Alec Newald — “Co-Evolution” interview (Radio Out There, 2013)
Source: “Radio Out There” interview with Alec Newald (mirrored on the “shuffle brain” YouTube channel), on his book Co-Evolution and his claimed February 1989 ten-day contact. URL: https://youtu.be/Jxm-Nv0fbH4 (uploaded 2013-02-18; 1:06:23). Captured: 2026-06-28. YouTube auto-caption transcript (timestamps retained; ASR artifacts). Provenance only; analysis: newald-coevolution-contactee. What this is: Newald’s own-voice, long-form account — the first first-person Newald primary captured in the base, which previously relied on the Exopaedia and Medium secondaries (exopaedia-alec-newald, medium-newald-is-it-real-2025). Use to check his verbatim framing (hypnosis provenance, the “missing time,” the persecution arc) against the summaries.
[00:00:02.390] [Music] [00:00:10.260] [Music] [00:00:14.160] hi there welcome to radio out [00:00:23.279] there this week we’re going to meet as [00:00:25.599] our special guests the author of [00:00:28.359] co-evolution [00:00:30.119] sto the true story of a man taken for 10 [00:00:33.239] days to an extraterrestrial [00:00:35.879] civilization Alec [00:00:42.079] newal Alec recounts his journey in the [00:00:44.680] book and now tells us on radio out there [00:00:49.039] his amazing experiences at the time and [00:00:53.320] the impact that it’s had on his life [00:00:56.079] because of such an incredible story Alex [00:00:59.640] Co Evolution journey is our entire [00:01:02.760] program this [00:01:04.540] [Music] [00:01:18.320] [Music] [00:01:21.479] week Alec good to talk to you and meet [00:01:24.079] you at last having read your book [00:01:25.400] coevolution it’s it’s good to speak to [00:01:27.240] the man behind it well it’s wonderful to [00:01:29.600] catch up up Barry um you know doing a [00:01:32.280] wonderful job there with with the online [00:01:34.439] radio and uh it’s just a privilege to be [00:01:36.759] able to to chat to you now your book Co [00:01:39.159] Evolution was actually written about 10 [00:01:40.920] years back wasn’t it so uh and the [00:01:43.680] experiences you had in there which we’re [00:01:45.280] going to talk about happened quite a few [00:01:47.360] years ago how how do you look back on on [00:01:49.960] your book now 10 years down the [00:01:52.479] track well I wish I had more courage [00:01:56.159] Barry when I first wrote it there was a [00:01:59.280] lot more to the story than um that I I [00:02:02.759] originally published [00:02:04.880] and the the events that have happened in [00:02:07.640] the last 10 or 20 years since that date [00:02:10.160] have probably would suggest to me now um [00:02:14.560] you could be a Trailblazer if you like [00:02:16.680] but it’s it’s you need a lot of courage [00:02:18.920] to be a voice in the wilderness and um [00:02:21.680] yes [00:02:23.000] indeed and Steven Greer I think is you [00:02:26.519] know is almost the voice in the [00:02:28.080] wilderness unfortunately he’s the only [00:02:29.560] one telling the the truth about a lot of [00:02:32.040] things on this planet and and now I wish [00:02:34.760] that um perhaps if I’d written Co [00:02:36.239] evolution in a slightly different manner [00:02:38.120] it might have helped him even more but [00:02:40.159] you got in first and and it’s very [00:02:42.159] interesting because I read Steven [00:02:43.519] Greer’s book [00:02:46.080] um almost two books I think before I [00:02:48.560] read yours and I found the correlation [00:02:51.480] between the two a lot of the information [00:02:53.239] there was was amazingly similar and yet [00:02:56.239] your book had been written a long time [00:02:57.879] before so when we start to talk about [00:03:01.040] contact UM with with um visitors from [00:03:04.640] from other worlds then there seems to be [00:03:07.120] this kind of correlation that exists [00:03:09.040] between your story Steven’s story [00:03:11.319] Richard ban and so many other people so [00:03:14.159] it it’s not just [00:03:16.360] coincidence well the thing is Barry that [00:03:19.680] I did feel I was telling a lone story [00:03:22.680] initially because there were so few [00:03:25.080] stories written about benevolent or [00:03:27.799] friendly interactions um [00:03:31.319] I was surrounded by people with [00:03:33.120] terrifying stories um once I joined a [00:03:37.799] like groups in New Zealand that and [00:03:40.239] people that had had experien were [00:03:42.040] sharing them with me in in private [00:03:44.400] discussion groups and uh and also some [00:03:47.159] of the books I’d read around about that [00:03:49.239] time to C to catch up basically with [00:03:51.599] what what was going on and being [00:03:53.239] published and I I felt like I was a lone [00:03:55.720] voice I was telling a story that wasn’t [00:03:58.920] uh dramatic and or traumatic and I sort [00:04:02.319] of felt why is my interaction different [00:04:06.319] but of course we found out since then um [00:04:08.680] thanks to Steven Greer and some other [00:04:10.439] people that uh perhaps those other [00:04:12.799] terrifying stories are not as um real in [00:04:16.680] in the terms of um off-planet [00:04:20.040] interactions as we would perhaps like [00:04:22.720] yes for those who haven’t read Steven’s [00:04:24.680] book uh he uh makes the point that a lot [00:04:27.960] of these so-called abduction s are [00:04:30.639] actually uh manipulated by forces on [00:04:33.960] this planet and not from other worlds [00:04:37.320] for their own [00:04:39.080] purposes yes well the [00:04:41.759] first people have asked me why didn’t [00:04:44.320] you ask this or why didn’t you ask that [00:04:46.880] um while I was having this interaction [00:04:49.000] like you know you could come back with a [00:04:50.560] lot more information perhaps help us out [00:04:52.720] a bit more and I kind of like it um to [00:04:56.400] to those almost critical people or [00:04:59.240] debunk that that that asked me uh why [00:05:02.520] didn’t you ask this question or that I [00:05:04.160] said well put yourself in the seat of a [00:05:06.160] Formula 1 race car for the very first [00:05:08.199] time you’re doing 300 km an hour and [00:05:11.320] there’s some Corners coming up um what [00:05:14.520] deep uh philosophical questions do you [00:05:17.280] ask yourself in that situation it’s good [00:05:20.720] grief oh my go here’s a corner coming up [00:05:23.319] at 300 C an hour what do I do now if I [00:05:26.319] survive that moment will I survive the [00:05:28.680] next and you you just don’t seem think [00:05:32.759] as deeply as you might when you’re [00:05:34.960] resting back in your Lounge Suite you [00:05:36.759] know at home 3 or 4 months or a year [00:05:39.759] later and think oh all those questions I [00:05:41.680] should have asked yeah let’s go back to [00:05:43.840] the beginning here now that we we’re [00:05:45.600] getting your your uh sort of story from [00:05:48.520] this end let’s start at the other end [00:05:50.440] back at the time when you were uh [00:05:52.600] driving out of Oakland and all of a [00:05:55.360] sudden this event happened that changed [00:05:58.160] your life in effect you [00:06:01.759] disappeared yes well that’s uh that that [00:06:05.520] the biggest problem I had B was was [00:06:08.800] actually relating where I was at because [00:06:11.759] I I I truly did believe that I’d crashed [00:06:14.199] the car and that I was dead and this was [00:06:16.919] some sort of an [00:06:18.360] afterlife um because so it had a surreal [00:06:20.840] kind of a feeling exactly nothing had [00:06:22.960] any well to me nothing seemed to have [00:06:25.639] any real definition to it um this seems [00:06:29.120] to be a common theme of the of the more [00:06:31.840] interesting stories that are coming out [00:06:33.520] now too that um we’re sort of in an [00:06:35.880] etherical world world without without [00:06:39.400] solid 3D reality that you could grab [00:06:41.960] hold of and carry around and what I was [00:06:43.880] surrounded with was a load of this and [00:06:47.639] that even included the interaction with [00:06:50.800] the entities that I met um you can’t [00:06:54.080] relate this to an extraterrestrial or it [00:06:57.039] would be closer to a ghost so how and [00:07:00.759] because I wasn’t too o with with [00:07:03.199] extraterrestrial stories and and and [00:07:05.680] UFOs and the whole Gambit so you weren’t [00:07:08.560] into it at that St no no I didn’t I [00:07:10.440] didn’t realize that such a thing even [00:07:13.120] existed as interaction [00:07:15.120] between Earth people and [00:07:17.319] interdimensional entities or [00:07:19.039] extraterrestrials or whatever you like [00:07:20.479] to call them so it was the mind the mind [00:07:23.639] was numbed by the whole event and and [00:07:26.039] and it took me most of my interaction to [00:07:28.879] come to terms with [00:07:31.160] it so looking back on it now and this [00:07:34.680] feeling as you said you you had this [00:07:37.520] what what happened the car actually [00:07:39.360] stopped and you feel as if you you were [00:07:42.560] sort of then transported into a [00:07:44.440] different reality well I was driving the [00:07:47.159] car one minute and the next I the car [00:07:49.440] was nowhere to be seen and it didn’t [00:07:51.720] feel like I had a body actually that’s [00:07:54.240] where the the death uh scenario comes [00:07:56.919] into it I felt totally as if I’d been [00:08:00.080] put through a Sith I think I mentioned [00:08:02.199] that in the book it felt like all the [00:08:04.080] solid parts had been sifted out and uh [00:08:07.400] and here I was in a sort of a a a [00:08:10.199] glowing or or a a ghostlike entity [00:08:13.520] drifting around not really touching the [00:08:15.879] ground and having no walls of any [00:08:18.840] description around me in a huge space [00:08:21.560] and all there was was sort of in the far [00:08:23.960] distance with some ghostlike entities [00:08:26.240] and uh well you can imagine so did you [00:08:30.199] feel as if I mean now it’s easy to sort [00:08:32.959] of think about it but if you can recall [00:08:35.719] at the time did you feel as if you were [00:08:37.159] sort of an energetic form or or dis just [00:08:40.680] disembodied or or what well that was [00:08:43.360] interesting because I was sort of while [00:08:45.880] I was drifting around in this almost [00:08:48.519] formless void I was sort of asking [00:08:51.399] myself questions about like how do I [00:08:53.720] move and and and or should I move and [00:08:56.760] and and the thought processes that that [00:08:59.519] that went through me then led me to [00:09:01.640] being able to move it was like I could [00:09:04.399] do what I wanted to do by thinking about [00:09:06.560] it and it’s whole new reality to [00:09:09.519] obviously to to be in a a position where [00:09:12.279] you don’t have a body you don’t have [00:09:13.920] legs to to motivate or arms to reach so [00:09:17.839] therefore the the thought of of your [00:09:20.839] reality the the thoughts that you need [00:09:23.480] to project to make things happen for you [00:09:26.160] was what I was getting used to and and [00:09:28.440] it was like going through a uh a [00:09:30.959] teaching process a self- teing process [00:09:33.519] but um but did this come to you [00:09:35.399] naturally or did were you given a [00:09:37.560] thought to do this or or what well well [00:09:40.560] this is I wish I knew I I think that it [00:09:45.279] it was self self-taught even I mean [00:09:48.160] because I had no idea how long I was in [00:09:49.920] limbo it could have been a minute or it [00:09:51.600] could have been an hour or it was [00:09:53.079] probably actually a day or two so there [00:09:55.920] was a lot of a lot more going on time [00:09:58.959] didn’t mean anything anymore and and [00:10:01.640] this seems to be another concept we need [00:10:03.600] to to get our minds around what is time [00:10:07.600] physicality and non time yes yes so yes [00:10:11.519] the difficulty was if I was teaching [00:10:14.000] myself what was I teaching myself and or [00:10:16.720] did we already do we already know this [00:10:18.839] Barry do we is it hard wide into US you [00:10:21.320] mean yes is a nonphysical body second [00:10:25.040] nature to us well I think that you know [00:10:27.920] the way you describe it I’ve had it [00:10:29.920] described by people who’ve have’ gone [00:10:32.399] into the other world and and people I’ve [00:10:34.640] talked to in in the world of spirits so [00:10:36.680] it’s it’s a kind of correlation between [00:10:39.680] uh leaving the body and going into the [00:10:41.480] world of spirit you left the body [00:10:43.160] perhaps uh from this description and [00:10:45.360] went into a different reality which is [00:10:47.839] tantamount to the same thing I guess yes [00:10:49.839] well I can only assume through [00:10:52.040] technology I was extracted from my [00:10:54.519] physical body y uh because the realm [00:10:57.639] that I was then in was now Rel in [00:11:00.760] relating to where we are now [00:11:03.399] non-physical um and and this is this is [00:11:06.920] the the [00:11:07.959] biggest step that you need to take in [00:11:11.920] your mind is that a lot of [00:11:13.560] extraterrestrial [00:11:15.200] interactions uh into the non-physical [00:11:17.639] Realms and and and this would account of [00:11:20.000] course for why a lot of spacecraft are [00:11:22.560] not seen any yeah yeah that’s true and [00:11:25.320] there’s probably as I look out the [00:11:26.720] window there’s probably half a dozen in [00:11:28.440] the sky somewhere now that I would never [00:11:30.200] see and this seems to be the case and [00:11:34.279] we’ve got and of course our our [00:11:36.839] governments and military have got so [00:11:39.560] much more sophisticated technology now [00:11:41.959] and they can actually pick these things [00:11:43.760] up which of course 50 years ago now just [00:11:46.959] before we get into your adventures which [00:11:49.560] were absolutely wonderful and chronicled [00:11:52.120] so well in your book Co Evolution just [00:11:54.160] before we get into that when you then [00:11:56.079] came back at the end of all this uh um [00:11:59.959] did you feel as if you were zipping back [00:12:02.639] into a physical form or was was there a [00:12:05.959] big change in this how did that all [00:12:08.680] happen pretty seamless technology I have [00:12:11.440] to say Barry um there was I did bring [00:12:15.240] back some memories of of of a perhaps [00:12:18.519] being given a body that would work in [00:12:21.920] the in in the situation I was in when I [00:12:24.720] was interacting off planet and I and I [00:12:27.040] did have a vague memory of giving being [00:12:29.760] given a body back again for the the [00:12:32.680] earth end of the the story basically [00:12:35.800] going back into my own physical body I [00:12:38.000] do have vague snatches of memory of that [00:12:41.639] but I was told at the time that the [00:12:43.800] technology that was being used isn’t [00:12:46.639] sort of um con conducive with with the [00:12:50.040] with the memory of it it’s it’s Way [00:12:52.880] Beyond to my capabilities of even even [00:12:55.600] explaining yeah yeah so yes at the end [00:12:58.440] of it a seamlessly seem to move back [00:13:01.399] into my own physical body I can only [00:13:03.519] assume then that that perhaps my own [00:13:05.199] physical body either didn’t go on this [00:13:07.800] trip or if it did it was in [00:13:09.800] storage yes I was going to ask you did [00:13:11.839] you have any thoughts or concepts or any [00:13:13.839] answers as to what happened to your body [00:13:15.800] during this time it was about 10 days [00:13:17.720] wasn’t it yes well I can only as you you [00:13:19.720] you you alluded at the beginning to the [00:13:22.040] car going with me I’m sure the car [00:13:24.760] wasn’t just left on the side of the road [00:13:27.720] um I’m sure it wasn’t otherwise it would [00:13:29.000] have 10 days you know the police would [00:13:31.279] have probably come and tow it away as a [00:13:32.880] der or something I don’t know because I [00:13:35.399] assumed at the stage that I’d crash but [00:13:37.800] I don’t think that happened either but [00:13:39.880] so no I guess I just don’t know how my [00:13:44.480] body and car traveled and whether that [00:13:46.600] was in whether was there or not but at [00:13:48.240] the end of it all you came back again [00:13:50.199] and the way you sort of were able to see [00:13:53.320] that you what you were still wearing the [00:13:55.199] same clothes weren’t you and and nothing [00:13:57.279] had been changed there was it’s quite a [00:14:00.639] a strange little episode of what you [00:14:03.519] came back to exactly as I had left it um [00:14:07.320] well exactly as I had remembered leaving [00:14:10.440] roora for that for that 3-hour drive [00:14:13.000] it’s it’s only you know a couple hundred [00:14:15.920] kilometers from from R to Oakland which [00:14:18.199] I was doing at the time and um no I and [00:14:22.199] when I arrived in Orland I didn’t really [00:14:24.240] have a memory of anything unto happening [00:14:26.800] at all except that I did feel strangely [00:14:30.519] disorientated but um there were uh as [00:14:33.279] the book explains some some other [00:14:35.399] extenuating circumstances there sure but [00:14:38.399] not withstanding that I did feel pretty [00:14:40.920] weird I can tell you and and also [00:14:44.160] afterwards I I I couldn’t relate left to [00:14:46.639] right um just the physical physically [00:14:49.720] being back in the body I couldn’t [00:14:51.240] orientate myself properly I felt like I [00:14:54.079] was getting lost in in Oakland City and [00:14:56.199] I’d been in this in in the city for 40 [00:14:58.839] years is grown up there and yet I I I [00:15:02.079] kept getting lost when I was driving [00:15:03.560] around the street so I was definitely [00:15:05.399] disorientated so um there was some [00:15:07.639] getting used to that again yeah sure [00:15:10.440] since then um how do you react if people [00:15:13.399] say to you oh look you know you probably [00:15:15.880] made all those up you went parked the [00:15:17.000] car for 10 days somewhere and came back [00:15:18.519] with a nice story to write a book have [00:15:21.279] you had that yes I I wish it was that [00:15:23.519] simple um writing books was the last [00:15:27.000] thing on my mind and it actually took oh [00:15:30.199] how many years probably eight years [00:15:33.560] before I I I I actually wrote the story [00:15:36.560] up in a form that could be published so [00:15:38.720] it wasn’t the first thing on my mind oh [00:15:41.120] I need an experience so I can write a [00:15:43.040] book normally wait eight years to do [00:15:45.480] that and and even then I thought no [00:15:48.440] one’s going to believe me and I didn’t [00:15:51.240] really even want to write it at all yeah [00:15:53.759] but the whatever whatever caused the the [00:15:57.160] experience in the first place also [00:15:59.079] almost forced me to write the book I um [00:16:02.560] I wrote out a draft and put it away and [00:16:05.160] and and something just kept me going [00:16:07.360] back to it and wouldn’t let me leave it [00:16:09.120] alone but of course I suppose we should [00:16:12.519] get on to what actually happened in the [00:16:14.160] physical reality we should indeed let’s [00:16:16.160] take a break here at the moment on radio [00:16:17.959] out there and my guest is Alec mu and [00:16:21.759] we’ll be back in just a few minutes time [00:16:23.720] to uh talk about Alex’s Adventures out [00:16:27.720] of body well it’s my de about [00:16:33.180] [Music] [00:16:43.400] [Music] [00:16:53.660] [Music] [00:17:10.170] [Music] [00:17:12.799] o [00:17:45.920] [Music] [00:17:54.520] and we’re listening to some of the music [00:17:55.880] of uh David [00:17:57.840] sandercock musical Journey called The [00:18:00.000] Phoenix Trilogy based on uh the book or [00:18:03.480] inspired by the book The Phoenix Trilogy [00:18:05.919] reconciliation has begun I just noticed [00:18:08.760] that for some reason I just chose this [00:18:10.919] music as being U the right kind of music [00:18:13.840] to go with uh a chat with Alex and then [00:18:16.039] I see that it’s based on reconciliation [00:18:18.240] has begun oh 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the body you’re off the [00:20:36.240] planet and your adventures are really [00:20:39.400] only just starting to begin can you take [00:20:42.400] us through some of the things that you [00:20:44.240] would like to mention now I know they’re [00:20:45.640] in the book but you know there are so [00:20:47.200] many people who haven’t read the book [00:20:49.000] obviously yes well start off with we [00:20:52.320] were we were traveling what I was told [00:20:55.159] that we were traveling not only in in [00:20:57.240] time but but into another dimension but [00:21:01.159] the the the real catch to to the story [00:21:03.720] which made the whole thing sort of [00:21:06.039] really hard to get your head around is [00:21:07.919] this was an artificially Dimension [00:21:09.760] artificial Dimension that this race had [00:21:12.679] constructed for themselves and to to [00:21:16.720] relate to that you have to really hear [00:21:18.880] their their entire story which we can’t [00:21:21.279] do here but they were aware of of an [00:21:26.200] evolutionary an evolutionary process [00:21:28.840] which seems to be uh prevalent right [00:21:31.840] throughout our Cosmos our universe and [00:21:35.720] that is that um when a species evolves [00:21:40.200] it doesn’t do it gradually in the [00:21:41.960] darwinian theory but it just takes one [00:21:44.679] step forward uh of a Monumental leap [00:21:47.720] where it actually [00:21:49.840] transposes the physical species into [00:21:53.400] another [00:21:54.559] new reality we’re talking about that at [00:21:57.760] the moment aren’t we calling it [00:21:59.159] Ascension yes it’s it almost seemed that [00:22:02.960] seems almost too simple it seems to be [00:22:06.320] that what what this race was trying to [00:22:08.120] do was artificially if you like [00:22:11.320] accelerate that process and they [00:22:13.919] obviously had the technology to do so [00:22:16.200] and and I think that that there’s a few [00:22:18.960] covert groups on this planet that are a [00:22:21.080] bit more o with that sort of Technology [00:22:23.600] than than we would were ever led to [00:22:26.039] believe but anyway this group of people [00:22:28.520] that I interacted with obviously had the [00:22:31.279] technology and they actually accelerated [00:22:34.559] their whole race planet and their whole [00:22:37.600] solar system it would seem into another [00:22:40.240] reality a less dense reality that’s [00:22:42.559] amazing isn’t it the process the reasons [00:22:45.640] were so they could they could have Stell [00:22:48.080] travel yeah um it seems to be that you [00:22:51.240] need to be able to transport yourself [00:22:54.640] into a less dense reality to be able to [00:22:57.600] to travel [00:22:59.039] the so raise the vibrations is another [00:23:01.279] way maybe looking at you know the [00:23:02.840] technology is is absolutely amazing and [00:23:05.320] so obviously beyond my comprehension [00:23:07.760] this is they always seem to pick on the [00:23:09.279] wrong people to take well I mean we talk [00:23:11.919] about the the density of life on Earth [00:23:14.480] so that when we go back into Spirit uh [00:23:16.840] the spirit world is is vibrating at a [00:23:18.720] much higher level than we are so perhaps [00:23:20.760] they were looking at trying to be able [00:23:22.279] to access that domain well it seems to [00:23:25.279] be Barry they if you like they [00:23:27.279] artificial they they engineered an [00:23:29.360] artificial Heaven yeah that’s that’s [00:23:32.279] exactly what I’m thinking so that they [00:23:33.640] could interact with with our universe on [00:23:37.240] a on a less dense in a less dense [00:23:39.760] reality and so they could then travel [00:23:42.039] faster than light and a lot of other [00:23:43.559] things and and so explore for themselves [00:23:48.080] everything they had they desired to do [00:23:50.320] yes um but I did touch a a more sort of [00:23:54.559] a real technology on their Planet [00:23:56.720] because that’s where I I was taken [00:23:58.960] but of course I can’t relate the density [00:24:00.600] of that planet to Earth but all I could [00:24:02.880] tell you is that it felt real to me as [00:24:05.720] solid as anything that we would have on [00:24:07.960] planet Earth were there other [00:24:09.880] similarities in this world I mean did it [00:24:12.080] just look as if there was ground and [00:24:14.000] rocks and mountains and yes everything [00:24:16.880] that that you would expect to find here [00:24:18.720] but the technology was absolutely [00:24:20.720] stunningly beautiful bar that was the [00:24:22.640] most that was the thing that lingered [00:24:23.960] with me the most I think the technology [00:24:26.080] was done the better how do you explain [00:24:28.159] that I I I call it technology but it [00:24:30.799] wasn’t so much nuts and bolts it as it [00:24:33.080] was an interaction of a biological [00:24:36.360] technology um where they sort of seem to [00:24:38.679] be able to splice animal and vegetable [00:24:40.840] materials together to get living [00:24:43.279] entities um which served their their [00:24:46.039] needs and I and I [00:24:47.799] mean an example of that would be to grow [00:24:50.480] your own house yeah they did um and the [00:24:54.240] house then had a built-in ability to [00:24:57.200] read your mind and you could command the [00:24:59.399] house to do basically whatever you [00:25:01.080] needed it to do a bigger window a [00:25:03.799] smaller window warmer temperature [00:25:05.799] whatever the case may be insulation from [00:25:08.360] the heat in the day and insulation from [00:25:10.279] the cold at night how wonder I’m [00:25:11.960] negotiating with a builder at the moment [00:25:13.520] it doesn’t work out I wish it was just [00:25:14.720] as easy as a house would you mind just [00:25:17.000] doing oh wonderful and of course the [00:25:20.120] cost seems to be neurable I mean they [00:25:22.960] didn’t use money as we would understand [00:25:25.559] and and I guess you wouldn’t really need [00:25:27.840] it’s like growing beans in your backyard [00:25:30.080] exactly exactly why would you need money [00:25:32.520] I mean what a wonderful I mean and the [00:25:35.600] name of the place is called haven which [00:25:37.960] is so close to heaven anyway wasn’t it [00:25:39.880] was heaven with the E left out well [00:25:41.720] that’s [00:25:43.080] just that’s that’s another thing I [00:25:45.440] really need to talk to you about [00:25:46.679] barriers is the way they [00:25:48.360] communicated um it was VI it was a [00:25:50.720] vibrational frequency if you like but [00:25:53.120] the but was in the vibrations of [00:25:55.720] color um I think our science was just [00:25:58.760] starting to realize that um well there’s [00:26:02.559] been color therapy around in in [00:26:05.320] alternate um medicine for a long time [00:26:07.880] now and it’s I think it’s just starting [00:26:09.840] to get the credibility in the mainstream [00:26:12.520] that it deserves obviously yeah our [00:26:15.039] bodies relate to vibrational frequencies [00:26:18.399] and [00:26:19.360] resonances um [00:26:21.279] beautifully and it seems that that’s the [00:26:23.640] way they communicated and a in a [00:26:26.000] colorful vibrational resonance and I [00:26:28.480] can’t explain it any better than that [00:26:30.520] well if you look at the word universe [00:26:32.159] and break it down uni meaning one and [00:26:34.240] verse meaning song everything is one [00:26:36.360] song exactly so they obvious I mean they [00:26:39.799] were long long way ahead of us in their [00:26:43.080] understanding of Nature and the universe [00:26:45.360] and as you said before you know the and [00:26:47.640] you write it at length in the book about [00:26:49.799] the interaction between uh the the human [00:26:53.720] the um the animal world the vegetable [00:26:56.799] world and and even the rocks that the [00:26:59.880] makeup of the planet itself that we are [00:27:02.000] all one and we can interact with each [00:27:04.559] other well this this I mean I think that [00:27:08.520] every atom in the universe is [00:27:10.200] intelligent or so I was told and and it [00:27:12.640] seems to be that way trees are a lot [00:27:15.520] more than just a lump of wood growing [00:27:17.520] out of the ground I think there’s some [00:27:19.000] sort of antenna that feeds the earth a [00:27:21.760] lot of the cosmic energy um and I think [00:27:24.880] the human body being a walking aeriel is [00:27:27.520] doing exactly the same thing our DNA [00:27:29.919] strand seems to be nothing more than a [00:27:32.399] living um aerial for cosmic energy and [00:27:35.559] instructions on life uh and I think [00:27:37.919] we’re starting to realize that I was [00:27:39.320] reading in the weekend about the [00:27:40.760] Australian and US governments now [00:27:42.480] getting together to plant trees instead [00:27:45.200] of ripping them down is that right isn’t [00:27:47.480] that Wonder change isn’t that wonderful [00:27:49.919] they waking up I think the trees are [00:27:52.279] part of the Life Energy of the planet [00:27:53.880] and every time you cut down a tree you [00:27:55.399] are you are physically killing the [00:27:57.080] planet not just altering the uh the [00:27:59.559] atmospheric um behavioral patterns like [00:28:01.880] rain I mean they call them rainforests [00:28:04.159] for a reason don’t they Barry that’s a [00:28:06.720] very good point Al yeah very good anyway [00:28:09.519] back to Haven and um here you are in [00:28:12.399] this amazing place with this everybody [00:28:15.080] or everything seems to be sort of [00:28:17.960] integrated um The Journey that you’re [00:28:20.279] getting there in this craft and [00:28:21.600] everything well that’s that’s a [00:28:22.559] different story as well I mean there’s [00:28:24.039] just so much to talk about here where do [00:28:25.640] where do we pick it up from well the [00:28:28.120] spacecraft itself bar was just another [00:28:30.600] derivative of this animal plant mix I [00:28:34.200] think that we’re starting to realize [00:28:35.919] those that have studied the ET [00:28:37.720] phenomenon in any detail that [00:28:40.919] everything’s biological um there there [00:28:44.120] there’s not so much nuts and bolts [00:28:45.760] there’s not so much metal in any of [00:28:47.720] these craft as maybe there is in some of [00:28:50.480] the very primitive ones that they might [00:28:52.480] be able to shoot down but um I think [00:28:55.919] that that the the more high-tech race is [00:28:58.320] use a biological machinery and uh it [00:29:02.120] integrates with them they are part of [00:29:04.240] the machinery and I don’t think the [00:29:06.120] craft actually would operate without [00:29:07.799] them yes well Steven G talks about this [00:29:09.840] too about operating through the thought [00:29:12.039] and through the consciousness of the [00:29:13.480] inhabitants of the vehicle that’s right [00:29:15.720] well the technology that that I had [00:29:18.000] anything to to to I touched seemed to be [00:29:22.559] they seem to meld with it more so than I [00:29:25.240] did I was like an apprentice I guess so [00:29:27.679] I wasn’t qualified or even I wouldn’t [00:29:30.120] have been allowed to but whenever they [00:29:32.200] interacted with their craft it’s almost [00:29:34.279] like they molded into it if in the true [00:29:37.760] sense that when they touched the control [00:29:39.440] panels I swear their hands became part [00:29:41.840] of the control panels [00:29:44.159] and which you could only do with a [00:29:46.519] biological uh Machinery exactly I mean [00:29:49.279] we’re so used to thinking from the word [00:29:51.320] go you know from chariots horse-driven [00:29:54.000] Chariots of thousands of years ago [00:29:55.960] through to our uh modern trans [00:29:58.039] transportation that we get into [00:30:00.240] something or climb onto something and it [00:30:02.200] is totally separated from us that’s our [00:30:04.279] concept of transport and I think that’s [00:30:06.600] our limitation of Transport too isn’t it [00:30:09.000] well I they didn’t eat anything Barry [00:30:12.279] they only they only drank a sort of a [00:30:15.480] cosmic [00:30:16.640] solution um I’m sure that whatever they [00:30:19.640] they took into their bodies what would [00:30:22.399] make them Mel with their technology [00:30:24.880] because it seemed to be part of the same [00:30:27.559] same structure I mean the closest I can [00:30:30.200] get to that in in Earth terms is there’s [00:30:32.880] a there’s a substance called white [00:30:34.640] powder of gold yes which was written up [00:30:36.840] in Nexus many many years ago um which [00:30:40.200] seems to be [00:30:41.399] interdimensional and has properties of [00:30:43.840] anti-gravity just it is the the magic [00:30:46.519] Elixir if you like that’s right it is [00:30:49.159] supposed to be the the original elixir [00:30:50.960] of the Alchemists as well I think the [00:30:53.120] ancient Egyptians knew about it probably [00:30:55.200] through their extraterrestrial Heritage [00:30:57.440] but [00:30:58.440] it seems to be that and that’s this is a [00:31:01.080] crystalline form of gold or or the [00:31:04.279] higher state what they call High spin [00:31:06.600] metals like rodium and uh Etc yeah now [00:31:10.360] it seems to be that everything is [00:31:12.960] constructed from a crystalline substance [00:31:15.919] which is I think the the Bedrock of the [00:31:18.159] alien technology and it seems that that [00:31:21.880] that technology is is compatible with [00:31:24.679] both animal vegetable and mineral and [00:31:27.519] that’s the the that’s the magic link um [00:31:30.760] I’m sure there will be some laboratories [00:31:33.039] on Earth that are experimenting with [00:31:35.039] those sorts of with that sort of [00:31:36.440] Technology oh I’m sure Lawrence Gardner [00:31:38.880] in his books has written about this as [00:31:40.600] well on several occasions so it’s it’s I [00:31:43.240] think it’s been pretty well known for [00:31:45.039] quite a few centuries well if the if the [00:31:47.320] ancient Egyptian Egyptians were using it [00:31:49.480] for enlightenment of their so-called [00:31:51.519] light or Soul bodies and um been around [00:31:55.919] for on this planet for and people known [00:31:58.320] about it for what 10,000 years [00:32:01.519] plused what the question is Barry why [00:32:05.080] why don’t you and I know a lot about it [00:32:07.960] well because there’s probably people who [00:32:10.279] don’t want us to know anything about it [00:32:12.240] that’s could be right just like there’s [00:32:14.760] a lot of people that don’t want to know [00:32:16.159] about uh interdimensional interactions [00:32:19.039] or don’t want us to know about it that’s [00:32:20.880] for sure that’s true I’m talking to Alec [00:32:23.399] n about his book Co Evolution and uh [00:32:25.880] we’ll take a break and then come back [00:32:27.240] again and and explore a little bit more [00:32:29.120] about life on the planet of Haven you’re [00:32:31.519] listening to radio out there [00:32:33.730] [Music] [00:32:44.760] [Music] [00:33:11.220] [Music] [00:33:17.040] [Applause] [00:33:18.020] [Music] [00:33:27.919] oh [00:33:43.940] [Music] [00:34:11.420] [Music] [00:34:21.960] okay Alec you you’ve traveled in this [00:34:24.079] amazing craft and for more details it’s [00:34:26.560] best if people get hold of the book and [00:34:28.240] and read about that because there’s some [00:34:30.119] interesting things that happened on the [00:34:31.800] way in including you you meeting uh [00:34:34.720] various [00:34:36.240] um entities people from from this this [00:34:40.000] other world and then by the time you got [00:34:42.079] to to the planet itself uh you’re [00:34:44.960] actually taken in charge by um a very [00:34:48.200] interesting [00:34:49.760] personality yes um I’m writing a second [00:34:53.720] version of uh coevolution to explain [00:34:57.280] that and more detail but just to to [00:35:00.040] stick with the path that I used on on [00:35:02.440] the original um [00:35:04.400] story uh [00:35:07.400] yes uh and here again I I I use the name [00:35:11.280] of Zena for this um female entity which [00:35:15.320] seemed to become my [00:35:17.400] guide um because there would be no way [00:35:22.480] to to to use a name sound that would be [00:35:27.160] compatible with my with my tongue um her [00:35:31.280] her name was basically a vibrational [00:35:33.240] frequency so I [00:35:35.520] just tuned it down to a sound that was [00:35:38.560] as close as I could make with my own [00:35:41.200] tongue so the name doesn’t really mean a [00:35:43.839] lot but anyway this [00:35:46.240] entity as as a guide and Mentor um ran [00:35:49.760] me through not only um their their own [00:35:52.960] history but some of our own as well of [00:35:55.400] planet Earth which was very ing [00:35:57.640] interesting I I’ll perhaps leave that to [00:35:59.720] people that want to read the book some [00:36:01.800] of it’s probably well enough known but [00:36:03.640] some of it might might not be but their [00:36:06.119] own Planet as I said was um catapulted [00:36:09.400] into a dimension that that didn’t really [00:36:12.920] fit with the rest of the cosmos Cosmos [00:36:16.319] and uh so they’re out on a limb in uh in [00:36:19.880] a dimension that I labeled is 3.5 just [00:36:23.079] for want of a better [00:36:24.599] name um so so they’re finding it [00:36:27.880] difficult they’ve actually built [00:36:29.839] themselves a uh a coffin I think um this [00:36:34.480] reality is not [00:36:36.280] stable and it won’t last [00:36:39.160] forever um they’ve got to get out of [00:36:41.640] that situation at some stage and they’re [00:36:44.400] fighting as as hard and as fast as they [00:36:47.680] can with their technology to get [00:36:49.920] themselves into some sort of a a [00:36:51.839] situation where they could actually [00:36:53.359] travel back half a dimension which would [00:36:56.720] bring them into our reality ah so they [00:36:58.839] want to regress at this stage now yeah [00:37:01.280] yes um they they have to they can’t go [00:37:03.920] any further forward for for technical [00:37:06.119] reasons that I don’t understand and [00:37:08.640] having traveled that far forward that [00:37:11.000] they they backed themselves that they [00:37:12.680] can re-engineer their Direction [00:37:15.760] backwards they have to get back into a [00:37:18.240] into a reality which would fit with ours [00:37:21.040] and so the reason that they they visit [00:37:24.359] they are visiting Earth or planets like [00:37:27.680] Earth is to try and grab samples of of [00:37:32.640] not only plant life and and and animal [00:37:35.240] life but also intelligent life to see if [00:37:38.839] it’s possible for them to splice [00:37:40.640] themselves back down the ladder of [00:37:43.920] evolution um very interesting situation [00:37:47.680] interesting how interesting so can you [00:37:51.680] sort of give us a a description of Zena [00:37:55.920] and the other people on the planet of [00:37:58.040] Haven I mean we we’ve had and and seen [00:38:00.280] so many different kind of [00:38:02.280] representations shall we say the the [00:38:04.400] little Grays seem to be almost like the [00:38:07.119] generic uh off-world visitor were they [00:38:09.920] anything like the the Grays well I can [00:38:12.720] actually elaborate a little bit on that [00:38:14.560] barrier I was interesting that Steven [00:38:16.680] gre’s book has some um relevant U detail [00:38:20.160] on the so-called Zeta reticul or Ras I [00:38:25.319] actually that was the only image I had [00:38:27.640] in my head when this interaction of mine [00:38:30.000] happened it’s the only any reading I’d [00:38:33.079] ever done before about extraterrestrials [00:38:35.119] the only image I’d ever seen was of your [00:38:37.839] you know standard gray entity with the [00:38:40.000] black eyes and um big black eyes and [00:38:42.400] small spindly bodies and I actually [00:38:45.440] asked [00:38:46.880] them what’s the story with these other [00:38:49.640] entities that that I’d read about or or [00:38:52.680] seen some in some magazines and um they [00:38:57.599] they gave me an answer which actually [00:38:59.400] surprised me they said [00:39:01.040] well those entities come from a lot [00:39:03.480] closer to home than than you could [00:39:05.720] imagine and without going into much more [00:39:08.640] detail and that sort of thre much closer [00:39:10.839] to home do you mean you’re a native of [00:39:12.800] Earth they didn’t say that in so many [00:39:15.280] words but that was what they were [00:39:17.319] hinting and of course Steven Greer has [00:39:19.800] come up to say that some of these gray [00:39:22.760] entities are quite possibly biologically [00:39:25.880] manufactured by some cover agencies and [00:39:28.599] um on planet Earth for their own [00:39:31.720] purposes for their own purposes yeah so [00:39:34.480] that that threw me a loop to say the [00:39:36.119] least um by the way when we’ve been [00:39:37.960] talking about Steven gree his book is [00:39:39.480] hidden truth Forbidden Knowledge those [00:39:41.079] people who may be uh tuning in and and [00:39:43.040] wondering about that that’s the book [00:39:44.640] we’re refering I would reckon that that [00:39:46.160] is the book of the century as far as I’m [00:39:47.960] concerned anyway true enough back to [00:39:50.920] back to these entities that I was [00:39:52.560] interacting with now they’ already [00:39:55.040] attempted by the sound of it to to [00:39:57.440] generate to back engineer their race to [00:40:00.480] a to a level that was more compatible [00:40:02.640] with ours and that was another of the um [00:40:05.440] experiments they were they were trying [00:40:07.640] to to test um by coming to Earth and um [00:40:12.880] asking if if we if we would like to [00:40:16.240] interact with [00:40:17.720] them the the the premise that I was [00:40:21.920] abducted um off planet Earth isn’t quite [00:40:24.839] accurate actually but it’s very hard to [00:40:26.680] explain when you’re suffering from [00:40:28.160] agnesia that you’d given people [00:40:29.720] permission to come and visit you and [00:40:32.119] then you’d forgotten that the invitation [00:40:34.319] had been given but that was the [00:40:35.599] situation with me I’ve forgotten that [00:40:37.800] this was okay um so there there wasn’t [00:40:41.119] any negative connotations to this [00:40:43.480] interaction at all it was I was given [00:40:46.240] free reign free choice and Free Will at [00:40:49.480] at every at every turn but anyway the so [00:40:54.000] this Zena personality this Zena who was [00:40:57.839] my guide and Mentor for the for the trip [00:41:01.000] was a back engineered hybrid I would [00:41:04.079] guess would be the best way to describe [00:41:06.119] her yeah still a long way ahead of the [00:41:10.000] human race in in spirituality and and [00:41:13.599] technology and [00:41:15.280] knowledge but um very [00:41:19.599] humanlike uh not sure she could walk [00:41:22.720] down the street and not be [00:41:25.400] noticed as being something slightly [00:41:27.880] different than human but only a few [00:41:31.680] sections removed from that but there was [00:41:35.800] an an elder race which were I would say [00:41:39.640] the founding race of of these peoples um [00:41:43.040] they called themselves Elders because [00:41:44.760] they seem to live for I call them Elders [00:41:47.720] anyway they seem to live for a very long [00:41:49.319] time they were probably closer to a gray [00:41:55.359] zland than anything else I could [00:41:58.280] describe except that their eyes were [00:42:00.440] very dark blue not black and they did [00:42:03.960] have pupils um be it more like a cat’s [00:42:08.599] pupil than a um than a [00:42:11.560] human so but of course they were in such [00:42:16.160] a dire straight that they couldn’t [00:42:18.280] actually survive in their reality [00:42:19.880] without a bios suit which was a fully [00:42:23.040] protective glov like suit that they had [00:42:26.720] constructed for themselves both on their [00:42:28.680] planet and for space travel they had to [00:42:30.640] wear variations of this bios suit well [00:42:33.200] that makes sense when you see I mean not [00:42:35.520] every uh person in a species can look [00:42:37.720] exactly the same which is what we tend [00:42:39.599] to sort of depict The Zeta reticul like [00:42:42.359] so it would make sense to think that it [00:42:44.200] is like some kind of skin fitting suit [00:42:47.440] that would hide the individual features [00:42:50.680] yes these are the the the Elder race [00:42:52.760] were very small they were between 3 and [00:42:54.800] 4T tall so they were tiny compared with [00:42:57.760] the hybrids which were between say four [00:42:59.680] and 5 ft tall um so obviously the [00:43:02.800] genetic manipulation was making a [00:43:06.000] stronger bigger race the the problem I [00:43:08.599] think they had is that the planet Haven [00:43:11.240] is quite small um possibly not not a lot [00:43:15.839] bigger than our moon or almost exactly [00:43:18.440] the same size as our moon so they had [00:43:21.160] spent a many thousands or millions of [00:43:24.359] years uh developing on a planet that had [00:43:27.640] perhaps one sixth or one quarter of [00:43:30.559] Earth [00:43:31.440] gravity um to transport yourself to a [00:43:34.200] planet like Earth you would feel like a [00:43:36.440] lead brick I’m sure imagine yeah so a [00:43:39.800] strength Factor was was one of the [00:43:42.359] problems they had to recreate for but [00:43:44.800] was there a same atmosphere on Haven as [00:43:47.160] as we have on Earth were you able to [00:43:48.480] breathe freely uh well I could but of [00:43:51.400] course I had possibly had my body [00:43:54.599] simulated to to match theirs more more [00:43:57.359] than than not so I couldn’t be exactly [00:44:00.040] sure so you’ve gone through some kind of [00:44:01.960] process on the an alterating reality [00:44:04.559] here of me being transported or [00:44:06.839] transposed into their reality while [00:44:09.240] they’re trying to transpose themselves [00:44:10.880] into our reality and the technology [00:44:13.640] there is would be mindboggling and I I [00:44:16.079] couldn’t even go there and try and [00:44:17.480] explain it bar yeah no no that’s fair [00:44:20.000] enough too that’s fair enough uh so when [00:44:22.280] you got there uh Zena and and her family [00:44:25.000] were looking after you and um [00:44:27.720] you were almost sort of like matched up [00:44:29.599] with Zena did you get that feeling [00:44:31.160] because that’s what came over in the [00:44:32.280] book I think that was the it was [00:44:34.359] certainly they wanted me to be [00:44:35.960] comfortable with her um the [00:44:38.839] family I don’t [00:44:40.839] know cuz I don’t know how these hybrids [00:44:43.680] are are are formed I I guess they’re [00:44:47.520] they’re manufactured in some way I have [00:44:50.640] no idea cloning wouldn’t be right [00:44:53.400] because they don’t look anything like [00:44:55.160] the elders so uh [00:44:57.599] exactly the technology there I I [00:44:59.480] wouldn’t know but seemed to be that they [00:45:01.319] wanted me to befriend Zena or she wanted [00:45:03.480] me to befriend her I guess that was the [00:45:06.200] the that was the the plan and and it [00:45:10.000] worked out quite well we seem to be if [00:45:11.920] you like connected at a soul level and [00:45:15.480] um and that’s a whole new story too [00:45:17.839] because that’s basically what we’re [00:45:19.920] delving into here because they’re not as [00:45:23.040] physically dense as we are on planet [00:45:25.040] Earth you are getting into the the [00:45:27.359] sphere of of of the afterlife or Soul [00:45:33.079] reality or non-physical being so are you [00:45:36.960] developing that um line of thought with [00:45:40.000] uh your second book that’s that’s yes [00:45:43.000] this is this is where Steven Greer [00:45:44.960] jolted me into um into a space that I [00:45:48.400] should have been in when I probably [00:45:49.920] wrote the first version of coevolution [00:45:53.200] ah well all things in time Al yes I [00:45:57.000] wasn’t brave enough to talk about [00:46:00.040] um out ofbody experiences to the point [00:46:03.119] where I’m talking about light bodies or [00:46:04.960] Soul bodies um which we all seem to [00:46:07.359] possess which is also another factor [00:46:10.599] that seems to have been denied our our [00:46:13.160] mainstream reality I I firmly very [00:46:17.240] believe in an afterlife um and a rebirth [00:46:20.520] and I I think the the human soul is [00:46:23.000] Immortal and it would seem to be the [00:46:25.680] same for these extra dress tals and as [00:46:28.240] we were actually interacting on more of [00:46:30.400] a soul level rather than the physical [00:46:33.400] level it seemed to be that was just as [00:46:35.599] important to them um I guess they were [00:46:39.720] scared that if they manufactured an [00:46:41.960] artificial body which would would would [00:46:44.720] seem that that’s almost what they were [00:46:46.200] trying to do they would lose their souls [00:46:50.680] and it’s a scary thought but perhaps [00:46:53.119] they thought that they could not [00:46:54.480] continue to [00:46:57.079] at themselves or reproduce themselves [00:46:59.200] and have a soul take resonance in that [00:47:01.640] body if if it was too much of an [00:47:03.440] artificial construct um so that’s the [00:47:07.040] that’s the story line for Co Evolution 2 [00:47:10.400] yeah okay we’ll look forward to that [00:47:11.880] okay let’s take another break and and [00:47:13.359] then come back come back and uh and just [00:47:15.559] finish off our our chat here you’re [00:47:17.280] listening to radio out there [00:47:23.210] [Music] [00:47:27.160] I [00:47:30.570] [Applause] [00:47:30.830] [Music] [00:47:44.040] [Music] [00:47:53.140] [Applause] [00:47:55.840] [Music] [00:48:18.940] [Applause] [00:48:19.850] [Music] [00:48:27.000] h [00:48:33.880] [Music] [00:48:52.190] [Music] [00:49:00.880] [Music] [00:49:05.599] the very gentle SS there David [00:49:07.359] sandercock from the uh CD we’re [00:49:09.760] featuring this week called The Phoenix [00:49:11.280] Trilogy a musical Journey as I mentioned [00:49:13.400] earlier on it says [00:49:16.240] reconciliation has [00:49:19.079] begun and we’re enjoying a very [00:49:22.280] interesting well I’m enjoying now I hope [00:49:23.839] you are too a very interesting chat with [00:49:26.280] Alec Ed and we’ll resume in just one [00:49:29.890] [Music] [00:49:38.400] moment you’re listening to radio out [00:49:45.020] [Music] [00:49:48.680] there Alec Co Evolution 2 is is um [00:49:53.680] forthcoming shall we say I’ve been [00:49:55.280] privileged enough to read an outline of [00:49:57.280] of a few of the chapters and it looks [00:49:58.880] fascinating I’m not going to give a [00:50:00.040] thing away I [00:50:01.640] promise but it was I’m very very honored [00:50:03.960] to be sent over uh some advanced work on [00:50:06.839] that that you you shared with me when [00:50:09.280] you came back from uh your visit though [00:50:12.680] and this was how many years ago was this [00:50:15.079] uh did this event take place well it’s [00:50:17.680] 18 n 19 years I guess 19 years so late ’ [00:50:21.040] 80s yes a long time ago 1989 okay and [00:50:25.040] there wasn’t the same kind of um shall [00:50:28.559] we say exposure I suppose X Files was [00:50:31.000] happening and a few things like that on [00:50:32.559] television but there wasn’t the same [00:50:34.680] buildup there wasn’t the disclosure uh [00:50:37.640] movement that is on right now that there [00:50:39.240] weren’t the Steven GRE as you said but [00:50:42.720] you were still coming under the eye of [00:50:46.240] the authorities now tell us a bit about [00:50:48.799] that yes well I think that um there are [00:50:52.119] a few Co groups around the planet that [00:50:54.799] know obviously know a lot more about [00:50:56.960] extraterrestrial interaction or [00:50:58.799] extraterrestrial terrestrial [00:51:01.160] technology than the average guy in the [00:51:03.720] street and that could include me um I [00:51:07.200] think that they’ve known a lot more [00:51:09.040] about this stuff for a very very long [00:51:11.280] time probably going right back to the [00:51:14.440] 1940s [00:51:15.960] um I can’t talk about it because I I’m [00:51:19.000] not on the inside I’m not in the no but [00:51:21.119] of course as you know that’s what Steven [00:51:22.799] Greer is trying to bring out into our [00:51:25.319] reality is people that have been on the [00:51:27.559] know on the inside with this disclosure [00:51:30.079] project that’s right and of course it’s [00:51:31.839] the 60th anniversary of Roswell this [00:51:34.040] year yes and Rosell happened amazingly [00:51:36.760] enough on my birthday would you believe [00:51:38.359] the S 7th of July so I’m feeling more [00:51:41.200] and more drawn to this whole area well I [00:51:44.640] I think you’re part of it there whether [00:51:46.000] you like it whether I like it or not I [00:51:47.920] think the whole entire Human Race part [00:51:49.760] of it um fortunately it’s it’s left a [00:51:52.520] few people like Steven GRE to drag us [00:51:54.680] all up to Steed um great cost usually to [00:51:58.720] yourself and your family and [00:52:01.440] uh the finances and everything because [00:52:04.960] what happened to me on um we’re just [00:52:09.000] having a heavy shower of rain it’s [00:52:10.359] unusual I was wondering what the sound [00:52:12.200] was there making it hard to hear that [00:52:13.880] song that’s okay now we’ll got you um [00:52:16.319] anyway uh yes where was I oh talking [00:52:20.119] about what happened when you came back [00:52:22.000] again yes [00:52:24.359] um see it seems to be a group of people [00:52:27.440] on this planet that um want to make life [00:52:30.119] difficult for anybody that that cares to [00:52:31.960] tell the truth to to to their neighbors [00:52:34.559] if you like um to follow humans and uh I [00:52:38.200] I met up with a group of very nasty [00:52:41.400] people that seemed to know more about my [00:52:43.480] adventure than I did and their first [00:52:47.920] maneuver was to try and extract [00:52:49.680] information from me any way they could [00:52:51.680] even basically lying about their [00:52:53.920] identity and and who they represented [00:52:57.200] found you know I soon found out that [00:52:59.319] that they couldn’t be who they said they [00:53:00.680] were and uh and then when I wasn’t [00:53:03.880] forthcoming with any [00:53:05.880] information they proceeded then to try [00:53:08.480] and make sure that I didn’t talk to [00:53:09.839] anyone else about it um and they [00:53:13.040] threatened me in no un certain manner [00:53:15.040] both physically and and mentally and [00:53:17.400] this is in nice quiet New Zealand this [00:53:19.640] is yes yes it’s it’s I I was I was [00:53:23.920] living in a third world country to tell [00:53:25.520] you the truth there they were new [00:53:27.040] zealanders they weren’t Men In Black [00:53:29.040] with um American accents or anything [00:53:31.280] well one of them had an a British accent [00:53:33.400] for sure and it would appear that he he [00:53:36.319] was working for a UK based um covert [00:53:41.040] agency which very very little very few [00:53:44.640] people know about and it’s not MI6 it’s [00:53:47.160] beyond that I think and uh he was in [00:53:50.079] perhaps escorted or in collusion with [00:53:53.200] with some form of um operation in New [00:53:57.400] Zealand which were probably um just [00:54:00.440] backing them up with Manpower I guess [00:54:02.240] they wouldn’t know too much about what [00:54:03.599] was going on but anyway the these people [00:54:06.920] um were not [00:54:09.040] nice that would be the politest thing I [00:54:11.280] could say yeah um did they ever threaten [00:54:14.079] you outright well they they actually [00:54:17.079] threatened my family and um and me [00:54:19.920] physically they they actually beat me up [00:54:21.680] at one stage [00:54:23.020] [Music] [00:54:24.920] um and and then when that didn’t work [00:54:27.760] they um blackmailed me basically or [00:54:30.280] tried to used extortion and and they [00:54:32.839] ended up by Framing me in in a in a in [00:54:36.640] some sort of um what you call a criminal [00:54:41.920] sort of um charge they they conceived to [00:54:46.480] to to draw out of a hat like a magician [00:54:49.720] and and the rabbit yeah the trumped up [00:54:52.040] charges as we yes and um but but that [00:54:55.559] wasn’t enough for them I mean the the [00:54:57.359] threat of saying well if you don’t [00:54:59.119] cooperate we’re going to send you to [00:55:00.880] jail um I was quite prepared to to to [00:55:03.880] wear that but you weren’t you weren’t [00:55:05.640] writing you weren’t speaking out of the [00:55:07.280] I hadn’t at that stage but so why were [00:55:09.440] they being so heavy I wonder well of [00:55:11.119] course every time they made it made life [00:55:13.799] more and more difficult for me the more [00:55:16.319] resigned I was the fact that I was going [00:55:18.000] to have to talk about this publicly and [00:55:21.319] uh I think they were scared that I had [00:55:23.960] information a little bit like Steven GR [00:55:26.720] that that that could be of embarrassment [00:55:28.559] to them um for instance you you’re not [00:55:31.680] supposed to be allowed to have friendly [00:55:33.160] interactions with extraterrestrials that [00:55:35.359] that was a definitely a no no oh none of [00:55:38.319] us realized that I didn’t realize that [00:55:40.319] you weren’t supposed to so if you see an [00:55:41.880] extr terrest you say go away the [00:55:44.280] government doesn’t like me talking to [00:55:45.799] you the only s to have scary [00:55:48.520] interaction frightening and um so [00:55:51.440] there’s a story building there which [00:55:53.480] Steven GRE touches on in in in this [00:55:55.839] disclos project too which is that um [00:55:58.760] maybe in a in a very short space of time [00:56:01.119] in the next few years we we may well [00:56:03.240] have some um alien visitors which are [00:56:06.640] nasty little fellows and they’re going [00:56:08.520] to blow the human race up oh yeah well [00:56:10.319] that’s the whole movement is I just [00:56:11.880] heard by the way this morning I just [00:56:13.280] heard this morning that uh there can be [00:56:15.079] some Disclosure by the French government [00:56:16.680] on the way they have they have actually [00:56:18.920] opened up some of their books but it’s [00:56:20.960] very superficial stuff at this stage but [00:56:22.960] anyway it’s a stu it’s a St there there [00:56:26.839] there there still is a very strong group [00:56:29.839] of people on this planet that want to [00:56:31.160] keep a lid on all of this stuff yeah and [00:56:33.599] they can’t have Road people like me [00:56:35.160] roaming around talking about it even if [00:56:37.079] I don’t know anything they they CU they [00:56:38.839] didn’t know how much I knew so they were [00:56:41.079] being safe if you like whether he knows [00:56:43.480] an in or not shut him up so did you get [00:56:45.319] whipped off and told you know how much [00:56:47.520] did they try to question you or anything [00:56:49.640] like that oh well I mean I had [00:56:51.960] interrogations in jail afterwards and [00:56:54.240] but but the thing was before they [00:56:55.920] actually stuck me in jail is that they [00:56:58.359] took 2 years to do it Barry it was [00:57:00.640] extortion it was like this is going to [00:57:02.880] happen to you and and I can tell you [00:57:04.880] living under that threat is the worst [00:57:07.200] thing that I have ever suffered in my [00:57:09.520] life knowing that the guillotine is [00:57:11.799] going to fall but not knowing when it it [00:57:15.280] takes away all the pleasure of life um [00:57:18.559] it wasn’t one day that I could have a a [00:57:23.280] nice if you like if something nice was [00:57:25.760] happening to me in the back of my mind [00:57:28.079] always was oh hell you know I’ve got [00:57:30.960] this to contend with yet and but that’s [00:57:32.880] the sort of D principle isn’t it you [00:57:35.359] know make you frightened and keep you [00:57:37.000] under control through fear and of course [00:57:39.640] all the time they were saying this will [00:57:41.119] go away if you just do this or just do [00:57:43.200] that or just shut up or don’t say [00:57:44.640] anything or just sign here or come and [00:57:47.119] have a a military debriefing and and and [00:57:49.599] we’ll own your story and and you won’t [00:57:52.319] be able to talk to anyone about it that [00:57:53.799] was the which which explains of course [00:57:55.720] why uh so many other people don’t speak [00:57:58.520] out well yes and and and I feel a little [00:58:01.839] guilty when I wrote Co Evolution I left [00:58:03.760] the N real nasty stuff out I mean it’s [00:58:06.319] bad enough stuff in there as it is but I [00:58:08.440] left the beatings and and the and the [00:58:10.680] threats to family out of that yes I [00:58:13.839] really felt how no one is going to talk [00:58:16.240] about this if they know what I’m going [00:58:18.280] through I mean it would just scare [00:58:20.000] everyone off yes and I thought well it’s [00:58:22.640] up to people to make their own mind up [00:58:25.240] at the time at the the moment if if they [00:58:28.440] they want to contend with this or they [00:58:29.960] want to fight it or if they want to talk [00:58:31.599] about it I didn’t want to put them off [00:58:33.640] before they even got near the subject [00:58:36.559] you know yeah so I feel a little guilty [00:58:39.200] about not disclosing the the hardships [00:58:42.359] after the fact but um well it was a [00:58:44.520] conscious decision yes um I mean so what [00:58:48.680] what what about when the book came out [00:58:50.559] did that produce any kind of reaction no [00:58:54.520] um funnily enough [00:58:56.880] uh you might ask Duncan RH Nexus [00:58:59.760] magazine about this because when he [00:59:01.760] published a few chapters um prior to the [00:59:05.280] to the publishing of the book itself he [00:59:08.280] told me that that was his Consignment to [00:59:11.079] the printer that for that month’s [00:59:13.799] edition of Nexus was [00:59:16.319] intercepted at at in The Courier bag all [00:59:20.319] the editorial material was stolen out of [00:59:22.400] it the first time that’s ever happened [00:59:24.240] to him really was that [00:59:26.599] all the editorial material out of NEX [00:59:28.359] for NEX Nexus magazine was listed out of [00:59:30.799] a courier bag and he doesn’t even know [00:59:33.440] now how that could have happened no no [00:59:35.720] no that was before my association with [00:59:37.440] Duncan so I haven’t heard that story [00:59:39.200] that’s very inter that to me I don’t [00:59:41.039] it’s not been published as such but um [00:59:43.640] so someone was certainly very interested [00:59:45.760] in what I was going to get published in [00:59:47.720] Nexus or or or the book because this was [00:59:50.160] an excerpt out of the book indeed but [00:59:52.720] then just before that again um Duncan [00:59:55.680] invited me to talk at one of his Nexus [00:59:57.920] conferences in 1996 I think it was and [01:00:03.799] um by that stage I I had a criminal [01:00:06.920] conviction thank to our little cover [01:00:09.200] friends and so I would have needed a [01:00:11.799] visa to to visit Australia normally as [01:00:14.440] you might know new zealanders don’t need [01:00:16.240] visas to visit Australia no but if you [01:00:18.440] have a criminal conviction of course you [01:00:20.200] would have to get one of course so I [01:00:22.440] applied for one and they wouldn’t give [01:00:23.839] me one I said no you can’t you cannot [01:00:26.920] travel to Australia oh mate you’re [01:00:28.680] dangerous you talk to [01:00:31.359] extraterrestrial anyway I’m probably [01:00:33.119] going to be in trouble just for talking [01:00:34.319] to you don’t think so I think the on the [01:00:38.240] brid since then and well Steven GRE I [01:00:40.559] think I feel a bit safer now that he’s [01:00:42.680] on board anyway no they wouldn’t even [01:00:44.880] let me travel to Australia um Duncan had [01:00:47.559] to ride a five page um [01:00:51.520] um five pages a bing letter to the [01:00:54.920] Australian consulate please L come and [01:00:57.280] visit um and speak at our conference and [01:01:00.000] they ended up giving me a I don’t know a [01:01:02.160] 10day business Visa or something made [01:01:04.760] sure I wasn’t going to be in Australia [01:01:06.079] for very long exactly oh yes yes you [01:01:08.680] could have been the downfall of the [01:01:09.799] country Alec if you need proof that that [01:01:12.680] government agencies are and cohorts here [01:01:15.640] and uh and uh keeping people quiet and [01:01:19.000] that that’s that’s one [01:01:20.920] provable that’s one section of of this [01:01:23.440] adventure all right turn now 10 years on [01:01:26.200] the book’s been out you’re into [01:01:28.319] coevolution 2 how has it changed your [01:01:31.680] life when you look back can you put that [01:01:34.480] in a in a sort of a nutshell oh [01:01:39.160] totally um yes I I’m I’m not so focused [01:01:44.119] on material on the material world [01:01:46.720] anymore I guess bar I’m I’m excited to [01:01:49.720] find out that I have an eternal soul and [01:01:52.119] that I’ll never die and that what I’m [01:01:54.200] learning here is not about how much [01:01:55.960] money I can make and how many chaples I [01:01:58.000] can acre what I’m learning here is is [01:02:00.799] how to live a decent life and it it just [01:02:03.359] puts different values into into into [01:02:05.920] your thoughts and uh and you want to do [01:02:08.559] different things and I I don’t I can’t [01:02:11.760] quite explain it but it’s just a whole [01:02:13.720] new philosophy of life and um and I wish [01:02:17.799] that if everybody could have had this [01:02:19.960] experience every person on Earth would [01:02:22.079] have a different philosophy of life and [01:02:24.279] what a wonderful planet we would have if [01:02:26.200] we we weren’t trying to be each other [01:02:27.799] over the head to to grab the shiniest [01:02:30.400] ball or something exactly what what a [01:02:33.319] contact after that you I mean you you [01:02:35.440] disappeared for 10 days and then you had [01:02:38.000] this amazing uh trip to another world [01:02:41.000] had this contact and you seem to be left [01:02:43.480] alone after that have you had any [01:02:45.319] further contact no I think that whatever [01:02:48.480] the deal I’ve made with this group of of [01:02:51.119] people um that that that honored that [01:02:54.279] deal that they whatever they needed from [01:02:57.359] me they got or whatever I needed from [01:02:59.559] them I got and that was [01:03:01.920] Enlightenment um and I think I guess [01:03:04.760] that’s that’s the end of that chapter [01:03:06.799] that’s it so you don’t feel used and [01:03:08.000] abused or anything like that big a [01:03:09.680] pardon you don’t feel used and abused oh [01:03:12.000] no only only by the downside of it on on [01:03:15.279] this planet when I got back I’ve [01:03:16.920] definitely been used and abused but not [01:03:19.119] by anything off planet um no I I feel [01:03:23.160] that they’ve given me a gift this gift [01:03:25.359] to understand who I am and a little bit [01:03:27.680] more about the physicality of the human [01:03:29.440] body that I could never have learned on [01:03:31.200] planet Earth and or L perhaps I had gone [01:03:34.720] up to Tibet and sat with a monk for [01:03:36.640] about 20 years or something I might have [01:03:38.279] learned a little bit about it but this [01:03:39.760] was a this the best one yeah yeah fair [01:03:42.559] enough all right so Co evolition 2 is is [01:03:45.440] in the uh in the melting part at the [01:03:47.359] moment when can we look forward to [01:03:48.720] seeing that well it’s going to be a [01:03:50.760] while Barry I um have a drawing to go to [01:03:53.960] Mexico and South and Central America in [01:03:56.520] the next few months and the next half of [01:03:59.119] this year I I think there’s something I [01:04:01.559] need to see there I don’t quite know [01:04:03.160] what it is yet but um so I’ll finish [01:04:05.240] writing coevolution 2 when I get back [01:04:08.200] from there so probably be looking at [01:04:10.319] another 12 months down the line fair [01:04:12.559] enough well if something happens in um [01:04:15.559] in in South America there we expect you [01:04:17.839] to come on the program and tell [01:04:20.400] us Wonder in doing so though as long as [01:04:23.279] I’m still here in the physical that’s [01:04:25.079] right that’s true now and co co [01:04:27.240] Evolution one is that readily available [01:04:28.920] still you can get it from Duncan roads [01:04:31.400] at Nexus magazine I’m sure he still has [01:04:33.440] a few copies lying around there um be [01:04:36.799] the best way I think they’re [01:04:38.440] occasionally available secondhand on [01:04:40.920] Amazon um the online bookstore but [01:04:43.680] definitely get them from Duncan Road [01:04:45.279] from dunan Road at NEX all right great [01:04:47.559] Alec it’s been wonderful talking to you [01:04:49.440] and and sharing your amazing journey and [01:04:51.960] and uh really you know the book goes [01:04:54.160] into far far more detail I can only [01:04:56.200] recommend that to those people who want [01:04:57.400] to find out more about it but great to [01:04:59.000] talk to you and and as I said we expect [01:05:01.319] to hear from you after South America if [01:05:03.520] if something really wonderful happens [01:05:05.520] it’s been a very great pleasure Barry [01:05:07.640] thank you very much for giving me the [01:05:09.599] opportunity Al like n and his book [01:05:13.119] coevolution is available through Nexus [01:05:16.559] magazine so if you want to get a hold of [01:05:18.799] a copy of it Duncan roads at Nexus [01:05:20.640] magazine the editor there is the uh the [01:05:22.680] person to contact or any of the the [01:05:24.200] Nexus people Nexus [01:05:26.599] magazine.com auu is their website and of [01:05:29.359] course we do the radio program as well [01:05:30.880] radi nexus.com so have a have a listen [01:05:34.319] to that at some stage thanks for your [01:05:35.839] company next week Broadway producer [01:05:39.359] turned spiritual teacher an amazing [01:05:42.960] journey the story of Walter starky [01:05:45.440] that’s next on radio out there have a [01:05:49.279] great week and I’ll catch you next time [01:05:51.400] thanks for your company bye now [01:05:54.010] [Music] [01:06:06.470] [Music]