s so important to do a CAT scan, because a CAT scan can tell you precisely where the object is. I hope that answers your question.
I have two questions. One was, have you had a lot of experience or noticed many of the implants being what Bud Hopkins describes as being like the little BB inserted up the nose
or in the area of the brain? I have seen photos of objects that were reported to come out of the nose, but nobody has been able to successfully get one to me
to analyze. I would love to get one. And there’s so many people that have reported this.
They’ve got to be around. And then my second question is, has there been any one or two common themes structurally
that are true in all implants? You’ve described the structures of a metallic core with a black sheath
on it. Has that been the case in all of them, or have there been some that don’t? We have four now that are metallic objects covered with a strange membrane that are little cantaloupe
seed-shaped devices. The other metallic ones, one is triangular, one is T-shaped. They are also covered with the same strange membrane
that we have. I have one more question. Can I quick interject another? You said the tissue around the sheath
was highly innervated. Were you able to ascertain if that was connected to the nervous system
in some way? Yes, it’s connected to the nervous system because it’s like a radio. You unplug the thing
and it doesn’t work anymore. Let’s try one more question. Yes, doctor. You made a strong point about the absence
of inflammatory cells. Could you expand upon that and just how rare that would be
with objects in the human body? It is extremely rare and virtually impossible. You cannot get foreign material inside the human body without having a reaction
in the form of inflammation. You have to get rid of the object that is in there. There is a whole scenario of inflammation with increased blood supply, increased number of white cells, phagocytic development
in order to try and remove the object. Finally, it can’t be removed. You get fibrosis that goes around the object such as what happened in pilots that were involved in war actions and had shrapnel that pulled off
and acts like it’s not there. I thank you so very much for your kindness and your attention. If anybody wants a book, I’ll be out there. Thank you so much. Transcription by ESO. Translation by — Transcription by —