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reid-mysterywire-knapp-interview-2019-01-23

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Sen. Harry Reid — unedited interview with George Knapp (Mystery Wire), Jan 23, 2019

[00:00:00.560] let’s talk about our uh our favorite [00:00:02.159] topic so you and i had an interview um [00:00:04.720] uh 13 months ago and it made [00:00:07.279] international news [00:00:08.639] and i i wanted to ask you on camera for [00:00:11.519] the first time about what it’s been like [00:00:13.440] since then you had said you were getting [00:00:15.040] calls from [00:00:16.080] former senate colleagues who were [00:00:17.680] interested has that continued [00:00:20.240] well i’ve always believed that [00:00:23.439] where there’s something you don’t [00:00:24.640] understand you should study it [00:00:27.599] i think where we as a country have not [00:00:30.880] lived up to what i believe the [00:00:33.440] expectations of american people [00:00:36.000] we have some unknown things [00:00:39.280] that we we have some things we don’t [00:00:40.719] understand and we’re not doing nearly [00:00:43.440] enough to study them [00:00:45.200] i was fortunate when i was in the senate [00:00:47.600] i got a lot of money [00:00:49.120] to study uh these [00:00:52.239] unidentified flying objects it was [00:00:55.120] really good for the country [00:00:56.960] but it’s gone now we’re not studying it [00:00:59.280] and [00:01:00.960] we’re now having more sightings than we [00:01:04.080] had before the reason we’re having more [00:01:05.680] sightings is because [00:01:07.200] some of the pilots are unafraid now they [00:01:09.040] come forward and talking about it [00:01:10.799] which they didn’t have before they were [00:01:12.080] afraid they were hurting their [00:01:13.360] promotions [00:01:14.479] so i do believe that there’s a lot more [00:01:16.960] work needs to be done in this i’m [00:01:19.920] disappointed that more is not being done [00:01:21.600] now to washington [00:01:22.960] you and i were on a phone call last year [00:01:25.280] with one [00:01:26.000] of your former colleagues in the senate [00:01:27.840] and uh gave him sort of a download on [00:01:29.840] this [00:01:30.159] and it it’s amazing to me how little uh [00:01:34.000] is known about the topic among among [00:01:36.799] people at that level they just don’t pay [00:01:38.400] attention to it [00:01:40.000] well people are afraid to [00:01:44.320] deal with things they don’t understand [00:01:47.520] i always kind of like to do that [00:01:50.640] because i believe that you know you have [00:01:53.520] a capacity as a [00:01:54.640] legislator that you should do what [00:01:58.320] they would do your constituents if they [00:02:01.119] were in your position [00:02:02.640] so i know there are a lot of people [00:02:04.159] concerned about doing more work on this [00:02:06.560] but there’s nothing being done [00:02:08.239] and that is unfortunate have you had any [00:02:10.160] success in getting the attention [00:02:11.920] of other members of the senate or [00:02:13.840] congress or their staff in taking a look [00:02:16.080] at this issue [00:02:17.200] yes i have had some look at it [00:02:21.120] but the attention span seems to be [00:02:22.800] fairly limited [00:02:24.319] and that’s my concern to to really get [00:02:26.959] into this [00:02:28.000] you have to be in it for the duration [00:02:31.040] that is don’t do it today do it tomorrow [00:02:34.720] and do it [00:02:36.319] tomorrow’s after that that’s the only [00:02:38.400] way we can find out [00:02:39.599] what’s going on by being silent and [00:02:42.640] doing nothing for research [00:02:44.560] we’re accomplishing nothing except [00:02:46.720] confusion [00:02:48.080] i think people forget that there are [00:02:49.519] limits on your legal [00:02:51.360] ability the rules about you lobbying [00:02:54.400] um your former colleagues that’s changed [00:02:56.879] right if that’s changed i [00:02:58.879] have no problem with uh [00:03:02.000] doing that and i’ve done my best to [00:03:04.239] alert people to it even when [00:03:06.000] we’re in that period of [00:03:10.000] the rule law that you can’t lobby [00:03:13.280] that didn’t stop me from saying anything [00:03:14.720] i wanted here and that’s what i did and [00:03:16.640] that [00:03:16.959] information gets to my colleagues for [00:03:19.599] it’s always been with this issue [00:03:21.360] ufos that there’s always something more [00:03:23.200] pressing for people [00:03:24.480] in the senate in in the house and right [00:03:26.720] now the shutdown [00:03:27.840] i think would be taking the precedent [00:03:29.360] george i’m not sure it’s uh [00:03:33.840] something more pressing i think it’s an [00:03:35.760] issue that [00:03:37.120] people do not want to deal with it [00:03:40.319] if the rule in government is if you [00:03:42.239] haven’t done it before [00:03:44.159] don’t do it now and i believe we haven’t [00:03:47.440] done [00:03:48.080] the research on this in the past we need [00:03:50.799] to do it now [00:03:51.840] and we’ve only done a little tiny bit [00:03:54.480] and there’s so much more needs to be [00:03:56.080] done [00:03:56.720] and i have found in my circulation here [00:03:59.519] in nevada [00:04:00.640] people come up all the time say boy i’m [00:04:03.280] so glad that you looked into this [00:04:05.040] and they are you know i hear from people [00:04:08.879] and i’ve had arguments with them about [00:04:10.640] your interest in the topic and people [00:04:12.400] will say ah that’s not real harry reid [00:04:14.400] doesn’t seem like a ufo guy [00:04:16.239] and i tell him harry reid has had an [00:04:18.720] interest in this for decades [00:04:20.400] and you have you’ve helped me a lot and [00:04:22.479] uh and you’ve had an [00:04:24.720] even if it’s just your own curiosity [00:04:26.560] you’ve been interested in this for a [00:04:27.919] long time [00:04:29.520] yeah i received a phone call from [00:04:33.440] someone here in nevada [00:04:35.520] many years ago and he said i got this [00:04:38.240] letter [00:04:39.759] i’m going to send it to you and you sent [00:04:41.199] it to me with a courier [00:04:43.120] it was from a government agency [00:04:46.639] and they wanted to go [00:04:50.720] look at some of this man’s property [00:04:53.840] and they did it and that was where my [00:04:57.600] uh focus really became determined [00:05:01.919] this is something we need to take a look [00:05:03.600] at i don’t know and [00:05:05.759] whenever i have an interview i say if [00:05:08.639] you want to talk about [00:05:10.160] scientifically i’ll do it if you hear it [00:05:12.320] talk about little green men [00:05:13.840] don’t bother coming to me and the first [00:05:16.240] long interview i had [00:05:18.240] was new york times and i told that woman [00:05:20.639] that exact [00:05:22.479] those exact words and she lived up to it [00:05:25.759] her long long article that created a lot [00:05:28.479] of interest around the world [00:05:30.400] was one where uh she talked about [00:05:34.000] science and why aren’t we doing more and [00:05:35.840] that’s something i still [00:05:38.080] am frustrated about you’ve used that [00:05:40.479] quote about [00:05:41.360] you’re not sure that there are little [00:05:42.800] green men you don’t necessarily believe [00:05:44.320] in that [00:05:44.960] we don’t know fact is we don’t know what [00:05:46.639] it is right or where they’re from [00:05:48.400] we do not know what what i have [00:05:52.000] learned is you cannot just hide your [00:05:55.520] head and say it does [00:05:57.199] these things aren’t happening we have [00:05:59.199] military installations [00:06:00.880] where hundreds and hundreds of people [00:06:02.639] who are there [00:06:04.400] see these things we have [00:06:09.360] you can’t just [00:06:12.639] throw away the [00:06:16.160] view of hundreds of people and you build [00:06:19.280] it up over the years it’s thousands of [00:06:20.800] people [00:06:21.520] they see things and [00:06:26.479] the man that wrote me a letter [00:06:30.319] was a physicist a phd and he said [00:06:35.440] i know about rockets where they came [00:06:37.199] from how they are now [00:06:39.120] what they’re going to be in the future [00:06:40.800] but if all these sightings [00:06:43.280] we do not have vehicles that a human [00:06:45.440] being could live in them [00:06:46.960] with with these starting and stopping [00:06:50.160] so i can’t imagine why it isn’t [00:06:53.520] something we should be [00:06:54.720] concerned about because i’ll bet you [00:06:57.759] anything [00:06:58.880] that china’s spending some money [00:07:00.720] checking this out [00:07:02.080] i’ll bet you anything kgb putin [00:07:05.360] is spending some money checking this out [00:07:08.720] um and what we should be doing rather [00:07:10.880] than hiding from each other [00:07:12.319] we should be working in cooperation with [00:07:14.080] each other because it’s a worldwide [00:07:16.080] phenomenon and we should all be [00:07:18.479] interested in it [00:07:20.000] you know the pentagon has files there [00:07:21.919] are additional files and reports that [00:07:24.240] were compiled as part of the study that [00:07:26.000] you initiated [00:07:27.919] did you get very deep into that stuff do [00:07:29.759] you read it [00:07:30.960] are you aware of how deep it goes or [00:07:32.720] what’s in it um [00:07:34.400] i didn’t read all of it my staff did and [00:07:36.160] i spent a lot of time my staff going [00:07:37.759] over what was in that [00:07:39.280] it was quite a lot of material so for me [00:07:41.680] to tell you i read every word of it [00:07:43.440] if somebody saw that stack of paper they [00:07:45.120] said well i’m not sure he’s telling the [00:07:46.479] truth [00:07:47.120] so truthfully yes i had two staff people [00:07:50.319] that worked this issue [00:07:51.280] a lot and we spent a lot of time [00:07:54.240] together [00:07:54.960] and what jumps out at you i mean is [00:07:57.039] there substantial [00:07:58.560] information and documentation in those [00:08:00.400] reports [00:08:01.680] in my opinion this is something that we [00:08:04.800] should be studying [00:08:06.400] and as i said it’s a worldwide [00:08:08.560] phenomenon [00:08:09.840] not just here in the united states there [00:08:12.479] are certain places we really don’t [00:08:13.759] understand why [00:08:14.960] that there’s more occurrences [00:08:18.160] and have been over a long long time [00:08:20.960] there are different parts of the world [00:08:22.400] even [00:08:23.039] where there are a lot of these [00:08:24.560] occurrences occur [00:08:26.400] um but we don’t we haven’t done enough [00:08:30.400] about it [00:08:30.960] i mean i think we should have [00:08:32.080] congressional hearings on it i think we [00:08:34.159] should [00:08:34.880] um i think the defense department should [00:08:36.959] be looking into this [00:08:38.159] i think that they [00:08:41.680] science and technology we have we have [00:08:44.320] an office of science [00:08:45.920] they should be looking into some of this [00:08:47.440] stuff asking congress for money to do it [00:08:50.160] do you happen to know or how would you [00:08:52.000] characterize the level of interest on [00:08:53.920] capitol hill we’ve heard [00:08:56.000] sorted reports about witnesses pilots [00:08:58.560] and and such [00:08:59.680] appearing before senate staffers armed [00:09:02.320] services [00:09:03.040] giving testimony about what they’ve seen [00:09:05.360] is there to your knowledge i know i’ve [00:09:08.160] asked [00:09:09.600] members of the senate to take a look at [00:09:12.560] some of the stuff their staff has seen [00:09:14.720] i’ve got no reports they’ve done that [00:09:16.399] yet um [00:09:17.760] which is too bad it is an air it is a it [00:09:20.959] is a subject people are afraid of [00:09:23.519] they do not want their constituents to [00:09:26.399] say what why is he spending his time on [00:09:28.080] that [00:09:28.720] as you know and you’ve talked earlier in [00:09:30.560] this interview [00:09:32.000] some people say why is reid doing this [00:09:34.480] what [00:09:35.120] he didn’t know anything about science [00:09:37.279] why i’m doing it out of [00:09:38.720] sheer curiosity you’re right i never [00:09:41.680] took a physics course in high school [00:09:43.519] or college i never took a trigonometry [00:09:46.160] course [00:09:46.800] i’m not great at math um [00:09:50.080] they didn’t give me a much of a [00:09:51.519] background in searchlight to [00:09:53.600] do that stuff but uh i am terribly [00:09:57.279] curious and interested and i wish more [00:09:59.279] people were [00:10:00.720] i’ve just to share with you a letter [00:10:02.480] this was released made public a week ago [00:10:04.320] through a freedom of information act [00:10:05.920] request [00:10:06.480] it was a request filed by your friend [00:10:08.640] john mccain [00:10:09.600] last year he asked for a list of all the [00:10:13.680] reports generated by the study that you [00:10:15.519] sponsored [00:10:16.640] did you ever talk to john mccain about [00:10:18.079] typical john mccain [00:10:20.079] um he was head of the armed services [00:10:22.320] committee [00:10:23.760] and he knew everything was going on in [00:10:25.760] the country he was tireless in his work [00:10:28.560] how he he you know he died as he was [00:10:31.440] about 80. [00:10:32.720] but every weekend he went someplace [00:10:35.760] as part of his job overseas um [00:10:39.120] sure john knew what i was doing i mean [00:10:42.079] he didn’t [00:10:43.920] hide the fact that he was interested [00:10:45.440] also that’s why [00:10:47.120] that’s why he wrote the letter the the [00:10:49.760] reports that were listed that were [00:10:51.279] produced by that study there’s 38 of [00:10:53.440] them listed there they’re very [00:10:55.120] far out technology uh ideas what [00:10:57.680] technology would be like but they’ve [00:10:59.200] also [00:11:00.160] they blacked out some of the stuff in [00:11:02.480] the reports [00:11:04.720] here’s one of them for example this is a [00:11:06.480] study produced by [00:11:08.320] dr william culberth at unlv uh it’s a [00:11:11.839] detecting hypersonic vehicles which you [00:11:14.320] could understand [00:11:15.120] well the detection system would tell us [00:11:16.720] about ufos but could also tell us about [00:11:19.040] russian missiles that might be coming [00:11:20.399] our way [00:11:20.880] i mean there’s practical benefits to [00:11:22.399] these kinds of studies of course [00:11:27.519] you had given an interview uh last march [00:11:30.880] to a print journalist and talked about [00:11:32.800] the files and studies that had been [00:11:34.959] produced by [00:11:36.160] the program that you initiated not being [00:11:38.560] released [00:11:39.760] does it bother you that that information [00:11:41.519] is still being kept secret well i [00:11:43.200] i think that the purpose my purpose was [00:11:47.120] to learn more about this [00:11:49.440] and it’s clearly evident to me [00:11:53.279] that my learning more about it doesn’t [00:11:54.800] solve the problem [00:11:56.320] a lot of people should do this i would i [00:11:58.240] i think the study [00:11:59.440] for made public would draw attention [00:12:01.760] from academics at the university level [00:12:04.079] and i think that’s where we need to go [00:12:06.000] it doesn’t look like there’s any [00:12:07.519] uh great interest on the part of the [00:12:09.200] pentagon to release this stuff though [00:12:12.399] well the pentagon is a very very large [00:12:14.399] bureaucracy [00:12:15.760] and they’ve got a lot of things to deal [00:12:17.120] with and they don’t want something new [00:12:18.240] to deal with [00:12:19.680] you’ve seen the statements from the [00:12:21.120] pentagon about the end of [00:12:23.120] the program the study that was out here [00:12:24.800] in nevada based here in nevada [00:12:26.560] they said basically it ended because [00:12:28.800] they found nothing of interest [00:12:30.480] what do you think about that well maybe [00:12:33.600] they didn’t read the report [00:12:36.079] i mean it was a it was a [00:12:39.519] voluminous report with lots of good [00:12:42.720] stuff in it [00:12:43.920] and um that’s too bad they said that you [00:12:47.120] you just say that is false that it [00:12:48.880] didn’t oh yeah no question about it [00:12:50.320] there’s no question about it that [00:12:52.160] that letter is was written by somebody [00:12:54.639] that either [00:12:55.519] wasn’t telling the truth or didn’t know [00:12:57.200] the facts 2009 [00:12:59.279] you read wrote a letter to the secretary [00:13:01.519] of defense in which you [00:13:03.040] said we’d like to make this into a [00:13:05.279] special access [00:13:06.079] program we’ve got great stuff we’re [00:13:08.639] making great progress [00:13:09.839] we want to continue what was the [00:13:12.079] intention with making it into a special [00:13:14.320] access program [00:13:15.839] well there are certain things that we [00:13:18.160] had learned in our [00:13:20.240] work that there were places that we [00:13:22.560] needed to go [00:13:23.839] that people had certain things equipment [00:13:26.639] and other stuff [00:13:27.600] that we needed to see and you couldn’t [00:13:29.279] do it unless you got [00:13:30.720] clearance from the pentagon and they [00:13:32.480] wouldn’t give it to us [00:13:34.079] it suggests that maybe there are other [00:13:36.160] studies or programs that [00:13:37.760] uh that might shed light on this one [00:13:39.760] other programs that have been [00:13:43.519] done and information they have including [00:13:46.800] different um [00:13:48.480] pieces of evidence do you know what [00:13:51.440] those [00:13:51.920] pieces are no um [00:13:55.120] i’ve just only heard rumors and i’m [00:13:56.560] going to get into rumors but that’s why [00:13:58.160] i wanted [00:13:59.040] the special access to go there if i [00:14:01.760] couldn’t go and send my staff to look at [00:14:03.519] it [00:14:03.920] i’ve heard people say harry reid wanted [00:14:06.160] to turn this into a special access [00:14:07.760] program so it had no oversight [00:14:09.440] you’d take all that information to make [00:14:11.279] it secret [00:14:12.250] [Music] [00:14:13.600] that was not the intention though right [00:14:14.880] does not make it secret well here [00:14:16.880] here’s what everyone should appreciate [00:14:20.399] there are certain things that need not [00:14:23.279] have [00:14:29.519] everything being made public certain [00:14:32.000] things [00:14:33.760] end by having too much publicity my [00:14:36.800] thought was let’s see if we can keep [00:14:39.760] this so that there’s not a lot of [00:14:42.839] um publicity on it [00:14:45.199] and let’s find out if we get some facts [00:14:47.360] and if we have some facts that are [00:14:48.480] decent then we turn over to the public [00:14:50.320] but in the meantime i think what we do [00:14:52.560] is hurt ourselves [00:14:54.560] you know i’m familiar with some of what [00:14:56.480] the bass [00:14:58.240] study was able to do in the couple of [00:15:00.399] years [00:15:01.279] i think about if they had been allowed [00:15:02.959] to continue how far along they would be [00:15:04.959] now [00:15:05.360] i mean you know we we [00:15:09.519] as a country or [00:15:15.600] we as a country are certainly not doing [00:15:18.160] what we should do [00:15:19.680] this is an area that is important to not [00:15:22.079] only our country but to the world [00:15:24.079] and i know that other countries are [00:15:26.639] doing [00:15:27.680] more than we’re doing and i think that [00:15:29.519] um that’s not good [00:15:32.320] there are those who think we’re on the [00:15:33.680] edge of disclosure that any day now [00:15:35.839] they’re going to open up the doors and [00:15:37.600] show us the saucers or open the files uh [00:15:40.720] i’m not as encouraged what about you [00:15:42.560] well i don’t think i’m even close to [00:15:44.240] that i think [00:15:45.040] until before we get to [00:15:48.959] that i think we need to do a little work [00:15:51.440] and we’re not doing enough scientific [00:15:53.360] research [00:15:55.279] and there are people hungry to do that [00:15:58.480] we have academics who are trained in all [00:16:00.800] the sciences [00:16:02.800] a grant to a college would be a [00:16:04.480] tremendous help [00:16:07.279] they could put it out to bid you know [00:16:09.199] like they do find out [00:16:10.560] who would who would do the best job but [00:16:13.279] the way it is now we’re [00:16:14.560] doing nothing you you’ve said about [00:16:17.680] you don’t think it’s little green men [00:16:19.440] and we had a lot of speculation about [00:16:21.920] where these vehicles are [00:16:23.279] are from they’re far more advanced than [00:16:25.040] anything known to us [00:16:26.959] is it possible that nobody really [00:16:28.480] there’s no one who knows the ultimate [00:16:30.000] answer what’s what the i think is now [00:16:31.839] and the [00:16:32.240] reason i’m so terribly interested in [00:16:35.680] this [00:16:36.160] because i don’t think no one has the [00:16:38.560] answers [00:16:39.279] and that is too bad because there are [00:16:41.360] answers out there [00:16:42.639] but they’re not going to get answers [00:16:43.759] just by hoping they come they can have [00:16:45.680] to take some work [00:16:48.399] the idea of disclosure or have you had [00:16:51.360] conversations with colleagues about the [00:16:53.440] wisdom of [00:16:54.320] letting all this loose is the public [00:16:56.079] ready for it [00:16:57.600] depends on what it is i guess i don’t [00:17:00.000] think that [00:17:00.639] congress can make this decision on their [00:17:02.480] own they could try to pass a law but [00:17:04.799] that would create a lot more problems [00:17:06.319] that [00:17:07.280] would solve because of big public debate [00:17:09.360] on this i don’t think at this stage [00:17:10.559] would do a lot of good [00:17:12.640] pentagon needs to get somebody within [00:17:15.600] the pentagon [00:17:16.480] that’s willing to do something that’s a [00:17:18.559] little different [00:17:19.679] you know there are multiple interests [00:17:21.199] there as as you learned with your [00:17:23.199] program there are [00:17:24.240] a variety of reasons why people would [00:17:25.919] oppose it religious grounds [00:17:27.760] or they just didn’t want to spend the [00:17:29.120] money or i [00:17:31.200] i don’t know maybe some people are [00:17:32.400] worried about the topic you know it’s [00:17:33.679] unbelievable [00:17:35.039] uh the military helped develop a i call [00:17:38.240] it a big x-ray machine [00:17:39.760] from an airplane you look see what’s in [00:17:41.840] the ground [00:17:43.039] archaeologists anthropologists have been [00:17:45.360] complaining [00:17:46.160] that’s unfair that’s not the way to get [00:17:48.480] things [00:17:49.440] done they want to go chop up like [00:17:52.720] chop up the jungle i guess [00:17:55.840] and that’s the same thing we’re having [00:17:57.520] here it’s people [00:17:59.120] don’t like to do things that are new and [00:18:00.640] different well that would include some [00:18:02.960] of the pentagon who opposed [00:18:04.480] your program for sure um [00:18:08.000] it would seem to me that even if [00:18:09.440] somebody in congress could get a new [00:18:11.280] program going they would still face a [00:18:13.120] lot of opposition [00:18:14.000] to it that there are those who don’t [00:18:15.840] want to go down this road this kind of [00:18:17.520] level of inquiry [00:18:21.840] there’s a rule in government if it [00:18:23.679] hasn’t been done before [00:18:25.600] we’re not going to do it now and that’s [00:18:28.799] admonition and certainly throughout the [00:18:32.000] pentagon and most levels of congress [00:18:36.080] are you amazed by the level of media [00:18:38.000] interest that your comments [00:18:40.400] tiny comments even one sentence line [00:18:42.720] would go all over the world so quickly [00:18:45.440] yeah i frankly was kind of surprised but [00:18:48.080] i was [00:18:48.720] satisfied when that first article was [00:18:51.520] written in the new york times [00:18:53.600] that the woman wrote from a scientific [00:18:56.160] perspective [00:18:57.039] and that’s what we need to do [00:19:00.640] um do you intend to stay active in this [00:19:03.600] i mean you had told me before you [00:19:05.200] consider it part of your legacy now that [00:19:06.880] you’re proud to be out in front on it [00:19:09.679] well i am a curious person [00:19:13.600] i feel [00:19:17.440] inadequate in the sciences for a lot of [00:19:20.480] reasons maybe i just didn’t have a [00:19:22.400] scientific mind but my background wasn’t [00:19:24.960] that good [00:19:26.799] to create an interest in it but i am [00:19:29.200] terribly interested now [00:19:32.080] and i just think that it’s something [00:19:34.480] that i’m going to try to [00:19:35.919] keep up on for as long as i can last [00:19:38.640] march you issued a challenge to [00:19:40.160] journalists you said look you reporters [00:19:41.919] should get off your butts and go find [00:19:43.440] these files find these studies because [00:19:45.440] it’s not classified [00:19:47.200] i think that modern day journalists [00:19:51.600] are like a lot of modern day politicians [00:19:56.720] they’re afraid to take chances [00:20:01.120] we need journalists who can be given a [00:20:04.720] free reign [00:20:06.000] to write a story more than four [00:20:08.159] paragraphs long [00:20:09.919] allow them to go and study this issue [00:20:12.159] for a while [00:20:12.960] we don’t have much in the way of [00:20:14.159] journalism anymore that allows that [00:20:16.080] and that is really too bad some of the [00:20:18.320] great [00:20:19.440] findings in the history of our country [00:20:22.000] and the world frankly [00:20:23.440] have been journalists who are very [00:20:26.320] inquisitive [00:20:27.280] can write a sentence and are given a [00:20:29.440] little bit of time to study [00:20:30.960] right now there’s so much pressure look [00:20:33.360] we have a 12 [00:20:34.000] o’clock command on buzzfeed you got to [00:20:35.840] get that taken care of and then [00:20:37.360] something else an hour later and so they [00:20:40.240] have a lot of [00:20:41.440] stuff that’s not well done [00:20:44.720] you know somebody i’ve seen who’s taken [00:20:46.159] an interest in it is tucker carlson and [00:20:48.000] i don’t know how often you watch fox [00:20:49.600] news just to check out what’s going on [00:20:51.360] over there but tucker carlson does a [00:20:53.039] program [00:20:53.600] almost once a month on this subject and [00:20:55.840] i don’t know if they’re trying again i’m [00:20:57.120] glad to hear that um [00:21:00.000] as you know i’m not a big fox news fan [00:21:03.200] but i love to watch it when there’s some [00:21:05.200] big hot thing going to go there and [00:21:06.960] there just off [00:21:08.799] watching the ball game i just wondered [00:21:10.640] if tucker carlson was doing that to get [00:21:12.480] donald trump’s attention it’s amazing [00:21:14.400] for as often as this has appeared on fox [00:21:16.400] that trump has not taken an interest in [00:21:18.080] the subject [00:21:19.679] please he’ll screw it up forever don’t [00:21:22.159] don’t even get involved [00:21:27.039] matt anything else [00:21:31.840] how how do you reckon and you can age [00:21:34.080] this to george [00:21:34.880] how do you reconcile your religious [00:21:37.360] beliefs [00:21:38.320] and this study i mean some people have a [00:21:41.440] problem with it how do you negotiate [00:21:44.480] that well it’s pretty easy [00:21:46.480] anyone that’s looked at mormonism at all [00:21:49.200] understands that [00:21:51.039] we believe that there are other worlds [00:21:52.720] and you know so [00:21:54.159] that’s not that’s pretty easy for me [00:21:56.159] perfectly comfortable with it [00:21:57.520] i mean that’s that’s one of those [00:21:59.520] reasons people [00:22:00.720] look at electric skew look to skew it [00:22:03.600] mormonism [00:22:04.559] because what are these people are they [00:22:06.159] crazy they’re talking about [00:22:07.760] other worlds well joseph smith [00:22:11.520] when he was he was murdered at 38 he [00:22:15.600] came up with this idea he claimed he got [00:22:19.200] it from [00:22:20.240] as we believe from divine intervention [00:22:25.200] but he was right and others are wrong [00:22:27.440] because i think there’s no question [00:22:29.600] that they’re other worlds so my [00:22:31.120] religious beliefs are compatible [00:22:33.440] 100 wherever they are from what do you [00:22:36.480] think their interest is in us [00:22:38.080] what is it why are they buzzing around [00:22:40.080] in the skies and why they enter you know [00:22:41.919] interfering with them well i would just [00:22:43.039] turn that around why are we interested [00:22:44.400] in them [00:22:45.520] same same answer to your question [00:22:49.200] because we don’t know you’ve seen these [00:22:52.320] videos [00:22:53.039] that have been analyzed by the pentagon [00:22:55.200] by lou elizondo and people like that [00:22:57.440] they the [00:22:58.240] gimbal and the tic tac those are not our [00:23:00.720] craft [00:23:01.440] they’re not birds they’re not flares [00:23:02.960] they’re something we wish we had [00:23:05.200] and it’s something that hasn’t started [00:23:06.960] happening [00:23:08.240] yesterday [00:23:11.520] when i first went to get some money [00:23:14.559] to study this the two people i had to go [00:23:17.360] to were [00:23:18.159] senator inouye from hawaii senator [00:23:20.559] stevens from alaska [00:23:22.720] they controlled defense spending [00:23:26.159] especially the dark black money and [00:23:30.559] i first mentioned that senator stephen [00:23:33.280] said i’m so glad you came [00:23:34.880] talked about this he was a world war ii [00:23:37.280] pilot [00:23:38.000] and he said he’s worried his whole life [00:23:40.480] about what that was off to his [00:23:42.159] wing he tried to get rid of it he [00:23:44.159] couldn’t he [00:23:45.520] did everything he could went down the [00:23:48.840] ground control [00:23:50.320] saw nothing up there he knows he knows [00:23:52.480] there was something [00:23:54.080] so uh it’s not as if just people today [00:23:57.279] started oh why [00:23:58.720] it’s been going on for a while well you [00:24:00.720] and i talked before well about tic tac [00:24:03.279] you know you’ve seen people try to [00:24:05.120] explain it away it was flares it was [00:24:07.360] birds [00:24:07.919] it’s kind of an insult to our best [00:24:09.679] pilots and our sensor systems that show [00:24:12.159] this was real it could do things we [00:24:14.240] can’t do and [00:24:15.440] we don’t understand it well we this has [00:24:18.159] been going on for a long time [00:24:21.840] all these sightings are said to have [00:24:23.919] been [00:24:24.960] set off a rocket in california or [00:24:26.640] something but you know [00:24:28.480] just i people do not want [00:24:32.000] who are in positions of responsibility [00:24:34.400] whether it’s a pentagon [00:24:35.919] or whatever it might be they don’t want [00:24:38.559] to have to try to explain something [00:24:40.159] that’s [00:24:41.279] many times not explainable you’ve [00:24:43.919] mentioned to me a couple of times about [00:24:46.240] particular incidents that you’ve read [00:24:47.840] about over military bases [00:24:50.400] nuclear bases very dramatic encounters [00:24:53.520] those were real oh yeah i mean there’s [00:24:55.120] no no question that happened [00:24:59.120] they couldn’t have set off one of the [00:25:00.720] missiles if they’d wanted to [00:25:02.320] everything went down um [00:25:05.520] and this wasn’t one night watchman that [00:25:07.760] saw this it was a whole crew [00:25:10.480] yeah the nuclear weapons part is pretty [00:25:12.159] scary and uh and underwater [00:25:14.240] you’ve read reports about usos yeah the [00:25:17.039] underwater stuff is something i’ve only [00:25:18.880] picked up [00:25:19.520] the last six eight months but it’s now [00:25:22.240] it’s coming a lot more with the [00:25:24.240] i mean some terrific accounts of things [00:25:28.159] in the water they don’t understand [00:25:30.080] if some guy from a secret intel [00:25:32.960] three-letter agency came and told you [00:25:34.799] senator reid we’ve got one of these [00:25:36.640] flying saucers in the hangar somewhere [00:25:38.240] would you be surprised [00:25:39.760] oh i’d be really surprised yes but you [00:25:41.600] know there are [00:25:42.960] people out there who [00:25:46.559] claim they’ve seen them and felt them [00:25:50.720] it’s hard to believe but that’s what [00:25:52.159] they say no one’s told you that we have [00:25:54.080] one of those things [00:25:55.039] no no no one’s told me you mentioned in [00:25:57.679] a recent interview [00:25:58.559] about visits to area 51. i had never [00:26:00.799] wanted to ask you on the record because [00:26:02.320] i know there are limits on what you can [00:26:03.520] say but you’ve been there multiple [00:26:05.279] quite a few times and that was something [00:26:07.679] that was really necessary [00:26:10.799] especially with the soviets with their [00:26:12.799] satellites [00:26:15.919] you know it’s and i look today i see [00:26:18.080] things that [00:26:19.039] were experimental up there that are now [00:26:22.400] everyday deals it’s a place where the [00:26:25.600] cold war was won the work was done out [00:26:27.520] there [00:26:27.840] yeah they did some amazing things they [00:26:29.840] were in it but toni paul [00:26:31.440] they had another base up there that was [00:26:33.760] stunning [00:26:35.120] uh the stealth airplane was developed [00:26:39.279] there i think you and i are both in the [00:26:42.159] same position in that we would like to [00:26:44.000] know the answer to what [00:26:45.279] it is that’s flying around out there [00:26:46.880] while we’re still here yeah [00:26:48.880] i don’t know i don’t know it’s never [00:26:51.840] gonna happen [00:26:52.400] i don’t know either um but i know one [00:26:55.039] thing [00:26:55.919] we’re not doing the right thing by [00:26:57.600] ignoring it [00:26:59.279] okay anything else man you want to say [00:27:02.559] anything else nope [00:27:03.960] okay

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