Podcast UFO #737 — Christopher Sharp interview: “Inside the Race for UFO Technology and Disclosure” (11 March 2026)
- Source: Podcast UFO (Martin Willis), episode #737, 11 March 2026 (~59 min). https://youtu.be/GGyx76BZyXQ
- Speaker: Christopher Sharp — founder/editor-in-chief of Liberation Times; senior contributing journalist, Daily Mail (UK). London-based.
- Transcript pulled 2026-05-31 via YouTube caption API. Lightly auto-formatted.
- Why it matters: Sharp in his own words on his method, sourcing, and reporting — the material the credibility assessment of a journalist turns on (how he vets, how he handles anonymous sources, his pro-disclosure framing). Covers his interest origins, the Daily Mail “Global Access” story, named figures (Jonathan Wager), and his read on the secrecy/disclosure landscape.
- Primary for sharp-liberation-times-journalist.
[00:00:00.654] [music] [00:00:14.120] >> Hello, this is Martin Willis from your [00:00:15.800] host and welcome to podcast UFO. I’m [00:00:18.760] really looking forward to our guest [00:00:20.480] tonight, Christopher Sharp. I’ve been in [00:00:22.120] touch with him, well, I don’t know, [00:00:23.920] maybe over a year about different [00:00:26.080] things. I’ve really [00:00:27.800] have loved some of his articles. I’m [00:00:30.600] glad that he is one of these journalists [00:00:33.240] that actually take this topic of UFOs [00:00:35.960] UAP seriously and so there’s a lot of [00:00:39.760] there’s a lot of great articles. He has [00:00:41.920] some great sources to go to Liberation [00:00:44.680] Times and you’ll see all of that. I try [00:00:46.960] to figure out how many actual articles [00:00:49.160] on UFOs and UAP there were and there’s I [00:00:52.600] don’t know, a lot. So, check it out over [00:00:55.000] there. So, I don’t have the name of the [00:00:56.960] blog yet. This is Saturday ahead of the [00:00:59.920] show. So, keep that in mind. I had to [00:01:01.960] pre-record with Christopher because of [00:01:04.559] the time difference when our show airs [00:01:07.200] at 8:00 p.m. Eastern New York time, it’s [00:01:09.800] 1:00 a.m. for him there. And so, he and [00:01:13.160] I are recording here on Saturday and I’m [00:01:15.960] going to just bring him right in. [00:01:17.720] Welcome, Christopher. [00:01:19.440] >> Hey there, lovely speaking with you, [00:01:20.720] Martin. It’s good to be talking in [00:01:23.040] person. I think we’ve actually been in [00:01:24.840] touch since 2023 because I remember [00:01:27.760] working on the Global Access story with [00:01:30.160] the Daily Mail and [00:01:32.560] I believe I was trying to get in touch [00:01:34.160] with um [00:01:35.720] Jonathan Wager and um [00:01:37.880] >> Yes. [00:01:38.560] >> I would love to have him I I would have [00:01:40.200] loved to have have him for that story, [00:01:42.600] but unfortunately we were unable to get [00:01:44.400] the over line, but [00:01:45.880] yeah, it’s fine. The story still turned [00:01:47.360] out great and I I want to thank you for [00:01:48.800] your efforts as well for helping me. [00:01:51.000] >> Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, [00:01:52.640] unfortunately Jonathan is you know, very [00:01:55.080] was very traumatized and as people have [00:01:57.840] I’ve seen him a couple times on the [00:01:59.360] show, you can see his reaction. He is [00:02:02.720] traumatized by the whole situation and [00:02:05.720] it did not want to talk to any [00:02:07.920] journalists. So it’s too bad because you [00:02:10.920] know, I think he has a lot to offer. [00:02:13.320] I believe he’s very sincere and I think [00:02:15.560] he has a lot to offer and [00:02:17.760] but he he has a he has trust issues [00:02:20.080] basically because of what happened to [00:02:21.959] him. You know, I can understand it. [00:02:24.840] So. [00:02:25.240] >> Yeah, understandable, understandable but [00:02:28.000] um [00:02:28.560] Hey, now I I think [00:02:30.680] you know, since since we released that [00:02:32.480] story, I think um [00:02:34.360] we’ve hopefully learned a lot more about [00:02:36.560] secrecy and you know, what’s been going [00:02:38.760] on behind the scenes for all these [00:02:40.240] years. [00:02:41.640] >> Right, right. So where does your since [00:02:44.600] you’re writing up you’ve written all [00:02:45.959] these articles all this time, where does [00:02:48.440] your interest how did your interest [00:02:50.560] start in the the topic itself? [00:02:53.840] >> Yeah, sure. If you if you’re going to go [00:02:56.080] way back, you know, when I was a child [00:02:58.600] and primary school and they asked me to [00:03:01.440] write a story, a creative story, it [00:03:03.760] would always involve aliens and stuff [00:03:06.120] and I guess I was always into that and I [00:03:09.640] really used to enjoy watching the [00:03:11.840] documentaries on TV with people like [00:03:13.920] George [00:03:15.280] and yeah, it just really captured my [00:03:17.600] imagination but I guess when I started [00:03:20.600] getting into secondary school and [00:03:22.640] university um [00:03:25.320] it kind of like withered away that [00:03:26.680] interested [00:03:28.160] and then obviously you get professional [00:03:29.880] career [00:03:31.880] in in London working in public relations [00:03:34.880] such public affairs and that’s [00:03:36.880] professional world and it’s kind of like [00:03:38.840] you’re you’d be even scared to talk [00:03:41.480] about something like that because it [00:03:42.720] would affect your career prospects [00:03:45.480] but I think what happened was I think [00:03:47.200] that [00:03:48.519] you know, there were a few things that [00:03:50.040] kind of captured my interest again. I [00:03:51.640] think um [00:03:53.480] Bob Lazar going on Joe Rogan with [00:03:56.480] Jeremy. I remember watching [00:03:59.480] that [00:04:00.760] on a couch cuz I was sleeping on a couch [00:04:02.640] at the time with my family when we were [00:04:03.920] waiting for our new home to be built. [00:04:06.080] So, my family like sleeping on a couch [00:04:08.440] and I’m just like captivated by this [00:04:10.600] interview of Bob Lazar’s testimony and [00:04:12.760] how much seems to have [00:04:15.040] been backed up by history after that. [00:04:18.600] And then I guess what happened is [00:04:20.600] COVID happened. [00:04:22.200] And [00:04:23.760] I think that was kind of like kind of a [00:04:24.960] black swan event and um [00:04:27.760] I could see what was happening in China [00:04:30.440] in terms of you know the infection rate [00:04:33.000] and stuff. And it was like gosh this is [00:04:34.720] really coming our way. And I think [00:04:36.720] seeing people’s reaction to something [00:04:38.880] that’s never happened before has been [00:04:40.840] unprecedented was really interesting to [00:04:43.400] me because I remember talking to one of [00:04:45.400] my colleagues at the time. And I’m like [00:04:47.480] gosh we’re going to have to go into [00:04:48.520] lockdown and stuff and he cuz it’s [00:04:50.440] happening in Italy. And he was like no [00:04:51.800] no the Italians they kiss each other on [00:04:53.560] the cheek and stuff. It’s just their [00:04:55.080] culture but I don’t really think it’s [00:04:57.360] that but like people were just kind of [00:04:59.600] um [00:05:00.640] people couldn’t get it in their heads [00:05:02.680] this was going to happen. And I I guess [00:05:05.240] what happened when COVID hap- occurred I [00:05:07.800] caught it and I think I remember at the [00:05:10.080] time seeing a report on the Pentagon [00:05:12.440] basically confirming the videos released [00:05:16.000] by To the Stars Academy were legitimate [00:05:19.320] and I was like gosh this is like really [00:05:20.880] happening as well. This other kind of [00:05:22.080] like potential black swan event. And [00:05:25.240] because [00:05:26.640] I think I’d been exposed to just how [00:05:31.040] really really intelligent people [00:05:34.160] were reacting to situations that never [00:05:36.480] happened before and seeing like actually [00:05:38.520] they’re not really that intelligent when [00:05:39.880] it comes to it their critical thinking [00:05:41.360] skills are just kind of blindsided. I [00:05:44.200] started to take interest in the UAP [00:05:45.960] topic because I thought, “Look, um [00:05:48.760] it doesn’t matter how intelligent you [00:05:50.360] are or anything like that, you know, all [00:05:51.960] these scientists and you know, skeptics [00:05:54.280] and stuff. [00:05:55.440] Um unfortunately, we as humans, we [00:05:57.160] suffer from groupthink. [00:05:59.320] Um and people’s biggest fear is [00:06:01.240] basically being laughed at and stuff [00:06:03.000] like that.” [00:06:03.720] >> Mhm. [00:06:04.280] Right. [00:06:04.560] >> But actually, you know, this is this is [00:06:06.800] a really really ripe topic to um [00:06:10.160] to get into and um yeah, so that’s [00:06:13.400] that’s kind of how I got into it again [00:06:15.840] after COVID. [00:06:17.560] >> Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, well, it’s it is [00:06:20.280] since 2017, the New York Times article [00:06:23.160] came out. That really had changed about [00:06:26.280] everything as far as the way I reacted [00:06:29.600] because when I started this [00:06:31.560] podcast back in 2011, I really kept it [00:06:34.000] quiet. I mean, I didn’t even tell my son [00:06:36.360] for the first 3 years. [00:06:38.160] And I eventually told him that [00:06:40.480] that I was doing the show on UFOs, [00:06:42.040] basically. [00:06:43.200] But uh [00:06:44.320] I [00:06:45.480] after after the after that article came [00:06:47.800] out in the New York Times and people [00:06:49.080] were talking about it openly, [00:06:51.360] then I felt like it wasn’t a career [00:06:53.520] crusher for me. [00:06:55.240] Um you know, I’m a fine art and antique [00:06:56.720] appraiser and I go and speak with [00:06:58.200] clients and you know, you have to have [00:06:59.800] integrity for things like that. So, [00:07:02.200] um you know, I I felt like it it really [00:07:05.040] diminished quite a bit. I And and [00:07:08.000] as things are today, I really don’t care [00:07:10.360] one way or the other what someone thinks [00:07:12.280] about me and my thoughts about UFOs. You [00:07:15.240] know, I don’t know, maybe it’s just [00:07:16.640] because I’ve gotten older, but I just [00:07:19.680] you know, uh oh, you can laugh at me. I [00:07:21.720] don’t care, but I think there’s [00:07:23.200] something to it. Now, the funny thing is [00:07:25.360] my sister [00:07:27.160] my brother-in-law was a scientist at Los [00:07:29.560] Alamos Labs. He retired from there. [00:07:32.200] And when I talked to my sister and my [00:07:34.360] brother-in-law, [00:07:36.160] my brother-in-law is like, “Yeah, it’s [00:07:37.720] very possible they could figure out a [00:07:39.320] way to get here that we’ve never [00:07:41.320] you know, we could never figure out how [00:07:42.720] to you know, travel that distance, but [00:07:45.240] maybe they figured something out. He’s [00:07:47.040] like totally open-minded and my sister, [00:07:49.040] you know, [00:07:50.080] wants to know what’s for dinner. She [00:07:51.320] doesn’t care anything at all. She’s [00:07:53.080] never watched 10 minutes. My younger [00:07:55.280] sister has watched the show many times [00:07:57.200] and participated in chat, but my [00:07:59.720] my oldest sister is wants nothing to do [00:08:02.200] with the topic, think there’s nothing [00:08:04.040] thinks there’s nothing to it. And it’s [00:08:06.400] kind of baffling [00:08:08.000] when someone thinks there’s nothing to [00:08:10.200] it and no matter how much evidence there [00:08:12.240] is. [00:08:13.800] >> Yeah, it’s strange, isn’t it? It’s just [00:08:15.040] like such a an interesting topic for [00:08:18.600] human psychology as well to see how [00:08:20.760] people react things. Like my wife really [00:08:23.640] is not interested in the topic [00:08:24.960] whatsoever, you know. So, yeah, it’s [00:08:27.080] just the UFO stuff and [00:08:29.360] I think my dad’s really got into it, so [00:08:31.040] is my brother and stuff. And we were in [00:08:33.039] Cornwall like a few years back and we [00:08:34.520] saw like a really weird object in the [00:08:36.200] sky. We’re all all pointing at it in a [00:08:38.880] pub garden and everyone else is just [00:08:40.520] like they didn’t care. They’re just like [00:08:41.919] switched off. So, [00:08:43.520] yeah, you know, it’s really strange. And [00:08:45.240] I I had an interview with Talk TV in the [00:08:47.720] UK the other day as well and [00:08:51.000] one of the other guests on the show was [00:08:54.480] a guy called Noel [00:08:56.120] Gardner who was [00:08:57.760] works for the Heritage Foundation. He [00:08:59.400] was former aide for Margaret Thatcher. [00:09:02.480] And after my interview, like Alex, the [00:09:05.360] host, said like [00:09:07.000] his face just sunk [00:09:08.800] because he was like [00:09:10.320] gosh, I know these people like this is [00:09:12.880] real like [00:09:14.480] and you saw like live on TV just someone [00:09:17.520] reacting to this for the first time [00:09:19.320] saying gosh, I really need to start [00:09:21.000] taking this serious. And [00:09:23.680] yeah, I I just find it really [00:09:25.080] interesting how people react to it, you [00:09:27.000] know. [00:09:27.839] >> Right. Now, I noticed on Liberation [00:09:30.400] Times that there’s [00:09:32.040] a lot of American a lot of United States [00:09:34.839] articles related to the United States. [00:09:37.080] And it almost seems like the UFOs is [00:09:39.200] like a United States-centric topic in a [00:09:42.280] way, you know, like there’s so many uh [00:09:46.080] there’s so much more interest or [00:09:48.120] something. Uh why do you think that is? [00:09:52.040] >> I don’t think it I don’t think it [00:09:54.480] in terms of like the cases and stuff. I [00:09:56.360] think that’s really really cultural, you [00:09:58.520] know. [00:09:59.560] Let’s look at the mystery drone [00:10:01.280] incidents, you know, that was happening [00:10:02.880] in the UK, it was happening in Europe. [00:10:05.080] You know, we’ve had our fair share of [00:10:06.440] incidents here and stuff and in other [00:10:08.360] countries as well. I think in the Muslim [00:10:10.880] world, I I think um [00:10:13.240] a lot of it is caught up in the jinn. Um [00:10:16.600] I I’ve got a [00:10:18.240] I’ve got a Muslim friend actually and uh [00:10:21.080] couldn’t care anything about UFOs, but [00:10:22.920] all of a sudden when you start saying [00:10:24.360] that jinn, she takes it very seriously. [00:10:27.040] Um you shouldn’t like have flashlights [00:10:29.320] and put them in the sky at night for [00:10:30.600] instance cuz that attracts them. Um so [00:10:32.720] when they see these things, they think [00:10:34.440] jinn. Um and I think that’s a really [00:10:37.120] interesting aspect to it in terms of the [00:10:38.720] culture. Um but yeah, a lot a lot of the [00:10:41.360] stories tend to be [00:10:43.440] um [00:10:44.360] US-centric because that’s where all the [00:10:46.080] action is happening in terms of [00:10:48.080] disclosure. [00:10:49.760] Um and also the United States is the [00:10:52.320] the world’s greatest superpower and has [00:10:54.839] been for some time now. And it kind of [00:10:57.480] like has a monopoly on this top topic in [00:11:00.520] to some extent. [00:11:02.360] Um especially in the Western world. Um [00:11:05.680] so yeah, it’s a lot of the secrecy has [00:11:08.400] been based there and um that’s what [00:11:10.360] makes it so interesting. And I think the [00:11:12.000] other countries that you would look at, [00:11:13.520] China, Russia, [00:11:15.760] I mean it’s very very difficult to kind [00:11:17.720] of like get access to that because of [00:11:19.760] the language barriers and [00:11:22.040] cuz um it’s more closed off in those [00:11:24.200] countries and stuff. So I think us [00:11:26.440] English-speaking people in the US and [00:11:28.920] the UK, you know, we we kind of like [00:11:30.880] look at these together you know, we [00:11:32.480] share cases like Rendlesham and [00:11:35.920] uh [00:11:36.640] you know, the [00:11:38.600] the US instances that happened like [00:11:41.480] Texarkana stuff like that. So, yeah. [00:11:45.440] >> Yeah, it’s funny. I just was had a [00:11:47.000] conversation someone interviewed me for [00:11:48.560] their show and he asked me, “What are [00:11:52.320] some other countries quote Roswell?” [00:11:55.600] And I did say Bentwaters, you know, for [00:11:57.960] for England because I can’t think of any [00:12:00.480] other cases monumental as that one. [00:12:03.680] And [00:12:04.080] >> Yeah. [00:12:04.560] >> Yeah. [00:12:05.920] Have you ever been to that area? [00:12:09.240] >> No, I I haven’t actually, but I live [00:12:11.160] closer to it now. I’ve just [00:12:13.400] recently moved to Cambridgeshire from [00:12:15.760] London. [00:12:17.120] So, I’m actually quite close to it now, [00:12:18.960] but I mean I go to a place in Essex [00:12:21.440] quite a lot where some in-laws are based [00:12:24.000] and actually it is [00:12:26.160] very very close to that. You just right [00:12:28.840] across [00:12:29.680] close to the border with Suffolk [00:12:33.600] where it happened. So, I could actually [00:12:35.160] get there quite easily. [00:12:37.520] So, yeah, I would [00:12:39.680] I should I should really I should really [00:12:41.000] get down there. I really really should. [00:12:43.520] It’d be great to go for a little tour [00:12:44.760] there. So, yeah, I think you just put an [00:12:47.680] idea in my head. I think that’s a day [00:12:49.160] out, you know. [00:12:50.288] >> [laughter] [00:12:50.960] >> Yeah. Well, you know, a lot of people [00:12:52.320] will claim that there’s still things [00:12:53.800] going on there and you know, and [00:12:56.640] speaking of things go still going on I [00:12:59.680] saw some type of article somewhere [00:13:02.320] recently where I don’t know exactly [00:13:05.120] where it was. Somewhere in the United [00:13:06.320] States is saying, “Well, the drones are [00:13:08.280] happening again.” [00:13:09.839] And it just seems like, you know, that [00:13:13.440] that was such a mystery [00:13:15.560] in general, you know, because of the the [00:13:19.320] FAA said at first that there was nothing [00:13:23.360] going on. They had nothing to do with [00:13:24.839] anything. Then later they said, “Oh, [00:13:26.200] yeah, it was some testing.” So, I mean, [00:13:28.400] they kind of walked it back, which I [00:13:29.840] think is to me [00:13:32.160] you know, I don’t want to get too [00:13:33.080] conspiratorial, but it sounds like a [00:13:34.640] cover-up type of situation because I [00:13:37.040] don’t think they [00:13:38.440] really knew what was going on. I mean, [00:13:39.920] there were there were base incursions, [00:13:41.720] there was all kinds of things happening, [00:13:43.440] and [00:13:44.320] uh but the drone thing is very much a [00:13:46.360] puzzle. You know, some of them are just [00:13:47.720] regular drones, maybe commercial drones [00:13:49.600] or whatever, but you know, I had a a [00:13:51.720] woman on my show that described the [00:13:53.680] drone in her [00:13:55.040] backyard, and she lives in New Jersey, [00:13:57.760] this uh about a year ago. [00:13:59.760] And it was did not seem like a regular [00:14:02.120] drone to me. [00:14:04.600] So. [00:14:05.000] >> Yeah. Yeah. I I’ve had I’ve had similar [00:14:06.920] testimony. I’ve seen similar things as [00:14:08.680] well. It’s um So, so I I [00:14:12.280] the way I go about this is that I am [00:14:16.920] I’m kind of like on the sidelines in a [00:14:19.600] way cuz I don’t really know what it is. [00:14:21.840] So, I keep different perspectives. [00:14:24.320] And [00:14:25.600] you know, I I publish articles from [00:14:27.840] Frank Milburn, who thinks a lot of it is [00:14:29.839] kind of like Russian activity. [00:14:32.560] Um I publish articles from my friend [00:14:35.160] Mike Morgan, a [00:14:36.440] former or retired retired detective in [00:14:39.120] the UK, who thinks they’re actually, you [00:14:41.520] know, potentially non-human. Um [00:14:44.160] but you know, I I’m kind of like [00:14:47.040] of the opinion that these could be [00:14:49.440] Chinese as well. [00:14:51.360] Um high-tech Chinese. I mean, if we’re [00:14:54.200] if we’re looking at the drain incidents, [00:14:56.080] I mean, [00:14:57.440] we we’ve had them in different areas. [00:14:59.240] You we’ve had them in um [00:15:01.839] Plant 42 as well, where um Skunk Works [00:15:05.880] is based on the West Coast. Um [00:15:09.280] and I found the logs there as well. Just [00:15:11.040] they they they just couldn’t seem to [00:15:12.640] take them down. [00:15:14.080] Um [00:15:14.680] and they’ve been happening in Europe, [00:15:16.200] they’ve been happening across the East [00:15:18.320] Coast as well. But I think you’ve got to [00:15:20.440] kind of like look at some of the bases [00:15:22.480] they’re affecting in New Jersey for [00:15:24.080] instance. [00:15:25.920] And also you kind of got to look at it [00:15:27.800] from the [00:15:29.520] the case where you’ve been seeing lots [00:15:31.480] of kind of like UAP or drones whatever [00:15:34.800] off the East Coast seen by people like [00:15:37.800] you know Ryan Graves for instance over [00:15:39.360] the training ranges. You know, could it [00:15:41.600] be that these things have kind of like [00:15:44.240] started moving more inland now? And [00:15:48.280] just kind of like [00:15:49.760] from my understanding what’s [00:15:52.040] what’s happening what I’m kind of being [00:15:53.920] told is that it is kind of like a [00:15:56.440] mixture between Chinese and potential [00:15:59.280] non-human [00:16:01.200] craft which are kind of like present in [00:16:03.000] the these areas. [00:16:04.600] And um [00:16:06.440] I think Michael [00:16:07.880] I think his name was Michael Levelsberg. [00:16:09.440] Do you remember the guy who um [00:16:11.480] kind of like exploded his um Cybertruck? [00:16:14.960] It after Oh, yes. [00:16:16.520] >> Yes. Yeah. Mhm. [00:16:18.160] >> Yeah, so he was basically claiming that [00:16:20.080] these things were Chinese and like kind [00:16:23.080] of like anti-gravitic Chinese things and [00:16:25.080] it’s kind of like basically game over. [00:16:27.120] They could have an unlimited payload of [00:16:28.800] the White House. And um I find that [00:16:31.760] really really interesting and um [00:16:34.320] I think you might be hearing a lot more [00:16:35.960] about that potential angle in the months [00:16:38.960] to come in terms of breakthrough Chinese [00:16:41.640] technology. I spoke to someone who’s [00:16:44.560] very knowledgeable on this. I said, [00:16:46.320] “Well, if it was Chinese, why would they [00:16:48.120] fly their most sophisticated craft over [00:16:51.240] the US where they could get shot down?” [00:16:53.320] And the person basically said to me it’s [00:16:55.120] kind of like [00:16:56.520] you know, [00:16:57.200] us flying a stealth bomber over um the [00:17:00.960] Amazon over native tribes. We we know [00:17:03.240] that it [00:17:04.319] they’ve got nothing to counter it. [00:17:06.480] And that’s apparently the way that the [00:17:08.319] Chinese thought about this. Um but I I I [00:17:11.839] I feel there is something potentially to [00:17:14.920] that and I do think that this technology [00:17:17.920] is potentially being reversed engineered [00:17:20.160] by non-human technology. And look, the [00:17:22.199] CIA is going to be keeping tabs on these [00:17:24.400] because you know, just just as we’re [00:17:26.880] seeing over the test ranges potentially [00:17:30.080] and I think over Patuxent River as well [00:17:32.040] where I think they’ve got UAP material [00:17:33.560] where they test a lot of high-tech [00:17:34.680] drones from, [00:17:36.080] that the Russians and the Chinese are [00:17:37.920] keeping tabs on these areas. They have [00:17:40.640] been since the Cold War. They’ve got [00:17:42.680] submarines up the coast from my [00:17:44.440] understanding and they’re looking to see [00:17:46.960] if there’s any breakthrough technology [00:17:49.000] being demonstrated over these test [00:17:51.400] ranges by the US. And the US is doing [00:17:55.120] the same thing in China that and and [00:17:56.800] Russia. They’re looking at that kind of [00:17:58.080] like [00:17:59.360] their bases where they’re testing the [00:18:00.960] advanced crafts saying, “Okay, are we [00:18:03.200] observing anything that seems to be [00:18:04.920] breakthrough um [00:18:07.680] you know, and potentially linked to [00:18:09.080] reverse engineering of um [00:18:11.280] you know, alien craft as well from my [00:18:13.360] understanding. So, it’s such It’s a very [00:18:16.040] re-interesting topic, isn’t it? [00:18:18.280] >> It really is and you know, uh [00:18:22.000] there was there was the drone incident [00:18:24.920] over Colorado. I think it was 4 years [00:18:27.560] ago. And that that probably wouldn’t [00:18:29.320] have anything to do with China. That was [00:18:31.000] probably a whole separate type of [00:18:32.920] situation, I would imagine. But do you [00:18:34.880] remember that in Colorado? I think maybe [00:18:36.800] 4 years ago. [00:18:38.360] >> Yeah, my colleague [00:18:39.640] Marik von Rentenkampff who’s been [00:18:41.840] covering that from my understanding. I’m [00:18:43.320] not too familiar with the details, but [00:18:45.240] yeah, I I I agree. I think as well like [00:18:47.560] cuz what you’re kind of suggesting there [00:18:49.520] as well is that, you know, just because [00:18:51.760] we see something in the sky that seems [00:18:54.200] weird, it doesn’t mean it’s all from the [00:18:55.640] same origin, you know. [00:18:57.748] >> [laughter] [00:18:57.920] >> Yeah. Like when you see a commercial [00:18:59.680] jet, you know, and it says American [00:19:01.760] Airlines, you can’t then just like [00:19:04.120] think, “Okay, there’s another jet in the [00:19:05.440] sky. That’s American Airlines as well.” [00:19:06.920] No, you’ve got different companies and [00:19:09.040] and [00:19:09.920] stuff like that, different origins. [00:19:12.120] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is Yeah, this is a [00:19:15.320] interesting conversation. I’m really [00:19:16.680] enjoying it. So, [00:19:19.040] yeah, you know, I never really thought [00:19:20.880] about the drones being a possibility of [00:19:25.280] some type of reverse, [00:19:27.080] you know, engineering breakthrough [00:19:28.520] technology. But, you know, it’s that is [00:19:31.320] a an angle that [00:19:33.880] there is a possibility. [00:19:36.240] And, you know, because [00:19:38.320] I would think that [00:19:40.080] if this really did happen like David [00:19:42.400] Grusch did say [00:19:44.200] and and others uh have talked about it, [00:19:47.440] it wouldn’t just be the United States [00:19:49.560] that these things have crashed and been, [00:19:52.080] you know, the retrievals weren’t just [00:19:54.240] here, I wouldn’t think. [00:19:56.080] And, you know, [00:19:57.120] people always ask me, “Okay, so [00:19:59.840] why would technology like that crash?” [00:20:02.320] You know, that’s like the first thing. [00:20:03.360] It doesn’t make any sense. Something [00:20:04.680] could get here from wherever it’s coming [00:20:06.160] from [00:20:07.120] and crash. How could that be? Um you [00:20:09.880] know, I mean, what do you What were you [00:20:11.560] What are your thoughts? What How would [00:20:12.880] you answer that question? [00:20:14.880] >> So, um that’s really, really good, [00:20:17.040] actually. The Um so, on the on the [00:20:19.440] Chinese aspect, so, [00:20:21.520] you know, one of the one of the reasons [00:20:23.320] for kind of like getting this out, and I [00:20:25.720] think, you know, you would have seen it [00:20:26.800] in the Age of Disclosure, is that the [00:20:29.200] Chinese may have made breakthroughs in [00:20:32.240] terms of their own reverse engineering, [00:20:34.320] and they now may now, you know, [00:20:36.680] potentially be able to [00:20:38.800] get ahead of the US and have dominance [00:20:41.000] over this, um because the US the [00:20:44.080] programs are so kind of like com- [00:20:46.120] compartmentalized, and uh [00:20:49.440] you can’t really get enough people to [00:20:51.360] look at it, and um make any [00:20:53.800] breakthroughs from the technology. So, [00:20:56.120] you know, one of the aims is basically [00:20:57.880] to ensure that there’s more people [00:21:00.480] looking at this, more engineers, more [00:21:01.880] physicists. Um so, that’s that’s one of [00:21:04.640] the aims. And from my understanding, [00:21:07.160] there is actually I’ve been told this [00:21:09.240] that [00:21:10.960] disclosure, if we’re going to go there, [00:21:13.160] you can [00:21:14.360] I have been told that you can actually [00:21:17.720] provide access to the craft, and you can [00:21:20.440] actually disclose the fact that you’ve [00:21:21.760] got the [00:21:23.040] the vehicles of non-human origin. [00:21:25.760] Um and that wouldn’t would likely not [00:21:28.800] cause a huge national security [00:21:31.400] um impact in terms of adversaries, [00:21:34.120] because I’ve been told that you know, [00:21:36.120] Russia um and China have got similar [00:21:38.480] things. [00:21:39.534] >> [laughter] [00:21:39.720] >> So, it’s kind of like that’s fine, you [00:21:41.520] know, they’ve all got kind of like [00:21:42.600] similar things that they’re working [00:21:43.800] with. Um the only sensitive thing would [00:21:46.400] be how far you’ve gotten reverse [00:21:49.280] engineering this technology. That’s the [00:21:50.960] only sensitive thing. So, you may not go [00:21:53.240] as far as to say, “Look, this is what [00:21:54.840] we’ve managed to do, and this is how [00:21:56.800] we’ve managed to exploit this [00:21:58.320] technology.” Um but you could basically [00:22:01.280] say, “Yes, we have this.” And um [00:22:04.760] yeah, like I I think one of my sources [00:22:06.400] basically said you could come up with [00:22:07.800] like a nuclear regulatory commission [00:22:10.200] kind of like model there in terms of [00:22:12.080] controlling access um to the craft and [00:22:14.680] just deal it deal with it like you would [00:22:17.280] like a nuclear program. Um which I [00:22:19.640] thought was really really interesting. [00:22:21.360] And then and then in terms of your your [00:22:23.200] question in terms of crashes, so um from [00:22:26.520] what I understand, there are dogfights [00:22:28.360] between different factions of [00:22:30.400] non-humans. Um and some of the crashes [00:22:35.600] are due to that, them shooting each [00:22:37.920] other. Um [00:22:39.680] other stuff is being seen in space in [00:22:42.200] orbit. And um [00:22:44.600] the crop the craft in space, which [00:22:47.080] basically [00:22:48.400] um are being shot in space, shot down in [00:22:50.680] space, you could say, are being [00:22:51.960] deorbited and brought back to Earth. Um [00:22:54.560] but a lot of from my understanding, a a [00:22:56.880] lot of these um vehicles are coming from [00:23:00.920] archaeological excavations um or from [00:23:04.720] cave systems. That’s where a lot of [00:23:06.920] these are coming from rather than kind [00:23:09.720] of like [00:23:10.640] crashes. [00:23:12.200] And and then in terms of the crashes, in [00:23:14.040] terms of Roswell, I’ve also been told as [00:23:16.320] well that what crashed there was [00:23:19.120] actually [00:23:20.840] um [00:23:21.640] two two human-made craft um [00:23:25.360] reverse-engineered from non-human craft [00:23:28.560] stemming from the alleged Majenta crash [00:23:31.040] of 1933. So, what happened was that the [00:23:34.160] Italians and Nazis were on their program [00:23:36.840] and during World War from what I’ve been [00:23:38.840] told that the the Nazis were working on [00:23:41.120] stuff in Spain as a safe country. [00:23:43.840] And um I’ve got a friend actually who [00:23:45.880] lives in the area Marbe Marbella in [00:23:48.080] southern Spain. There was a lot of stuff [00:23:50.080] being tested there. [00:23:51.960] And um basically the story is is that um [00:23:55.280] that craft that the Germans and the [00:23:57.560] Italians were working on got transferred [00:23:59.320] to Argentina after the war. [00:24:01.480] And the allies meanwhile were working on [00:24:03.520] their own program once they crashed the [00:24:05.600] craft. And um they started kind of like [00:24:08.920] working on it in um Wright-Patterson at [00:24:11.320] Wright-Patterson. [00:24:12.800] Um [00:24:13.800] and what happened was it was up in the [00:24:15.320] sky and had a dogfight with the um [00:24:18.280] the Argentine craft and [00:24:20.520] um apparently the things on board were [00:24:22.320] kind of like biological kind of like [00:24:24.280] clones and um [00:24:26.200] the Nazis, if you’re going to believe [00:24:27.920] the story, which is what I’ve been told, [00:24:30.000] the Nazis kind of like made contact um [00:24:32.960] with [00:24:34.080] um [00:24:35.160] a [00:24:36.000] like basically like a faction of Nordic [00:24:38.640] aliens or something like that. And that [00:24:41.360] to pilot their craft, they were using [00:24:43.240] these kind of like clones. [00:24:45.120] Um [00:24:45.680] and they kind of like helped you know, [00:24:47.680] the the Germans and the Americans. [00:24:50.240] So, the bodies on board were like [00:24:51.840] clones. Um I know this is so far out [00:24:54.120] here this story is, but um, I mean I [00:24:55.680] reported it, but um [00:24:57.360] yeah, it’s really interesting cuz you [00:24:58.960] hear Tom DeLonge just basically say that [00:25:00.760] he believes that the the thing that [00:25:02.440] crashed at Roswell was Nazi from [00:25:05.320] Argentina. Um, [00:25:07.920] so, yeah, it’s it’s it’s interesting. [00:25:10.040] So, um, I don’t know how that story will [00:25:12.200] age. I thought I’d get that out there [00:25:13.960] cuz it was interesting. So, [laughter] I [00:25:15.400] think that’s probably, you know, part of [00:25:17.240] the secrecy of why it’s been so secret [00:25:18.960] for so long is because, [00:25:20.640] um, [00:25:21.720] this is all wrapped up potentially in [00:25:24.760] kind of like Nazis and what they were [00:25:27.880] doing during the war and it was [00:25:29.760] transferred to America. [00:25:32.280] >> Well, um, that’s very interesting. I [00:25:35.080] think of like the Virginia case that [00:25:38.200] James Fox did a lot of work on and I was [00:25:40.440] at the uh press club uh recently when he [00:25:42.800] had that event there, but I think of [00:25:44.680] that case in particular, [00:25:47.160] um, when [00:25:48.840] uh, you know, there was a lot of [00:25:50.680] witnesses uh and I think also credible [00:25:53.280] witnesses [00:25:54.520] the doctor there that finally came [00:25:56.200] forward, he didn’t talk about it for, [00:25:58.680] you know, 30 some odd years and then [00:26:00.800] finally said, “I was there.” And, you [00:26:03.000] know, he recently had a heart attack, he [00:26:04.520] didn’t want to [00:26:05.680] uh go out without telling, you know, his [00:26:08.880] side of what supposedly really happened. [00:26:11.440] I think he’s sincere, he didn’t make any [00:26:13.600] money on this, he, you know, he he’s [00:26:16.200] emotional about it and all that. The [00:26:18.200] bottom line is uh that I’m trying to get [00:26:20.600] to a point and that is uh you know, that [00:26:23.080] was also a crash. Um, you know, the [00:26:25.080] beings were seen later in the village [00:26:27.400] and around, uh but [00:26:29.960] that crash uh it it seemed like [00:26:33.480] instantly the military showed up. And in [00:26:35.960] so many crashes you hear about, the [00:26:38.840] military seems to show up almost like [00:26:40.600] they’re tracking something. And uh then [00:26:44.520] the Americans show up all over the [00:26:46.840] world. [00:26:47.960] You know, someone without any insignia, [00:26:50.800] someone with American weapons, though [00:26:53.320] with a regular American accent. You [00:26:55.600] know, and Jonathan Weygandt thought they [00:26:57.880] were from the D uh let’s see, Department [00:27:00.520] of Energy, and that [00:27:02.960] would almost make sense. And I just [00:27:05.080] wonder what your thoughts on that [00:27:06.200] general topic would are is. [00:27:09.360] >> Yeah, absolutely. I think when we’re [00:27:11.120] talking South America, we’re talking [00:27:12.920] about uh cover [00:27:14.720] cover that potentially to do with covert [00:27:17.160] counter-drug missions. So, you know, um [00:27:19.480] before the meeting we were talking about [00:27:20.880] bridge denial, for instance, [00:27:22.880] um which is a program um [00:27:24.960] over South America to stop the [00:27:27.680] um the the drug the drug planes from [00:27:29.880] smuggling drugs over, [00:27:31.760] um which [00:27:34.040] is tied up with the Jonathan Weygandt [00:27:36.440] story as well, because um [00:27:38.880] the um [00:27:40.520] the operation that he was part of um was [00:27:43.800] part of that overall program. Um and [00:27:46.640] that overall program [00:27:48.680] led to a civilian craft being shot down [00:27:51.840] by the Peruvian Air Force working with [00:27:54.200] the CIA, uh which caused a big [00:27:56.680] controversy. And there was a report that [00:27:58.920] came out from I think CIAIG, which [00:28:02.120] actually identified other instances [00:28:05.760] where [00:28:07.200] um [00:28:08.240] not enough diligence was taken before [00:28:10.160] they actually shot something down. I [00:28:11.520] think from my understanding, the one of [00:28:14.280] the instance happened on the exact month [00:28:17.600] and year where Jonathan said um [00:28:20.600] you know, he had his experience. So, [00:28:22.960] I think that’s really interesting. And I [00:28:24.960] think as well, that you know, I’ve [00:28:26.360] reported recently that um [00:28:29.040] from my understanding, James Clapper [00:28:31.840] and Stephanie O’Sullivan [00:28:33.880] when they were working the um [00:28:37.560] you know, DNI during the the Obama [00:28:39.480] administration, [00:28:41.680] they had previously been working [00:28:44.640] on programs [00:28:46.920] to shoot down UFOs [00:28:49.960] um and retrieve them. [00:28:52.520] And they took those programs with them [00:28:55.080] within the office [00:28:56.600] of the Director of National [00:28:57.640] Intelligence. [00:28:59.000] So, and um [00:29:01.080] that that information has come to me [00:29:02.640] from multiple sources that [00:29:04.920] Stansfield Turner and James Clapper were [00:29:06.760] part of this [00:29:08.120] kinetic slash retrieval program of UFOs. [00:29:11.560] >> Now, wasn’t he in um Age of Disclosure? [00:29:15.200] >> Yeah, that’s it. That’s it. That’s it. [00:29:16.520] >> it. Yeah. [00:29:17.240] >> Yeah. [00:29:18.480] >> Yeah. Well, that’s that’s something [00:29:20.560] else. Um [00:29:22.600] Yeah, so [00:29:24.760] uh [00:29:25.760] Yeah, that’s so baffling as far as [00:29:28.760] you know, the retrievals and [00:29:30.960] you know, a lot of times people will [00:29:33.400] say, well, you know, if you gave someone [00:29:35.120] an iPhone back, you know, 200 years ago, [00:29:37.720] they wouldn’t be able to do anything [00:29:38.840] with it. They wouldn’t be able to [00:29:39.840] reverse engineer it. Is that [00:29:42.320] where we are? You know, I mean, I would [00:29:44.200] think that uh the technology would be [00:29:46.320] just so [00:29:47.600] uh alien. Yeah, I know it’s kind of a [00:29:49.640] pun, but so alien to us how we could [00:29:52.120] ever figure out how to [00:29:54.440] you know, get into something and figure [00:29:56.480] out how what makes it tick. [00:29:59.040] >> Yeah, it’s so there there are different [00:30:01.600] perspectives on this. And I think when [00:30:03.200] we when we’re looking at it, you have to [00:30:05.320] think what side of the story are we are [00:30:07.240] we getting, you know? So, um [00:30:09.800] I I I these are just [00:30:11.600] general questions I I like to ask [00:30:13.800] because [00:30:14.880] um [00:30:16.120] we’re kind of getting scope from the [00:30:18.720] intelligence world and from the military [00:30:20.680] world in terms of what’s been happening [00:30:23.840] um with the reverse engineering and the [00:30:26.920] retrievals, but [00:30:29.000] do we really have a lot of eyes in [00:30:31.520] relation to what’s happened within the [00:30:34.240] DOE, the Department of Energy? [00:30:37.240] I don’t know. So, so this is the thing. [00:30:38.840] Like, so when people say [00:30:41.000] we we can’t really understand these [00:30:42.680] craft this these physics are beyond our [00:30:45.120] understanding for now or whatever you [00:30:46.880] know. [00:30:48.680] Are we only getting that from a certain [00:30:51.800] viewpoint? [00:30:53.600] Are we only getting this from you know [00:30:55.360] the people who are working on the [00:30:57.440] material side of it you know from the [00:31:00.360] Department of War for example [00:31:02.680] or we only getting it from the people [00:31:04.800] who are kind of like in the intelligence [00:31:06.320] world you know and they’re trying to [00:31:07.800] find out motives origin [00:31:11.800] stuff like that capabilities [00:31:14.920] I don’t think we’ve really [00:31:17.920] access in terms of [00:31:19.880] whistleblowers from the DOE who have [00:31:22.520] kind of come out basically [00:31:24.760] kind of going into the physics model [00:31:27.240] that they think [00:31:28.520] these craft [00:31:29.696] >> [laughter] [00:31:30.280] >> come from and um [00:31:32.640] you know the energy systems and stuff [00:31:34.560] like that I think that’s what’s really [00:31:36.200] really interesting and I don’t think [00:31:37.720] we’ve really within the UAP community [00:31:40.280] had enough exposure to that [00:31:42.840] and because of that it’s difficult to [00:31:44.520] say as well how much this technology has [00:31:47.640] been exploited. You get different [00:31:49.680] accounts you get some people as I said [00:31:51.160] say oh we’ve not really made much [00:31:52.640] progress because we don’t really [00:31:53.800] understand it we’ve made some progress. [00:31:56.320] Um you know [00:31:58.200] apparently there is like a TR-3B type [00:32:00.280] thing [00:32:01.560] that’s going around and it could be a [00:32:03.760] drone could be could have people on [00:32:05.640] board [00:32:06.680] but apparently that is a thing. Um and [00:32:09.520] it’s an ISR kind of like capable [00:32:12.480] vehicle [00:32:13.960] but then you’ve got other people [00:32:15.000] basically saying actually you know [00:32:17.600] we’ve got ships out in space [00:32:20.200] going to other solar systems and stuff [00:32:22.120] so [00:32:23.920] it’s very difficult to understand but [00:32:25.320] then again it’s just from where the [00:32:27.040] whistleblowers are coming from you know [00:32:28.720] are they coming from the DOE are they [00:32:30.000] coming from the DOW which part of the [00:32:31.520] DOW are they coming from the IC okay [00:32:33.840] which part of the IC so [00:32:35.960] you have to as a journalist like or [00:32:37.880] researcher just try to see if you can [00:32:39.520] put the puzzle together. [00:32:42.920] >> Right. Right. Um [00:32:45.080] So, I’d like to shift gears a little bit [00:32:46.960] um because I know we spoke just before [00:32:49.520] and you have looked into this uh the [00:32:53.080] missing um McLellan Mc How do you say [00:32:56.760] his last name? Um [00:32:58.200] >> Sure. Neil Neil McCasland, yeah. [00:33:00.160] >> McCasland, yeah. Um so, yeah, I mean and [00:33:03.480] this again, we’re recording here on [00:33:05.160] Saturday. Who knows um you know, they [00:33:07.080] may find him, but uh all of a sudden he [00:33:10.240] becomes missing. And can you talk a [00:33:12.760] little bit what you know about him in [00:33:14.720] particular? [00:33:16.200] >> Yeah, so he was um the former commander [00:33:19.000] of the Air Force Research Laboratory. [00:33:22.040] Um [00:33:22.640] he was kind of like uh one of the main [00:33:24.800] guys within Wright-Patterson. [00:33:27.720] And um he was an adviser to Tom DeLonge. [00:33:32.280] Um [00:33:32.840] >> Oh, yes. Mhm. [00:33:33.920] >> his UFO efforts, the general. And I I [00:33:37.320] believe that he basically um [00:33:39.800] from my understanding, from what I’ve [00:33:41.240] been told, he basically admitted, yes, [00:33:43.680] you know, we’ve got the Roswell craft. [00:33:45.640] This is what happened. [00:33:47.920] Um [00:33:48.560] I think he gave him the Argentina story [00:33:50.280] perhaps as well. [00:33:51.880] Um [00:33:52.800] and he gave it all this insight and he [00:33:54.760] helped him put together his advisory [00:33:56.920] team. So, he was like he basically was [00:34:00.200] in the center of all this and you know, [00:34:01.960] this has been proven by emails that were [00:34:04.120] leaked as part of the Dest emails. Um [00:34:06.960] his wife has basically confirmed that he [00:34:08.679] worked DeLonge now as well. So, um I [00:34:11.800] mean, this is a guy I mean, I know that [00:34:13.200] he retired 13 years ago and his wife has [00:34:16.240] basically said, oh, there’s nothing, you [00:34:18.320] know, a foreign intelligence service or [00:34:20.240] something like that might need from him [00:34:21.440] cuz he retired 13 years ago. I mean, [00:34:23.080] come on. This guy America protects its [00:34:25.480] secrets very, very well and even if he [00:34:28.000] retired 13 years ago, he was likely read [00:34:30.200] into stuff and he he stuff, but [00:34:33.600] a foreign intelligence service would [00:34:35.520] love to know. So, the story is basically [00:34:38.159] that um he went missing um I think last [00:34:41.919] Friday, maybe. Um and what happened is [00:34:46.040] that he went missing, and he didn’t have [00:34:48.080] his He didn’t take his phone with him, [00:34:50.080] didn’t take his wallet. [00:34:51.800] >> That’s a really unusual not to take his [00:34:54.000] phone. [00:34:55.240] >> Yeah, absolutely. He is an avid cuz I [00:34:58.400] been looking at his Facebook for a long [00:35:00.280] time, actually. I’m kind of like piecing [00:35:01.960] together who he is, and um he loves [00:35:04.480] hiking. You often see him climbing [00:35:07.160] mountains or going up into the hills and [00:35:09.200] stuff. That’s what he lives for, [00:35:10.560] basically. Loves [00:35:12.560] being on adventures and stuff. And um [00:35:16.200] So, so I mean, he’s very, very good. He [00:35:17.840] knows the area very, very well. Um there [00:35:20.520] were rumors that he had dementia [00:35:23.480] um because of where a letter had been [00:35:25.480] put out, but from our understanding, [00:35:27.760] what his wife said, he he didn’t have [00:35:29.720] dementia. He was very, very sound. He [00:35:32.320] was still very, very sharp. Other people [00:35:34.040] that know him have told me that. Um [00:35:36.840] his wife was at a doctor’s appointment. [00:35:40.480] And um that’s when he went missing. [00:35:43.880] Um [00:35:44.840] so, yeah, it’s a complete mystery. [00:35:46.960] They’ve got everyone looking for him. [00:35:48.360] They’ve got drones. They’ve got the [00:35:49.440] county sheriff. [00:35:50.920] Um they’ve got Kirtland Air Force Base [00:35:54.280] assistant assisting. Um [00:35:57.760] They got the US Air Force [00:35:59.720] um [00:36:00.800] assisting the um [00:36:02.560] the office of investigations. [00:36:04.640] Um [00:36:05.760] And and he just He’s gone completely [00:36:07.680] missing, and it’s a complete mystery of [00:36:09.520] what’s happened. Why would he just go [00:36:10.920] out alone without his phone, without his [00:36:13.200] watch, and just leave? It just like it [00:36:15.640] it none of it really adds up. I I [00:36:17.880] believe that his wife does not think it [00:36:19.680] was a kidnapping, either, but how do you [00:36:22.240] know? And [00:36:23.280] >> Right. [00:36:24.080] >> interesting case this is, as well, cuz [00:36:25.760] how how does the United States cuz this [00:36:27.720] isn’t just a missing person’s case. It’s [00:36:30.120] someone of high value [00:36:32.400] who who knows a lot of the secrets, [00:36:34.640] basically, who has gone missing. How [00:36:37.120] does the United States handle something [00:36:38.960] like that? Is it seen as a national [00:36:41.040] security situation as well? I would love [00:36:43.800] to ask that, actually. I should ask the [00:36:45.200] FBI that. Do you see his disappearance [00:36:48.480] as a national security situation? [00:36:51.960] Um and of, [00:36:53.960] you know, alarm in terms of that. So, [00:36:56.920] it’s a very fascinating case and you [00:36:58.760] know, first and foremost, I just hope [00:37:00.320] that he’s found and he’s safe. [00:37:02.720] >> Right. Yeah, me too. And by the time [00:37:05.240] this airs, that’s a possibility. Um so, [00:37:07.720] another I just looked at an article you [00:37:10.280] just published, uh which I did like a [00:37:12.600] little show on it myself, and that is uh [00:37:16.280] the uh you know, Obama talking [00:37:19.840] uh and kind of joking, but it kind of [00:37:23.320] went viral. So, he walked it back and uh [00:37:26.960] that that was interesting. And but but [00:37:29.040] this is a really nice article that you [00:37:31.280] uh you wrote on the 4th. And uh [00:37:34.960] you know, and kind of the fallout and [00:37:36.680] then the reaction and where it could [00:37:39.680] lead, [00:37:40.720] um you know, what what Trump may do with [00:37:43.000] it all and all of that. But what is your [00:37:45.800] overall uh [00:37:47.680] general feeling? Do you think uh you [00:37:50.480] know, I remember I’m I think it was Bill [00:37:52.720] Clinton that, you know, one wanted to [00:37:55.200] get the UFO files released or maybe it [00:37:57.600] was Jimmy Carter, one of them. And they [00:37:59.960] always seem to hit roadblocks, no matter [00:38:01.800] what [00:38:02.920] is said. And uh so, how do you think [00:38:05.480] this is going to end up? I I have not I [00:38:08.680] got to tell you, I don’t watch the news. [00:38:10.360] I I avoid watching the news in general. [00:38:13.800] So, I really don’t know if there’s any [00:38:16.080] movement forward. And that’s kind of [00:38:18.440] your job, watching the news. [00:38:20.400] So, have you seen any forward movement [00:38:22.640] on anything? [00:38:24.280] >> Yes, yes, I have. So, um people [00:38:28.280] who are working on this right now are [00:38:29.560] very, very bullish. [00:38:31.160] Um Representative Burchett is very, very [00:38:33.280] bullish on this. Um he’s quite happy [00:38:36.240] with the progress. [00:38:37.760] Um Jeremy Corbell, who I speak to, um [00:38:40.920] I believe he said that um the Pentagon [00:38:43.680] or the White House, he’s been in contact [00:38:46.280] with like the communications people from [00:38:48.000] there, and they’re wondering how they [00:38:49.680] get their message straight about this. [00:38:51.720] And he’s basically said you need to be [00:38:53.080] radically honest. Um and just provide [00:38:56.280] the truth. Um [00:38:58.400] and I believe they’ve got a bunch of [00:39:00.200] different kind of agencies at the moment [00:39:02.040] all working on this. [00:39:03.720] Um I think Burchett said that the um [00:39:06.200] what I It’s actually public knowledge [00:39:07.960] that the All Domain Anomaly Resolution [00:39:09.520] Office is involved, but there’s also um [00:39:12.760] places above the All Domain Anomaly [00:39:15.400] Resolution Office, which is kind of like [00:39:17.520] um involved as well. So, a lot of people [00:39:20.440] are quite skeptical about its [00:39:21.520] involvement, but um [00:39:23.400] >> Yeah. [00:39:24.040] >> It’s It’s all in hand from my [00:39:25.440] understanding. And meanwhile, the White [00:39:27.800] House um [00:39:29.360] has given approval for Representative [00:39:31.320] Burchett to go to um places where UAP [00:39:37.320] materials are allegedly stored. [00:39:40.440] Um [00:39:41.160] and I reported that I believe it was [00:39:42.920] last week um Representative Burchett did [00:39:45.440] visit Patuxent River in Maryland, which [00:39:48.560] is a Navy air station. And that’s where [00:39:51.880] material was supposed to be um [00:39:55.880] delivered, let’s say, for um Bob Bigelow [00:39:59.920] um [00:40:00.760] for the transfer that was going to take [00:40:02.400] place between Lockheed Martin [00:40:04.480] and um Bigelow. [00:40:06.160] Um and it it was a hangar that was built [00:40:08.840] um at that facility. And um a crane and [00:40:13.160] a private runway as well for Bob Bigelow [00:40:15.640] so that could secretly get there and get [00:40:17.480] out. Um [snorts] [00:40:19.320] and I believe that representative [00:40:20.640] Bigelow [00:40:21.680] went to that facility. [00:40:23.520] Um [00:40:24.840] from my understanding, he did see a [00:40:26.880] hangar, he saw a crane, and he saw the [00:40:30.320] runway as well that Bigelow has used. Um [00:40:34.200] and basically for him, that kind of like [00:40:36.120] supports the story that actually there [00:40:37.760] is something to this narrative. I’ve [00:40:39.080] seen something physical now that [00:40:40.960] suggested that the infrastructure was [00:40:43.000] there to [00:40:44.560] um facilitate something. [00:40:46.720] Um but I mean there there might be some [00:40:48.080] more to that story. I still need to [00:40:49.200] check with people to see if all the [00:40:50.840] details are correct and stuff. You know, [00:40:52.560] was it the exact facility, for instance, [00:40:55.480] that was built for this purpose. Um but [00:40:59.640] yeah, he got approval from the White [00:41:01.760] House to do that. I think he should go [00:41:03.280] back to Patuxent River as well. I’ve [00:41:05.840] been told that there is actually a [00:41:07.200] non-human craft at the [00:41:09.440] at the base um that has been there for a [00:41:12.480] number of years now. Um [00:41:15.080] in addition to the UAP materials that [00:41:17.560] were going to be part of the transfer [00:41:19.400] between Lockheed and um Bigelow. Um but [00:41:22.600] yeah, and if you look at the base as [00:41:24.040] well, you know, Lockheed Skunk Works [00:41:25.440] does have a presence there. So, it kind [00:41:27.840] of like all makes sense from that [00:41:29.160] perspective. [00:41:30.880] >> You know, it’s a [00:41:32.160] you mentioned like Lockheed and Bigelow. [00:41:35.520] These are [00:41:37.240] these are entities that are outside of, [00:41:39.560] you know, government oversight. So, in a [00:41:41.960] way I’m kind of surprised that he was [00:41:44.760] given access [00:41:46.320] to [00:41:47.560] you know, to this whole thing or is [00:41:49.400] going to be given access. [00:41:51.400] Um because that’s been probably the [00:41:53.680] place to hide this type of thing is, you [00:41:55.880] know, a private entity. So, it can’t be [00:41:58.520] accessed. [00:41:59.680] And I remember I asked I I interviewed [00:42:02.800] Christopher Mellon all the way back in [00:42:05.160] 2015 [00:42:06.680] and he said to me at that time that if a [00:42:10.720] president wants to know anything, [00:42:14.520] he will have the right to know. They [00:42:16.040] can’t keep it from him. [00:42:18.000] But the only way they could keep it from [00:42:19.480] him is if it was outside of what they [00:42:22.440] had a need to know. [00:42:24.400] You know, that that type of situation. [00:42:26.800] So, you know, again, it’s kind of like [00:42:29.040] stovepiping, getting it out of reach [00:42:32.080] um into private entities. [00:42:35.240] I mean, I don’t know how far we’ll get. [00:42:38.280] >> Well, well, the the thing is [00:42:40.800] the big thing is is that from our [00:42:42.880] standing, say, you know, we all know the [00:42:44.920] story of secrecy, um you know, starting [00:42:47.600] with the Truman and Eisenhower. So, if [00:42:50.200] you’re a president, you know, part of [00:42:52.160] this initial cover-up, [00:42:54.640] you want to make sure that there is [00:42:56.320] oversight within the White House still. [00:42:59.560] And I believe that that oversight within [00:43:02.360] the White House [00:43:03.920] was created, let’s say, in certain [00:43:06.120] offices, you know, let’s say, [00:43:08.880] National Security Council, [00:43:10.720] maybe two more offices as well, let’s [00:43:12.360] say. [00:43:13.320] And that remains. And that there are [00:43:15.360] people serving within those offices [00:43:18.040] um who do know the truth, that have [00:43:20.360] oversight of the UAP programs, [00:43:23.920] that are career bureaucrats, and they do [00:43:26.400] not change with administrations. [00:43:30.360] This is [00:43:31.480] that that’s a very, very big deal. And [00:43:33.520] um [00:43:34.080] unfortunately, I’m not allowed to talk [00:43:35.600] more about that, but I can say that, you [00:43:37.760] know, [00:43:38.680] there’s a good reason for that. You [00:43:40.320] know, um Gary Nolan has basically come [00:43:43.040] out and said that someone from the White [00:43:44.920] House has threatened him with death. [00:43:47.600] Um so, [00:43:49.800] I’m not going to I’m not I’m not going [00:43:51.360] to go there. Um and also, we’ve heard [00:43:53.840] the story about Mark Andreessen, as [00:43:55.360] well, you know, one of Elon’s friends, [00:43:56.880] who’s an advocate for artificial [00:43:58.680] intelligence. You know, he had a meeting [00:44:00.760] with someone from the White House, as [00:44:01.960] well, and they told him that, you know, [00:44:04.440] we we can put AI back in the box. We [00:44:06.440] managed to classify physics, and we can [00:44:08.760] do exactly the same thing with [00:44:10.040] artificial intelligence. So, I think [00:44:12.440] there is a lot of power in the White [00:44:13.920] House that is hidden. [00:44:15.760] It’s not President Trump, but [00:44:18.000] bureaucrats who have insignificant [00:44:20.360] titles, let’s say, have burrowed in [00:44:22.720] offices that no one really pays much [00:44:24.360] attention to, but they’re very, very [00:44:26.720] powerful in in practice, I say. [00:44:30.040] >> I’ve always wondered how there could be [00:44:32.080] like a generational legacy of something. [00:44:36.160] And to say if there is some type of [00:44:38.440] cover-up, how that would like say we had [00:44:41.320] Roswell in a couple of boxes somewhere. [00:44:44.080] And you know, and it’s known about and [00:44:46.080] it’s cataloged and whatever. I’m just [00:44:48.800] How does that move forward like in a [00:44:50.920] generational legacy and you know, I [00:44:54.160] mean, it’s just it’s [00:44:55.720] I don’t really understand how that [00:44:57.360] works. You know, we’re talking 70 years. [00:45:01.480] You know, for something like that. [00:45:04.240] >> Yeah, yeah. I I I mean, from my [00:45:05.920] understanding, there was something like [00:45:07.400] an MJ-12. We had all these powerful [00:45:09.800] people just kind of like coordinating [00:45:12.200] the the reaction and the secrecy. [00:45:15.480] And since then, it’s kind of like [00:45:18.240] devolved into little fiefdoms and stuff. [00:45:21.640] And it’s not as well organized now, but [00:45:23.440] the secrecy just continues. [00:45:26.080] Um [00:45:27.920] But yeah, like at Wright-Patterson Air [00:45:29.640] Force Base, I remember talking to [00:45:30.840] someone who had a family member working [00:45:32.400] there. It’s like [00:45:33.600] they were telling me that yeah, it’s [00:45:35.120] basically an open secret like at [00:45:36.880] Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, they’re [00:45:38.320] working yeah, there that there there are [00:45:40.560] aliens there, you know. [00:45:42.360] Um dead bodies like in the basement. [00:45:43.800] Like everyone just kind of like knows [00:45:45.440] that at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. [00:45:47.080] It’s like, yeah, we just know. It’s part [00:45:48.760] of our everyday life, you know. So, [00:45:51.000] yeah, it’s [00:45:52.160] it’s an interesting [00:45:54.360] It’s very, very interesting to see how [00:45:55.920] it all works and how how it all comes [00:45:57.720] together, you know. [00:45:59.680] >> I well, you know, I told the story a [00:46:01.480] couple of times, but I think it’s [00:46:02.680] interesting. I think you’ll find it [00:46:04.400] interesting. And uh South Carolina, I’m [00:46:07.080] part of a [00:46:08.400] a a strummers group guitar group, and [00:46:11.320] there’s a gentleman there that’s long [00:46:12.720] retired, uh and he used to work as a uh [00:46:18.440] as a civilian at Wright-Patt [00:46:20.360] Wright-Patt. And uh [00:46:22.800] he said that he used to have water [00:46:24.560] cooler talk with all the Project Blue [00:46:26.240] Book guys, [00:46:27.520] you know, and then he said and then it [00:46:30.000] closed down, and they were still there. [00:46:34.080] He said like into the first part of the [00:46:35.760] ’70s. He said same guys, [00:46:38.560] you know, they they were still there. [00:46:39.800] They were still talking UFOs. [00:46:42.680] You know, which I think is really [00:46:43.840] bizarre. [00:46:46.052] >> [laughter] [00:46:46.720] >> It’s pretty If I [00:46:48.480] I would love to be in these places just [00:46:50.080] to see the conversations they have. And [00:46:51.960] you know, you it’s like we we’re talking [00:46:53.560] about Wright-Patt Air Force Base. I [00:46:55.000] think [00:46:56.000] one one of the things that a lot of [00:46:57.520] people kind of like get into is like, [00:46:59.600] “Yeah, we’ll discover this up yet. We’ll [00:47:01.200] discover that.” Yeah, of course it is, [00:47:02.720] but also um the Navy has its own [00:47:05.240] programs as well. The Army does. [00:47:08.120] Remember we speak about cave systems and [00:47:10.000] stuff like that? Well, you’re going to [00:47:11.680] go into a cave system, [00:47:13.680] be part of the Army, let’s say. Um [00:47:16.720] and the DOE as well. DOE DOE is like a [00:47:20.320] really [00:47:21.520] really big one. Um [00:47:23.680] and you kind of like look at the the [00:47:25.600] national labs um aspects and [00:47:29.280] universities that work those national [00:47:31.000] labs. [00:47:32.000] Um that’s really really interesting [00:47:33.760] relationship as well. [00:47:36.487] >> [clears throat] [00:47:37.040] >> Yeah, well, you know, it’s funny how the [00:47:38.920] Navy seems to have [00:47:41.560] uh the most transparency [00:47:44.040] in you know, the armed forces, not the [00:47:46.160] Air Force, when it comes to the United [00:47:47.800] States. The Navy is like, “Yeah, I mean, [00:47:50.320] the reporting is okay, and you know, on [00:47:53.000] and on and on.” Uh you don’t hear [00:47:54.880] anything from the Air Force really to [00:47:56.400] speak of. [00:47:58.000] >> So, the Navy, so from my understanding, [00:48:00.240] you know, the Navy was leading [00:48:02.160] with disclosure. [00:48:04.080] Um if you look at the um [00:48:06.600] if you look at the um videos that were [00:48:09.560] released from the the Pentagon when it [00:48:11.480] was officially confirmed and they were [00:48:12.920] released, um who released that? It was [00:48:16.480] uh NAVAIR, which is based at Patuxent [00:48:19.080] River. Uh [00:48:21.040] so, isn’t that a coincidence? [00:48:23.520] Apparently, where they have the UFO as [00:48:25.080] well. [00:48:26.080] And that’s also where Sal Tour Paese was [00:48:28.560] um based and he came up with these, you [00:48:30.520] know, crazy pat- patents or patents. [00:48:33.960] Um [00:48:34.920] isn’t that a coincidence, you know, that [00:48:36.520] it all came from this particular place? [00:48:39.440] Um so, that that that’s something that’s [00:48:42.200] really really interested me. I think [00:48:43.880] with the US Air Force, um the most [00:48:45.800] interesting response I got was um James [00:48:47.680] Clapper. James Clapper is always the [00:48:49.280] interesting response I get from [00:48:51.400] um [00:48:52.480] skeptics, let’s say. Um US Air Force [00:48:55.080] could not deny his allegations from the [00:48:57.840] age of disclosure. [00:48:59.560] They just [00:49:00.840] they couldn’t they couldn’t deny it, [00:49:02.120] basically, that there was like a UFO [00:49:04.120] program above Area 51 in the ’90s. So, [00:49:07.640] that’s really interesting. And when I [00:49:10.320] had a conversation with former [00:49:13.640] um AARO deputy director and acting [00:49:16.600] director Tim Phillips, [00:49:19.160] I’ll tell you that [00:49:21.200] it was um it was it was very very [00:49:24.120] interesting because he seemed unaware of [00:49:26.440] what Clapper had said [00:49:28.240] in the age of disclosure because he was [00:49:30.080] always saying, “Oh, it’s circular [00:49:31.640] reporting. Oh, you can’t believe these [00:49:33.640] whistleblowers, blah blah blah.” And [00:49:35.920] then I said, “Oh, do you know James [00:49:36.960] Clapper?” cuz I knew that Tim used to [00:49:39.160] work with the ODNI. And he said, “Oh, I [00:49:41.480] love James Clapper. He’s a brilliant [00:49:43.280] professional. He’s someone I admire.” [00:49:45.360] And he was saying that when he was in [00:49:47.000] ODNI, he used to meet with Clapper I [00:49:49.040] think once a week. And he was just a [00:49:51.000] brilliant person and he and he loves the [00:49:53.400] guy. He was like, [00:49:54.640] “Okay, so Clapper has basically said [00:49:56.280] there’s a UFO program. Your own report [00:49:58.800] within AARO basically said there wasn’t [00:50:01.080] a UFO program um from Project Blue Book [00:50:04.240] until, you know, all that eight it. Um [00:50:07.520] so like if he was to tell you that it [00:50:09.400] was no program that they were seeing [00:50:10.920] stuff over Area 50 Area 51, would you [00:50:13.360] say that he was a BS person as well like [00:50:15.400] all these other whistleblowers claiming [00:50:17.080] are?” [00:50:18.280] “Well, I’d have to talk to James about [00:50:20.000] that.” He said. I was like, “Yeah, [00:50:21.280] please do. Yeah, if you’re still in [00:50:22.440] contact with him, [00:50:23.840] couldn’t ask him.” And I said, “Please [00:50:25.080] let me know how that conversation goes, [00:50:27.080] Tim. I’d be very very interested to [00:50:29.120] know.” Um [00:50:30.760] so I think that’s really really [00:50:32.000] interesting cuz I mean it also [00:50:34.000] tells me as well that James Clapper was [00:50:35.880] not one of the people that talked to the [00:50:37.960] AARO. [00:50:39.200] Um [00:50:39.840] >> Mhm. [00:50:41.280] >> I I I I think that Clapper is a key [00:50:44.520] person to unlocking this. Like he has [00:50:46.880] been in Washington from my understanding [00:50:48.560] talking to people. I don’t know who he’s [00:50:50.040] spoken to. [00:50:51.320] But um [00:50:52.280] I think, you know, no matter what your [00:50:54.320] political persuasion, he is someone that [00:50:56.080] carries a lot of weight. You know, and [00:50:57.560] and interestingly as well, I I bought [00:50:59.120] his um biography [00:51:01.600] um when I did an article about him and [00:51:04.400] Stephanie Hallett in Interestingly, he [00:51:07.120] used to um [00:51:08.960] work with Bobby Ray Inman. [00:51:11.320] And he James Clapper loves Bobby Ray [00:51:13.960] Inman [00:51:14.880] um [00:51:15.440] because I think in the uh early ’80s [00:51:17.840] {slash} um late ’70s, [00:51:20.360] Clapper was a US Air Force um [00:51:24.160] NSA liaison. So he worked between [00:51:28.080] Bobby Ray Inman [00:51:29.800] and another guy who was very very senior [00:51:31.840] within US Air Force. So that’s how he [00:51:33.760] got that relationship going. So [00:51:35.720] yeah, just really interesting when you [00:51:37.400] kind of piece all these things together. [00:51:40.040] >> Right. Right. Yeah, I mean I feel like [00:51:43.000] in some ways, I don’t know what your [00:51:44.880] overall feeling is, but in some ways I [00:51:46.680] feel like [00:51:47.960] we’re really moving forward. There’s [00:51:49.880] really going to be something happen. You [00:51:51.840] know, Trump just said okay, we’re going [00:51:53.240] to release everything. There’s a lot of [00:51:54.640] interest in it, you know, but I’ve seen [00:51:58.160] this type of thing before [00:52:00.400] and it seems like two steps forward, one [00:52:02.400] step back, you know. I’m I’m just [00:52:04.480] wondering, how do you feel? Do you feel [00:52:05.920] like there’s [00:52:07.120] potential like of uh [00:52:09.680] actually being {quote} {unquote} [00:52:11.760] disclosure? [00:52:14.880] >> Let’s say [00:52:16.176] >> [laughter] [00:52:16.800] >> Let’s look at it like this. Um [00:52:20.000] let’s say the whole disclosure movement [00:52:22.360] we’ve seen at the moment may be a [00:52:24.080] reaction to [00:52:26.400] a potential breakthrough [00:52:28.760] that has happened with the Chinese [00:52:30.880] in relation to UFO technology. [00:52:33.160] >> Mhm. [00:52:33.760] >> Let’s say that you know, Luis Elizondo, [00:52:36.520] people like that who came out were kind [00:52:38.080] of like part of the reason why they were [00:52:39.800] trying to get this out is because [00:52:41.840] they had seen signs that the Chinese [00:52:46.720] were outpacing the US and that there [00:52:49.520] were signs that there was breakthrough [00:52:51.040] technology. It’s like, gosh, the Chinese [00:52:53.600] can work at this at scale. We don’t have [00:52:55.960] anything near close to this. We need to [00:52:57.840] open these things up. [00:52:59.720] Um and let’s say that Matthew Liljegren [00:53:02.040] was correct in terms of [00:53:04.160] these apparent drones being of Chinese [00:53:06.520] technology and it’s basically game over. [00:53:09.840] Um [00:53:11.680] if you’ve got these pressure if that is [00:53:13.680] real, if we’re talking about this kind [00:53:15.920] of situation, [00:53:18.240] I think that the US has no choice. They [00:53:21.560] would need to kind of like have a [00:53:24.720] They would have to have a system whereby [00:53:27.440] um [00:53:28.640] you know, uh more what civilians, [00:53:31.800] scientists, and engineers could have [00:53:33.520] access to these to these craft. And I [00:53:36.440] think the US basically has to come clean [00:53:38.320] saying that [00:53:39.880] yes, we are being visited by what we [00:53:43.240] think is a non-human intelligence [00:53:45.720] and um [00:53:47.200] we have captured some crafts and um [00:53:50.000] we’re going to start a program to open [00:53:51.880] these up for wider research to ensure [00:53:54.880] that the US stays at the cutting edge of [00:53:56.960] technology and that we [00:53:58.600] uh that we continue um [00:54:00.680] to have dominance in terms of um [00:54:03.200] military tech. I I I think they have to [00:54:05.000] say that. And look, I think we’ve come [00:54:06.680] close already. I mean, I would have [00:54:08.600] bitten your hand off like about 3 years [00:54:10.880] ago if anyone had basically said that [00:54:14.080] you know, from the US government had [00:54:15.400] said that we’ve seen 40 to 50 craft [00:54:19.360] that we can’t explain that seems to be [00:54:21.360] beyond any known human system. We’re [00:54:25.280] seeing stuff in space. We’re seeing [00:54:27.320] stuff in the air. [00:54:29.200] And we can’t We have the best [00:54:31.600] scientists, best people looking at this. [00:54:34.440] They can’t explain stuff that we’re [00:54:35.840] seeing. We’re talking about [00:54:37.000] instantaneous acceleration and signature [00:54:40.320] management and all these things. I would [00:54:41.960] have bitten your hand off for that. [00:54:43.480] Well, that is exactly what Tim Phillips, [00:54:45.640] former acting head of the All-domain [00:54:48.120] Anomaly Resolution Office, told me 2 [00:54:50.240] weeks ago. [00:54:51.840] So, we’ve got that already. So, why [00:54:54.240] can’t the president now say this? [00:54:57.200] >> Right. Right. Well, it will be it will [00:54:59.520] be interesting to see where this goes, [00:55:02.040] but you know, I’ve said on [00:55:03.960] this show before also that, you know, we [00:55:07.120] have such a political divide in this [00:55:09.320] country that [00:55:11.480] uh no matter who is president, are they [00:55:14.200] going to believe [00:55:16.080] you know, if a president announces it, [00:55:18.120] whether it’s a Democrat or Republican or [00:55:19.920] whoever’s in office, [00:55:22.000] whenever it’s announced, [00:55:24.400] uh how many people are going to believe [00:55:26.160] it’s real or how many people are just [00:55:28.200] going to ignore it and just say [00:55:29.960] it’s BS and move on. You know what I [00:55:31.720] mean? I guess if we actually could see [00:55:34.120] the technology [00:55:35.880] and we could see it, you know, publicly, [00:55:38.000] then that would be what we would need, [00:55:39.920] I’m guessing. [00:55:42.280] >> Well, well, look. Um I I think in the [00:55:44.520] US, this is one of the rare topics which [00:55:46.680] brings Democrats and Republicans [00:55:48.080] together. Firstly, you know, you can see [00:55:50.920] here, [00:55:51.960] Barack Obama and Donald Trump, um [00:55:54.400] Hillary Clinton, [00:55:55.840] um Republicans and Democrats. This is [00:55:58.080] the thing that brings them all together. [00:55:59.200] So, I don’t think you would have much [00:56:00.600] argument um in regards to that. And what [00:56:04.120] is available to Donald Trump in terms of [00:56:06.160] intelligence can also be made um [00:56:10.200] it could also be um gained by Barack [00:56:13.320] Obama. Um and other former presidents [00:56:16.400] still receive briefings, so they could [00:56:18.480] back Donald Trump up. And like he said, [00:56:20.360] you know, I think [00:56:21.640] I think that might be a key driver, you [00:56:23.360] know, I think you have to [00:56:25.200] I I think you have to provide access to [00:56:26.880] these craft. You have to say, “Look, [00:56:28.080] we’ve recovered Tic Tacs as part of [00:56:30.200] archaeological missions, potentially, [00:56:32.560] um and all these other covert craft [00:56:33.960] sources, and [00:56:35.760] you know, we we need to make this a [00:56:37.320] national kind of like effort to [00:56:38.880] understand what we’re dealing with [00:56:40.400] here.” I think they need to do that, [00:56:41.960] yeah. [00:56:43.280] >> And um I do agree, you know, you made a [00:56:45.920] good point, because I’ve actually said [00:56:47.960] that myself. It is very bipartisan. You [00:56:50.400] know, I was there during the uh [00:56:51.960] hearings, the first two public hearings [00:56:54.480] in Washington, D.C. I was in the room [00:56:56.600] when David Grusch, you know, was there [00:56:58.240] and and all that. And uh [00:57:00.160] I saw, you know, [00:57:01.920] Democrats and Republicans that normally, [00:57:05.320] you know, fight against each other, [00:57:06.560] basically, like asking really, really [00:57:09.040] good questions. And, you know, all seem [00:57:11.720] seeming to be on the same side. So, that [00:57:13.960] was uh yeah, that made me feel like [00:57:16.120] there was hope. And I kind of forgot all [00:57:18.200] about that, you know, when I posed that [00:57:19.640] question. Because I I do agree, there is [00:57:22.320] it is a bipartisan situation. So, if you [00:57:25.520] would, go ahead and just, you know, plug [00:57:27.160] your Liberation Times and, you know, [00:57:29.800] your articles and all that, and [00:57:32.200] go ahead. [00:57:33.680] >> No, no, no. Just firstly, thank you so [00:57:35.840] much for having me on. I’ve really [00:57:36.920] enjoyed this conversation. [00:57:38.320] >> Yes, me too. [00:57:40.280] >> Yeah, so you you can find my articles [00:57:44.400] on the grecian times.com. [00:57:46.480] You can find me on X. [00:57:49.600] You know, my handle is Chris UK Sharp. [00:57:52.600] We’ve got an E on the end. [00:57:54.960] And you can also see my work in Daily [00:57:57.160] Mail as well. So, yeah. Like [00:58:01.240] just [00:58:02.400] yeah, [00:58:03.160] if you read my articles, thank you so [00:58:04.760] much. If you’re a supporter, thank you [00:58:06.160] so much. And um [00:58:08.040] yeah, let’s we’re on this discovery [00:58:10.400] mission together basically. And [00:58:12.600] yeah. [00:58:13.240] >> That’s right. And I know it’s late there [00:58:15.200] for you. So, thank you so much for [00:58:17.320] for coming on. And it’s been a real [00:58:19.000] pleasurable conversation. Thank you. [00:58:21.800] >> Likewise. Thank you, Martin. Take care [00:58:23.800] of yourself. [00:58:24.880] >> You, too. Yes, all right. All right, so [00:58:27.040] next Tuesday we have Jeff Selver on. And [00:58:30.360] thank you all for hanging in. And [00:58:32.720] remember to keep your eyes to this