Space Symposium “First-Ever UFO Panel” — Grusch / Burlison / Gold / Roddenberry (2026)

Event: National Space Symposium (Colorado Springs), first UAP panel, ~April 2026. Speakers: David Grusch (whistleblower/ex-intel, space sector), Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO), Mike Gold (space-industry exec; congressional UAP witness), Rod Roddenberry. Moderator: Jeremy Corbell; recorded by the WEAPONIZED team (Corbell/George Knapp). Published: 2026-04-25 (Jeremy Corbell YouTube). Duration: 1:12:55. URL: https://youtu.be/Ayf92m7zPFY Extraction: youtube_transcript.py (auto-generated captions; no speaker labels — turns must be inferred from context; the episode also contains Corbell/Knapp studio review around the panel footage), captured 2026-06-03. Verbatim auto-transcript. Analysis: grusch-career-and-claims, burlison-uap-oversight, corbell-career-and-claims.

[00:00:00.400] The Super Bowl of space technology, CEOs [00:00:03.440] and high-ranking people from all the [00:00:04.960] defense contractors. [00:00:06.480] >> I dealt with a transmedium threats and [00:00:08.520] unknown anomalous activity in our skies [00:00:11.640] and our space domain. [00:00:13.000] >> This [00:00:14.200] is Weaponized. [00:00:25.080] >> This is Weaponized. I’m George Knapp [00:00:27.120] coming to you from the bunker here in [00:00:28.640] Las Vegas. It’s an extra messy here [00:00:30.480] today, Jeremy. Where the hell have you [00:00:32.240] been? I don’t see the safe behind you. [00:00:34.000] Did someone steal your safe? [00:00:36.800] >> God, I hope not. There’s nothing in the [00:00:38.160] in it anyway. [00:00:39.560] Um no, I’m you know, up in the [00:00:41.080] mountains, let’s say Big Sur, [00:00:42.520] California. It’s awesome. [00:00:44.760] >> So, you have been traveling though a [00:00:46.240] little bit last uh week or so. I I don’t [00:00:48.760] think UFO world is aware [00:00:51.280] uh of what happened a couple of days ago [00:00:53.000] at the time we’re recording this. There [00:00:54.920] was a new David Grusch interview that no [00:00:57.200] one seems to know about. He was on the [00:00:59.160] stage They were in a participating in an [00:01:01.840] event with um Mike Gold, who who like [00:01:05.199] Grusch had testified before Congress [00:01:07.120] about UAP matters. He was involved with [00:01:10.240] a guy named Rod Roddenberry, whose [00:01:12.320] family developed Star Trek and is [00:01:14.160] seriously interested in intelligence way [00:01:16.920] out there. And uh representative Eric [00:01:19.360] Berleson, who’s been blazing a trail of [00:01:21.800] his own from the perspective of [00:01:23.600] Congress. And yet all these guys [00:01:26.320] involved in the same event with you and [00:01:30.000] supposedly was going to be me, too. Um [00:01:33.480] we’re at an at amazing event that has [00:01:36.680] likely never before had an official [00:01:38.840] panel about UAP UFO matters. And yet it [00:01:42.200] happened. And pretty much nobody other [00:01:45.280] than us knows about it, right? [00:01:47.800] >> Yeah, we were Weaponized was invited to [00:01:51.000] host a couple interviews at the Space [00:01:53.520] Symposium, which is they they said it’s [00:01:55.600] like the Super Bowl of space. You got to [00:01:57.120] come and man, I was really I was shocked [00:01:59.640] by it. It was really cool. I don’t [00:02:01.080] believe there’s ever been a UFO or UAP [00:02:04.479] panel or speaker out there, but people [00:02:06.920] knew about weaponized. Within the [00:02:09.679] aerospace industry, within the weapons [00:02:12.040] space defense industry, people were [00:02:14.040] coming up to me from Northrup Grumman, [00:02:15.800] from Lockheed, from all the big top [00:02:17.840] companies, you know, telling me that [00:02:19.600] they listen to this topic, that they [00:02:21.240] focus on the UAP thing. And I asked [00:02:23.200] them, “Do you got any comment about it?” [00:02:24.800] You know, going into reporter mode, you [00:02:26.240] got any comment? No comment. But yet, [00:02:29.400] you know, when when when all these [00:02:30.680] people came forward like David Grusch [00:02:32.640] gave an eloquent talk, really pushed [00:02:35.560] forward, you know, information about the [00:02:37.320] UAP thing, they were just I mean people [00:02:39.440] were standing around in their uniforms [00:02:41.240] with all their their badges or, you [00:02:42.920] know, all whatever you call them, the [00:02:44.520] admirals, generals, people were paying [00:02:46.520] attention. So, it gave me a lot of [00:02:49.720] just kind of a lot of hope for the UAP [00:02:51.920] thing. You know, it is interesting. Mike [00:02:53.840] Gold was responsible for fighting to get [00:02:56.080] the cameras on the Artemis mission. [00:02:57.920] First time, if you understand the story [00:03:00.000] as as we’re told it, the first time in [00:03:02.840] in 50 years that human beings are [00:03:04.600] orbiting another, you know, celestial [00:03:06.560] body, it was a big deal. He fought for [00:03:08.800] the cameras to get up there. And I asked [00:03:10.760] him point-blank, you’ll see in the [00:03:11.959] episode, I asked him point-blank, you [00:03:13.160] know, “Are you going to release that to [00:03:14.640] the public?” It was a cool event, [00:03:16.760] George. It was really neat. [00:03:18.480] >> Um before we get to Mike Gold or any of [00:03:20.640] the other speakers who were involved in [00:03:22.320] this, a more detail about the general [00:03:25.519] setting. You said everybody had suits [00:03:27.800] and ties and uniforms. So, you did too, [00:03:30.120] right? You must have been wearing that. [00:03:31.760] Yeah. [00:03:32.120] >> You know, I do have a suit now because [00:03:34.040] we we got one for me, remember that? [00:03:35.800] Looks red somewhere dogs. But no, you [00:03:37.600] know, I went in costume as myself, which [00:03:41.000] typically not having the suit. But yeah, [00:03:43.920] people were wearing a lot of the the [00:03:45.640] military you cuz I think it’s like a [00:03:47.239] purchasing thing. A lot of our [00:03:48.800] government is going seeing what [00:03:50.200] technology’s out there and you know, the [00:03:52.120] best space suit, that kind of thing. [00:03:53.840] They showed this space suit that’s new. [00:03:56.200] All these articulating joints for like [00:03:58.360] lunar landings, everything down to like [00:04:00.120] bathrooms. So, it it was really neat. I [00:04:02.480] was not dressed in proper uniform. You [00:04:05.120] know, they did check my badge a number [00:04:06.440] of times, but I think being myself is [00:04:08.200] the best way to be. [00:04:09.800] >> The National Space Symposium is a really [00:04:12.120] big deal. You compared it to the Super [00:04:13.920] Bowl of space technology. That is [00:04:15.640] accurate. I mean, these are CEOs and [00:04:18.359] high-ranking people from all the defense [00:04:20.239] contractors, space contractors, all [00:04:22.720] kinds of agency people, Intel world, [00:04:25.240] military folks. I mean, it is really the [00:04:27.720] the big annual gathering for talking [00:04:31.000] about these kind of topics, what’s up [00:04:32.600] there, what could be up there in the [00:04:33.840] future. And it it amazes me that they [00:04:36.880] haven’t talked about UAP before, but [00:04:39.160] does not amaze me that they all have a [00:04:41.120] secret still in the closet interest in [00:04:44.080] the topic. And that’s the sense you got [00:04:46.080] just walking the halls. People would [00:04:47.640] walk up to you, right? And have a [00:04:49.240] private little moment. [00:04:51.040] >> Yeah, it was it was awesome. Actually, [00:04:52.560] Grant from Ohio Valley News. This guy [00:04:54.440] gets in everywhere. He gets into the [00:04:55.680] hearings without a White House, you [00:04:57.240] know, press corps thing. I don’t know [00:04:59.120] how he gets into all these things. So, [00:05:00.520] he came [00:05:01.560] >> He might He might be a spook. He came [00:05:03.360] with me, and we would just walk [00:05:04.800] together, you know, through all these [00:05:06.240] booths where they’re like selling [00:05:07.600] different things and showing their [00:05:08.880] technology. And we would just stop once [00:05:11.160] in a while because the conversations [00:05:12.800] were incredible. People are interested [00:05:15.120] in UAP. They know that UAP are real. [00:05:17.880] They know they represent machines unlike [00:05:20.440] what we have. They know it’s an issue [00:05:22.240] from a defense standpoint. Some people [00:05:24.960] you can tell are kind of on the [00:05:26.360] periphery of it and and just kind of [00:05:28.480] looking at it like a fan, but but other [00:05:30.240] people were were dead serious about it [00:05:32.040] and would come up to me and say, you [00:05:33.880] know, I have no official comment, but [00:05:36.040] don’t stop what you’re doing. You and [00:05:37.760] George are making waves. That kind of [00:05:39.400] thing. [00:05:40.000] >> That’s awesome. Well, I guess it would [00:05:42.080] be fair to say that Mike Gold is the guy [00:05:43.960] that put this in motion. He’s the key [00:05:45.680] cog that that helped make it happen. [00:05:48.000] We’ve had him as our guest on Weaponized [00:05:49.800] a couple of times, great guy. I mean, he [00:05:51.880] worked for Bigelow Aerospace for a [00:05:53.360] number of years, consultant to NASA, and [00:05:55.640] now at Redwire, is that right? [00:05:57.560] >> That’s right, yeah. [00:05:59.280] >> So, that’s a big space contractor. It’s [00:06:01.480] involved in high-level stuff all over [00:06:03.640] the place, and you know, he has a [00:06:05.160] healthy interest in the UAP topic, and [00:06:07.760] and he helped set this in motion. He’s [00:06:10.280] the foot in the door for for you and me [00:06:12.000] in Weaponized, right? [00:06:13.240] >> The only reason why we were invited to [00:06:15.080] speak at the Superbowl of Space is [00:06:16.760] because of Mike Gold, and you know, he [00:06:18.320] testified in front of Congress, famously [00:06:20.120] gave like one of these Vulcan [00:06:22.960] you know, live long and prosper when he [00:06:24.560] was standing up there doing you know, [00:06:25.960] the you know, raise your hand for the [00:06:27.280] testimony. Yeah, he’s a great guy, and [00:06:29.800] he is he made a really good point. He’s [00:06:32.440] like, we are now focused on exploring [00:06:34.800] the cosmos in a way we haven’t been in [00:06:36.320] 50 years. And he goes, I am about [00:06:38.400] transparency. This relates to the UAP [00:06:40.440] issue. We need to open our minds to [00:06:42.960] what’s going on. He said to me, there is [00:06:44.919] a greater chance that we we are going to [00:06:47.880] capture an anomaly, a UAP with this [00:06:50.840] these camera systems that that Redwire [00:06:52.560] put on, than not. And he’s like, that [00:06:54.720] needs to go out to the public. We need [00:06:56.160] to have this conversation. He’s trying [00:06:57.440] to destigmatize the UAP thing at [00:07:00.160] something really fancy like the Space [00:07:01.640] Symposium. Well, he didn’t have to do a [00:07:03.200] lot of hard work other than invite us [00:07:04.880] because people were absolutely [00:07:08.120] interested to talk about this because [00:07:09.840] they know it’s true. These people in the [00:07:11.560] in these positions, they know it’s true. [00:07:13.280] It’s just a matter of how far we go [00:07:15.160] publicly. Thanks for having me. Mike [00:07:17.360] Gold’s been a friend for a while. He [00:07:18.680] testified in front of Congress about [00:07:20.480] UAP. Did you guys see his congressional [00:07:22.440] testimony? [00:07:24.080] If you haven’t, [00:07:25.880] play the tape back. But one of the [00:07:27.800] things that really intrigued me about [00:07:29.840] Mike is that he openly talks about these [00:07:32.080] things that are usually talked only [00:07:33.560] behind closed doors. You’re in this [00:07:35.400] industry, you probably have had that [00:07:36.919] experience before. There’s a hushness [00:07:38.960] about the UAP issue just because [00:07:40.760] something unknown it gives people an [00:07:43.120] allergy, right? Well, it’s not unknown [00:07:45.040] in certain industries. So, Mike fought, [00:07:47.200] from what I understand, to make sure [00:07:48.880] that we got cameras. You fought to get [00:07:50.800] the camera systems up on the Artemis [00:07:52.560] mission. So, here we are going back [00:07:54.800] orbiting the moon, and I’m really [00:07:56.760] grateful for Mike. He was telling me the [00:07:58.640] other day that science only progresses [00:08:00.640] by studying the things we don’t yet [00:08:02.080] understand. So, can you tell us for a [00:08:03.800] second about that fight to get cameras, [00:08:05.760] why that was important, and why going [00:08:07.480] back to the moon relates to the UAP [00:08:09.880] issue? [00:08:10.640] >> Yeah, and let me begin. I had the [00:08:12.200] question is why I am even having this [00:08:14.600] argument. I mean, it seems simple, it [00:08:18.760] seems intuitive. Of course, you should [00:08:20.760] have cameras on the mission. But, then [00:08:23.720] you encounter engineers, and you know I [00:08:25.400] love engineers and engineering, but they [00:08:27.840] can be very focused on requirements. And [00:08:30.320] I remember having conversations at [00:08:32.680] Johnson Space Center where there were [00:08:34.400] where are the requirements for the [00:08:35.680] visuals? What are we solving? And when [00:08:38.200] you have a spacecraft as complex and a [00:08:40.120] mission as difficult as Artemis, [00:08:42.400] every ounce of mass, every volt of power [00:08:47.640] is jealously guarded because this is so [00:08:50.280] difficult. So, not just me, but with the [00:08:52.720] help of former NASA administrator Jim [00:08:54.680] Bridenstine, who would tell people, “The [00:08:57.080] camera is the mission.” That if we can’t [00:09:01.400] bring visual images from Artemis 2, we [00:09:05.800] will lose the political support, which [00:09:08.280] is actually the fuel that makes this go. [00:09:11.880] So, we eventually won the argument. We [00:09:14.480] got the cameras on. Total coincidence [00:09:17.000] that I ended up with the company that is [00:09:18.680] building those cameras, but I was so [00:09:21.000] proud to be able to be a part of not [00:09:23.400] just in arguing for the cameras, but [00:09:25.320] then being with Redwire that built them. [00:09:27.280] We have 11 cameras. Look, not all of us [00:09:30.040] can be astronauts, me in particular. [00:09:32.520] But, with those cameras, we were able to [00:09:35.200] take not just America but the world on [00:09:38.560] the extraordinary journey to the moon [00:09:41.320] that was Artemis. [00:09:43.080] >> And if you caught any anomalies [00:09:46.560] If you caught any anom- [00:09:48.440] Can you guys hear me? [00:09:49.080] >> You’re catching an anomaly there. [00:09:50.320] >> We’re catching an anomaly. Man, we got [00:09:51.920] tech issues today. [00:09:53.480] Um [00:09:54.800] If you guys caught any anomalies when [00:09:56.600] you were, you know, putting these [00:09:58.040] cameras up and all that, would you share [00:09:59.560] them with the American public directly? [00:10:01.520] >> Absolutely. [00:10:03.480] As you mentioned in your opening [00:10:04.920] statement, anomalies is how science is [00:10:08.520] done. It’s the weird, it’s the strange, [00:10:11.040] it’s the unexpected [00:10:12.960] that allows us to make progress. So, the [00:10:17.080] anomalies are actually what we’re [00:10:19.080] looking for both in the science sense [00:10:21.640] and by the way, even in regard to the [00:10:23.160] spacecraft. That the cameras serve the [00:10:25.840] purpose, yes, of capturing incredible [00:10:28.840] images of the Artemis journey, but also [00:10:31.720] they look at the health of the [00:10:33.520] spacecraft. And there, if there’s an [00:10:35.960] anomaly of some sort, you want to know [00:10:38.160] because that could influence the lives [00:10:40.240] of the astronauts. So, you want those [00:10:41.640] cameras to be able to see what’s going [00:10:42.839] on. [00:10:43.760] It was a nearly flawless mission, [00:10:45.680] incredible mission, but you might have [00:10:47.360] heard there were a few issues with the [00:10:48.760] toilet. [00:10:50.280] And our cameras actually captured when [00:10:53.280] they eventually were able to vent the [00:10:55.000] urine, urine coming out of the [00:10:57.040] spacecraft. And I have to tell you, our [00:10:59.160] cameras capturing urine in space [00:11:01.200] shooting out, not on my bingo card for [00:11:03.120] the mission, but it’s an example of how [00:11:05.560] those images can be so important to not [00:11:08.080] just Artemis 2, but making sure that we [00:11:10.680] can do an even better job, make Artemis [00:11:13.160] 3 even more spectacular. But again, [00:11:16.680] whether it’s an anomalous [00:11:18.880] light, an anomalous image, or an anomaly [00:11:21.760] on the spacecraft, those are the most [00:11:24.360] important parts of science and [00:11:26.640] engineering. [00:11:27.560] >> The cameras are on there. [00:11:29.880] And what happens What happens to the [00:11:31.120] footage? Can I ask you that? [00:11:33.240] >> Yeah, I mean so [00:11:35.520] I I definitely if I recall when I was [00:11:38.400] talking with Mike on stage, you know, I [00:11:40.360] pushed him. I said there’s so much [00:11:41.800] distrust right now in the American [00:11:43.520] public. For you see this man with the [00:11:45.720] moon mission. Everybody’s analyzing the [00:11:47.240] footage being like it’s fake it’s fake. [00:11:49.400] You see so much of that. Now if these [00:11:51.600] guys worked so hard on this, I said to [00:11:53.280] Mike, you know, there’s so much distrust [00:11:55.040] and you can’t fight that. So can you [00:11:56.640] just put out the information to the [00:11:58.480] public? If you get an anomaly, will the [00:12:00.880] public see it? Now this is a guy that [00:12:02.800] fought for these cameras to be on this [00:12:05.120] mission and 100% Mike is like, yes. NASA [00:12:08.440] has their own software usually where [00:12:11.560] they have to like pick apart the [00:12:12.920] imagery. But he’s with Artemis, we have [00:12:15.600] the software. So I do believe that if [00:12:18.000] they capture something truly anomalous, [00:12:20.280] if they’re if they if they got it, [00:12:22.040] someone like Mike Gold, he’s going to [00:12:23.840] put it out. Come hell or high water he [00:12:25.640] will. So he told me that on on stage [00:12:28.120] that they’re they’re planning to release [00:12:29.800] that footage the best they can like [00:12:31.960] straight up. I believe him. [00:12:33.880] >> I hope so. I mean we know the kind of [00:12:35.440] games that NASA has played both the [00:12:37.240] audio kinds of transmissions, what [00:12:39.200] astronauts say or report back to to [00:12:42.240] Houston, the code language that’s used [00:12:44.400] when they see something strange, the [00:12:47.040] stories that float around about what [00:12:49.440] people encountered on the moon and and [00:12:51.720] on the journey back and forth. So I I [00:12:54.600] would trust Red Wire and Mike Gold more [00:12:57.120] than I would trust NASA at this point. [00:12:59.280] Uh so after uh you talked with Mike on [00:13:01.560] stage, is it there’s a guy comes on [00:13:03.839] stage you’ve known since childhood or at [00:13:05.960] least since the early years? [00:13:08.040] It’s a very famous family name, [00:13:10.200] Roddenberry. Any Star Trek fan or even [00:13:13.839] partial fan would know that name, the [00:13:15.920] significance of it. Rod Roddenberry, son [00:13:18.200] of Gene Roddenberry, he’s the CEO of the [00:13:20.720] the family biz and he came on and what [00:13:23.080] did he say? [00:13:24.480] >> Yeah, it was actually really cool. So I [00:13:25.640] think that the NASA guys and Mike that [00:13:27.560] they said their head exploded when they [00:13:29.200] get to talk with Rod Roddenberry cuz [00:13:30.720] they’re they’re huge fans. I mean, the [00:13:32.400] Artemis Accords, which is like getting a [00:13:34.440] bunch of nations together about the [00:13:35.920] principles of how to explore space from [00:13:37.920] from what I understand, um the [00:13:39.760] 60-something, [00:13:41.280] you know, country has signed on to it. [00:13:43.040] All of the Artemis Accords were based [00:13:45.400] upon Star Trek. They were based upon the [00:13:47.240] principles uh that Rod Roddenberry’s [00:13:49.640] father put in motion with his, you know, [00:13:51.560] what they call sci-fi. So, when Rod came [00:13:54.040] on, man, he’s looking sharp, and he’s [00:13:55.920] looking strong, and he was articulate, [00:13:57.680] and he was talking about, you know, kind [00:13:59.560] of what the principles were with Star [00:14:02.120] Trek. And And seeing Mike and him engage [00:14:05.680] in real world about how to apply those [00:14:07.800] principles to current space exploration, [00:14:10.480] it was really cool. Just cuz I’m a I’m a [00:14:12.440] friend of Rod’s, he’s a friend of yours, [00:14:14.160] we we know him, and now he’s talking [00:14:16.200] with the guys doing the moon mission. [00:14:17.520] So, they were equally enthusiastic about [00:14:20.280] having that conversation. [00:14:21.960] >> I would think everybody there recognizes [00:14:24.440] at the Space Symposium that what people [00:14:26.640] would call sci-fi [00:14:29.160] often leads to real science and real [00:14:31.320] technology and real developments. I have [00:14:33.200] an entire book about things that were [00:14:35.280] first mentioned on on Star Trek that [00:14:37.120] became real because kids grew up to be [00:14:39.360] engineers and made them. So, I I hope in [00:14:41.760] this clip that you get into that. [00:14:44.480] >> Yeah, um [00:14:45.680] I I believe so. I I kind of have I don’t [00:14:47.440] have a memory exactly. I’m up on stage [00:14:49.760] and I remember what we talked about, but [00:14:51.400] I I do remember this is um something [00:14:53.880] really interesting to me. Uh Travis [00:14:55.920] Taylor, our friend Travis Taylor, [00:14:58.240] um he came up to me and he articulated [00:15:02.320] for the first time why he was so [00:15:04.560] optimistic about the UAP issue and about [00:15:07.480] looking out into the cosmos [00:15:09.560] in a way that nobody had before. He said [00:15:11.839] something about how [00:15:13.560] uh you know, the [00:15:15.080] the X uh what is it called? SpaceX [00:15:17.800] >> 47B, yeah. [00:15:19.160] >> Well, no, no, the the the company was [00:15:21.280] about to go to IPO, so it’s going to [00:15:23.000] become traded and he goes, “Imagine all [00:15:26.040] these engineers, hundreds of engineers [00:15:28.320] who have their own mind about how to [00:15:30.080] explore stuff, they’re all going to [00:15:31.600] become multi-millionaires overnight.” He [00:15:33.920] said it it’s already happening and he [00:15:35.680] goes, “All these people going out and [00:15:37.480] doing their pet projects with hundreds [00:15:39.240] of millions of dollars.” He goes, “All [00:15:40.880] of this All of this is going to blow up [00:15:42.480] soon. People are going to be out [00:15:43.760] privatizing space and and going to be [00:15:45.960] capturing UAP in a way that we’ve never [00:15:48.000] seen before.” So, that was a really cool [00:15:49.640] perspective. He was there. It was very [00:15:51.680] cool to hear him say that. [00:15:53.560] >> Yeah, that sounds like a really [00:15:54.520] interesting audience for one thing. So, [00:15:56.760] um are we playing the clip here now from [00:15:58.920] from what was said? [00:16:00.080] >> Yeah, let’s do it. So, we’re going to [00:16:01.480] play right now the clip with Rod [00:16:03.040] Roddenberry and kind of what he his [00:16:04.880] engagement with the NASA folks, what he [00:16:06.720] said at the conference. Can you hear us, [00:16:08.520] Rod? [00:16:09.520] >> There we go. [00:16:10.280] >> hear you loud and clear, guys. [00:16:11.560] >> Contact. So, this is a a good friend of [00:16:13.920] mine and he was inspired, you know, we [00:16:15.760] talked a little bit about the mission to [00:16:17.520] the moon and what’s been going on. So, [00:16:19.040] Rod just wanted to know from everything [00:16:20.680] that you’ve been involved with, what do [00:16:22.560] you think of Mike’s Artemis mission and [00:16:25.280] and what we’re doing as Americans right [00:16:26.680] now, going back to the moon? [00:16:30.280] >> Well, to me, listen, of of course I’m [00:16:32.000] thrilled anytime we are looking out [00:16:34.160] beyond our planet and questioning what’s [00:16:36.640] out there and trying to explore and and [00:16:39.080] through that exploration [00:16:41.160] hopefully bettering ourselves as a [00:16:43.160] species, I’m I’m completely on board. [00:16:45.600] That is that is the philosophy that I [00:16:47.400] grew up with. Um that is that is Star [00:16:49.880] Trek and it’s in its at its core. And [00:16:52.760] it’s it’s the only way our society and [00:16:54.920] humanity is going to thrive. [00:16:57.839] >> Well, thank you so much for um you know, [00:16:59.640] coming on and risking it with your wild [00:17:01.520] friend Jeremy to talk about UFOs, but I [00:17:04.600] imagine, you know, we’ve talked about it [00:17:05.880] before, you don’t have any direct [00:17:07.280] knowledge of the UAP or UFO issue, but [00:17:09.839] have you seen what’s been going on over [00:17:11.360] the last number of years and are you [00:17:12.720] inspired that we’re going to get more [00:17:14.360] answers um about the UFO issue? [00:17:18.839] >> I mean, of course I’m inspired. I mean, [00:17:20.360] I get to see a lot of this stuff because [00:17:21.800] you send me incredible links and then [00:17:23.600] some of it is just coming it’s becoming [00:17:25.199] more mainstream, which I think is a [00:17:27.160] great thing. Um, you know, I truly do [00:17:29.680] believe there is life out there. My only [00:17:32.040] question is and and you and I will [00:17:33.600] differ in this area whether they’re here [00:17:35.000] or not. It’s not that I don’t think they [00:17:36.600] are. I just, you know, I want to see, [00:17:39.360] touch, say hello um, to them in person [00:17:43.240] before I’m I’m willing to to uh, [00:17:45.800] just jump in with them being here. But I [00:17:47.520] there’s life in our galaxy for sure. Um, [00:17:50.600] we just have to find it. [00:17:53.480] >> Well, [00:17:54.400] uh, there was life around the moon last [00:17:57.680] week and that wasn’t just because of [00:18:00.080] NASA, Rod. That was because of the [00:18:02.440] vision that your father had and the [00:18:04.720] torch that you have continued to carry. [00:18:07.640] That the Artemis program was inspired by [00:18:11.200] Star Trek. [00:18:12.600] And I can tell you, while we use [00:18:15.280] LOX, kerosene, oxygen for fuel, the real [00:18:19.120] fuel that drives so many of us forward [00:18:21.880] in the space industry is the vision of [00:18:24.920] Star Trek. That is what carries us to [00:18:27.040] the stars. [00:18:28.200] When I was at NASA, I led the [00:18:30.040] development of the Artemis Accords. [00:18:33.760] And I took the name from Yeah, it sounds [00:18:36.520] it sounds like you may know already. [00:18:38.480] Uh, from the K’t’inga Accords. [00:18:40.240] Accords. [00:18:41.640] But we didn’t just take the name from [00:18:43.080] Star Trek, we took the values of Star [00:18:45.480] Trek in the Accords, which has now been [00:18:47.760] signed by 61 nations. [00:18:51.720] Are these countries, a third of the [00:18:53.240] world, coming together [00:18:55.760] to say that we want a future in space [00:18:58.760] that is peaceful, that is transparent, [00:19:02.520] where science is freely released, where [00:19:05.400] we can be entrepreneurial, where we can [00:19:07.480] be safe, where we will respect heritage [00:19:10.680] and where we will cooperate. If there’s [00:19:13.760] anything more Star Trek than that, I [00:19:16.200] don’t know what it is. So, I thank you, [00:19:18.360] Rod, and your legacy for creating that [00:19:21.320] inspiration that then influenced [00:19:23.840] reality. [00:19:26.080] >> Well, I I I thank you for the those [00:19:27.760] kudos. You know, my my father, um [00:19:30.240] he was of course inspired by the authors [00:19:32.480] of of his the the his generation. And [00:19:36.480] had the opportunity correspond with [00:19:38.160] Caltech and JPL while he was coming up [00:19:40.960] with these ideas. And and it was really [00:19:43.600] science [00:19:45.080] and space that inspired him. [00:19:47.120] So, you know, it’s it’s a cyclical [00:19:48.640] thing. And um you telling me sort of the [00:19:52.200] the the [00:19:53.440] the bones of the accords there of the [00:19:56.040] Artemis Accords [00:19:58.040] that I love the fact that you said that [00:19:59.760] is Star Trek because Star Trek [00:20:02.320] Can you hear me? [00:20:03.200] >> Yes, sorry. You were making a bones [00:20:05.040] comment, so as a McCoy fan, I had to [00:20:07.080] call it out. [00:20:09.560] >> So, um I love the fact that you [00:20:12.280] connected Star Trek with those values as [00:20:14.520] opposed to just a science fiction TV [00:20:16.480] show. And I I do really appreciate that, [00:20:18.400] and I do believe in that as well. Um it [00:20:20.720] is we do not have to have that exact [00:20:23.160] future, but it’s an excellent road map [00:20:25.480] for us to follow. [00:20:27.000] So, I I I I think the Artemis Accords [00:20:29.800] are a phenomenal uh I don’t want to say [00:20:31.680] start, but continuation of trying to [00:20:33.840] make the future a better place for all [00:20:35.760] humanity. [00:20:38.000] >> You know, um over the last since 2017 [00:20:40.360] when the New York Times came out with [00:20:41.680] the article, you know, saying that we [00:20:43.360] have been studying UAP and that there’s [00:20:45.640] a number of programs that have been held [00:20:47.320] secret, but now uh at least one has been [00:20:49.640] admitted. It’s the largest UAP study [00:20:52.080] that’s acknowledged by our government in [00:20:53.600] history. Then you see people testifying [00:20:55.600] in front of Congress to direct and [00:20:57.520] personal knowledge uh about the UAP [00:20:59.960] reverse-engineering programs. And I’m [00:21:01.520] I’m not saying that. That was testified [00:21:03.040] to in Congress by David Grusch and [00:21:05.280] others. And then you see these these [00:21:07.040] videos that somehow make their way out [00:21:08.920] into the wild. You know, as journalists [00:21:10.840] we obtain and release things. And And [00:21:12.280] the last one shows undeniably [00:21:14.760] instantaneous acceleration. That wasn’t [00:21:16.840] my assessment of the video. That was our [00:21:19.560] own um intelligence agency’s [00:21:21.200] investigation of that footage. You [00:21:23.000] should all go look at that. But Rod, [00:21:24.800] when you see all this coming forward, [00:21:26.520] you know, it’s not a matter of belief. [00:21:28.120] It’s either true or it’s not true. There [00:21:30.280] are machines that outpace, outmaneuver, [00:21:32.520] and outperform anything that anybody in [00:21:35.000] this room has created, right? Or it’s [00:21:37.800] not true. [00:21:38.480] >> Yeah. [00:21:38.960] >> The evidence seems to say that it is [00:21:40.960] true, that somebody made, fabricated [00:21:43.200] these vehicles, and we do capture them, [00:21:45.600] and people have testified about it. So [00:21:47.400] with all of that kind of, you know, put [00:21:48.800] that in your pipe and smoke it, Rod. Do [00:21:50.760] you feel [00:21:52.240] Do you feel Would you be shocked if if [00:21:54.640] indeed the UAP issue [00:21:57.160] deals with hard physical craft that some [00:21:59.360] people have known for a while, and that [00:22:01.280] that is starting to percolate um to the [00:22:03.120] surface. Would you be surprised in that [00:22:05.000] revelation that, you know, we are not [00:22:06.960] alone, and we have been visited, and [00:22:08.880] it’s on a continuous basis for a long [00:22:10.640] time. Would that shock you? [00:22:13.520] >> I’m I mean I mean you’re using the word [00:22:14.680] shock. No, I would be excited. I would [00:22:16.880] be thrilled. I’d be like, “It’s about [00:22:18.600] time. Thank you for telling us. When can [00:22:20.600] we meet them? When can we look at this [00:22:21.960] stuff? When can we When can we have the [00:22:23.920] information that you have?” Um and it’s [00:22:27.240] not that I need uh uh blueprints and and [00:22:29.920] details. I just want to know that it’s [00:22:33.760] it’s beyond a doubt anymore. Fact. And I [00:22:37.560] know it is fact because you’ve seen the [00:22:39.800] videos, but there’s still that layer of [00:22:41.880] the video. And And being a a skep Being [00:22:44.520] a skeptic, I will be skeptical until I [00:22:47.720] get to touch it myself. Um I’m not [00:22:50.320] saying it doesn’t exist. I’m saying I’m [00:22:52.760] one degree away from saying it’s 100% [00:22:55.600] true. [00:22:56.400] >> Can I go back to the Artemis Accords for [00:22:58.640] a moment? One of the most important [00:23:01.120] principles of the accords is [00:23:02.440] transparency. [00:23:04.000] And Jeremy, what you have been doing [00:23:05.840] here on Earth is trying to make sure we [00:23:08.160] have transparency [00:23:09.840] on the UAP topic. Providing these [00:23:13.720] videos, [00:23:15.200] again, maybe we can’t all touch it just [00:23:16.960] like our Redwire cameras and can’t all [00:23:18.320] go to the moon, but seeing is believing. [00:23:21.080] And I am so grateful to you and George [00:23:23.240] Knapp and everyone you’ve been working [00:23:25.400] with to bring this information forward [00:23:29.000] not just to the public but to our [00:23:30.280] members of Congress because this is a [00:23:32.480] national security issue. If this is [00:23:35.720] real, if something extraordinary is [00:23:37.560] going on, and Secretary Rubio talked [00:23:39.120] about this in age of disclosure, and we [00:23:41.720] are not taking it seriously, that is a [00:23:44.600] threat to us and a threat to our [00:23:47.120] freedom. So, let’s not make a lack of [00:23:49.600] imagination turn into a lack of freedom. [00:23:53.480] >> So, Rod, um, you know, I wanted to thank [00:23:55.200] you for for just, you know, being here [00:23:57.120] and always showing up um for your crazy [00:23:59.000] buddy Jeremy. Um, if if you’re talking [00:24:01.480] to this audience here, people within the [00:24:03.440] aerospace industry, you know, that that [00:24:05.600] may have exposure to some of this stuff, [00:24:07.680] um, do you have any message for them [00:24:09.240] about their exploration in the years to [00:24:11.600] come? [00:24:14.040] >> Uh, wow, a message. Um, yeah, yeah, [00:24:17.120] yeah, you know, I’m being put on the [00:24:18.080] spot here. [00:24:20.480] I’ll tell you what, with all technology, [00:24:22.920] whether it’s uh terrestrial or beyond, [00:24:25.960] um, [00:24:26.800] you know, we [00:24:28.760] we’re we’re our technology is [00:24:30.280] exponentially increasing, but [00:24:31.720] unfortunately on some parts of this [00:24:33.920] planet and and the the US seems to have [00:24:37.080] a good portion of this, our intellect is [00:24:39.120] not. And so, what we do with the [00:24:41.440] technology is the most important thing. [00:24:44.520] And so, whatever they have access to, [00:24:47.000] whatever they don’t have access to, [00:24:48.400] whatever they’re creating, whatever [00:24:49.560] they’re developing, [00:24:51.160] um, [00:24:51.920] there is this balance of of let us know, [00:24:55.880] give us our freedom, tell us it exists, [00:24:59.040] but maybe some things shouldn’t be in [00:25:02.080] our possession just yet. [00:25:04.200] Um so I I I have mixed feelings on it. I [00:25:06.280] don’t know if that’s a message, but it’s [00:25:09.280] it’s um [00:25:11.000] Please please let us know it exists, but [00:25:13.720] I’m not saying I need to have one in my [00:25:15.480] backyard yet. [00:25:17.920] >> So it’s not often I get to talk to Rod [00:25:19.720] Roddenberry. So Rod, again, thank you, [00:25:22.080] but I have to ask you a question. [00:25:24.640] Uh with Strange New Worlds having [00:25:26.400] wrapped, uh with Starfleet Academy [00:25:28.280] finished, kind of at a crossroads for [00:25:30.560] Star Trek, what do you hope to see the [00:25:33.640] future of the Star Trek franchise be? [00:25:38.520] >> Oh, that’s a that’s a great question. [00:25:40.360] You know, I I [00:25:42.280] So I can just tell you the kind of Star [00:25:43.920] Trek I like. I like the Star Trek that [00:25:46.280] that presents a situation and makes you [00:25:49.000] consider a slightly different point of [00:25:51.200] view that you hadn’t really considered [00:25:52.640] before. And where it sneaks it into the [00:25:54.840] story, [00:25:56.000] it’s not thrust into your face, but you [00:25:58.760] get to see another point of view, which [00:26:01.000] challenges your own point of view, even [00:26:03.760] just a little bit. And every time our [00:26:06.480] knowledge base every time we’re [00:26:08.400] challenged a little bit, we grow [00:26:10.360] intellectually, [00:26:12.320] uh emotionally, [00:26:14.040] um and and that is the most important [00:26:15.680] thing to life is for us to grow and [00:26:17.600] evolve. And so when Star Trek does that, [00:26:19.960] and I’m making Star Trek sound so [00:26:21.440] academic, of course it needs to have a [00:26:23.760] great story. Of course it needs to have [00:26:26.160] action and adventure and great [00:26:27.680] characters. Um but with all of that, it [00:26:31.800] it really should just make you look at [00:26:33.320] something, tilt your head a bit, and [00:26:34.520] say, “You know what? I never thought of [00:26:35.680] it that way.” That is what I’m looking [00:26:37.520] for in future Star Trek. And I’ll tell [00:26:40.040] you what, I I I hate to promote another [00:26:42.200] show. I mean, of course I’ve I’ve seen [00:26:43.720] Hail Mary, you know, three times now, [00:26:46.200] and that is a great example of science [00:26:48.480] fiction that’s science fiction. It’s not [00:26:50.680] popcorn science fiction. It is science [00:26:53.040] fiction that’s believable and it’s about [00:26:55.640] characters and it’s about friendship. [00:26:57.440] It’s it it doesn’t dwell on having a bad [00:27:00.000] guy. It doesn’t dwell on just the [00:27:01.640] action. [00:27:02.960] Um that is great storytelling. So, [00:27:06.280] I want great Star Trek storytelling that [00:27:08.600] makes you consider different points of [00:27:10.760] view. [00:27:11.200] >> I thought Project Hail Mary was a great [00:27:13.480] Star Trek film. It’s why I saw it twice. [00:27:17.400] >> I I I don’t want Star Trek to take [00:27:19.000] credit for it by any stretch, but Star [00:27:20.960] Trek needs to be doing that kind of [00:27:22.920] science fiction in my opinion. [00:27:25.000] >> Well, Rod, thank you so much for joining [00:27:26.640] us today. I really appreciate you uh [00:27:28.440] just showing up and talking to us. I [00:27:29.800] know Mike’s obviously a a big fan, but I [00:27:31.840] think a lot of people here are also. So, [00:27:33.560] thanks for jumping in. [00:27:34.800] >> Live long and prosper. [00:27:36.320] >> I could be there everyone. I I’m I [00:27:38.040] definitely want to come next year if I’m [00:27:39.320] allowed. [00:27:40.920] >> I think I think you’ll be allowed. We’re [00:27:42.200] saving you a seat. [00:27:43.520] >> All right, buddy. I’ll talk to you soon. [00:27:44.720] >> Awesome. [00:27:46.280] Live long and prosper everyone. [00:27:47.640] >> Thank you. [00:27:48.600] >> So, one question I have to have about [00:27:51.000] Rod Roddenberry, I know the answer but [00:27:52.600] our audience won’t. How is it that you [00:27:54.440] guys were pals? I mean, I’m would [00:27:56.200] imagine that the neighborhood that he [00:27:57.920] had in in LA or Beverly Hills was kind [00:28:00.560] of you know, upper class. [00:28:03.080] What were you doing in that [00:28:03.920] neighborhood? [00:28:04.520] >> You right, right. They’re letting me in [00:28:05.880] like the space conference. So, I you [00:28:07.840] know, Rod Roddenberry went to the same [00:28:09.920] high school and actually he started the [00:28:12.080] jiu-jitsu club with my older brother. It [00:28:15.000] was called Harvard-Westlake School and [00:28:17.320] they started training together. I was [00:28:18.520] like the young kid, but they let me come [00:28:20.040] train. I used to skip to go train at [00:28:22.600] that high school way before I went there [00:28:24.960] and um so, Rod Roddenberry was kind of [00:28:27.200] like an older brother to me with my [00:28:28.800] older brother and they would um they [00:28:30.480] were the first like black belts in that [00:28:32.160] system. So, we actually got a black belt [00:28:34.320] from through the same jiu-jitsu system. [00:28:36.200] So, our friendship was always based upon [00:28:38.600] jiu-jitsu and our training together. [00:28:40.200] Same with Jules Urbach, luminary in the [00:28:43.360] AI and artificial intelligence field. Um [00:28:46.280] so, that’s how I know Rod and it was [00:28:48.400] really fun. We got a lot of great [00:28:49.600] stories of partying together when we [00:28:50.960] were young. [00:28:51.880] >> Okay, I’m going to need some of those. [00:28:53.360] I’m going to need to hear some of those. [00:28:54.600] But, yeah, we got to meet him last year. [00:28:56.360] He invited invited us to an event in in [00:28:58.840] LA. That was also very cool and seems [00:29:01.280] like just like his dad, he has great [00:29:03.120] vision and great imagination. [00:29:05.000] >> Yeah, he’s a really good dude. [00:29:06.760] >> I think in UFO world, this might be the [00:29:08.960] most significant event that happened at [00:29:11.120] that space symposium and that is David [00:29:13.640] Grusch. [00:29:14.640] The public has been demanding, “Hey, [00:29:16.000] let’s hear from David Grusch.” We’ve [00:29:17.800] pestered him forever about coming on [00:29:19.400] Weaponized. It hasn’t happened until [00:29:21.600] now. And he participated in this. [00:29:24.360] Had some really powerful things to say [00:29:26.320] about the state of events in UAP UFO [00:29:29.520] world and what might come next. Um [00:29:32.240] That must have been hard to kind of [00:29:33.320] twist his arm a little bit to get him to [00:29:35.120] be part of that even though he’s worked [00:29:37.080] in sort of the space sector [00:29:39.800] as an intelligence guy for a very long [00:29:41.640] time, right? [00:29:43.000] >> Yeah, David Grusch has a really rich [00:29:44.840] history, professional history that I [00:29:47.000] think people kind of bypass. You know, [00:29:49.560] him coming out like a Sirocco. I mean, [00:29:51.600] it it it’s it’s amazing that you get [00:29:53.560] somebody like that who breaks from the [00:29:55.280] fold. If you remember in Huntsville, [00:29:56.600] Alabama, the first time he came up and [00:29:58.680] leaned over to you at the bar, I [00:30:00.480] happened to be filming and he was [00:30:02.320] basically saying, “Here is my ICIG [00:30:04.680] complaint.” Showed it to you. He’s like, [00:30:06.560] “I’m coming forward. I got to do this.” [00:30:09.320] And he was checking with you about you [00:30:11.160] know, what does this mean? What’s going [00:30:12.520] to happen to me when I do this? You [00:30:14.320] know, because you’ve been through this a [00:30:15.800] lot all the way from Lazar all the way [00:30:17.840] back. So, him coming forward, it it was [00:30:20.520] his peers. You know, he’s speaking to [00:30:22.480] the space industry and [00:30:25.120] he had some very powerful words. If [00:30:27.720] people look at what he said and they [00:30:29.920] really decipher it, he was giving some [00:30:31.800] hints there about kind of what’s [00:30:33.960] happened and where this is going. [00:30:36.000] >> Yeah, I would it’s powerful stuff. So, [00:30:37.640] let’s jump right into it. We can talk on [00:30:39.400] the other side. Our next guest is [00:30:41.760] somebody I want him to introduce himself [00:30:43.720] to you because of his career and what [00:30:45.840] he’s done. [00:30:47.160] But famously it’s David Grusch. He came [00:30:49.560] in front of Congress and he broke from [00:30:51.240] the mold. [00:30:52.520] He is not He is an honest person. He [00:30:55.120] didn’t take that choice lightly. He came [00:30:57.000] to George Knapp and me years before he [00:30:58.640] went public. And we know we’re debating [00:31:00.600] is it good for his [00:31:02.360] for his life. And and and no, he did it [00:31:05.080] because he believed it was the right [00:31:06.360] thing to do. So hopefully all the [00:31:08.120] technology is working well. You’re [00:31:10.080] you’re going to get a little talk here [00:31:11.400] from from David Grusch. Are you guys [00:31:12.800] aware of who David Grusch is? [00:31:14.880] Yeah, he’s in in this industry for a [00:31:16.320] long time. So I think we got him right [00:31:18.400] here. Can you see and hear us [00:31:20.680] David Grusch? Can you see and hear us? [00:31:23.800] >> I do see you guys. Can you hear me? [00:31:25.520] >> Magic, the technology is working. So [00:31:28.000] this is my good friend, a guy that I [00:31:29.600] really admire. I’m David Grusch. David, [00:31:31.680] do you have like a a few minutes kind of [00:31:33.040] give us a little breakdown of why you’re [00:31:35.000] talking with us here today then we’ll [00:31:36.200] ask you some questions. [00:31:39.040] >> Sure, yes. Thanks for the opportunity [00:31:41.080] Jeremy [00:31:42.120] and my goal as well. Ironically before [00:31:45.760] the topic of my great public infamy, I [00:31:47.880] actually spent 15 years in the space [00:31:51.240] intelligence community. Some people in [00:31:53.160] the audience I may have worked with in [00:31:55.160] the past or or whatnot in certain [00:31:57.480] assignments. But [00:31:59.080] I spent 15 years in this in the intel [00:32:01.000] community before becoming a professional [00:32:02.640] staff member for Congress. That being [00:32:05.400] said, my opinions are on my own not of [00:32:09.520] of Congress. But I served in the Air [00:32:11.880] Force and our own NGA as a senior [00:32:13.920] intelligence officer. And ironically I [00:32:16.280] was also the former intelligence [00:32:17.800] integration division chief for the space [00:32:21.080] security and defense program here in [00:32:23.160] Colorado Springs as well about a decade [00:32:25.760] ago. And I spent many many years [00:32:28.640] providing counter intelligence and [00:32:30.800] program protection support on the X-37B [00:32:34.680] orbital test vehicle. So I have a great [00:32:37.640] experience in test, worked on a lot of [00:32:39.920] space programs, worked on a lot of [00:32:41.600] offensive cyber programs, and uh [00:32:44.640] uh classified ISR programs. But, of most [00:32:48.160] significance to the topic we’re going to [00:32:49.680] discuss today, um in my last assignment [00:32:52.880] during the IC, [00:32:54.520] I dealt with a transmedium threats and [00:32:56.520] unknown uh anomalous activity in our [00:32:59.000] skies, in our space domain, and and [00:33:01.760] undersea. So, uh I believe we’re [00:33:05.040] entering in an era in which, you know, [00:33:06.920] most consequential threats may not [00:33:09.040] present themselves in familiar ways. Um [00:33:11.560] some will present unique signatures, [00:33:13.840] some will maneuver in non-standard ways, [00:33:17.040] some will exploit transitions across our [00:33:19.400] airspace and upper atmospheric [00:33:21.520] environments so that our legacy kind of [00:33:23.560] sensor and analytical constructs still [00:33:26.600] street, you know, treat us as separate [00:33:28.200] problems. And I know that’s something [00:33:29.520] that the Golden Dome program, which is [00:33:31.840] the president’s priority, is is trying [00:33:33.480] to tackle. [00:33:34.720] Um [00:33:35.840] but because of some of these [00:33:38.920] uh advanced UAS and anomalous [00:33:41.000] detections, you know, has changed our [00:33:42.720] threat picture, and certainly uh the [00:33:45.360] intelligence community is aware of this, [00:33:47.040] and there were, you know, legacy [00:33:48.680] programs tackling this in in I’ll call [00:33:50.880] it rice bowls or stovepipes. And a lot [00:33:54.040] of that data was not shared with me and [00:33:56.160] my team at NGA, [00:33:58.080] uh and ironically, uh not even with the [00:34:01.160] the arrow office that’s currently been [00:34:03.440] instantiated at the Pentagon that tried [00:34:05.800] to tackle this issue from a over [00:34:08.720] perspective. [00:34:10.520] So, all I wanted to really, you know, [00:34:12.280] talk about and we can obviously have a [00:34:13.639] discussion [00:34:15.120] um [00:34:15.840] after I, you know, mention this, but [00:34:17.399] it’s just [00:34:18.480] whether the source is, you know, pure [00:34:19.879] adversary breakthrough, some sort of [00:34:22.040] unacknowledged platform, or uh genuinely [00:34:25.639] unresolved signature sets, you know, the [00:34:27.480] strategic requirement’s still going to [00:34:28.919] be the same, and and that’s persistent [00:34:31.080] sensing, uh rapid attribution, our [00:34:33.760] resilient networks and decision quality [00:34:35.360] data machine speed are really going to [00:34:36.840] be needed to affect this problem set in [00:34:39.919] the future so we reduce strategic [00:34:42.000] surprise [00:34:44.080] and help build our space enabled defense [00:34:46.040] architecture worthy of the threat [00:34:47.440] environment and likely the scientific [00:34:49.720] discovery ahead now that the president [00:34:52.159] you know has promised back in February [00:34:53.960] to release all we know on some of these [00:34:56.919] anomalous signature sets and see the [00:34:58.920] things that we’ve [00:35:00.560] recovered and exploited over the last [00:35:02.440] couple decades. [00:35:04.560] >> Yeah, you know, I I love it when you’re [00:35:06.840] talking about this it’s very [00:35:08.520] matter-of-fact. You did come forward. [00:35:10.920] You blew the whistle. You really broke [00:35:12.800] from the mold. You know, what was your [00:35:14.400] motivation to do that? Why did you feel [00:35:16.760] that this was such an important topic [00:35:18.800] that the average person needed to tune [00:35:20.600] into is there a reason that we need to [00:35:22.600] know this now and that you’re fighting [00:35:24.280] so hard right now with Congress to get [00:35:26.000] this information out to the public? [00:35:30.000] >> Yeah, having spent 15 years in the IC at [00:35:32.160] the highest levels, you know, handled [00:35:33.480] the presidential daily brief. I was [00:35:35.000] cleared to most you know, DOD special [00:35:36.880] access programs. [00:35:38.760] I saw a sharing issue amongst that [00:35:42.120] ecosystem but also a 9/11 like [00:35:45.200] intelligence sharing problem where there [00:35:47.200] were certain centers of excellence that [00:35:49.720] were sequestering this information and [00:35:51.960] the government was starting to spend [00:35:53.400] capital on this problem set overtly but [00:35:55.760] it turned out the government had you [00:35:57.720] know, decades and decades of information [00:36:01.160] and you know, recovered FMA FME’d [00:36:04.120] material and I thought that was a huge [00:36:06.280] issue and it once again it wasn’t being [00:36:08.400] reported to Congress. So back in 2022 I [00:36:11.800] went to the ICIG with people that worked [00:36:15.440] on those programs to blow the whistle [00:36:17.840] and I subsequently briefed you know, the [00:36:19.800] Senate and House intelligence committees [00:36:22.280] in a classified environment and a [00:36:24.120] compartmented environments on those [00:36:26.000] details. [00:36:27.240] >> And and so if this is such a matter of [00:36:29.760] fact and you’ve really fought and put [00:36:31.680] your own [00:36:32.920] you know person you know kind of on the [00:36:35.320] on the line here [00:36:37.880] I What I What I want to understand from [00:36:39.600] you is basically like [00:36:41.160] it is important now that this comes [00:36:42.880] forward but like what is your hope? What [00:36:44.960] is your hope? Is it integration of this [00:36:46.960] knowledge into everyday society? What is [00:36:49.480] your hope right now and are you [00:36:50.920] optimistic from everything that you’ve [00:36:52.360] done over the last few years? [00:36:55.880] >> Yeah, I think there should be a public [00:36:57.080] acknowledgement strategy. Some of that [00:36:58.640] needs to come from the White House in [00:36:59.960] terms of how much that we acknowledge [00:37:02.240] and reveal to the public but I would [00:37:04.000] like to see greater integration with [00:37:06.600] this problem set [00:37:08.440] in our architectures. A lot of it was [00:37:11.600] we’ll call it hidden in an in an onion [00:37:13.640] fashion in a lot of the space [00:37:15.400] architectures a lot of the people in the [00:37:16.920] audience are familiar with both [00:37:18.840] classified and you know over white side [00:37:22.000] space world but we need to be better [00:37:24.360] stewards of the taxpayer money and [00:37:26.080] actually overtly integrate this add this [00:37:29.320] to the national intelligence priority [00:37:30.800] framework list and it actually task our [00:37:34.560] analytical centers overtly whether it be [00:37:37.160] NASIC, DI MISIC, etc. [00:37:40.240] on this so we build a [00:37:42.320] informed larger cadre of people tackling [00:37:44.760] this issue [00:37:46.880] because it is very interesting and and [00:37:50.640] you know there’s some stigma behind it [00:37:52.000] but I would like to see the greater [00:37:53.760] integration so we’re just better [00:37:55.200] stewards of the taxpayer money. [00:37:57.520] >> Hey David, it’s Mike Gold and first and [00:38:00.040] foremost I just want to say from a [00:38:02.200] former government official to another [00:38:04.880] thank you. Thank you for being such a [00:38:06.880] champion for transparency, [00:38:09.240] for accountability, [00:38:10.920] and for being willing to be a martyr on [00:38:12.920] this for taking all the slings and [00:38:14.760] arrows that you have gotten which I know [00:38:16.960] are absolutely non-trivial. So first and [00:38:19.960] foremost thank you. [00:38:21.880] We’re here at the National Space [00:38:23.440] Symposium, and we have a lot of people [00:38:26.320] in uniform around, lot of conversations [00:38:28.760] about national security. I’d love to [00:38:31.320] hear your thoughts about how [00:38:34.640] the cover-up, how the lack of [00:38:37.480] transparency, how the lack of [00:38:39.000] information represents a national [00:38:41.720] security threat to the US, and how you [00:38:45.160] think this issue impacts national [00:38:47.360] security, both how it can be negative [00:38:49.720] and how we could improve national [00:38:51.560] security if we were more transparent, [00:38:54.720] and if we were able to get top people [00:38:57.040] working on these issues. [00:39:00.920] >> Yeah, I mean, the the simple impact this [00:39:02.640] is a security stovepiping, and that [00:39:04.360] should be of no surprise with a lot of [00:39:06.000] people in the audience uh that have been [00:39:08.120] in the the special access program or [00:39:09.920] controlled access program environments. [00:39:12.120] You know, I had a lot of very senior [00:39:13.480] friends of mine saying, “Hey Dave, why [00:39:15.640] am I not briefed that this exists? You [00:39:17.680] know, I should know.” And that’s And [00:39:19.280] that’s a big problem. In positions I’ve [00:39:21.560] had, you know, uh [00:39:24.000] at the, you know, NRO [00:39:26.440] operations center, space security [00:39:28.480] defense program, working for the Joint [00:39:30.840] Chiefs, working at NGA as kind of the [00:39:33.160] UAP transmedium issue lead, you know, I [00:39:35.680] had the need to know to be, you know, [00:39:37.200] fully cleared into those programs. And, [00:39:39.760] you know, politics and personalities and [00:39:41.520] rice bowl kind of mentality, you know, [00:39:43.400] blocked uh our access as a team for the [00:39:46.040] most part, and I think that that really [00:39:49.200] hurts us, like I was saying earlier, [00:39:51.440] where we should be leveraging um you [00:39:53.800] know, national overhead enterprise and [00:39:55.600] and other parts of our national [00:39:57.240] intelligence enterprise on this topic, [00:39:59.400] but we use it, you know, in secret, on [00:40:02.240] the down low, the night job of a certain [00:40:04.880] analyst at NASIC who also works for the [00:40:08.000] the legacy program that’s also analyzing [00:40:10.160] this stuff without telling his boss. [00:40:12.080] That’s essentially um how the program [00:40:14.560] has um [00:40:16.480] you know, dealt with this over the time [00:40:18.160] and I just think that that’s a real [00:40:19.840] travesty and I think [00:40:22.280] being able to overtly integrate it in [00:40:24.240] our architecture also prevents [00:40:26.640] false flag issues. So, there was [00:40:28.120] actually a famous 1971 treaty between [00:40:31.080] the USSR and the US. You can look it up. [00:40:33.800] It’s unclassified. [00:40:35.480] It was signed in September 1971 and [00:40:37.760] you’ll see article 3, they were worried [00:40:39.960] about the UAP problem set triggering [00:40:42.520] nuclear escalation because of the [00:40:45.080] misidentification of anomalous activity [00:40:47.120] near NC3 assets. And so, I think that’ll [00:40:51.200] de-escalate possible geopolitical issues [00:40:53.960] if we overtly bring out the topic as [00:40:55.640] well. That’s kind of a more prosaic, [00:40:57.400] unexpected, you know, second order [00:41:00.080] consequence of more transparency. [00:41:02.280] >> You know, David, if you’re a weaponized [00:41:04.120] regular listener, which I am, you’ll [00:41:06.720] always see optimism from my friend here, [00:41:09.160] Jeremy, and pessimism from George Knapp. [00:41:13.040] To me, we’ve made amazing progress in a [00:41:15.160] relatively short of time. Again, because [00:41:16.960] of people like you and your courage, [00:41:18.800] David. Just the fact that there were [00:41:20.920] congressional hearings, I think was [00:41:22.960] extraordinary and helps push back [00:41:24.760] against the stigma. So, here we are now. [00:41:27.800] We’ve got a statement from the President [00:41:29.960] of the United States. We have the [00:41:32.400] Secretary of State talking about this [00:41:34.640] issue publicly in age of disclosure. [00:41:37.320] We’ve got the DNI talking about it in [00:41:40.200] her confirmation hearing. 49 files have [00:41:43.480] been identified in part due to your [00:41:45.000] wonderful work. What do you think [00:41:46.880] happens next, David? What what are your [00:41:48.640] hopes, particularly for the near term in [00:41:51.080] this year, next year? What do you think [00:41:53.280] that will happen that could move us [00:41:54.720] forward? What do you think needs to [00:41:56.120] happen? [00:41:58.200] >> Yes, certainly Secretary Rubio was a [00:42:00.000] recipient of all the classified [00:42:01.480] information I handed over when I was in [00:42:03.800] in the intelligence community through [00:42:05.800] the ICIG. [00:42:07.880] Secretary Rubio is very well informed. [00:42:10.000] Um, would recommend the [00:42:12.520] White House interface with the [00:42:14.560] President’s Intelligence Advisory Board. [00:42:16.360] Mr. Devin Nunes is the chair and [00:42:18.480] actually concoct a plan [00:42:20.520] with the cabinet based on the breakdown [00:42:23.080] of different mission areas that each [00:42:24.480] cabinet member will have to deal with in [00:42:25.960] this issue to include, you know, public [00:42:28.120] health concerns and HHS to include, you [00:42:30.360] know, national security defense concerns [00:42:31.880] with Tulsi Gabbard and and Pete Hegseth. [00:42:34.240] And I think we’ll get, you know, a basic [00:42:36.080] affirmation [00:42:37.760] um [00:42:38.520] to to meet the President’s intent based [00:42:40.360] on his his tweet back in in February. [00:42:44.000] Will it be everything the public [00:42:46.000] wants? I don’t know. I’ll certainly be [00:42:47.760] an advocate for that and I know Congress [00:42:50.640] um strongly wants the executive branch [00:42:53.080] to come clean with with everything it [00:42:54.920] knows and I know the the members, you [00:42:57.000] know, I support to include Congressman [00:42:58.960] Eric Burlison who’ll be speaking here [00:43:00.280] earlier or later, excuse me, [00:43:02.880] um [00:43:03.600] will be pushing for that. So, I think [00:43:05.160] they’ll be the legislative branch kind [00:43:07.040] of counter balancing whatever the [00:43:08.240] executive does to kind of ensure we we [00:43:10.760] achieve the transparency that the [00:43:12.120] American public uh wants. I certainly [00:43:14.920] have advised the administration over the [00:43:16.480] last year or so [00:43:18.160] um and spent a lot of time with, you [00:43:19.640] know, high-level officials working for [00:43:20.920] the President to try to uh provide my [00:43:23.520] sage advice on it and I’ll leave that at [00:43:25.280] that just to keep confidences in some of [00:43:27.480] my uh sensitive conversations. [00:43:29.880] Uh but uh I hope for the best and I [00:43:32.320] think there’s a high expectation for the [00:43:34.360] President to deliver and I think if he [00:43:36.080] does reveal everything that I was I came [00:43:39.040] in contact with, he’s going to go down [00:43:41.160] in history as um a great figure [00:43:43.520] historically regardless of your [00:43:45.400] political persuasion and personal [00:43:47.240] opinion of the President. [00:43:50.120] >> So, yeah, I guess kind of final [00:43:51.600] question. Our audience is not just going [00:43:53.560] to be people here. It’s going to be [00:43:54.520] millions of people outside of here when [00:43:56.800] we release this episode. Just in plain [00:43:59.080] English for those people, what do you [00:44:00.760] want people to understand from your [00:44:02.560] experience about UAP, about the [00:44:04.960] presence, the UAP presence here on [00:44:07.840] planet Earth. I mean, straight up, what [00:44:09.680] do you want people to know, David [00:44:11.360] Grusch? [00:44:14.480] >> Yours truly anomalous signatures in the [00:44:16.200] skies, the US government understands it [00:44:19.160] represents a form of sentient non-human [00:44:22.840] intelligence. I know that sounds very [00:44:24.360] Star Trek, ala you know, Gene [00:44:26.440] Roddenberry and Rod’s dad’s sci-fi [00:44:28.840] series, but it is true. [00:44:31.760] And I I want you know, the American [00:44:33.920] public to be comforted that the the [00:44:36.000] universe is [00:44:38.000] teeming with life, it seems and readily [00:44:41.640] you know, able to be explored and the US [00:44:44.080] government does have a lot of [00:44:45.720] information that I think will inspire [00:44:48.440] Gen Alpha and Gen Z and the American [00:44:50.560] populace at large and [00:44:53.120] it will be a new era. It’ll be a little [00:44:54.680] uncomfortable, there’ll be some truths [00:44:56.360] that are be a hard pill to swallow, but [00:44:58.040] I think it’s ultimately a good thing to [00:45:00.720] get this out there and I think [00:45:02.880] the people of the world and the American [00:45:04.240] public will be very [00:45:05.800] happy to [00:45:08.160] um [00:45:08.800] understand their place in the universe, [00:45:10.160] so to speak, without sounding too much [00:45:11.800] like Carl Sagan. [00:45:13.160] >> Well, I want to thank you so much. Um, [00:45:14.480] you know, we’ve known each other for [00:45:15.480] years. You’ve taken a lot of hits on [00:45:16.920] this subject. You’ve really, you know, [00:45:18.280] put yourself out there. You’re fighting [00:45:19.640] behind the scenes as well as, you know, [00:45:21.720] doing things like this. So, I just want [00:45:23.160] to thank you for what you’ve done for [00:45:25.360] this topic and for the truth and you’ve [00:45:27.320] really put it on the line and we all [00:45:28.680] support you and I I know we’re going to [00:45:30.680] see good things as we move forward. So, [00:45:32.440] just thank you so much, David Grusch. I [00:45:33.840] really appreciate you being here with us [00:45:35.600] today. [00:45:36.000] >> Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Let’s [00:45:37.080] have a round of applause for David [00:45:38.320] Grusch. [00:45:40.120] >> Thanks, brother. [00:45:41.040] >> Thanks, guys. [00:45:41.920] >> So, to me, a couple of things stood out. [00:45:44.720] One is him saying flat out to this [00:45:46.640] audience and I don’t know how many of [00:45:48.200] them who were there knew who David [00:45:50.360] Grusch was or the significance of him [00:45:52.520] being part of this event, but I’m sure [00:45:54.320] they knew by the end of his presentation [00:45:56.320] there. Him saying that, you know, he was [00:45:58.200] talking about transmedium craft of [00:46:01.520] unknown origin [00:46:03.080] that sort of that we’re seeing in space [00:46:05.640] in our skies in the water and all those [00:46:07.720] domains and they change the whole [00:46:09.960] dynamic of what a threat might be going [00:46:12.320] forward not necessarily hostile but how [00:46:14.840] they could interfere with our ability to [00:46:17.440] carry out space programs and space [00:46:19.520] exploration and having labs and things [00:46:22.240] in in the um [00:46:24.000] you know near Earth orbit kind of thing. [00:46:26.920] >> Yeah, everybody was very hip to the idea [00:46:29.680] of all domain awareness and all domain [00:46:32.440] main protection. You could tell in [00:46:35.120] talking with anybody at that conference [00:46:36.720] with just what they were selling what [00:46:38.040] they were pitching was new technologies [00:46:40.640] new software new hardware to protect all [00:46:43.640] domains. So when David Grusch comes out [00:46:45.320] and talks about transmedium there wasn’t [00:46:47.120] a single person that didn’t understand [00:46:49.240] what he was saying and I will say [00:46:51.480] everybody knew who he was. We when [00:46:53.480] you’re in the booth and you’re on the [00:46:55.000] stage and you look at like usually [00:46:57.000] people just kind of pass by and it’s a [00:46:58.760] casual thing where they’re watching. [00:47:00.600] When they saw weaponize was going to be [00:47:02.160] there with like David Grusch it just [00:47:04.440] flooded it flooded everybody was there. [00:47:06.520] So people knew who he was and they [00:47:08.320] wanted to hear what he had to say and [00:47:09.600] that luckily it’s recorded so the whole [00:47:11.400] world can hear it now. [00:47:13.160] >> Yeah, people in this audience they build [00:47:15.240] the most sophisticated space technology [00:47:18.040] aerospace technology that exists on [00:47:20.560] planet Earth. They know it’s not ours. [00:47:23.000] So when David Grusch says this is not [00:47:24.560] us. [00:47:25.560] They know. [00:47:26.280] >> Right? Yeah. [00:47:27.240] Absolutely absolutely there was no [00:47:28.840] question. I mean it’s it’s such a unique [00:47:31.240] people to be around and people felt you [00:47:33.560] know that without breaking any oaths or [00:47:35.320] stepping over any lines there was a lot [00:47:37.400] of encouragement coming and also you [00:47:40.280] know when they heard David was was [00:47:41.760] speaking [00:47:42.960] they did they knew who he was and people [00:47:45.280] packed in. [00:47:46.920] >> Couple of things that he said that might [00:47:48.400] have gone over some heads but he [00:47:49.880] mentions very quickly that AARO was not [00:47:52.880] in the loop for everything that they [00:47:54.640] were on on outside looking in which must [00:47:56.560] have really pissed him off. He said, um [00:47:59.560] he mentioned things that we have [00:48:01.720] recovered over the past several decades. [00:48:05.320] Pretty big clue right there that he [00:48:07.840] still maintains we have recovered craft [00:48:10.440] and discs of unknown origin. And he [00:48:12.480] mentioned the 1971 treaty that the USA [00:48:16.200] and the USSR had [00:48:17.960] uh to prevent a misidentification of UAP [00:48:22.520] um and stop that from becoming perceived [00:48:25.680] as a potential attack on either country [00:48:28.320] where World War III could erupt as a [00:48:30.720] result. Pretty good stuff. [00:48:32.880] >> Yeah, and it’s it’s actually you [00:48:34.320] reported on that, you know, a long time [00:48:36.320] ago, which is that there were issues [00:48:38.600] with unknowns coming into these [00:48:40.920] territories and we were really worried [00:48:42.840] about a nuclear war between uh US and [00:48:45.240] Russia. And and you’ve reported many [00:48:47.360] times on this that that we did have a [00:48:49.280] treaty, that we did have an [00:48:50.600] understanding. You speak with anybody [00:48:52.720] from Lawrence Livermore back in the ’80s [00:48:54.920] during the height of the Cold War, if [00:48:56.400] they’re working on anything nuclear or [00:48:58.240] low nuclear reaction, they called it, [00:49:00.520] you know, which is cold fusion now, [00:49:02.200] there was a red phone on the wall and [00:49:04.160] they would have a direct counterpart [00:49:05.640] over to Russia. So, there was [00:49:07.600] understanding that um these are not [00:49:10.120] ours, they’re not yours, and we [00:49:12.040] shouldn’t react to them in a in a [00:49:14.800] kind of hasty way. [00:49:16.240] >> Uh watching the exchange between you and [00:49:18.480] he [00:49:19.640] made me write down a thousand questions [00:49:22.280] that I still want to ask him about what [00:49:24.400] his life has been like since then. You [00:49:26.000] know, you and I communicate with Dave on [00:49:27.640] a fairly regular basis. It’s private. [00:49:29.760] These communications are private. We [00:49:31.440] know what challenges he’s faced as a [00:49:33.800] result of having the courage to come [00:49:35.360] forward. I’d love to talk to him again [00:49:37.480] and have a heart-to-heart in person [00:49:39.320] sometime, so [00:49:41.080] we’re going to have to work on that. [00:49:42.400] >> Yeah, I mean, look, he came to you first [00:49:44.200] for a reason, you know, that there’s a [00:49:45.960] reason why he came forward um to you [00:49:48.720] before he went public. And I think we [00:49:50.560] gave him good guidance with it all. but [00:49:52.360] yeah, we talked to him and you know, [00:49:54.320] even just today, you know, you saw Rep. [00:49:56.800] Burchett [00:49:57.520] went out and talked about [00:50:00.160] a suspicious death and and this is a [00:50:02.560] real deal situation here. You know, an [00:50:05.200] individual who was supposed to come [00:50:07.200] testify to Congress who must have had [00:50:09.560] really good access to the legacy [00:50:11.360] programs, you know, I would assume from [00:50:13.400] a technological standpoint [00:50:15.640] um [00:50:17.120] is dead and that is an issue and [00:50:20.240] Congress has brought it up. FBI is [00:50:22.640] involved with that. You know, right now [00:50:24.320] with all these missing scientists and [00:50:25.680] everything or dead scientists, [00:50:27.960] there are some that are in that category [00:50:29.520] that that shouldn’t be from my [00:50:30.800] perspective. I happen to know some [00:50:32.720] specifics, [00:50:34.240] but there are some that it is obviously [00:50:36.960] a really important situation. FBI is [00:50:38.880] directly involved. Like I’m getting [00:50:40.880] right now a text from a friend of mine [00:50:42.720] who’s being questioned, you know, not [00:50:45.440] for involvement, but just for what did [00:50:47.840] you know about these claims, you know. [00:50:50.440] So so this is a situation Congress is [00:50:52.440] taking very seriously. Now you’ve heard [00:50:54.400] a new name and Rep. Burchett put that [00:50:56.360] out. I would [00:50:58.440] I would say that that is an important [00:51:01.000] name to look at. Now I don’t know all [00:51:02.720] the details, but absolutely it’s seen as [00:51:05.560] a suspicious death to somebody who said [00:51:07.600] they would never do it that way. [00:51:09.840] So [00:51:10.360] >> And I’ve heard a couple of names over [00:51:11.680] the last couple of years and we haven’t [00:51:13.720] been able to move forward with them. [00:51:15.280] Suspicious deaths of people who were [00:51:17.560] directly involved with a UFO UAP [00:51:20.920] technology. [00:51:22.360] I think some of these names I agree with [00:51:24.120] you that have been mentioned about [00:51:25.880] scientists who are missing or strange [00:51:27.600] deaths probably don’t belong in that [00:51:29.800] category. This guy did. You know, we’ve [00:51:32.880] kind of been blocked from going forward. [00:51:35.160] We were not allowed to reveal names, but [00:51:38.680] Burchett’s because of his Burchett [00:51:40.520] because of his courage, now the name’s [00:51:42.920] out there and people can get to work. It [00:51:44.800] was It’s to have him there. [00:51:46.800] I mean, he really has [00:51:48.720] um you know, broken through some some [00:51:51.120] barriers in terms of hey, uh [00:51:53.680] I’m not going to take no for an answer. [00:51:55.160] I want to get to the bottom of this. [00:51:56.720] Leading the charge for the house along [00:51:59.120] with Burchett and Luna and a few others. [00:52:02.240] And it was great to have him on stage to [00:52:04.000] speak to this group. [00:52:05.920] >> Yeah, Rep Burlison is the people’s champ [00:52:08.160] when it comes to UAP. You know, he has [00:52:10.160] been designated as the guy running [00:52:12.080] forward. He’s gotten further than when [00:52:14.440] you were kind of working with uh [00:52:17.560] Amado and he was trying to get access to [00:52:20.200] Papoose. [00:52:21.720] Uh you know, I think Rep Burlison has [00:52:23.200] gotten even further which is which is [00:52:24.880] amazing. We got to get behind the guy. [00:52:27.080] So, when he came on, you know, he kind [00:52:29.720] of gave us an estimate of the situation [00:52:31.360] where he’s at, what he’s doing, and and [00:52:33.760] what we need to be fighting for. It was [00:52:35.160] it was really cool, especially with all [00:52:36.840] the top brass that was sitting in the [00:52:38.280] audience. And I’m kind of watching them [00:52:40.120] as they’re watching him, you know? And [00:52:42.240] it was it was really neat to see that he [00:52:44.600] um [00:52:45.240] he’s fighting for this, man. And we got [00:52:46.840] to get behind him. The only way he’s [00:52:48.840] going to make progress is if we show [00:52:51.000] public support for what he’s doing on [00:52:53.920] our behalf. [00:52:54.920] >> I don’t know if it will be widely known [00:52:57.400] by the time this episode is going to be [00:52:59.760] released, but here in Nevada, [00:53:01.800] I I’d been seeing these hints for a [00:53:03.520] couple of days [00:53:04.920] uh that the VIP visitor was going to be [00:53:07.120] out at Groom Lake. [00:53:08.600] And apparently yesterday, I don’t know [00:53:11.040] if [00:53:11.920] Representative Burlison was with this [00:53:13.840] VIP, but the in question is supposedly [00:53:16.240] Tulsi Gabbard [00:53:18.160] who made a visit. [00:53:19.720] Tulsi Gabbard then took a little Janet [00:53:21.760] plane, I think, and and went to Groom [00:53:23.320] Lake and then came back and and left uh [00:53:26.120] Las Vegas yesterday with and um [00:53:28.840] I don’t know, you know, we’ve pressed uh [00:53:32.000] Eric Burlison about which facilities [00:53:34.560] he’ll be uh visiting on his national [00:53:37.720] security tour. [00:53:39.080] I don’t want to give anything away, but [00:53:40.480] I hope he was in that plane along with [00:53:42.320] uh with Tulsi Gabbard. [00:53:44.640] >> Yeah, it is our job to press and ask the [00:53:47.200] questions. He even said in one of our [00:53:48.720] episodes that, you know, this [00:53:50.920] you know, journalism is so important [00:53:52.720] with with getting this truth out, but we [00:53:54.080] know when we do press him, he does have [00:53:55.920] to balance the idea of what he’s trying [00:53:57.680] to do. He doesn’t want to get shut down. [00:53:59.480] Like, for example, the 46 videos, you [00:54:01.920] know, that that’s it that’s a big deal. [00:54:03.680] They put out publicly Rep Luna like as a [00:54:06.000] show of force put out publicly, “Hey, [00:54:09.000] sounds good, President Trump. You said [00:54:10.680] declassify. I’m going to take you on [00:54:12.280] your word and like let’s get these [00:54:14.200] videos out.” So, they put out this [00:54:16.000] letter to Pete Hegseth. [00:54:18.120] And um it’s still undetermined whether [00:54:20.560] or not, you know, those videos are going [00:54:23.000] to be shown to the public. It doesn’t [00:54:24.040] matter if they’re shown to Congress. [00:54:25.640] Then all of a sudden Congress says, “Oh, [00:54:27.120] yeah, I’ve seen some shit.” Well, that’s [00:54:28.920] what we’ve heard forever. We want to get [00:54:30.400] them out to the public and and Rep Luna [00:54:32.960] is trying to do that. And so is Rep [00:54:35.440] Burleson. And they know those files are [00:54:37.520] real. And they know where they are. And [00:54:39.000] they got eyes on them. You know, it’s no [00:54:41.760] secret anymore. I mean, you and I did [00:54:43.160] provide those and and many others as far [00:54:45.680] as like actual links links on these [00:54:48.360] servers that we have obtained over the [00:54:50.160] years the links to. Now, we have [00:54:52.960] released one of the videos, video number [00:54:54.840] two, but I would imagine that they they [00:54:57.640] really are trying to get this info out. [00:55:00.400] And and if they [00:55:02.280] hopefully it happens that way. [00:55:04.640] >> Well, it doesn’t come out one way, it [00:55:06.640] might come out some other way, you know. [00:55:08.720] >> I you know, [00:55:09.960] it’s the duty of journalism, you always [00:55:11.560] say, to investigate the unexplained not [00:55:12.880] explain they are investigated. That’s [00:55:13.920] your quote. And I imagine that, you [00:55:15.880] know, we will do our best to inform the [00:55:18.040] American public if they are misinformed. [00:55:20.440] We have my friend here. This this is [00:55:22.280] Representative Eric Burleson. Rep [00:55:25.120] Burleson, I’m so glad he joined us [00:55:26.880] because he has been somebody who has [00:55:28.400] been fighting for this tooth and nail. [00:55:30.120] If anybody’s going to get it done, it’s [00:55:32.320] Rep Burleson. He’s gotten closer than [00:55:34.440] anybody. He was able to visit at least [00:55:36.960] one base that we know of so far related [00:55:39.360] to the the the NHI and UFO UAP issue. [00:55:43.000] Rep. Burlison, if you can hear me, they [00:55:45.040] beamed you in at the perfect moment. Are [00:55:46.800] you there? [00:55:47.920] >> Yes. Yeah, can you hear me? [00:55:49.680] >> So great. Thank you so much for being [00:55:51.760] here. We’re excited. You’re at this the [00:55:53.560] Space Symposium and I really wanted [00:55:55.440] people to hear from you briefly. You [00:55:57.440] know, what is it that you’re fighting [00:55:58.800] for? Why are you fighting for this and [00:56:00.480] what is the next move? [00:56:03.680] >> Yeah, this is an important topic for me [00:56:06.000] as someone who believes that the [00:56:07.440] government belongs to the people. [00:56:10.040] And we’re here to serve the you know, [00:56:12.840] the American public. [00:56:14.600] And and it’s not for this government or [00:56:17.400] any government to hold back [00:56:20.280] such important information as as to [00:56:22.440] whether or not we’re alone in this [00:56:23.640] universe [00:56:25.080] from from from anybody. And so to me [00:56:28.000] this is a this is a topic that’s [00:56:29.760] disturbing at multiple levels of the [00:56:32.160] secrecy. It’s also disturbing to see [00:56:35.440] the way in which there’s money being [00:56:37.320] thrown at this that’s you know, that’s [00:56:38.880] kind of being hidden. [00:56:40.560] And so there’s a lot of reasons to for [00:56:42.920] oversight to be involved in this matter. [00:56:45.200] And when we had whistleblowers come [00:56:46.640] forward, [00:56:47.800] particularly David Grusch in the last [00:56:49.520] few years, that really piqued our [00:56:51.320] interest and made me realize that [00:56:53.320] there’s something that we probably [00:56:54.480] should be looking into especially you [00:56:56.920] know, [00:56:57.840] I I and I know that there are a lot of [00:56:58.920] people who will give this a little bit [00:57:00.360] of a smirk or [00:57:02.800] I myself approached this as a skeptic. [00:57:05.800] But I’ll tell you that there is [00:57:07.240] something going on and we what we can [00:57:09.520] definitively say after after years of [00:57:12.040] researching this is that there is [00:57:13.880] definitely some type of technology [00:57:16.840] that is using a type of physics that we [00:57:18.960] do not understand or it’s [00:57:21.840] a different type of physics than we’ve [00:57:23.760] than we’ve ever seen before. [00:57:25.400] >> Yeah, and so you know, very kind of on [00:57:27.480] the nose right now Congress has put [00:57:29.600] forward through Rep. Luna and yourself [00:57:32.080] and Rep um [00:57:33.480] Burchett, you’re looking to receive 46 [00:57:37.000] videos and make sure not only that you [00:57:39.240] receive them, but that the public can [00:57:41.640] also see these. And in these [00:57:43.000] descriptions or these file names for [00:57:44.800] these videos, they talk about [00:57:46.520] transmedium craft, instantaneous [00:57:49.040] acceleration. One of those videos is out [00:57:51.160] George Knapp and I released number two [00:57:52.520] on that list. Have you seen those [00:57:54.520] videos? Are you hopeful that the [00:57:56.720] American public is going to get those [00:57:58.640] videos maybe under presidential order? [00:58:00.720] >> Order. [00:58:01.960] >> I’ve seen many of these videos um [00:58:04.560] because we have contacts with people [00:58:06.320] that are trying to get this to us in a [00:58:08.480] secure way um not through the official [00:58:12.040] channel, but I have I’ve been some of [00:58:14.120] these videos have been leaked and it’d [00:58:15.840] be well. And I’ve been able to see some [00:58:18.000] of them. And so um again, there’s [00:58:20.480] nothing that is definitive as a smoking [00:58:22.680] gun that I would say, but some of it is [00:58:25.320] is [00:58:26.160] absolutely demonstrating a level of [00:58:27.800] technology that doesn’t exist. that that [00:58:30.480] we are not aware of [00:58:32.520] under [00:58:33.360] under today’s conventional technology. [00:58:35.200] So, for example, the instantaneous [00:58:38.080] acceleration video, um that that is um [00:58:42.360] it you know, that would that would [00:58:43.720] scramble anybody’s brains uh if you if [00:58:46.920] you were inside that vehicle. [00:58:48.680] Um so, and I don’t know that we even [00:58:50.760] have drones that have that capability of [00:58:52.480] doing that kind of level of [00:58:53.720] instantaneous acceleration. Um I’ve seen [00:58:56.800] objects that appear to be flying that [00:58:59.440] have no means of propulsion or [00:59:02.480] aerodynamics. These are literally just [00:59:05.640] spheres that are moving in ways that [00:59:08.960] that people cannot explain. Um I’ve had [00:59:11.520] briefings where we’ve where we’ve been [00:59:13.400] told about um incursions on our military [00:59:16.840] bases. [00:59:18.040] And this is something that’s extremely [00:59:19.560] disturbing that you have [00:59:21.520] unknown objects that are you know, [00:59:24.560] violating our airspace particularly over [00:59:26.640] very sensitive locations, it’s something [00:59:29.400] that we have got to be investigating. [00:59:32.760] >> Congressman Burchett, first and [00:59:34.480] foremost, again, thank you for being a [00:59:36.320] champion of transparency, a champion of [00:59:39.280] accountability, and fighting the good [00:59:41.320] fight. I know you don’t get a lot of [00:59:42.560] awards for this, but you get our [00:59:44.640] appreciation. I just wanted to ask, what [00:59:47.760] kind of pushback do you get in terms of [00:59:49.920] releasing those videos? Is it because [00:59:52.760] the cameras themselves are classified? [00:59:55.320] What are the explanations you get as to [00:59:57.040] why this information couldn’t be [00:59:59.040] released to the public? [01:00:00.880] >> Yeah, that’s the most common explanation [01:00:02.760] is that the [01:00:03.960] instruments that gathered these videos, [01:00:06.360] they themselves are classified, and so [01:00:08.160] it’s difficult to get to get that those [01:00:10.760] those videos declassified. But I would [01:00:13.080] say, look, scrub those videos of all of [01:00:15.600] the the metadata, [01:00:17.800] you know, when you lot of sometimes [01:00:19.680] these these videos they have metrics [01:00:22.360] that are kind of encoded around the [01:00:24.600] perimeter of these videos, that could be [01:00:26.720] removed or masked. Look, there’s there’s [01:00:29.000] a number of ways that they could do this [01:00:30.480] that would not jeopardize national [01:00:32.280] security, and this is what we just kind [01:00:34.080] of have to keep pushing at. [01:00:36.320] >> Yeah, my argument with that as as [01:00:37.840] somebody who has obtained and released a [01:00:39.200] number of these videos is that those [01:00:41.520] metrics actually help the scientific [01:00:43.480] analysis of it, and nothing in those [01:00:45.240] metrics, anything that George and I have [01:00:46.640] ever ever put out has been [01:00:48.600] you know, any threat to national [01:00:49.960] security. We make sure in our [01:00:51.080] journalism, America First, make sure, [01:00:53.760] but I think that there needs to be a [01:00:55.000] higher level of transparency with that. [01:00:56.680] If you get these videos, I know you will [01:00:58.880] put them out to the American public, but [01:01:00.720] you’re also, and we support you, you’re [01:01:02.840] also on another hunt right now, and I [01:01:04.760] know you can’t talk a lot about it, but [01:01:06.640] you have been given access, I believe [01:01:08.400] through presidential order, you’ve been [01:01:09.600] given access to at least one military [01:01:12.040] installation doing incredible work that [01:01:14.200] was supposed to receive [01:01:16.760] a craft through Lockheed Martin. I think [01:01:18.600] that’s very public now. Are Are going to [01:01:20.480] visit more bases? Are they opening the [01:01:22.760] doors for you? Is there a chance you’re [01:01:24.680] going to be able to see some of this [01:01:25.720] hardware that is purported to not be of [01:01:27.920] human origin? [01:01:30.400] >> The answer is yes. Um, in fact, I just [01:01:32.600] had a conversation with White House [01:01:33.760] staff [01:01:34.800] um a few minutes ago about this. [01:01:37.120] Um, there are other locations that that [01:01:39.120] are on the list. Um, they’re working [01:01:41.280] through the details of those and the [01:01:42.760] logistics of those visits. [01:01:44.920] Um, I’m trying to be very [01:01:47.240] guarded in which locations that we’re [01:01:48.840] going to for multiple reasons. [01:01:51.720] Um, but at the end of the day, my goal [01:01:53.280] is disclosure. So, um you can trust that [01:01:56.480] I’m going to do everything I can to try [01:01:57.800] to get to the to the truth. And then do [01:02:00.040] everything I can to make sure that it’s [01:02:01.520] made available to the public. And I [01:02:03.000] think that President Trump has [01:02:04.880] demonstrated an unprecedented step by [01:02:08.000] saying that he is um you know, even if [01:02:10.600] it’s just a Truth Social right now that [01:02:13.120] that he’s directing um these agencies to [01:02:15.640] release these files. [01:02:17.640] Um, that is I don’t think we’ve ever had [01:02:19.280] a president even remotely say something [01:02:21.320] like that. So, that’s a good first step. [01:02:23.680] What I would what I’m going to be hoping [01:02:25.600] and and and pressing for is that this is [01:02:27.880] followed up with an executive order [01:02:29.400] because we [01:02:31.120] we need that kind of teeth for this to [01:02:33.160] be carried through because a lot of [01:02:35.000] these agencies are not going to [01:02:36.080] voluntarily give this up even just [01:02:38.120] because of a truth. So, I think we need [01:02:40.600] the executive order [01:02:42.080] um in order to be successful and I’m [01:02:43.480] going to be pressing for that. [01:02:44.880] >> If I can, I just want to emphasize the [01:02:47.040] point that you made, Congressman, cuz [01:02:48.360] this is an excellent one. I hate when we [01:02:50.720] denigrate that oh, it’s just a tweet. [01:02:53.600] It’s just a statement. It’s just an X. [01:02:55.520] No president has ever done that. [01:02:57.880] President Trump’s statement was un [01:03:00.520] precedented and was a huge leap forward [01:03:03.600] and we should applaud him and the other [01:03:05.720] administration officials who have moved [01:03:08.600] in that direction. And I’m just curious, [01:03:10.240] Congressman, obviously we saw the [01:03:12.040] statement by the president. Are you [01:03:13.920] getting support from DNI, from the FBI, [01:03:19.160] from NASA, from other entities, have [01:03:22.400] there been productive conversations and [01:03:24.200] what does that look like for you? [01:03:26.160] >> There There have been productive [01:03:27.480] conversations. They’ve been somewhat um [01:03:30.400] limited in their resources on this topic [01:03:32.760] until that truth came out. And so to in [01:03:35.400] that regard, it has that in and of [01:03:37.960] itself has demonstrated tremendous [01:03:40.680] success because um you know, one of the [01:03:43.240] agencies had told me that this was a [01:03:45.800] very low priority for them. It was It [01:03:48.440] was one of the topics that they were [01:03:49.960] investigating and working on, but it was [01:03:51.520] nowhere near the level of priority that [01:03:54.040] it is today. They have They’ve moved it [01:03:56.200] up in in their words to the top 10 list [01:03:58.640] of priorities. So, they’re now [01:04:00.480] dedicating a lot more resources to [01:04:02.080] investigating this topic and I think [01:04:03.480] it’s long overdue. So, I’m glad to see [01:04:06.680] the intelligence community, um whether [01:04:08.800] it’s ODNI or the FBI or others that are [01:04:12.440] actually taking a [01:04:14.040] um a really um sober look at this [01:04:17.000] phenomenon. [01:04:17.720] >> I’m glad the most important topic in [01:04:19.760] history is no longer a low priority. [01:04:21.800] >> Right. Right. [01:04:22.920] Uh Rep Burchett, I just want to thank [01:04:24.280] you so much on behalf of myself and [01:04:26.040] everybody here. You know, no [01:04:28.320] congressperson have has ever gotten [01:04:30.280] closer to this kind of access and you [01:04:32.400] are a trusted person and I know you’ll [01:04:34.320] you’ll shoot the American public [01:04:35.480] straight. So, thank you so much for [01:04:37.320] doing things like this and and speaking [01:04:39.120] out and we you are the people’s champ [01:04:41.160] and and we got your back and thank you [01:04:42.640] for what you’ve been doing. I know it’s [01:04:43.880] been a fight and you’ll keep fighting. [01:04:45.320] Thank you, Rep Burchett. [01:04:46.720] >> Round of applause. [01:04:47.400] >> I couldn’t do it without you guys. [01:04:49.320] I couldn’t do it without you guys. So, [01:04:50.720] thank you. [01:04:51.840] >> All right, my friend. Let’s keep [01:04:53.160] fighting. Talk soon. [01:04:54.760] >> You know, I I sense um optimism with uh [01:04:58.120] Eric Burlison. You know, he’s working [01:04:59.840] hard. He thinks he can push the [01:05:01.280] envelope, the edge of the envelope. At [01:05:03.520] at the same time, one of his most [01:05:05.080] trusted um [01:05:06.640] uh colleagues in the house, Tim Burchett [01:05:09.800] of Tennessee, [01:05:11.160] is not optimistic at all. He sounds like [01:05:13.640] me Uh but it comes to disclosure. He’s [01:05:17.000] come out of a couple of meetings, seen [01:05:19.040] some amazing stuff, but we don’t know [01:05:20.600] what it is. Yeah, but he does not think [01:05:23.000] any of this stuff is going to come out. [01:05:24.760] You know, I’m I’m still there as well. [01:05:26.480] Got to keep trying. [01:05:28.000] Burchett, Luna, Burchett and their [01:05:30.080] colleagues both in the House and the [01:05:31.840] Senate, but we’ll see. [01:05:33.920] >> So so Rep. Burchett is a little more [01:05:35.920] pessimistic right now. It’s never going [01:05:37.600] to come out kind of thing? [01:05:40.040] >> Yeah, [01:05:41.120] the big stuff. [01:05:42.720] Wheel out the bodies onto the stage in [01:05:44.680] in the Oval Office or something and and [01:05:46.520] and show them. [01:05:48.080] Um [01:05:49.000] he doesn’t think that’s going to come. [01:05:50.760] I think he’s probably been exposed to [01:05:52.680] too many [01:05:53.760] tricks and lies from the big industries [01:05:58.320] and contractors and the intelligence [01:06:00.000] agencies to have much faith. [01:06:02.200] But you got to keep plugging away and [01:06:03.560] give it a try. [01:06:04.640] >> Well, I’ll tell you cuz he said it’s [01:06:05.920] okay and we just talked the other day [01:06:08.520] and absolutely I think it’s frustrating, [01:06:11.520] but he like us knows that nothing’s [01:06:14.640] coming out unless we fight for it. And [01:06:16.560] he said it’s it is to quote him, it is [01:06:19.120] BS. This is being held back from the [01:06:21.840] American public that at this point [01:06:24.160] they’re using national security as just [01:06:26.440] like a a placeholder to stop this [01:06:28.800] information coming out. He’s pissed [01:06:30.480] about it. So I understand he’s [01:06:31.520] frustrated, but he is fighting for it [01:06:33.520] too and I I really believe that we’re [01:06:36.200] not going to get anywhere if we don’t [01:06:37.400] push and and and he’s a good one to [01:06:39.200] push. So even though he’s a little [01:06:40.200] frustrated, he he he’s got a lot of [01:06:42.320] fight in him. [01:06:43.520] >> I imagine it’s a tough spot for [01:06:45.960] Republican House members who are [01:06:48.200] supporters of the president who are [01:06:50.960] counting on him keeping his word about [01:06:53.360] releasing these files and we probably [01:06:55.720] will see some files, maybe some videos. [01:06:58.320] But I’ll bet they’re disappointed about [01:07:01.360] how the Epstein files have been handled. [01:07:03.000] I mean, they passed a law that said give [01:07:04.560] it to us. Don’t don’t censor it. [01:07:08.040] And we’ve seen how that’s been handled. [01:07:10.120] I’m not sure we’re ever going to see any [01:07:11.320] more Epstein files released at all. [01:07:14.640] >> Right. You know, but President Trump did [01:07:17.160] say he’s going to be releasing the [01:07:18.760] files. Now, now what are files? Are [01:07:21.000] files talking about videos? So so right [01:07:22.880] now there are people that we know out [01:07:25.120] the White House as of yesterday and they [01:07:27.280] are asking directly of the president, [01:07:29.920] you know, are you going to release the [01:07:31.240] 46 videos? Like that is 100% true. [01:07:34.800] That’s like you know, there’s got to be [01:07:36.280] an answer. It it’s like [01:07:39.280] If those videos are released, then you [01:07:41.520] and I can sit back and say, look, the [01:07:43.360] the American public has that [01:07:44.400] information, assess it, go through it. I [01:07:47.680] think that’s a big part of it and that’s [01:07:49.000] why Rep Luna jumped on X after the [01:07:51.160] president announced that. And I do [01:07:52.560] believe the president. I do believe that [01:07:54.560] he wants to release those. Why wouldn’t [01:07:56.480] you? I mean, I think it’s fascinating. [01:07:58.520] So if he does that, if he allows those [01:08:00.640] 46 plus videos to be released to the [01:08:03.600] public, then we can sit back and we can [01:08:06.080] watch as everybody kind of gets exposed [01:08:08.640] to things that maybe Congress has been [01:08:10.200] exposed to as well. [01:08:11.920] >> Well, we’ll have a longer conversation [01:08:13.360] about it at some point, but I imagine, [01:08:15.480] you know, the the president’s [01:08:17.120] personality, it would appeal to him to [01:08:19.120] do something that no other president has [01:08:21.600] been able to do since Harry Truman. [01:08:23.359] They’ve all known bits and pieces. None [01:08:25.799] of them have stepped up to the plate and [01:08:27.600] taken the action that the public is [01:08:29.600] asking for. [01:08:30.839] But at the same time, you know, once [01:08:33.520] once you get ready to release certain [01:08:35.400] things, including some of those videos [01:08:37.160] that we are somewhat familiar with, [01:08:39.600] you’re going to get a lot of pushback. [01:08:41.600] Um [01:08:42.680] you know, that there’s a lot of stuff [01:08:43.839] that has to be declassified and cleansed [01:08:46.240] before it could come out. And even then, [01:08:48.160] some of those [01:08:49.720] would represent an actual potential [01:08:51.839] threat to national security if they came [01:08:53.560] out as as they are. [01:08:55.799] >> Right. I I I I think you know, these [01:08:58.279] videos and and more information coming [01:09:01.120] out, it’s like we have a a nuclear [01:09:03.120] program, but not everybody knows how to [01:09:04.759] build a bomb. You can tell the base the [01:09:06.839] basics. [01:09:08.000] So, I I I think it’s a good step, man. [01:09:10.080] And I really hope that And I do believe [01:09:12.720] that we’re going to make more progress [01:09:14.120] on this. Look, if we’re invited back to [01:09:15.520] the Space Symposium after this time, [01:09:18.080] we’re going to go again. It was so cool. [01:09:20.359] I I think next time you got to come in [01:09:21.560] person, George. It was a neat [01:09:23.520] experience. But, what I took away from [01:09:25.640] that is that [01:09:27.440] people at the highest level dealing with [01:09:29.440] defense of space, [01:09:31.560] these contractors we often talk about, [01:09:34.560] they are hyper aware of the UAP reality. [01:09:37.920] They are fixated on it to some degree. [01:09:39.799] They want in, too, on some of this. [01:09:41.440] Imagine if this information was allowed [01:09:43.759] to be studied by the top scientists and [01:09:45.520] engineers in our country. So, I just I I [01:09:47.880] have a lot of optimism still. You’re not [01:09:49.440] going to kick it out of me. I got a lot [01:09:50.640] of optimism. [01:09:52.240] You go. [01:09:53.880] That’s you. [01:09:55.200] >> All right. Yeah, I do want to be there [01:09:56.600] the next time if we get invited back. [01:09:58.280] And I was going to appear on a big uh [01:10:00.400] screen and participate in the questions [01:10:02.960] and things that that you know, just like [01:10:05.040] with NASA missions, sometimes there are [01:10:06.880] techno glitches that prevent things from [01:10:08.800] going as they they are intended. But, uh [01:10:11.440] yeah, that’ll be fun. So, you’re on the [01:10:13.200] road uh at present. Maybe you’re home by [01:10:16.320] the time that this gets on the air, gets [01:10:18.680] released. [01:10:19.760] Um and um we’ll talk again [01:10:22.720] >> We will, man. Yeah. And Sleeping Dog is [01:10:24.760] coming come hell or high water. The kid [01:10:26.960] Michael Lazowski made this movie [01:10:29.600] Sleeping Dog about kind of what you and [01:10:31.280] I are up against, man. And I’m I’m glad [01:10:33.160] he did. Like, I was really pissed at [01:10:34.480] him. He’s listening and he’s our [01:10:36.120] producer. I was kind of pissed about it. [01:10:37.760] You know, I gave him 20 years of footage [01:10:39.240] and said, “Make some cool UFO movies.” [01:10:41.280] And then he kind of saw He’ll He’ll [01:10:43.160] He’ll talk for himself, but he kind of [01:10:44.680] saw what was going on, turned the camera [01:10:46.800] around, and you and I were going through [01:10:48.600] something at that time trying to figure [01:10:49.920] out how far we could push this. So, I I [01:10:51.920] am excited that movie is coming out, and [01:10:53.880] people should tune in. It’s not my [01:10:55.400] movie. It was made by Michael. And um [01:10:58.440] man, it pissed me off at first, but now [01:11:00.160] you know, I opted in. Now I’m really [01:11:01.760] glad it is cuz it it it tells it like it [01:11:03.800] is. [01:11:04.640] >> It’s getting some good publicity [01:11:06.040] already. So, I don’t know if Michael’s [01:11:07.680] responsible or how that works, but [01:11:09.920] there’s a lot of interest that’s [01:11:11.080] building. [01:11:12.320] Uh are we playing a clip or are we going [01:11:13.760] to do that in a future episode? [01:11:15.400] >> [ __ ] maybe we should play a clip. [01:11:18.560] So, I’m going to pull it out and then [01:11:20.400] you’re going to tell me [01:11:22.400] if this is exactly like you said. Okay, [01:11:25.360] so we got it. [01:11:27.720] >> Yep. [01:11:28.400] >> Okay, there’s a white piece of paper [01:11:30.160] around it. Is that right? [01:11:32.360] >> Yeah, [01:11:33.000] that’s correct. [01:11:33.840] >> I see original Polaroid. Holy [ __ ] [01:11:39.640] A- and where is this [01:11:41.000] Where is this from? [01:11:44.320] >> It’s from Los Alamos National [01:11:45.480] Laboratory. [01:11:47.720] >> Your dad died, right? [01:11:49.840] >> He did. He passed away about a month [01:11:51.680] ago. [01:11:52.600] >> I’m sorry to hear that. [01:11:54.320] My dad died, too. [01:11:56.480] What was your dad’s position and why do [01:11:57.920] we find this interesting? [01:12:00.320] >> He was in charge of all computer cyber [01:12:04.160] cyber security for the entire [01:12:05.560] laboratory. So, I sent you some [01:12:08.480] uh official documents from the lab [01:12:12.080] that [01:12:13.200] talk about meetings they had about uh [01:12:16.400] atmospheric anomalies. [01:12:18.440] There’s also some information in there [01:12:20.360] about [01:12:21.680] Russian sightings. [01:12:23.800] Soviet sightings. [01:12:34.720] >> All right, man. Well, listen, I’ll talk [01:12:35.920] to you soon. We got a lot of stuff [01:12:37.000] coming up this next uh month, George. [01:12:39.560] About 30 days, you and me going to be on [01:12:41.080] the road doing some stuff. It’s going to [01:12:42.240] be fun, man. [01:12:55.280] >> Yeah.

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