The Diary of a CEO — “UFO Roundtable: Former CIA Scientist Proves Aliens Exist!” (May 14, 2026)

Show: The Diary of a CEO (Steven Bartlett); ~1h27m
Participants: Hal Puthoff (the “former CIA scientist”) and Dan Farah (director of The Age of Disclosure)
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-z0k5xu1hM
Extraction: youtube_transcript.py (timestamps), 2026-05-28
Significance: the FULL primary source of Puthoff’s 2026 “four separate types” of NHI and “dozens of recoveries of crashed craft in the US alone” claims (the psicoactivo-puthoff-four-types-nhi-2026-05-16 clip is an excerpt of this). Also covers the “Roswell crash” recoveries discussion and references Jay Stratton.
Primary for puthoff-network-physicist; relevant to stratton-uaptf-director, age-of-disclosure-documentary.

[00:00:00.000] There has been an 80-year cover-up of [00:00:02.560] the existence of non-human intelligent [00:00:04.080] life covered up by elements of the US [00:00:05.840] government, but this past Friday the [00:00:07.860] [music] first tranche of evidence was [00:00:09.880] released to the public. [00:00:10.760] >> And the evidence is absolutely clear [00:00:12.480] that there is some form of life with [00:00:14.800] advanced technology. And they’re all [00:00:16.560] over the place. But the people involved [00:00:19.080] in gatekeeping this information don’t [00:00:20.960] think [music] the public can handle the [00:00:21.880] truth. [00:00:22.280] >> People have had their lives threatened. [00:00:24.160] >> of them are afraid to come forward [00:00:25.545] [music] and tell the White House what [00:00:26.480] they know. This has been kept from even [00:00:28.200] sitting presidents. And I’ve interviewed [00:00:30.480] high-level intelligence [music] [00:00:31.560] officials and government officials. And [00:00:33.280] there have been UAP crashes over the [00:00:35.000] years and in some cases the crashed [00:00:37.480] crafts had the bodies of non-humans in [00:00:39.880] them. And now we have people on ships [00:00:41.920] [music] seeing these things under the [00:00:43.520] water with seeing enough times under [00:00:45.760] enough different conditions that we just [00:00:47.680] have to accept that it is real. So what [00:00:49.320] exactly is inside this [music] report? [00:00:52.600] We have so many sightings, even access [00:00:55.400] to materials. And there’s a number of [00:00:57.520] files, reports, video, and still [music] [00:01:00.360] images that were declassified. And the [00:01:02.680] most notable piece of evidence in there [00:01:04.800] is [music] this. [00:01:06.440] So I have so many questions. You’re [00:01:07.800] probably familiar with this NASA report. [00:01:09.440] They essentially say that they don’t [00:01:10.560] believe that these UAPs are aliens. Why [00:01:13.200] would NASA be lying? Is there a reason [00:01:15.200] why this stuff hasn’t been captured on [00:01:16.880] like an iPhone? [music] Are they [00:01:18.040] currently living amongst us? [00:01:19.280] >> And then do you trust the Trump [00:01:20.680] administration to release [music] all of [00:01:22.320] the available information? [00:01:23.880] >> I think eventually we’ll get to that [00:01:25.440] moment that we’ve all only seen in [00:01:26.520] movies where a sitting president steps [00:01:28.160] to a microphone and tells the world [00:01:29.360] we’re not alone in the universe. [00:01:34.560] This is super interesting to me. My team [00:01:36.080] gave me this report to show me how many [00:01:37.520] of you that watch this show subscribe. [00:01:38.960] And some of you have told us, according [00:01:40.520] to this, that you are unsubscribed from [00:01:42.520] the channel randomly. So a favor to ask [00:01:44.560] all of you, please could you check right [00:01:46.160] now if you’ve hit the subscribe button. [00:01:47.560] If you are a regular viewer of the show [00:01:48.920] and you like what we do here. We’re [00:01:50.280] approaching quite a significant landmark [00:01:52.080] on this show in terms of a subscriber [00:01:53.600] number. So if there was one simple, free [00:01:56.240] thing that you could do to help us, my [00:01:57.920] team, everyone here to keep this show [00:01:59.840] free, to keep it improving year over [00:02:02.000] year and week over week, it is just to [00:02:03.760] hit that subscribe button and to double [00:02:05.040] check if you’ve hit it. Anything I’ll [00:02:06.400] ever ask of you. [00:02:07.680] Do we have a deal? [00:02:08.759] If you do it, I’ll tell you what I’ll [00:02:09.560] do. I’ll make sure [00:02:11.680] every single week, every single month we [00:02:13.240] fight harder and harder and harder and [00:02:14.320] harder to bring you the guests and [00:02:15.520] conversations that you want to hear. I [00:02:17.200] stayed true to that promise since the [00:02:18.360] very beginning of The Diary of a CEO and [00:02:19.959] I will not let you down. Please help us. [00:02:22.880] Really appreciate it. Let’s get on with [00:02:24.160] the show. [00:02:26.066] >> [music] [00:02:28.840] >> Dr. Harold, Dan, [00:02:31.600] I wanted to have a conversation with [00:02:32.560] both of you today because you are two of [00:02:34.360] the most popular voices online on this [00:02:36.280] subject of UAPs, which is unidentified [00:02:39.240] anomalous phenomena. Right. Exactly. It [00:02:41.959] has been in all the news recently [00:02:43.520] because Trump a couple of days ago [00:02:45.040] released 400 classified files containing [00:02:47.480] videos and photos and different reports [00:02:50.360] on this subject of UAPs. Now, I [00:02:55.080] don’t have an opinion. I I honestly [00:02:57.440] haven’t gone that far down the rabbit [00:02:58.880] hole on this subject, but I wanted to [00:03:00.440] have the conversation with both of you [00:03:01.400] because you do have opinions. So, [00:03:04.320] starting with you, Dan, [00:03:06.280] what is your background and as it [00:03:08.080] relates to this subject of UAPs, what is [00:03:10.680] it that you believe that most people [00:03:13.000] don’t know or understand? My interest in [00:03:15.400] this topic comes from my childhood. And [00:03:17.360] so, over the years, I just I read every [00:03:19.280] book on the topic, watched every doc. I [00:03:21.480] always wish someone had made a super [00:03:23.280] serious, credible, sober documentary [00:03:26.560] that only interviews people who have [00:03:28.080] direct knowledge of this topic as a [00:03:30.120] result of working for the US government. [00:03:31.880] And so, got into producing as I was [00:03:34.519] getting access to high-level [00:03:35.920] intelligence officials and government [00:03:37.320] officials before even filmed, I really [00:03:39.560] quickly learned how serious and real the [00:03:42.360] situation is and how [00:03:44.160] serious it’s treated behind the scenes. [00:03:46.640] And you know, I made this movie, The Age [00:03:48.720] of Disclosure, in secrecy over 3 and 1/2 [00:03:51.600] years. And I would say the headlines [00:03:54.120] that I learned that the average person [00:03:55.640] doesn’t know is that there has in fact [00:03:59.120] been an 80-year cover-up of the [00:04:01.200] existence of non-human intelligent life. [00:04:03.240] It has been covered up by elements of [00:04:04.760] the US government since at least the [00:04:07.280] late ’40s. Other nations have also [00:04:09.800] covered this up. And the other major [00:04:12.160] headline is that the people who within [00:04:15.000] the US government that have been [00:04:16.040] gatekeeping this, they’ve also been [00:04:18.000] involved in a high-stakes secret Cold [00:04:20.480] War race with adversarial nations like [00:04:22.640] China and Russia to reverse-engineer [00:04:24.720] this technology of non-human origin. And [00:04:26.600] And the stakes couldn’t be higher. Those [00:04:28.240] are the two massive headlines. [00:04:30.520] And And I’m proud to say when the film [00:04:31.560] came out, it created a national [00:04:33.320] conversation at an at an unprecedented [00:04:36.120] level, and it led to President Trump [00:04:39.480] issuing this directive in the middle of [00:04:41.400] February. Super unprecedented historic [00:04:44.120] directive instructing federal agencies [00:04:46.680] to start declassifying evidence it has [00:04:49.640] they have of non-human intelligent life [00:04:52.080] and UAP. And then that process began [00:04:55.280] this past Friday. The first tranche of [00:04:57.760] evidence was released to the public. And [00:05:00.680] during the process of producing this [00:05:02.000] documentary, [00:05:03.680] who did you speak to? I got access to [00:05:06.240] the highest levels of government, [00:05:08.160] military, and intelligence community. My [00:05:09.880] interview subjects range from Secretary [00:05:11.640] Rubio, who’s also our national security [00:05:13.760] advisor now, White House National [00:05:15.520] Security Council members, Navy fighter [00:05:18.080] pilots, admirals, generals, a former [00:05:20.880] Secretary of Defense, uh the leadership [00:05:23.280] of all the recent classified US [00:05:25.919] government UAP investigations. Every [00:05:28.520] single person is extremely credible. Hal [00:05:31.960] Hal was one of my interview subjects. [00:05:33.360] Hal’s [00:05:34.480] one of the most senior scientist uh to [00:05:36.560] work on this topic for the US government [00:05:38.680] in classified projects. And him and all [00:05:41.919] these other people interviewed, they had [00:05:43.760] a lot of information they could legally [00:05:45.040] share [00:05:46.080] over the years, but they were always [00:05:47.160] discouraged from doing so, and they [00:05:48.920] never really had the opportunity to [00:05:50.200] comfortably do it. No one wanted to be [00:05:51.560] the one guy out on a limb [00:05:53.400] saying something extraordinary on CNN or [00:05:55.680] Fox or 60 Minutes and then being subject [00:05:57.800] to the the pushback and the ridicule. [00:06:00.320] And so, when I realized that, I I [00:06:02.680] started socializing a plan for how to [00:06:05.760] step out of the shadows arm in arm with [00:06:07.800] safety in numbers. I’ll pick up on that [00:06:10.080] point now. We talked about safety in [00:06:11.680] numbers. How he he mentioned you there. [00:06:14.360] You’re part of the documentary. I saw [00:06:15.600] you as well in the trailer of the [00:06:16.560] documentary. What is your background and [00:06:18.800] why what reference points are you [00:06:20.480] drawing on to speak on the subject of [00:06:22.880] UAPs and UFOs, etc.? I’m a quantum [00:06:25.400] physicist. I worked for the National [00:06:27.200] Security Agency for various uh [00:06:30.800] organizations in the intelligence [00:06:32.240] community like CIA and so on. And so, as [00:06:34.960] part of my technical work, uh I was also [00:06:37.280] a consultant, uh chief science advisor [00:06:39.919] to Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace. [00:06:43.480] He’s really quite quite a titan. I mean, [00:06:45.400] he has two space stations orbiting the [00:06:48.200] Earth. So, anyway, those those people [00:06:50.280] who are in in the space business and [00:06:53.240] they’re moving out into space, they just [00:06:55.560] can’t help but wondering, you know, what [00:06:57.720] are we going to run into when when we [00:06:59.400] get out there? As a science advisor to [00:07:01.800] him, uh it turned out that the Defense [00:07:04.360] Intelligence Agency came forward and [00:07:07.000] said, uh you know, we need to find out [00:07:09.680] uh really what’s uh going on in the [00:07:11.400] so-called UAP area. So, then they [00:07:13.680] determined they were just going to start [00:07:15.640] a UAP program. If that program they [00:07:17.400] started was called A SAP. They hired a [00:07:19.480] whole team, for example, Hal. And that [00:07:21.720] program started in 2008. Um [00:07:25.160] and [00:07:26.440] got a lot of pushback behind the scenes [00:07:28.480] because it turned out [00:07:30.360] when they looked over the intelligence [00:07:31.480] community to see if there was another [00:07:32.360] UFO program and didn’t think there was, [00:07:34.120] turns out there was one. And there was a [00:07:36.120] deeply hidden program referred to as the [00:07:38.120] legacy program. [00:07:39.760] And it had been operating in the shadows [00:07:41.960] since the 40s [00:07:43.440] uh outside of congressional oversight, [00:07:45.480] outside of the oversight of the White [00:07:46.680] House. [00:07:47.840] Um completely, you know, off off [00:07:50.080] >> Completely hidden away. Yeah. As hidden [00:07:52.400] as a program can be. [00:07:53.800] And so they started pushing back behind [00:07:56.440] the scenes against everyone involved in [00:07:58.360] AATIP because they didn’t want anyone [00:08:00.880] else looking into this, right? Started [00:08:02.880] to cause a lot of bureaucratic issues [00:08:04.240] for them, red tape issues, and [00:08:06.280] ultimately AATIP lost its funding in [00:08:08.880] 2010 despite the fact that it was [00:08:10.760] looking into very real issues like UAP [00:08:13.000] over our nuclear weapon sites. It shut [00:08:15.160] down in 2010. Why do you think it shut [00:08:16.919] down? [00:08:17.880] They were dealt [00:08:19.320] these bureaucratic hurdles behind the [00:08:21.160] scenes by people involved in the legacy [00:08:22.680] program, people who just caused problems [00:08:24.840] and prevented funding and it’s a lot of, [00:08:27.080] you know, it’s a [00:08:27.840] big bureaucracy. People can people can [00:08:30.000] do things behind the scenes to prevent [00:08:31.800] funding from coming through [00:08:33.640] for programs. And so ultimately they [00:08:36.039] lost their their funding in 2010 and [00:08:37.719] then Jay Stratton and other people [00:08:39.599] involved they were continuing to look [00:08:41.560] into this because they they didn’t want [00:08:43.880] this serious national security concern [00:08:45.839] to go, you know, on on investigated, [00:08:48.480] right? So you know, that’s how somebody [00:08:50.080] like me gets pulled in and they say, [00:08:52.200] “Okay, these pilots are out there and [00:08:53.800] they said they see craft coming out of [00:08:55.960] the ocean and making right angle turns [00:08:57.920] at 6 G or whatever.” And they say, “Oh [00:09:00.320] my god, this is way beyond our physics.” [00:09:03.000] So I and other physicists sort of dug [00:09:04.960] into, you know, what could be [00:09:06.560] responsible for this. And we actually [00:09:08.600] found that just like we use so-called [00:09:11.000] Maxwell’s equations in electromagnetic [00:09:13.240] stuff for everything we do in [00:09:15.160] electromagnetics, [00:09:16.800] we have Einstein’s equations in general [00:09:18.760] relativity for, you know, black holes [00:09:21.720] and all that kind of stuff. It turns out [00:09:23.200] if you could engineer those, you would [00:09:25.040] actually get the same effects that [00:09:26.800] people were observing with these UAP [00:09:29.080] crafts. So we think we’ve come up with, [00:09:31.200] you know, what it is about [00:09:33.360] the science of it. It’s just that we [00:09:35.200] don’t have the engineering to do it. Do [00:09:37.440] you believe in UAPs? [00:09:39.520] Absolutely believe in UAPs [00:09:41.560] because [clears throat] [00:09:42.200] I’ve been exposed to data about them. [00:09:45.040] A more specific question would be, do [00:09:46.480] you believe in aliens? Yeah, so a number [00:09:48.920] of the people I interviewed went on the [00:09:50.960] record [00:09:52.560] stating that they know from their own [00:09:54.680] personal experiences that there have [00:09:57.120] been UAP crashes over the years that [00:09:59.480] have been recovered by elements of the [00:10:02.280] US government and in some cases the the [00:10:04.920] crashed crafts had the bodies of [00:10:07.520] non-humans in them. [00:10:09.160] And numerous people I interviewed went [00:10:11.600] on the record saying that. And keep in [00:10:14.160] mind, everyone I interviewed only shared [00:10:16.040] what they lawfully could. There was a [00:10:17.440] line they couldn’t cross. Everyone I [00:10:19.440] interviewed is aware of classified [00:10:20.480] information that they they can’t talk [00:10:22.440] about, but they went right up to the [00:10:23.920] line and uh [00:10:25.720] made it clear that there had been [00:10:27.680] recoveries of non-human bodies. A couple [00:10:29.640] people actually testified under oath to [00:10:31.360] Congress saying the same thing. Why [00:10:33.840] wouldn’t they be able to talk about it [00:10:35.120] publicly? Well, when you’re involved in [00:10:36.720] certain programs, uh you sign certain [00:10:38.800] agreements that prevent you from sharing [00:10:41.760] Right. [00:10:42.080] >> specific information. [00:10:43.440] >> programs and [00:10:45.400] of course the big concern is, okay, [00:10:47.320] whatever we might learn about these kind [00:10:49.720] of craft and and so on, our adversaries [00:10:52.760] are out there and probably been there [00:10:55.160] been crashes in Russia, crashes in [00:10:57.480] China. [00:10:58.520] And so if we reveal what we’re learning [00:11:00.760] about the subject area and [00:11:03.680] you know, said it publicly, then it it [00:11:05.560] might help some potential adversary [00:11:08.120] >> Yeah, a saying get a step get a step [00:11:10.240] ahead. So, that’s why it’s all just kept [00:11:12.880] really close end. So, a saying that I [00:11:15.480] heard often from my interview subjects, [00:11:17.680] you can’t tell your friends without [00:11:18.920] telling your enemies. Meaning, you can’t [00:11:21.240] tell the public what we know and don’t [00:11:22.920] know without also telling China and [00:11:24.960] Russia what we know and don’t know. And [00:11:26.920] giving them that information might give [00:11:28.360] them a competitive advantage. And the [00:11:31.000] the obvious question anyone would ask [00:11:32.400] when hearing that is then well okay, so [00:11:33.760] what shifted? Why is Why is that no [00:11:35.840] longer the leading thought secrecy is [00:11:37.640] best? And the answer is because the US [00:11:40.160] is in a really high stakes race, a [00:11:42.400] technology race, against these [00:11:43.920] adversaries to reverse engineer [00:11:45.960] technology of non-human origin. And [00:11:49.440] the secrecy around it in the US [00:11:52.520] since the 40s has created a scenario [00:11:56.000] where the scientific community and [00:11:57.880] academia don’t even know it’s real. They [00:12:00.360] don’t even know it’s a valid area of [00:12:01.480] inquiry. [00:12:02.040] >> Don’t even believe it’s real. I mean [00:12:04.080] >> the smartest kids graduating MIT this [00:12:05.760] year, they are not thinking that this is [00:12:07.480] something they can put their brain power [00:12:08.680] towards. So, [00:12:10.120] coming back to the question, do you [00:12:11.240] believe in aliens? I 100% believe that [00:12:14.840] non-human intelligent life [00:12:16.880] is here and has been here for a long [00:12:19.040] time. When you say here, do you mean [00:12:21.360] >> Earth. currently living amongst us? [00:12:22.760] >> I don’t know about the living amongst us [00:12:24.320] part. [00:12:24.600] >> that. I don’t know about that, but [00:12:26.320] >> Wouldn’t rule it out, but I mean [00:12:27.760] >> There is UAP activity being reported on [00:12:30.480] a daily basis by commercial airlines [00:12:33.320] pilot commercial airline pilots to the [00:12:34.800] FAA, [00:12:35.920] by Navy fighter pilots off the East [00:12:38.360] Coast being reported, you know, up the [00:12:40.320] military chain of command. And on top of [00:12:42.720] that, regular activity over our nuclear [00:12:45.480] weapon sites inside the United States. [00:12:48.040] It’s happening on a regular basis [00:12:50.240] uh on the on on the nuclear sites and on [00:12:52.520] a daily basis in commercial air travel [00:12:56.760] space. UAP have come over nuclear [00:12:59.600] missile sites and actually turned off [00:13:02.160] the missiles. [00:13:03.800] And so, you know, when something like [00:13:05.800] that happens, you just got to take it [00:13:07.640] seriously. [00:13:08.280] >> And the the technology that they’re [00:13:09.560] displaying is technology that no humans [00:13:12.640] have. [00:13:14.200] And again, there has been some crashes [00:13:16.520] and in those crashes there have been the [00:13:18.760] bodies of non-humans. How do we know [00:13:20.680] that? How do we know that in those [00:13:22.480] crashes they’ve recovered bodies of [00:13:24.200] non-humans? The whistleblowers basically [00:13:26.560] coming forward from the government. [00:13:27.560] >> So we So the basis of the that evidence [00:13:29.920] is that some people have said it. At [00:13:32.160] this point, until until [00:13:35.640] previously classified information [00:13:38.080] regarding crashes and is and recoveries [00:13:40.160] is declassified, [00:13:41.720] until it [clears throat] happens, the [00:13:42.920] best we can hope for is credible people [00:13:45.200] putting their reputation on the line to [00:13:46.880] tell you this is what’s been happening. [00:13:48.440] Did someone during your process of [00:13:49.760] making the documentary who had seen [00:13:52.600] non-alien non-human life non-human [00:13:55.320] intelligence tell you that? Yeah. Who [00:13:58.160] was that? A number of people, but [00:14:00.080] notably, you know, [00:14:02.000] Jay Stratton who we just talked about. [00:14:03.320] >> Yes, right. [00:14:04.080] >> Who co-created, co-founded AATIP, and [00:14:06.840] then became the director of the UAP Task [00:14:08.680] Force, the largest whole of government [00:14:09.920] investigation of UAP ever. What did he [00:14:11.960] say? He went on the record in the film [00:14:14.920] saying that he’s seen non-human beings [00:14:16.800] and non-human craft with his own eyes. [00:14:18.720] That was the farthest he could go at [00:14:20.000] that point. Why did he say he couldn’t [00:14:21.720] go further? Uh he he he he had a [00:14:24.760] situation that he [00:14:26.600] was involved in that um [00:14:29.440] for a few reasons he wasn’t he just [00:14:31.000] wasn’t comfortable talking about it yet, [00:14:32.720] and some of it I think he just wanted to [00:14:34.480] make sure he legally could. Now, going [00:14:36.400] back to credibility, like take a guy [00:14:38.000] like Jay saying that. When Jay retired a [00:14:40.839] few years back, he was part of the [00:14:43.000] senior executive services of the federal [00:14:44.520] government. That’s a level less than 1% [00:14:46.640] of all federal employees ever reach. You [00:14:48.600] know, it’s equivalent of a two-star [00:14:49.920] admiral or general. Um very very senior, [00:14:53.160] very trusted. You know, [00:14:55.880] cleared at a very high level. [00:14:57.680] Um he had worked with naval intelligence [00:15:00.000] in a senior capacity. [00:15:01.839] Uh he had worked with the CIA. He had [00:15:03.839] worked with the Defense Intelligence [00:15:04.960] Agency as the head of aerospace warfare. [00:15:06.839] It’s a super serious, credible guy. And [00:15:10.800] he’s he’s he’s putting his reputation on [00:15:12.240] the line to share this information [00:15:14.760] um to the extent that he legally could [00:15:16.800] and and comfortably could. And when you [00:15:18.880] asked him why [00:15:21.320] the world doesn’t know this stuff in his [00:15:23.760] view, what did he What would he say? [00:15:25.200] There’s a lot of reasons. I mean, [00:15:26.200] certainly the, you know, the idea that [00:15:28.320] we can’t tell our friends without [00:15:29.840] telling our enemies has been a driver. [00:15:32.160] To just to recap the reasons for [00:15:33.600] secrecy, I I I actually believe it it’s [00:15:36.000] better to kind of start from the [00:15:36.840] beginning. When this When when in 1947, [00:15:40.280] there was a crash at Roswell of [00:15:42.040] non-human origin [00:15:43.600] and uh yeah, RA uh RAAF captures flying [00:15:47.200] saucer on ranch in Roswell region. Yeah. [00:15:49.080] >> That’s right. And then this is the image [00:15:50.760] of their cover-up story trying to show [00:15:52.960] weather ballooner. Yeah, so multiple [00:15:54.400] people in my film go on the record [00:15:55.640] saying the Roswell crash really [00:15:56.800] happened. Uh technology of non-human [00:15:58.960] origin and non-human bodies were [00:16:00.720] recovered. [00:16:01.880] Um if you put yourself in the shoes of [00:16:03.760] the military and government at that [00:16:05.120] point, like put yourself in Truman and, [00:16:06.800] you know, Eisenhower’s shoes, you’re [00:16:08.360] just coming out of World War II. The [00:16:10.080] world was just chaos for a very long [00:16:11.520] time. It’s finally starting to settle [00:16:12.760] down. You can’t exactly step to the [00:16:14.800] microphone and tell [00:16:16.480] America that there’s a new threat that [00:16:18.640] we know nothing about and we can’t [00:16:19.960] protect you from. They’re far advanced, [00:16:22.000] you know, [00:16:23.040] what what’s the advantage of that? So, [00:16:24.720] secrecy became the plan at that point [00:16:27.440] and [00:16:28.800] they had more questions than answers. [00:16:30.720] So, everyone I’ve talked to gave me [00:16:32.280] context explained that the the the the [00:16:35.520] plan for secrecy went in motion there. [00:16:38.040] Uh let’s investigate. Let’s find out [00:16:39.920] more about what we don’t know before we [00:16:41.839] tell the American people. That was [00:16:43.240] quickly followed by the Cold War era and [00:16:46.280] we learned that Russia also had [00:16:47.760] retrieved technology of non-human [00:16:49.400] origin. And so, we knew we were in a [00:16:50.880] technology race. So, then the idea of [00:16:53.400] can’t tell your friend without telling [00:16:54.800] your enemy ruled the day. So, now the [00:16:56.760] Cold War mentality, you know, led to [00:16:58.520] more secrecy and as a security wrapper [00:17:01.000] for this this program that it that it [00:17:02.960] started, uh they created the stigma in [00:17:05.720] the late ’40s, early ’50s. This cultural [00:17:07.640] stigma, this idea that you’re crazy if [00:17:09.760] you look into this topic. You’re wacky, [00:17:12.120] you’ll have your reputation ruined, [00:17:13.480] you’ll have your career ruined. [00:17:14.680] >> actually to CIA meeting where people got [00:17:17.360] together and said, “Okay, in order to [00:17:19.760] not have people be pursuing this area, [00:17:22.199] let’s go out of our way to spread [00:17:24.839] what we would call now disinformation [00:17:27.079] about this [00:17:27.560] >> very basically the most effective [00:17:28.800] disinformation campaign in the history [00:17:30.360] of the US government because it got into [00:17:32.200] our culture, some movies were funded [00:17:34.040] that made aliens seem silly, and the [00:17:35.920] idea of life from elsewhere seemed [00:17:37.120] ridiculous, and that compounded over the [00:17:39.480] years, and then we got to the point [00:17:41.640] where where we were like, you know, just [00:17:44.080] just like few years ago, where the [00:17:46.120] average person just thinks it’s not [00:17:47.680] real. You know, the average scientist, [00:17:49.440] academia, Yeah. you know, they think [00:17:51.360] it’s conspiracy stuff, it’s nonsense, [00:17:53.120] it’s silly. Um there was no advantage [00:17:55.440] for elected leaders to get in front of [00:17:57.600] this or for military members to, you [00:18:00.000] know, speak up about what they learned [00:18:01.360] or saw. It would be a career ruiner. [00:18:03.920] Um [00:18:04.640] and uh that started to shift uh several [00:18:08.800] years back when Jay Stratton [00:18:12.280] and Jim McCaslin when they put together [00:18:13.840] AATIP in 2010, and they started to go [00:18:17.440] out there and collect data [00:18:20.000] um and get evidence, and they started to [00:18:22.160] actually share it with the Senate [00:18:23.720] Intelligence Committee and the Senate [00:18:25.360] Armed Services Committee, and looking at [00:18:28.240] classified data in a classified setting, [00:18:29.880] people like Marco Rubio, who was the [00:18:31.200] vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence [00:18:32.440] Committee at the time, started to [00:18:33.640] realize, [00:18:34.960] Yeah, so there’s something here. [00:18:36.400] >> Not only is there something here, but [00:18:37.120] we’ve got a problem, right? There’s a [00:18:38.920] lot of a lot of UAP activity over these [00:18:41.520] highly classified sites like our nuclear [00:18:43.040] weapons sites. There’s a lot at stake. [00:18:45.000] We are in this, you know, race with [00:18:47.000] other nations, and the stigma has [00:18:49.960] created a disadvantage for us. [00:18:52.080] It’s very hard to win a technology race [00:18:53.520] when the majority of your scientists [00:18:55.200] don’t know it’s a valid area of inquiry, [00:18:56.920] right? [00:18:58.080] And do people think that there’s one [00:18:59.520] type of non-human intelligence that’s [00:19:02.040] visiting the earth, or is there many, [00:19:03.520] many types? [00:19:04.200] >> People who have been involved in [00:19:05.720] recoveries have said [00:19:07.360] >> least four types, four separate types. [00:19:10.840] Now, I have not had direct access to [00:19:12.720] that, but I I I believe the people who I [00:19:15.400] talked to. Four different types of life. [00:19:17.960] Four different types of life, at least. [00:19:20.040] And the people [00:19:21.520] I’ve talked through to, you know, [00:19:23.440] through the process of making the [00:19:24.400] documentary, both on camera and [00:19:26.880] off-the-record sources, [00:19:28.800] and the people I also talked to over the [00:19:30.080] decades have said that there are there [00:19:32.440] have been dozens of recoveries of [00:19:34.640] crashed craft in the US alone. Dozens of [00:19:37.720] craft of non-human origin [00:19:40.000] that either crashed organically or [00:19:42.360] caused to crash [00:19:43.840] and then recovered. And have you spoken [00:19:45.880] to people who You talked about Jay. Have [00:19:48.040] you spoken to other people that have [00:19:49.680] worked on these [00:19:51.080] crashed crafts? I’ve talked I’ve talked [00:19:53.720] off the record with some people who are [00:19:55.280] involved in recoveries. They would not [00:19:57.520] go on camera to do interviews. [00:19:59.680] Special forces people that would not go [00:20:01.480] on camera do interviews. One I actually [00:20:03.560] thought I’ve I’ve mentioned this in [00:20:05.080] another interview, but um one I thought [00:20:07.240] was going to do an interview and then a [00:20:08.640] couple days before sent me a message [00:20:11.120] saying, “After further consideration and [00:20:13.680] long talks with my wife, I decided I’d [00:20:15.600] be forfeiting my life if I participated [00:20:17.480] in your interview.” [00:20:18.760] And I thought that was like very un- [00:20:21.360] very unsettling message to get, [00:20:22.800] obviously, but also very specific word [00:20:24.920] choice, you know, “forfeiting my life.” [00:20:26.960] What did he know? He was a special very [00:20:29.200] senior special forces guy who [00:20:31.240] had told me he had been involved in [00:20:33.360] multiple recoveries. [00:20:34.760] That’s what he told me. [00:20:35.920] Okay. [00:20:37.440] And I met him through uh some high-level [00:20:40.160] intelligence people. [00:20:41.680] Early on in my process, I got connected [00:20:44.320] with the Senate Intelligence Committee [00:20:46.320] and the Senate Armed Services Committee, [00:20:48.640] and they had on their own learned the [00:20:50.960] reality of the situation through the [00:20:53.800] work of ASAP and then ATIP and then the [00:20:56.960] UAP Task Force and through their own [00:20:59.720] their own intelligence channels. Leaders [00:21:02.320] on those committees wanted to educate [00:21:04.680] the public about what they could [00:21:06.960] lawfully about this, but they didn’t [00:21:08.480] really have a way to do it. It’s such a [00:21:10.600] complicated situation. It takes a while [00:21:13.200] to explain it. You can’t do it in like a [00:21:15.200] 6-minute news hit on Fox or CNN or even [00:21:17.680] like a 15-minute 60-minute segment. You [00:21:20.080] just can’t do it. And no one wanted to [00:21:22.840] be the one guy trying to do it. So, [00:21:25.880] when I started putting together the film [00:21:27.320] and socializing this safe way for people [00:21:29.320] to step forward, it also quickly became [00:21:32.720] those people’s plan for disclosure. [00:21:34.720] That’s why Senator Rubio participated. [00:21:37.000] That’s why White House National Security [00:21:38.320] Council members participated. It became [00:21:40.760] amongst the group of people who had [00:21:41.840] learned the truth, it became [00:21:44.120] the plan for disclosure, the way to [00:21:45.680] bring this information out in a [00:21:47.600] thoughtful [00:21:48.920] way. Do the presidents of the United [00:21:51.160] States [00:21:52.400] know about this stuff? Are they aware? [00:21:54.240] >> Historically, no. Historically [00:21:55.800] >> Yeah, and even Rubio says on camera [00:21:57.920] that, you know, historically, this has [00:22:00.800] been kept from even sitting presidents. [00:22:03.040] Who would know then? So, [00:22:05.120] a number of the people in my film break [00:22:06.920] down um who’s involved in legacy [00:22:09.800] program. [00:22:11.080] Now, sim- just to put it simply, it’s [00:22:13.360] elements of the CIA, elements of the Air [00:22:15.840] Force, elements of the Department of [00:22:17.560] Energy, and a few major defense [00:22:19.960] contractors. And they have the ability [00:22:22.400] to access information from a number of [00:22:24.280] federal agencies and branches of the [00:22:25.800] military, but the the primary leaders of [00:22:28.240] this program are the CIA, the Air Force, [00:22:30.360] the Department of Energy, and major [00:22:31.680] defense contractors. And Rubio breaks [00:22:33.120] down in the film the way our bureaucracy [00:22:35.000] works, um [00:22:37.040] you could have [00:22:38.640] career bureaucrats in positions of power [00:22:41.000] at those organizations for decades, [00:22:44.320] and they can just wait out sitting [00:22:45.920] presidents. They can wait out sitting [00:22:48.000] senators. [00:22:48.880] >> presidents as just temporary help. [00:22:51.280] They’re going to come and go. And that’s [00:22:52.920] what’s been happening up until this [00:22:55.000] point now. So, the fact that Rubio had [00:22:58.160] learned so much about the reality of the [00:23:00.000] the and the extent of the cover-up, and [00:23:02.120] then ended up arguably the second most [00:23:04.040] powerful guy in the world as our [00:23:05.000] Secretary of State and our National [00:23:06.280] Security Advisor at the same time, [00:23:08.440] which has only happened once in US [00:23:09.720] history, Henry Kissinger for 2 years. No [00:23:12.160] one else has ever had both those jobs at [00:23:13.880] the same time. The fact that he ended up [00:23:15.720] in that position of power and influence [00:23:18.080] after learning the reality of the [00:23:19.320] situation, and right as the age of [00:23:22.120] disclosure is coming out and driving [00:23:23.520] this national conversation, [00:23:25.400] it really led to the current President [00:23:28.040] Trump being informed about this in a way [00:23:30.600] that no president has in a very long [00:23:32.320] time. So, are you saying that the United [00:23:34.920] States don’t think the public are ready [00:23:36.760] to even know that this exists? Because, [00:23:39.760] you know, they could tell us that they [00:23:41.640] have recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever [00:23:44.360] it might be, without telling us about [00:23:46.280] the technology. They could, and I think [00:23:48.200] we’re going to get to that point. [00:23:49.280] >> Yeah, I think that they were trapped in [00:23:51.280] in the system that had that had grown [00:23:53.400] up, and uh people behind the scenes [00:23:56.920] working in the classified programs said, [00:23:59.120] “Well, you know, we don’t know how the [00:24:00.400] public is going to respond, so let’s be [00:24:03.480] safe, and let’s let’s just keep it [00:24:05.400] in-house.” Do you think Trump believes [00:24:07.240] that there are aliens? Cuz I I was [00:24:09.000] looking at some of his quotes, and he [00:24:10.280] said, “Well, I don’t know if they’re [00:24:12.040] real or not. I don’t have an opinion on [00:24:14.520] it. I never talk about it. A lot of [00:24:16.360] people do. A lot of people believe it.” [00:24:18.440] Barack Obama said that aliens are real. [00:24:22.520] Well, he ain’t supposed to provide [00:24:23.560] information. He’s not supposed to be [00:24:25.000] doing that. So, aliens are real? No, I [00:24:27.560] don’t I don’t have an opinion on it. I [00:24:29.240] never talk about it. A lot of people do. [00:24:32.080] A lot of people believe it. [00:24:34.480] So, you believe it, Greer? Uh well, if [00:24:36.280] the president can declassify anything [00:24:38.200] that he wants to, so if he wants to make [00:24:39.720] an announcement I may get him out of [00:24:41.240] trouble by declassifying. One of the [00:24:43.520] things that came out in the age of [00:24:44.960] disclosure [00:24:46.240] is that [00:24:48.800] during Trump’s first administration, [00:24:51.480] his cabinet was briefed by the UAP Task [00:24:54.640] Force, by Jay Stratton. And [00:24:57.400] when he briefed them [00:24:58.880] uh he was told that they had asked for [00:25:01.080] this briefing [00:25:02.440] because they needed to be able to [00:25:03.720] evaluate what the repercussions would be [00:25:05.360] if Trump decided to step to the [00:25:06.600] microphone and tell the world we’re not [00:25:08.120] alone in the universe. Obviously, he [00:25:10.120] didn’t end up deciding to do that then. [00:25:12.920] However, in this new administration [00:25:15.880] he’s got Rubio [00:25:17.680] in the position of Secretary of State [00:25:18.760] and National Security Advisor and fully [00:25:20.160] aware of the situation and that has [00:25:23.080] given him the comfort to put this this [00:25:24.560] process in motion. There’s certainly a [00:25:26.200] disclosure process unfolding right now. [00:25:28.520] Obama said in an interview that he did [00:25:30.680] with Brian Tyler Cohen [00:25:32.960] when asked about aliens, Obama said, [00:25:35.840] “They’re real, but I haven’t seen them. [00:25:37.760] They’re not being kept at Area 51. [00:25:39.560] There’s no underground facility unless [00:25:41.200] there’s this enormous conspiracy and [00:25:43.320] they hid it from the President of the [00:25:44.560] United States.” Now, that sounded to me [00:25:46.560] like kind of sarcasm when he said [00:25:48.000] they’re real, but and then explained all [00:25:49.360] that they’re not real. [00:25:50.880] They’re real, but I haven’t seen them [00:25:52.800] and and and uh they’re not being kept in [00:25:55.600] uh Area 51. Uh there there’s no [00:25:57.840] underground uh facility unless there’s [00:26:01.720] this enormous conspiracy and they they [00:26:04.960] hid it from the President of the United [00:26:06.240] States. [00:26:07.360] So, it would appear to me that Obama [00:26:09.120] also doesn’t know of any aliens. I think [00:26:12.560] Obama was largely kept in the dark. I [00:26:15.160] think he does know that the base fact [00:26:17.200] that we’re not alone in the universe and [00:26:18.520] I actually think when he said they’re [00:26:19.960] real, I think he was being that was just [00:26:22.560] candid. [00:26:23.160] >> honest. [00:26:23.680] >> That was his honest, candid, genuine [00:26:25.520] statement. I think when he then said [00:26:27.480] they’re not kept at Area 51 I think he’s [00:26:29.440] also being honest cuz none of my sources [00:26:32.400] say that say that UAP and aliens are [00:26:34.520] being kept at Area 51. They’re being [00:26:35.800] kept somewhere else. [00:26:37.160] Um [00:26:37.760] so, I think he was being honest there [00:26:40.240] and I think when he made the comment of [00:26:42.320] uh unless there’s a giant conspiracy, if [00:26:44.680] you watch the tape, he like sips his cup [00:26:46.280] and raises his eyebrows as he said. He [00:26:48.000] thinks [00:26:48.960] he knows there’s a giant conspiracy. [00:26:50.360] That’s the truth. The following day uh [00:26:52.640] Trump was asked about that on Air Force [00:26:54.800] One and he responded saying Obama [00:26:57.240] revealed classified information and he [00:26:58.680] shouldn’t have said that. And um [00:27:02.000] I think that’s the truth. Yeah. I think [00:27:04.400] presidents don’t don’t know when they’re [00:27:05.760] and they’re told not to talk about it. [00:27:07.240] Trump has started to release a lot of [00:27:09.240] classified information around UAP and [00:27:11.680] aliens. The first batch of that was [00:27:13.640] released a couple of days ago. What [00:27:15.240] exactly is inside this report? There was [00:27:19.400] a number of files, reports, [00:27:22.240] video, and [00:27:24.600] still images that were declassified. [00:27:27.240] This is information that previously had [00:27:29.840] been classified or just never really [00:27:32.880] made public. [00:27:34.760] This was just the first tranche of what [00:27:38.200] has been what will be released. [00:27:40.440] The most notable piece of evidence in [00:27:42.560] there is an image, a still image, from [00:27:45.360] the 1972 Apollo mission. It’s an image [00:27:47.960] of a triangle, [00:27:49.560] seemingly triangle-shaped craft, [00:27:51.800] hovering above the moon and above the [00:27:53.720] astronauts. And the image was taken from [00:27:56.560] the from the lunar module. And [00:27:59.920] you know, the UAP task force looked into [00:28:01.480] this image years ago and determined it [00:28:04.320] was real. That seems to be the most [00:28:06.240] glaring piece of evidence in this this [00:28:08.080] tranche. But I will say this, Hal and I [00:28:10.000] both have the same a lot of the same [00:28:11.960] sources of information and [00:28:15.120] everyone we’ve talked to at various [00:28:16.360] federal agencies has told us that [00:28:19.680] when the president gave this directive [00:28:20.840] in middle of February for federal [00:28:22.120] agencies to declassify evidence of [00:28:23.880] non-human intelligent life and UAP, [00:28:26.440] only a few [00:28:28.120] engaged with it. They only gave a small [00:28:31.200] percent of what they have. [00:28:33.160] And they only had a couple weeks to do [00:28:34.680] it. [00:28:35.040] >> Mhm. One of the things I I think I’ve [00:28:36.640] always struggled with with the idea of [00:28:38.400] these kind of conspiracies um [00:28:41.000] is that I don’t know why that [00:28:42.680] information would necessarily fall into [00:28:46.200] the hands of like government officials [00:28:48.120] because, you know, alien life forms or [00:28:49.840] UAPs would be [00:28:51.760] visible and would land in anyone’s back [00:28:53.920] garden. So, you would you could imagine [00:28:55.640] a world, especially in a world where we [00:28:56.760] have, I don’t know, like 8 billion [00:28:57.880] iPhones roaming around. Can imagine a [00:29:00.280] world where if there was some kind of [00:29:01.760] UAP crash in my garden, it would be on [00:29:04.480] TikTok within 5 minutes. Yeah. Or if [00:29:06.440] there really was [00:29:07.200] >> Someone got there with an iPhone. You’re [00:29:08.840] right. You know, there was that incident [00:29:11.080] earlier in the year with those with were [00:29:12.440] they drones in in America flying [00:29:14.480] >> Jersey. Jersey Jersey Jersey Jersey And [00:29:16.720] that was on social media within minutes [00:29:18.360] and everyone was talking about it and [00:29:19.440] looking at what they were. I don’t know, [00:29:21.000] I think in the modern world because we [00:29:22.560] have so many ways to capture [00:29:24.520] high-quality video, if there was [00:29:26.640] something out there, we would have seen [00:29:29.600] a very clear image of this thing by now. [00:29:32.640] >> Well, there’s a lot That’s why there [00:29:33.440] there’s a lot that came out in these [00:29:35.160] files because over the years our sensor [00:29:37.800] systems that the pilots have in their [00:29:39.960] planes have gotten so much better. [00:29:42.600] They’ve captured, really, [00:29:44.480] a small amount. Does this life want to [00:29:46.240] be seen? Do these aliens want us to know [00:29:48.200] that they’re I’d have to assume that [00:29:50.080] given the level of quality of their [00:29:53.200] technology, if they didn’t want to be [00:29:54.960] seen, we we wouldn’t be seeing them. [00:29:57.480] So, it seems like I would say there’s [00:29:59.400] evidence that, for whatever reason, [00:30:01.840] they’re they’re they’re wanting to be [00:30:03.360] seen. But also like I my personal [00:30:05.760] opinion is that if someone answers that [00:30:08.000] question, they’re answering it through [00:30:10.280] the lens of like how humans think, [00:30:12.320] right? [00:30:13.280] For all we know, [00:30:14.880] you know, we’re we’re ants to them. You [00:30:17.040] know, you don’t hide from the ants. You [00:30:18.600] walk around them. You don’t even But you [00:30:19.920] also don’t pay attention to them, you [00:30:21.440] know? Based on their behavior from the [00:30:22.960] interviews you’ve done, [00:30:25.320] how do you think they view us? I I [00:30:27.840] honestly feel like the dynamic is, you [00:30:30.640] know, we are very very far below them on [00:30:33.640] the food chain. You know, Hal makes an [00:30:35.000] analogy in the film. He says, “The ants [00:30:37.680] in your [00:30:39.040] tree line in your backyard, they could [00:30:40.400] be there for generations. You never [00:30:42.200] think about them, you walk around them, [00:30:44.760] you don’t you’re not hiding from them, [00:30:46.240] but like they’re there and you don’t [00:30:47.520] really care, right? But what happens if [00:30:49.640] they evolve one day and out of nowhere [00:30:51.960] they figured out how to get into your [00:30:53.400] house and they beelined under your under [00:30:55.600] your door and they’re in your living [00:30:56.640] room, right? We might have evolved [00:30:59.080] technologically over the last 80 years [00:31:01.440] since we cracked the atom so quickly [00:31:03.560] that we’re now, you know, the equivalent [00:31:05.440] of the ants showing up in their living [00:31:07.880] room. Like all of a sudden [00:31:09.720] >> All of a sudden this warring species, [00:31:11.800] this violent species, humans, you know, [00:31:14.000] um [00:31:15.440] we have we we progressed so quickly. We [00:31:17.680] went from no real technological progress [00:31:20.240] progress for a very long time to [00:31:22.040] cracking the atom and then figuring out [00:31:23.960] nuclear technology and then continuing [00:31:25.600] to increase, you know, our our nuclear [00:31:27.640] technology development. [00:31:29.960] And, you know, we have this program that [00:31:32.480] has been retrieving their crashed craft [00:31:34.480] and trying to reverse engineer them. So, [00:31:36.200] we might be at that point where we’re [00:31:38.320] about to do what they do and all of a [00:31:40.360] sudden we are a problem. Um that might [00:31:43.520] be the explanation of why they pay so [00:31:45.600] much attention to our nuclear process. [00:31:47.640] You know, there’s a lot of UAP activity [00:31:49.200] not only at the nuclear weapon sites all [00:31:51.280] over the world, but um [00:31:54.040] uh sites involved in the process, the [00:31:55.600] nuclear process, like uranium mines or [00:31:58.000] refineries. Is it you know [00:32:00.000] >> It might just be we’ve [clears throat] [00:32:00.640] gotten to the point where all of a [00:32:01.680] sudden they have they have to [00:32:05.200] In uh in the Soviet Union, uh [00:32:08.200] the UAP came over and actually started [00:32:11.800] a launch of the Russian missiles. [00:32:14.960] I mean, they actually forced the system [00:32:17.160] to start into a countdown process. [00:32:18.880] >> know that? [00:32:20.200] By the intelligence community’s [00:32:23.280] uh access to information about it. [00:32:25.720] Every person we spoke to in Belorac of [00:32:27.560] each has said they saw a flying saucer [00:32:29.920] on that day. [00:32:31.280] For hours it hovered over the nearby [00:32:33.120] ballistic missile base. No No had [00:32:35.280] touched any buttons. No one had entered [00:32:37.760] any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered [00:32:40.400] over the base, the control panel showed [00:32:42.560] the missiles were preparing to launch. [00:32:45.320] For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost [00:32:48.600] control of its nuclear weapons. [00:32:51.720] Logically, I would think that unusual [00:32:53.840] activity would happen [00:32:56.000] around consequential sites. Yes. You [00:32:58.880] know, I’d be more surprised if there was [00:33:00.280] really frequent unusual activity [00:33:02.240] happening in my back garden, for [00:33:03.680] example. But, around highly [00:33:06.320] consequential sites, one would expect [00:33:08.200] there to be [00:33:09.360] people flying things around there, [00:33:10.640] spying. You know what people are like [00:33:11.960] with cameras these days. They want to [00:33:13.200] take photos of anything interesting. [00:33:14.600] They They hang around police stations [00:33:15.960] and army barracks. Right. Right. So, [00:33:17.800] logically, I would assume that there [00:33:18.880] would be an an increased probability of [00:33:20.800] strange activity in the sky above a [00:33:22.760] nuclear site. Well, in fact, there was a [00:33:25.160] group of people in the intelligence [00:33:26.560] community who who recognized exactly [00:33:28.920] what you’re saying. And so, they decided [00:33:31.480] to, you know, make an attractive magnet [00:33:34.720] by getting a whole lot of nuclear [00:33:37.640] assets in in one location to see if that [00:33:40.480] would draw them in. And my understanding [00:33:43.080] it was successful. [00:33:44.560] So, you know, our nation and other [00:33:46.160] nations have figured out circumstances [00:33:48.160] that can, for lack of a better term, [00:33:51.200] bait UAP. Right. Right. Um [00:33:53.920] a certain level of nuclear footprint in [00:33:56.160] a in a small radius [00:33:58.600] tends to attract them. [00:34:00.240] And um [00:34:01.680] our nation figured that out a long time [00:34:03.080] ago, and and so did other nations. One [00:34:05.120] of the things that I I thought about is [00:34:07.000] I know I know very little about physics, [00:34:08.360] but I know one thing I know is how big [00:34:10.360] the universe is. [00:34:12.040] Now, I’m quite a big fan of SpaceX. I’m [00:34:13.639] actually invested in the company. And um [00:34:16.280] from my fascination with space, I’ve [00:34:18.000] learned just how big the universe is, [00:34:20.000] and how long it would take us to travel [00:34:21.760] from, [00:34:22.919] I don’t know, Earth to the nearest uh [00:34:24.720] galaxy. The closest star system to us, [00:34:27.840] which is called Alpha Centauri, Mhm. [00:34:29.960] Alpha Centauri, right. is over four [00:34:32.600] light years away, which is about 40 24 [00:34:35.760] trillion miles. [00:34:36.879] >> Mhm. [00:34:38.000] If we traveled at the impossible 10% of [00:34:41.080] the speed of light, which is impossible, [00:34:43.200] currently impossible, it would take a [00:34:44.720] ship 40 years to get there. Now, [00:34:47.240] fortunately, what we learned in looking [00:34:50.120] at what might be the underlying physics [00:34:52.440] and using Einstein’s theory of general [00:34:54.320] relativity, it turns out that there are [00:34:56.919] ways of modifying the effective speed of [00:34:59.920] light to make it much higher. [00:35:02.920] Or much lower. So, you you you can do [00:35:05.200] that. So, So, when you get into [00:35:07.400] potentially modifying [00:35:09.320] what we call the space-time metric, [00:35:11.880] you could get to a point where you can [00:35:13.400] make wormholes and warp drives, and [00:35:17.080] those are things that are not off the [00:35:19.080] charts. I mean, they’re actually [00:35:20.480] textbooks by general relativity experts [00:35:23.440] on on the fact that you could [00:35:24.960] re-engineer the space-time [00:35:26.560] >> So, you’re not saying So, you could do [00:35:27.480] it. You could get from here to there. [00:35:30.040] But, you’re not saying you would travel [00:35:31.440] in like a like a a a line like you do in [00:35:34.160] a plane, right? [00:35:35.320] >> Well, you could. You You could. It It If [00:35:37.720] If you arrange for the effective speed [00:35:40.560] of light in that line to be [00:35:44.000] much higher, then without breaking the [00:35:45.880] speed of light, you can zoom over there [00:35:48.680] very quickly. So, you even even in in in [00:35:51.840] the straight line uh [00:35:53.520] But, no no one at the moment knows how [00:35:55.240] to do that on Earth. [00:35:57.840] I think I think [00:35:58.440] >> write the equations and see how it [00:36:00.760] doesn’t violate our physics equations, [00:36:02.680] but we don’t have the [00:36:04.800] uh engineering capabilities. So, we [00:36:07.480] figured out basically we figured out [00:36:09.920] like how these how these craft are [00:36:11.760] operating, the theory of it, but we [00:36:14.120] don’t have the material sciences right [00:36:15.480] to exactly to replicate it. What I’m [00:36:17.280] pointing out is if you travel at that [00:36:18.800] speed across the universe, if you even [00:36:20.840] hit I don’t know [00:36:22.120] an object the size of a pebble, it would [00:36:24.200] be like a nuclear explosion. Yeah, but [00:36:26.240] thing is, when you’re modifying uh [00:36:29.160] it’s sort of like making like like a [00:36:31.520] surfer wave on [00:36:34.120] you know at the seashore, you you [00:36:36.600] arrange to have space moving ahead like [00:36:39.280] that. So, you come up to a rock, it’s [00:36:41.600] just going to push it aside. So, so [00:36:44.160] >> engineer that. This is how I’ve wrapped [00:36:45.720] my head around it. Essentially, they’re [00:36:47.400] they’re warping space-time in a [00:36:49.120] localized area. They’re creating immense [00:36:50.680] amount of energy around the craft and it [00:36:53.520] creates essentially a bubble around the [00:36:55.080] craft. And that bubble separates the [00:36:57.120] craft from the environment around it. [00:36:59.680] So, the environment has no no impact on [00:37:02.080] the craft. That’s why we see transmedium [00:37:04.040] travel like a craft going, you know, [00:37:06.320] smooth from space to air to the water [00:37:08.920] without even a splash. The environment [00:37:11.440] around the bubble has no bearing on the [00:37:14.320] craft inside it. And the craft inside it [00:37:16.480] is in its own space-time. [00:37:18.640] And once you wrap your head around that, [00:37:20.880] then things like interstellar travel [00:37:22.520] become totally possible. 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So I [00:39:53.200] mean some of them do do do crash and and [00:39:56.200] it can have maybe some of our [00:39:58.240] electromagnetic pulsing and laser [00:40:00.120] pulsing can interfere with their [00:40:02.520] technology and and and and you might get [00:40:04.880] a crash. Why why don’t you Why do you [00:40:06.600] think another country hasn’t come [00:40:08.160] forward with [00:40:09.800] similar disclosures and similar [00:40:11.440] evidence? I actually think there’s a [00:40:13.280] really simple answer for that. I think [00:40:15.760] our allies follow the US’s lead. Right. [00:40:18.920] And I think our adversaries, [00:40:21.200] primarily China and Russia, have no [00:40:23.400] reason to go public. [00:40:25.280] They don’t have the same sort of [00:40:26.520] societies and dynamics. Like Xi can do [00:40:29.760] what he wants anyway. What’s What’s the [00:40:31.640] advantage to him? [00:40:32.960] Same thing with Putin. You know, there [00:40:34.400] is no advantage. And when you look at it [00:40:36.520] that way, you really quickly get to the, [00:40:38.800] you know, [00:40:39.720] this is the way it is for that reason. [00:40:41.280] They did a study in 2026 and found that [00:40:43.080] 45 planets are likely capable of [00:40:45.960] supporting life. [00:40:47.880] They call this the habitable zone out of [00:40:49.760] more than 6,000 planets discovered so [00:40:52.160] far by NASA. Mhm. Um there are [00:40:54.840] approximately a trillion galaxies in the [00:40:56.440] universe and within these galaxies [00:40:58.360] 100,000 planets could potentially host [00:41:01.240] life according to Oxford University. [00:41:03.240] Now, I believe that if you think about [00:41:05.960] the entire universe, [00:41:08.000] I believe that we’re not the only life [00:41:10.560] in the universe. Yes, right. I think [00:41:12.720] that’s I mean I think that’s a very [00:41:13.960] scientific conclusion. Probabilistically [00:41:16.120] it would be pretty incredible if we [00:41:17.920] were. I mean, it’d be just it’s almost [00:41:19.520] inconceivable that we are. The question [00:41:21.520] of whether that life has been here is a [00:41:23.520] question that for me is still a big [00:41:24.920] question mark. [00:41:26.360] Because I just, you know, I also I think [00:41:28.960] Elon, you know, whatever you think about [00:41:30.280] Elon, he is someone that seems to just [00:41:32.280] say what he thinks. [00:41:33.800] And this is part of what’s caused his [00:41:35.080] companies a lot of problems. He seems to [00:41:36.720] be pretty unfiltered. He has been asked [00:41:39.160] multiple times as well if he believes [00:41:40.960] that they are there are aliens in the in [00:41:43.440] in our galaxy and he has said on [00:41:45.200] multiple occasions that he doesn’t [00:41:47.040] believe that to be the case. And you [00:41:48.280] know, he’s launching rockets all the [00:41:49.640] time. So, he said, I heard him say, “If [00:41:51.760] anyone should know, it should be me.” [00:41:54.280] You do think he knows? [00:41:56.080] I think that you can’t operate in space [00:42:00.000] at at at the level he does or operate as [00:42:03.840] a contractor at the level he does [00:42:06.720] um [00:42:07.640] without having clearances that require [00:42:10.720] secrecy. You know, there’s [00:42:12.760] there’s there’s all kinds of [00:42:14.960] uh uh levels of secrecy. You know, [00:42:16.520] there’s Everyone knows the word [00:42:17.480] classified, right? There’s classified [00:42:18.640] projects, but there’s also black [00:42:20.080] projects that are unacknowledged special [00:42:22.640] access programs where you literally by [00:42:25.440] law required [00:42:27.320] to not acknowledge the existence of the [00:42:29.160] program or anything it does. That’s [00:42:31.240] literally the the Anything it knows. [00:42:32.920] Yeah. That’s literally the whole They’re [00:42:34.440] They’re literally referred to as [00:42:35.720] unacknowledged special access programs. [00:42:37.960] That would be his team as well, wouldn’t [00:42:39.600] So, if you’re involved with an [00:42:40.680] unacknowledged special access program, [00:42:42.040] if someone asks you about it, [00:42:43.840] you you have to say you have no idea [00:42:45.280] what they’re talking about. And all of [00:42:46.160] his team. [00:42:47.400] If if they are a part of the program, [00:42:49.000] yeah. [00:42:50.120] But just because someone’s um read it on [00:42:52.440] an unacknowledged special access program [00:42:55.120] doesn’t mean all their employees are. [00:42:57.440] Elon said um that we have 9,000 [00:42:59.960] satellites up there. He’s referring to [00:43:01.320] his company Starlink, and not once have [00:43:02.840] we had to maneuver around an alien [00:43:04.120] spaceship. He argues that if aliens were [00:43:06.480] constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace [00:43:08.280] experts who watch these guys every day [00:43:10.520] would be the first to know. Well, look, [00:43:13.040] NASA also has said for decades that they [00:43:15.160] have no evidence [00:43:16.680] of extraterrestrial [laughter] [00:43:18.440] life or UAPs, and last Friday the [00:43:21.000] federal government released a photo of a [00:43:22.480] triangle craft hovering over the 1972 [00:43:24.560] Apollo space mission. So, somebody’s [00:43:26.680] somebody’s not being honest. [00:43:28.600] Right. You know, which also implies a [00:43:30.320] lot of other people know things that [00:43:32.040] they haven’t revealed. [00:43:34.120] I think I’ve heard you say before how [00:43:35.880] that you think [00:43:37.200] this intelligent life actually exists [00:43:39.000] amongst us. Yeah, I I The quote was [00:43:41.480] they are not occasional visitors. They [00:43:43.320] live secretly alongside humans, but with [00:43:45.280] advanced technology. We have so many [00:43:47.640] sightings and so many uh [00:43:50.560] even access to materials and so on. [00:43:54.080] I mean, they’re all over the place. 65% [00:43:56.720] of Americans believe intelligent life [00:43:58.000] exists on other planets. 40% of people [00:44:00.840] say military reported UFOs are probably [00:44:02.840] evidence of extraterrestrial life, [00:44:05.280] according to Pew Research. And 30% of [00:44:06.760] Americans believe UFOs or unidentified [00:44:08.880] flying objects are probably alien ships [00:44:10.640] of life form. And 47% of Americans [00:44:13.440] believe aliens have definitely or [00:44:14.800] probably visited Earth at some point, [00:44:16.760] according to YouGov. Half of Americans [00:44:19.080] believe that UFOs [00:44:22.240] {slash} aliens have definitely or [00:44:24.640] probably visited life at some point. [00:44:27.080] Mhm. Quite a lot of people. [00:44:28.400] >> Well, you see you see you see the the [00:44:30.880] Age of Disclosure film and the people [00:44:33.000] that came forward. I mean, you had [00:44:35.000] Clapper, ex uh [00:44:37.320] head of the office of Director of [00:44:39.120] National Intelligence and Senator Rubio [00:44:41.600] at the time, now in his elevated [00:44:44.480] position and so on. [00:44:46.200] You now have people of real quality and [00:44:49.960] you know they’re not lying. And they’re [00:44:52.120] coming forth and saying, “This is real [00:44:54.800] and we got to deal with it. And there’s [00:44:57.960] a lot we don’t know about it.” Could you [00:44:59.920] be wrong? [00:45:01.560] Um I don’t think it’s about [00:45:02.561] [clears throat] whether I’m wrong or how [00:45:04.840] strong. You’d have to believe that [00:45:07.520] senior leadership across the government, [00:45:10.120] the military, the intelligence community [00:45:12.840] that has access to classified [00:45:14.080] information [00:45:15.520] and is saying, “Based on the classified [00:45:17.040] information they have seen, this is a [00:45:18.840] real situation.” You’d have to believe [00:45:20.560] all of those people are lying for some [00:45:22.840] bizarre unexplained reason. [00:45:25.760] So, I find that hard to believe. [00:45:27.920] Could it be the case that all of those [00:45:29.000] people were misinterpreting what they [00:45:31.040] were seeing? [00:45:32.240] They they saw something, you know, if [00:45:34.360] at flight altitude they saw something [00:45:35.520] moving in their visors when they’re up [00:45:37.920] in space. [00:45:39.520] Not really, because [00:45:40.760] >> No, no, I mean, in some cases that could [00:45:42.480] be the case, but then when you have [00:45:44.120] actual materials, crashed craft, [00:45:47.800] bodies that aren’t [00:45:49.560] human. Also, a lot of these sightings um [00:45:53.160] they’re now in the process of the White [00:45:55.640] House, cabinet members are in the [00:45:57.400] process of [00:45:59.200] identifying where the evidence exists [00:46:01.240] within federal agencies and the military [00:46:03.320] so they can get access to it themselves [00:46:06.360] and then determine from there what can [00:46:08.440] safely be shared with the public. I [00:46:10.360] think once they get their hands on more [00:46:12.760] evidence, then a plan would put in place [00:46:15.080] for telling the world this conclusion. I [00:46:17.520] think we’re we’re it’s like [00:46:19.080] >> We’re close. [00:46:19.760] >> Fait accompli basically. Like it’s going [00:46:21.200] to get to that point relatively soon. If [00:46:23.800] we get to that point and you get [00:46:24.960] personally invited in to wherever [00:46:26.840] they’re keeping the these materials and [00:46:28.120] you get to see every single file that [00:46:29.440] exists and as you go through those files [00:46:31.520] you realize that [00:46:34.200] a lot of what you’ve been told is not [00:46:35.440] true because there’s other explanations. [00:46:38.000] How would it like fundamentally change [00:46:39.720] the way that you see the world? [00:46:42.680] Some of some of the UAP we’ve seen like [00:46:44.600] take the famous everybody knows the Tic [00:46:46.280] Tac UFO, right? The Commander David [00:46:48.800] Fravor, the Navy fighter pilot, [00:46:50.080] interacted with in 2004, right? [00:46:52.080] >> I’ll put that on the screen for anyone [00:46:53.080] that hasn’t seen it. Great. And so take [00:46:55.680] that take that UAP for example. [00:46:58.160] Multiple data collection systems and [00:47:00.200] Commander David Fravor, a legend in the [00:47:02.640] in the Navy, Top Gun guy, commander of [00:47:05.720] an entire naval strike group, right? [00:47:07.960] Like total badass, legend legend of a [00:47:11.080] guy. [00:47:12.080] He sees this with his own eyes and a [00:47:14.000] bunch of data collection systems [00:47:15.760] captured data confirming it’s real. This [00:47:17.600] UAP went from hovering above the ocean [00:47:20.640] to instantly being at 80,000 ft which is [00:47:23.000] the entrance to space, right? And it did [00:47:25.240] that maneuver all afternoon. [00:47:28.160] The amount of energy required to do that [00:47:30.400] is so bonkers. [00:47:33.000] It’s we do not humans do No human beings [00:47:35.400] have the ability to create that must [00:47:37.000] that much energy, right? In a localized [00:47:38.960] area for for an aircraft. [00:47:41.640] And and so [00:47:43.440] to answer your question, if we find out [00:47:46.000] you know [00:47:47.040] the unthinkable, that this is not [00:47:48.960] non-human intelligent life, that some [00:47:51.240] humans have figured out how to crack [00:47:52.960] that technology [00:47:54.560] and did it as recent as 2004 when the [00:47:56.720] Tic Tac incident happened. [00:47:58.560] That would [00:48:00.960] be even more mind-blowing than [00:48:04.280] accepting that life from elsewhere is [00:48:06.840] here and has been here a long time [00:48:07.800] because that would mean that some some [00:48:09.840] group of humans leapfrogged the rest of [00:48:12.920] all of humanity technologically by [00:48:15.520] thousands of years and then seemingly [00:48:18.080] did nothing with that. Or it could be [00:48:20.160] something else. That’s the nature of [00:48:22.080] unusual things. They become great [00:48:23.400] stories. So I I think in the case of the [00:48:25.240] Tic Tac incident, again, I’m what I’m [00:48:26.800] trying to do is interrogate this from [00:48:29.320] all angles. Is could it have been [00:48:31.360] something else? [00:48:33.080] Could it be Any any isolated event like [00:48:35.480] that you could do the whole could it be [00:48:37.440] this, could it be that thing, but it’s [00:48:38.720] the it’s the you got to take a step back [00:48:40.080] and look at this the collective. It’s [00:48:42.080] one report like that after another from [00:48:44.720] credible people since World War II. [00:48:48.040] You know, during World War II pilots [00:48:49.280] were seeing what they called the Foo [00:48:50.840] Fighters, like these orbs that would [00:48:53.240] move alongside uh our our fighter jets, [00:48:56.880] right? Like they would like they would [00:48:58.600] move in in line with them. [00:49:00.560] Um And now we have we have people on [00:49:03.080] ships seeing these things enter the [00:49:05.320] water and then moving at, you know, [00:49:07.800] Impossible speeds. [00:49:08.880] >> knots or something, which no no human [00:49:12.000] being could could do that. [00:49:12.880] >> as I know, our fastest submarines go [00:49:14.120] like 50 miles an hour. These things are [00:49:16.040] going hundreds of miles an hour under [00:49:17.480] the ocean. So these craft are [00:49:19.120] transmedium. They’re seen in space, [00:49:21.360] they’re seen in the air, they’re seen [00:49:23.080] underwater. [00:49:24.680] There’s just too much activity to to [00:49:26.760] ignore. Yeah, and and that would be a [00:49:28.560] hard one to say, “Well, you know, is [00:49:30.200] there some sonar thing that makes you [00:49:32.280] think something is doing that?” But it’s [00:49:34.480] seen enough times under enough different [00:49:36.480] conditions that we just have to accept [00:49:38.760] it as real. Is there a reason why this [00:49:41.320] hasn’t been captured on like an iPhone? [00:49:43.960] When like in 4K? There’s been a lot of [00:49:46.160] stuff captured on phones and video [00:49:48.120] cameras. In in that scene in the Age of [00:49:50.200] Disclosure I mentioned where Hal and [00:49:51.520] some of the other people break down how [00:49:53.000] these things are working and they [00:49:54.200] describe that they’re creating a a warp [00:49:55.840] bubble around the craft. That warp [00:49:57.760] bubble also makes it very hard to get a [00:50:00.320] clear video of something cuz you’re [00:50:02.360] you’re taking a photo or a video [00:50:04.720] through [00:50:05.640] essentially a space-time barrier, you [00:50:07.320] know? [00:50:07.840] >> barrier. [00:50:08.400] >> the equivalent of taking pictures of [00:50:11.160] trying to take video of like koi fish in [00:50:13.480] a pond from above the water. It’s going [00:50:14.920] to look all distorted cuz you’re going [00:50:16.240] through the water. [00:50:17.440] If you’re if you’re trying to video or [00:50:19.160] take a photo through a [00:50:20.600] this bubble, it makes it pretty hard. [00:50:22.320] And then you end up with the kind of [00:50:23.160] videos we we see. [00:50:25.200] Um you’ll probably be familiar with this [00:50:26.600] NASA report that they produced on UAPs, [00:50:29.360] independent study team report where they [00:50:31.400] they essentially say that they don’t [00:50:32.560] believe that this [00:50:34.520] these UAPs are are aliens. Why would [00:50:37.560] NASA be lying? Like all these big [00:50:39.640] bureaucracies, there’s people who are [00:50:41.160] aware of the truth and then there’s [00:50:42.400] people who [00:50:44.040] have the truth kept from them. Or, you [00:50:45.640] know, one of the people I interviewed [00:50:47.320] was Mike Mike Gold who was on the UAP uh [00:50:50.200] the NASA UAP task force. And he talked [00:50:53.160] about um how that [00:50:56.680] effort was was was flawed from the [00:50:59.200] start. They didn’t want to have a result [00:51:01.720] that said NASA has all this information [00:51:03.480] that they’ve kept from the public. They [00:51:05.120] wanted the result that that they landed [00:51:07.000] on, which is there’s nothing to see [00:51:08.280] here. And they were really discouraged [00:51:10.200] from um for example, the uh that that [00:51:13.560] image of a triangle [00:51:15.360] what clearly appears to be a triangle [00:51:16.520] craft over the moon, um [00:51:18.880] they were told not to not to include [00:51:21.320] that in their report. [00:51:23.240] Like they were they they they were not [00:51:25.240] set up to tell the world the truth. [00:51:28.360] There should be a button just down below [00:51:30.240] here. And if it says subscribe, you’re [00:51:32.200] already subscribed. If it says subscribe [00:51:34.120] bar, that means you’re not yet. And if [00:51:36.320] you’re not subscribed, please could you [00:51:37.400] do us a favor and hit that button. It [00:51:38.680] helps to show more than you know. And [00:51:40.400] according to the algorithm, you’re [00:51:41.840] someone that watches our show, but you [00:51:43.440] haven’t yet hit that button. Thank you [00:51:44.680] so much. [00:51:46.520] In your view, is it possible that aliens [00:51:50.440] aren’t [00:51:51.520] aren’t real? Is it possible? [00:51:54.600] Possible. [00:51:55.240] >> I think I’m missing the question. [00:51:57.320] So, you think it’s impossible? [00:51:58.840] >> Yeah, using the term alien, you know, [00:52:00.720] has a certain connotation about it. So, [00:52:02.920] we can certainly say, I mean, that the [00:52:04.480] evidence is absolutely clear that there [00:52:06.280] is some form of life with advanced [00:52:08.920] technology. You know, if you want to [00:52:10.720] say, “Well, what can I prove about about [00:52:13.080] it?” Well, that those are still unknowns [00:52:15.480] that we’re trying to suss out. [00:52:18.360] I got access at a very high to a very [00:52:20.960] high level of the government, the [00:52:22.320] military intelligence community. And [00:52:23.800] there were a lot of people who talked to [00:52:24.880] me off the record that wouldn’t go on [00:52:26.200] camera. There were a lot of people who [00:52:29.120] couldn’t tell me about classified [00:52:30.840] information. I didn’t want to know [00:52:31.840] classified information. [00:52:33.200] But, they all made it very clear, um, [00:52:36.360] not just on camera, but off the record, [00:52:38.920] that there that there is evidence at a [00:52:40.920] classified level that is clear as day, [00:52:43.520] like some video taken when like the [00:52:45.800] bubble is turned off and you can see a [00:52:48.360] a craft of non-human origin clear as [00:52:50.200] day. And there is evidence of the [00:52:53.000] technology that’s been recovered and of [00:52:55.080] these bodies. And when you have when if [00:52:56.800] you put yourself in my shoes, when you [00:52:58.080] have so many senior people across the [00:53:00.320] military, government intelligence [00:53:01.760] community telling you this, it’s it’s [00:53:03.640] really just impossible to ignore it, [00:53:05.080] especially when most of them aren’t even [00:53:06.360] friends. They’re not like ideologically [00:53:08.640] aligned or politically aligned. They’re [00:53:10.640] all just different groups of people. I’m [00:53:12.880] less compelled by eyewitnesses. This is [00:53:14.400] the problem cuz you know, I’m such a big [00:53:15.920] true crime fan. [00:53:17.091] >> [laughter] [00:53:17.480] >> I hear about all the bloody cases where [00:53:18.760] eyewitnesses said this and then they [00:53:20.120] find out the serial killer wasn’t that [00:53:21.600] person or that thing didn’t happen. So, [00:53:23.800] and I also just have my own experiences [00:53:25.200] of like thinking I saw things when I was [00:53:26.680] younger. Here’s an interesting thing you [00:53:28.000] just made me think of. So, in the film, [00:53:30.360] uh, Rubio and General Jim Clapper, two [00:53:32.760] people who are completely ideologically [00:53:35.160] and politically opposed to each other, [00:53:37.400] made the same [00:53:38.960] really intelligent point. [00:53:41.760] And they both have knowledge at a a [00:53:43.840] classified level of the situation. [00:53:46.040] They both said [00:53:47.440] a problem we [00:53:49.000] as humans have [00:53:50.560] is that there’s something in the human [00:53:52.800] psyche that says, I cannot wrap my head [00:53:55.680] around or prepare for things I haven’t [00:53:58.480] seen or experienced, right? And time and [00:54:01.320] time again throughout history [00:54:03.320] that has proven to be like a human flaw, [00:54:05.880] right? Rubio goes on to say that the [00:54:08.560] greatest intelligence failures in US [00:54:10.400] history [00:54:11.640] come from a lack of imagination. And he [00:54:13.520] cites a few examples. He says, we never [00:54:16.200] would have imagined the Japanese could [00:54:19.480] figure out how to get torpedoes through [00:54:20.640] the straits and hit us at Pearl Harbor [00:54:22.760] until they did. Um he says we never [00:54:25.200] would have imagined terrorists would fly [00:54:27.480] to the homeland, learn to fly commercial [00:54:30.200] planes and then use them in a terrorist [00:54:31.960] attack until they did, right? Um he says [00:54:34.800] some other examples, too. But time and [00:54:36.400] time again, not wrapping our head around [00:54:38.560] a set of circumstances that and using [00:54:40.240] our imagination to think about what [00:54:41.920] might happen or what might be happening [00:54:44.040] has it’s bit us in the ass. And he he [00:54:46.120] ends his line of thought by saying lack [00:54:48.520] of imagination leads to strategic [00:54:50.160] surprise like Pearl Harbor, like 9/11. [00:54:52.480] And sometimes strategic surprise changes [00:54:54.520] the course of history. Mhm. And so [00:54:57.360] you know, him and and other people I [00:54:58.960] interviewed think it’s really important [00:55:00.680] to get ahead of this as opposed to [00:55:02.120] waiting for something to happen. As [00:55:03.600] opposed to waiting for, you know, to [00:55:05.160] find out the hard way that China, you [00:55:07.080] know, cracked this technology before us [00:55:08.600] and used it as in an act of war or uh [00:55:12.320] non-human intelligent life uh does [00:55:14.600] something unpredictable and then all of [00:55:16.600] a sudden the US government’s on its [00:55:18.040] heels and so are other governments on [00:55:20.200] their heels explaining to the public [00:55:21.720] what they’ve known for a long time. I [00:55:23.400] I’ve often heard that the reason why [00:55:24.680] they don’t tell the general public that [00:55:26.360] these things exist is because the [00:55:27.680] general public aren’t ready for this [00:55:29.880] information. [00:55:31.880] Is that an argument? I’ve not really [00:55:33.520] heard you guys say that. [00:55:34.520] >> Yeah, no, people there are people [00:55:35.880] involved in [00:55:37.600] gatekeeping this information that don’t [00:55:39.040] think the public can handle the truth. [00:55:40.840] Uh you know, Hal recently told me that [00:55:42.600] people in the legacy program are [00:55:43.880] pointing to the Age of Disclosure and [00:55:45.320] saying, “Look, this film reveals a lot [00:55:47.680] and people aren’t losing their you [00:55:50.000] know? People aren’t jumping out of [00:55:51.120] windows. It’s not causing chaos in [00:55:52.680] society.” Like the public can handle the [00:55:55.320] base facts. Of all the things you’ve [00:55:57.280] heard, Dan, what is the What was the [00:55:59.000] most compelling story or anecdote that [00:56:00.840] you heard that convinced you? [00:56:02.880] It was really just the sheer number of [00:56:05.800] very high-level military government [00:56:07.720] intelligence officials who were telling [00:56:09.440] me in in private settings to my face, [00:56:12.560] you know, [00:56:13.640] that at a classified level they know [00:56:16.640] with absolute certainty this is real. [00:56:18.720] But if you had to pick one story? Oh, I [00:56:20.480] mean, it’s really it’s really [00:56:22.400] it wasn’t one It really wasn’t one thing [00:56:24.000] for me. It was like it was the overall. [00:56:26.640] It’s like, for example, I I interviewed [00:56:28.120] Rubio and Gillibrand Senator Gillibrand [00:56:29.800] on the same day. They both participated [00:56:32.240] in the film and did lengthy interviews [00:56:34.040] with me. And both looked me in the face [00:56:36.000] and told me they thought this was the [00:56:37.080] most important documentary that’s ever [00:56:38.480] been made. And that this was really [00:56:40.680] important to bring this information out [00:56:42.360] in a thoughtful way to the public and [00:56:44.200] make them aware of what’s happening. You [00:56:46.080] You can’t like unhear stuff like that, [00:56:47.840] you know? [00:56:48.920] Um [00:56:49.520] and it makes it makes an impact on you. [00:56:51.760] What about you, Hal? What was the most [00:56:53.040] persuasive thing that you [00:56:55.080] that tipped you over the edge from a, [00:56:56.840] you know, maybe being agnostic to [00:56:58.000] believing that there are [00:56:59.720] non-human intelligent life amongst us? [00:57:03.120] Well, it’s looking at the technology, [00:57:05.640] which is so advanced, [00:57:07.920] that I’m that I’m essentially certain [00:57:10.240] that no [00:57:11.720] uh us or our adversaries could have made [00:57:14.640] it. [00:57:15.560] So, somebody actually made it and it has [00:57:18.240] to be somebody who knows a lot more [00:57:20.120] about physics than we do. [00:57:22.800] I mean, there’s there’s there’s nowhere [00:57:24.680] to go but to say, “Okay, there’s [00:57:26.280] somebody who is way beyond [00:57:29.800] humans to develop that kind of [00:57:32.040] technology and display it. Of all the [00:57:34.200] evidence that’s been released and all of [00:57:35.920] the rumors and videos and you know, [00:57:37.880] going back to the crop fields that we [00:57:39.520] used to hear about many years ago, [00:57:41.520] presumably there’s lots of this stuff [00:57:43.040] that you don’t believe. [00:57:44.880] That you think is nonsense. [00:57:46.240] >> definitely there’s definitely [00:57:47.600] >> tons of them. [00:57:48.640] >> of reports that are that when you look [00:57:50.880] into them seem like for sure. [00:57:54.320] Because you know, one of the things [00:57:55.720] people often say is that alien encounter [00:57:57.120] descriptions perfectly match the pop [00:57:58.840] culture of that era. [00:58:00.880] So, people saw flying saucers in the in [00:58:02.520] the 1950s after sci-fi movies [00:58:04.280] popularized them and gray aliens in the [00:58:06.600] 1980s after books like Communion [00:58:10.000] popularized them. And this kind of [00:58:11.720] suggests that [00:58:13.160] sightings are born from human [00:58:14.320] imagination versus [00:58:16.600] Well, I I think I and I think that’s a [00:58:18.400] reasonable uh [00:58:20.480] place to come to. I think I think a lot [00:58:22.560] of the reports that we get, [00:58:24.880] you know, we can generally set aside as [00:58:26.800] being, you know, just [00:58:28.640] manufactured by humans who get caught up [00:58:31.000] in the sort of [00:58:32.440] a give and take on social media and so [00:58:34.640] on. [00:58:35.440] But, nonetheless, when you really zero [00:58:38.280] in on actual evidence of technologies [00:58:41.440] and evidence of bodies, [00:58:43.480] there you can’t just say it’s uh [00:58:46.760] you know, it’s just social contagion. [00:58:48.600] >> Yeah, when I think about the [00:58:49.360] technologies, when I watch like the Tic [00:58:50.880] Tac video, Mhm. it’s kind of blurry. I [00:58:52.920] don’t really know what I’m looking at. [00:58:54.680] Like there’s this thing moving around on [00:58:56.000] the screen that’s like black and white, [00:58:57.640] but I don’t really know what I’m looking [00:58:59.120] at. And I think this has always been the [00:59:00.680] struggle with it is we’re so used to [00:59:02.240] consuming content in high definition [00:59:05.320] that we can clearly and it it appears to [00:59:07.240] be the case that so many of these UAP [00:59:09.160] videos are like in the distance and kind [00:59:10.960] of blurry and vague. [00:59:12.880] So, it makes them harder to believe. And [00:59:15.160] I just I think we’re all longing for [00:59:16.680] like a solid video. You talked about [00:59:18.960] them going in and out of the water. [00:59:20.800] How come someone’s not got a You got If [00:59:22.560] someone like falls over and we we we [00:59:24.240] capture it all on camera these days. [00:59:26.040] CCTV cameras on every high street. Why [00:59:28.360] is there no like a solid video of [00:59:30.600] something going in the water and out of [00:59:32.320] the water? [00:59:32.680] >> Look, multiple people said on camera [00:59:35.440] they have seen with their own eyes [00:59:37.280] classified videos that are indisputable. [00:59:40.600] Um and some of them told me specifics [00:59:42.080] like that story I told you that the [00:59:43.480] first video Jay Stratton was shown when [00:59:45.440] he went down this rabbit hole. It was a [00:59:46.840] triangle craft hovering over a nuclear [00:59:48.960] weapon site. Uh Air Force security [00:59:51.120] guards had filmed it on a little VHS [00:59:52.720] camera that they had. It was It was [00:59:54.240] hovering long enough for them to do [00:59:55.320] that. You know, that kind of evidence [00:59:56.960] exists, but it’s just still classified. [00:59:58.920] Will it be coming out, do you think? I I [01:00:00.480] I hope so. I I I know this process is [01:00:02.560] playing out right now where people like [01:00:04.320] like Jay Stratton are helping the [01:00:05.760] administration find where the evidence [01:00:08.280] exists so they can get their hands on it [01:00:10.600] and then determine whether it can safely [01:00:12.880] be declassified. Like that process is [01:00:14.680] definitely playing out right now. Do you [01:00:16.040] think Do you trust the Trump [01:00:17.320] administration to release all of the [01:00:19.080] available information? 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[01:02:05.200] If it is released, if all the [01:02:06.440] information that you’ve heard from your [01:02:07.960] witnesses is released, if they release, [01:02:10.480] you know, craft alien craft, and they [01:02:12.760] release alien bodies and all of these [01:02:14.480] things, how do you imagine the world [01:02:16.560] would be different? I think it will lead [01:02:20.080] to a giant technology boom. I think once [01:02:24.560] we’re told, “Hey, there’s this [01:02:25.640] technology that exists that could [01:02:27.360] revolutionize the way we live, you know, [01:02:29.640] it could lead to anti-gravity [01:02:31.040] technology. It could lead to [01:02:32.880] solve new energy sources, solve the [01:02:34.920] energy crisis overnight, right?” Could [01:02:37.200] lead to interstellar travel and going [01:02:39.560] farther out, you know. And I think it’d [01:02:41.600] have a great psychological effect uh [01:02:43.760] because, you know, you suddenly [01:02:46.120] uh you go from the point of saying, [01:02:47.960] “Well, maybe we’re the only intelligent [01:02:49.920] species in the universe.” And then you [01:02:51.760] suddenly get the idea that [01:02:53.960] uh this is a universe full of life. [01:02:56.320] >> What does that mean for religion? [01:02:58.280] I think all dogmas will just apply to [01:03:00.160] it, you know. And I think that the [01:03:01.320] Vatican’s already gotten ahead of it and [01:03:03.280] said, you know, they put out a message a [01:03:05.120] couple years ago that basically the the [01:03:07.400] the gist of it was, you know, God’s [01:03:09.640] God’s universe and God’s work is vast [01:03:11.600] and, you know, [01:03:12.640] >> and you couldn’t you couldn’t uh [01:03:15.280] you know, say that he he wouldn’t have [01:03:17.040] the ability to do that. I mean [01:03:18.680] >> Yeah. [01:03:20.080] So I I I I I I I [01:03:20.960] >> from a religious standpoint [01:03:23.200] and certainly in the case of the [01:03:24.600] Catholic Church [01:03:26.080] they’ve had uh very positive views about [01:03:30.160] population being throughout Yeah. And [01:03:32.480] there’s nothing really at least from the [01:03:34.440] Catholic Church’s perspective, there’s [01:03:36.040] nothing that counters the you know it [01:03:38.840] does that doesn’t allow you to wrap your [01:03:40.160] head around the fact that there’s other [01:03:41.280] life out there, you know? Are you guys [01:03:43.000] religious? Not like overly religious, [01:03:44.960] but like you know I my my my mom’s Irish [01:03:47.440] and and grew up going to Catholic school [01:03:49.440] and I you know I went to a CCD and you [01:03:51.560] know Sunday school is the it’s called a [01:03:53.680] CCD where I grew up. [01:03:55.640] Um but uh [01:03:56.240] >> in God? I do. I do. Do you believe in I [01:03:58.560] do too. Yeah. I’m a practicing Catholic, [01:04:00.880] so So would that mean that you believe [01:04:02.400] God has made all of these [01:04:04.480] aliens as well? That’s my that’s what my [01:04:07.000] worldview is. [01:04:07.600] >> Yeah, I would think that I couldn’t say [01:04:09.040] that’s not the case. [01:04:10.840] But you know, as a scientist I can’t [01:04:12.400] prove that that it is the case, but [01:04:15.320] you know, just just on the statistics of [01:04:17.200] it it’s pretty likely. [01:04:20.320] You know, an interesting thing happening [01:04:22.080] right now Steven too is these people who [01:04:24.040] have been gatekeeping the truth. [01:04:26.720] Um a lot of them are afraid to come [01:04:28.520] forward and tell the White House what [01:04:30.400] they know because they they think [01:04:31.520] they’re going to be villainized. They [01:04:32.720] they think the optics around this are [01:04:36.360] such that like if someone’s been [01:04:38.200] covering this up, they’re they’re [01:04:40.080] they’re they’re the villain of the [01:04:41.120] story, right? And so [01:04:43.760] um the White House and the Director of [01:04:46.040] National Intelligence and the Department [01:04:49.480] of War realized this and so in the last [01:04:52.000] couple of weeks they’ve been messaging [01:04:53.560] out to the military and the intelligence [01:04:54.840] community [01:04:56.160] that this is not a witch hunt, it’s not [01:04:57.800] an endeavor to punish anyone. They want [01:05:00.480] to encourage people to come forward, [01:05:01.880] they assure them there will be no no [01:05:03.280] punishment uh for being involved in [01:05:05.360] gatekeeping this. They just want to [01:05:06.600] learn the truth and find out where the [01:05:08.440] real evidence sits. So that’s another [01:05:10.360] thing that’s playing out right now that [01:05:12.120] I think if it gets out there enough, uh [01:05:14.360] it will lead to more people coming [01:05:15.840] forward with that [01:05:17.280] that evidence we all want to see. Yep. [01:05:20.040] Earlier on we you talked about how some [01:05:22.120] people feel like their lives are at risk [01:05:24.160] because of what they know. [01:05:26.120] Has there been any instance of anyone [01:05:27.600] being punished for saying anything in [01:05:28.960] this regard? [01:05:30.800] Well, certainly having having their [01:05:32.880] clearances pulled or losing their up [01:05:36.040] opportunities for advancement, uh [01:05:39.000] we we’ve heard stories like that from [01:05:41.600] from several people in the intelligence [01:05:43.400] community. Is there any Is there anyone [01:05:44.240] you can name that has said that they [01:05:46.240] were threatened or punished or in some [01:05:49.480] form because of what they know? [01:05:51.240] >> the the number one whistleblower for for [01:05:53.400] many people has been David Grusch. [01:05:55.800] And so he has uh outlined the various [01:05:59.520] steps taken against him to [01:06:02.640] basically ruin his career significantly [01:06:05.400] enough that he went to the Inspector [01:06:07.240] General of the intelligence community [01:06:10.080] and said, [01:06:11.240] “I’m being punished, shoved aside, [01:06:14.000] losing clearances, and so on because I [01:06:16.480] came out with this data.” And they said, [01:06:18.400] “Well, [01:06:19.240] what you provided us is, you know, [01:06:21.000] serious, worthy of consideration.” [01:06:23.200] >> And I think a lot of people have had [01:06:24.280] their lives threatened. Um I’m not [01:06:26.960] certain if if anyone has been killed, um [01:06:30.360] but I know people have had their lives [01:06:32.000] threatened. Yeah. [01:06:34.320] And who’s threatening them? [01:06:36.440] People that are involved um [01:06:39.000] in [01:06:40.120] this this program, referred to as the [01:06:42.440] legacy program. Who think that the [01:06:44.240] evidence should not ever come out. [01:06:47.360] This legacy program. So this is a [01:06:49.480] program run within the US government? [01:06:53.320] To it. US government [01:06:54.600] >> Elements of elements of it, uh and also [01:06:57.760] defense contractors. [01:06:59.200] >> And you think the legacy program knows [01:07:02.000] the truth on this regard? [01:07:03.920] Yes, because they have the first-hand [01:07:06.360] evidence of the crash materials and the [01:07:09.240] bodies. [01:07:11.200] There’s 80 years of data that this [01:07:14.800] this [01:07:15.640] group has. [01:07:17.320] And they haven’t released or leaked that [01:07:19.640] data for the last 80 years. [01:07:21.800] There’d be no advantage. No one’s hacked [01:07:23.840] it. This This program is the epitome of [01:07:26.960] a special access program. I think this [01:07:28.560] program is as off the grid as it it [01:07:30.640] could possibly be. [01:07:32.120] It almost seems like there’s nothing [01:07:33.240] that eventually hasn’t come to come to [01:07:35.120] light that the government have done. [01:07:36.840] Like I’ve sat here and interviewed a lot [01:07:37.920] of CIA spies [01:07:39.480] who’ve told me the history of the CIA [01:07:41.040] and this program that lasted for 12 [01:07:42.920] years and then it comes out and this [01:07:44.360] program and I mean even some of the [01:07:46.080] stuff that I’ve heard you talk about how [01:07:47.480] around um [01:07:48.920] what’s it called? Remote viewing. Remote [01:07:50.600] viewing. Remote viewing. Yeah. That was [01:07:52.240] that CIA project? That was CIA. What is [01:07:54.680] remote viewing? Remote viewing, well, [01:07:56.880] the the the CIA suddenly got concerned [01:07:59.520] because they saw that the the Soviets [01:08:01.400] were spending millions of dollars at [01:08:03.480] some of their best institutes to [01:08:05.120] investigate the possible use of quote [01:08:07.720] ESP. What’s ESP? Psychic ability. [01:08:10.480] >> Yeah. Psychic abilities, extrasensory [01:08:12.480] perception. [01:08:14.000] And so as it turns out I was at Stanford [01:08:16.960] Research Institute and they saw my [01:08:19.880] background. They they came to me and [01:08:21.600] said, you know, [01:08:22.960] “We’d like for you to to look into this. [01:08:24.640] Is there anything to this? I mean no um [01:08:27.000] scientist in America even believes there [01:08:29.160] is such thing as ESP.” Who came to you? [01:08:32.040] CIA. [01:08:33.200] This is This is in the ’70s. [01:08:34.440] >> Yeah. The CIA [01:08:35.200] >> Back in the ’70s. [01:08:36.359] >> approached you in the ’70s and asked you [01:08:38.080] to investigate remote viewing. That’s [01:08:39.720] right. And so they asked me to set up a [01:08:42.520] small program and 50 or 60 K or [01:08:45.480] whatever. They said, you know, “We hope [01:08:47.240] you’ll find this is all nonsense. We can [01:08:48.920] forget about it. We don’t have to worry [01:08:50.720] about it.” [01:08:51.799] And it grew into, you know, more than a [01:08:53.960] two-decade program, millions of dollars. [01:08:56.920] Stargate is [01:08:58.400] the label for it that most people know [01:08:59.920] about because by now most of the [01:09:02.000] information in the program came out. And [01:09:04.480] basically it we just we just found that [01:09:07.000] the people [01:09:08.920] essentially just like you have artistic [01:09:11.480] ability or athletic ability or whatever, [01:09:14.920] musical ability. [01:09:16.520] Well, we found out that remote viewing, [01:09:18.359] this ability to sit in a location and [01:09:22.319] pick up information from some place far [01:09:24.720] away uh is a talent that many people [01:09:28.040] could demonstrate. And so we ended up [01:09:31.520] actually training Army intelligence [01:09:34.040] officers at the Army Intelligence and [01:09:35.960] Security Command at Fort Meade [01:09:38.560] how to do this. And so So wait, let me [01:09:40.520] just simplify this for the audience that [01:09:41.880] might not fully understand what we’re [01:09:44.000] talking about. So remote viewing is the [01:09:45.480] idea that I could sit here in London [01:09:46.920] where we are now and I could be trained [01:09:49.720] to see what was going on in another part [01:09:52.799] of the world. [01:09:53.440] >> your mind’s eye go to a remote location. [01:09:56.200] >> I’ll give you [clears throat] a specific [01:09:57.360] example. A Soviet plane that CIA wanted [01:10:01.040] to get hold of went down somewhere in [01:10:03.400] Africa. [01:10:04.640] And they didn’t they didn’t know where [01:10:06.040] because the pilot had bailed out and it [01:10:08.360] just went on until it ran out of gas. So [01:10:11.200] we got two of our quote best remote [01:10:13.440] viewers, one that worked for the Air [01:10:15.480] Force and one that worked for my [01:10:17.200] organization to say, “Okay, here’s a map [01:10:20.240] of Africa. Where’s that damn plane? We [01:10:22.240] got to go in and get it.” [01:10:24.000] And they put an X on the map that was in [01:10:26.840] 3 miles of where the plane went down out [01:10:28.760] of the hundreds of thousands of square [01:10:30.320] miles. And so the CIA went and it got [01:10:32.680] the plane. So I mean it was, you know, [01:10:34.640] how do they do that? Well, By the way, [01:10:36.520] there’s an audio recording of President [01:10:38.000] Jimmy Carter telling that story. [01:10:39.440] >> Yeah. [01:10:41.000] Hm. Post post [clears throat] [01:10:42.040] presidency. [01:10:43.160] Maybe we should play that. [01:10:45.080] One time we had a a small plane go down [01:10:48.040] somewhere in Africa. We were not able to [01:10:51.160] find it by surveillance from our [01:10:54.400] satellites. So the director of the CIA, [01:10:57.920] he was also director of all the [01:10:59.160] intelligence agencies, [01:11:01.200] heard about a uh [01:11:03.240] a woman in California that uh was a [01:11:06.640] medium. And he uh contacted her, and she [01:11:11.440] gave him the [01:11:14.520] latitude and longitude of the plane’s [01:11:17.720] whereabouts. And the next time one of [01:11:19.880] our space satellites went over that [01:11:22.960] area, we located the plane where she [01:11:24.600] said it was. Again, this sounds like [01:11:26.960] it’s impossible. Sounds like I give It [01:11:29.280] sounds completely bananas. It sounds [01:11:30.880] like something out of an X-Men comic [01:11:32.240] book. It sounds crazy. But Well, I was [01:11:35.520] okay. It is You want to be really [01:11:37.360] practical about it. Uh [01:11:39.480] you know, they they often our skeptics [01:11:41.680] would say, “Well, if they’re so psychic, [01:11:43.360] why aren’t they rich? Why aren’t they in [01:11:44.560] the stock market or whatever?” [01:11:47.000] So, we set up a little program on on a [01:11:49.240] challenge to predict silver futures. To [01:11:52.280] predict to predict what? Silver futures. [01:11:54.000] >> Just the value of silver? The value of [01:11:55.560] silver silver on a daily basis was it [01:11:57.720] going to go up or go down? [01:12:00.240] So, we had somebody said, “Okay, I I [01:12:02.240] will if you’ll set up a little program [01:12:04.360] like that for 30 days, I’ll bet on what [01:12:06.920] your quote remote viewers say, [01:12:09.440] and I’ll put the money in, and I’ll give [01:12:11.680] you 10% of what I make.” So, I said, [01:12:13.200] “Okay, fine.” Now, long story short, uh [01:12:16.480] made um [01:12:18.320] $260, 000 [01 : 12 : 19.880] in t h e 30 d a ys . W e g o t o u r 10 [01 : 12 : 23.000]$ 26,000. [01:12:24.800] So, people could actually [01:12:27.040] in this case even look into the future a [01:12:29.920] day and [01:12:32.280] generate a description of what they were [01:12:34.240] going to see and handle the following [01:12:35.920] day. Presumably not everybody. How many [01:12:38.000] people did you have [01:12:39.440] do that? [01:12:39.960] >> We had [01:12:41.240] uh seven in that experiment. [01:12:42.840] >> And how many of them were successful in [01:12:44.200] generating [01:12:44.680] >> Six of the seven [01:12:46.480] uh generated really good data. So, were [01:12:48.400] those six of people now rich? [01:12:51.800] Well, I don’t I don’t know. Uh some of [01:12:53.240] them may may have followed up. They [01:12:55.560] don’t Why were those six people picked? [01:12:58.520] Since we had learned that sort of [01:13:00.480] anybody can do this, uh [01:13:02.680] we were actually raising money for a [01:13:05.080] school that was being put together. So, [01:13:08.320] I just went to the board of directors [01:13:09.880] and said, “Okay, I’m going to give you a [01:13:11.080] crash course over the weekend in {quote} [01:13:13.880] remote viewing of the type we train [01:13:16.000] intelligence officers to do.” [01:13:18.280] And [01:13:19.400] so, you’re going to be it. [01:13:21.560] So, you just it was the board of The [01:13:23.280] school. [01:13:23.600] >> The board board of the school. Okay. [01:13:25.920] They all knew what I did for a living [01:13:27.520] and so This program Stargate got [01:13:30.360] so much [01:13:31.520] actionable intelligence from the remote [01:13:33.120] viewers that Hal started briefing at the [01:13:35.760] time the director of the CIA on a [01:13:37.520] regular basis. [01:13:38.400] >> have briefed all the way up to Bill [01:13:39.920] Casey, the director of the CIA. So, does [01:13:42.440] it still exist, this program? [01:13:44.320] In any capacity? Uh remote viewing? If [01:13:46.880] it does, you wouldn’t hear about it. [01:13:48.880] Why? [01:13:50.520] Because [01:13:52.480] it’d be a best black highly classified [01:13:54.520] program. Why? [01:13:56.200] Because we don’t want our adversaries to [01:13:57.760] know how we might be getting access to [01:14:00.360] their data. You just told us. [01:14:02.840] But people can not believe that, and [01:14:04.800] that’s fine. But aren’t you under some [01:14:06.760] sort of contract? [01:14:08.160] Well, as it turns out, the CIA and and [01:14:10.560] DIA, also went to the DIA, that program [01:14:13.520] finally got declassified [01:14:16.040] at the level that was operating at, and [01:14:18.240] that you can go to the CIA reading room [01:14:21.080] and you can get all the documents. All [01:14:22.960] of So, your work was originally [01:14:25.080] classified? Oh, it was originally top [01:14:27.120] secret special access program. Yeah. [01:14:31.240] There’s a part of me that goes, “Listen, [01:14:32.600] if people could do remote viewing and [01:14:34.840] see, you know, into other parts of the [01:14:37.000] world or predict the things that you’re [01:14:38.920] saying, [01:14:40.400] I mean, [01:14:41.960] if if if it was trainable, [01:14:44.240] everything the life as we know it would [01:14:47.120] be completely flipped on its head. [01:14:49.160] >> I think it’s unreasonable to think that [01:14:51.720] when Stargate became public, the US [01:14:53.880] government stopped [01:14:57.360] remote viewing. I mean, I wouldn’t stop [01:14:59.000] if I was the US government. If if it [01:15:00.440] worked, I wouldn’t stop. [01:15:01.360] >> it just went underground, moved to a [01:15:02.760] different agency. [01:15:03.600] >> Yeah, went underground. [01:15:05.440] So you were training people to do it, [01:15:06.800] though. [01:15:07.880] Yeah. We Well, we had Yeah, we had we [01:15:09.960] had people that we trained. So train me. [01:15:13.656] >> [laughter] [01:15:13.800] >> Yeah. How do you train me? Well, now a [01:15:16.440] number of the uh military intelligence [01:15:18.520] officers that we trained have now left [01:15:20.880] the military, and they do have training [01:15:23.440] courses. [01:15:24.800] Do you Do you believe it? [01:15:26.280] I do. At first, I thought it just [01:15:28.360] sounded too much like something in a [01:15:29.720] comic book, right? But [01:15:32.320] the more I first read about Stargate in [01:15:35.200] the declassified documents, started to [01:15:36.920] realize how serious the government took [01:15:38.600] it, and the more I learned about it [01:15:41.080] through Hal, and then eventually [01:15:43.960] um I really don’t want to get into the [01:15:45.040] details of this, but eventually [01:15:47.160] um I got connected with someone who has [01:15:49.440] done remote viewing for the government, [01:15:50.800] and they did a demonstration for me that [01:15:53.080] blew my mind. [01:15:54.440] Cuz you would think if anyone was [01:15:55.840] capable of doing remote viewing, they [01:15:57.680] could go on the internet and make one [01:16:00.480] prediction or do one video that would [01:16:02.400] be, you know, proven to be true, and [01:16:04.240] they would literally be considered to be [01:16:07.040] a superhuman. [01:16:08.480] Like they would literally be [01:16:11.040] I mean, people would probably think they [01:16:12.160] were a deity or a [01:16:13.760] or a spiritual leader or something. [01:16:15.040] Well, if one person could do remote [01:16:16.960] viewing [01:16:17.480] >> was that it seems to be an act action [01:16:21.120] that [01:16:22.320] is just part of the human makeup. [01:16:24.760] And so it isn’t like they’re super deity [01:16:27.120] or god-like or really off the charts. [01:16:30.280] It’s something that people can learn to [01:16:31.720] do, like they can learn to play the [01:16:33.000] piano or whatever it is for whatever [01:16:35.120] reason. Maybe it was a skill set that [01:16:37.320] anyone [01:16:37.840] >> new uh [01:16:39.120] you know, psychiatrists and [01:16:40.680] neurophysiologists [01:16:42.320] beginning to study, you know, how does [01:16:44.320] consciousness do its thing in the brain [01:16:47.160] and so on and [01:16:48.640] are there elements of it once you get [01:16:51.080] into quantum theory and quantum [01:16:52.720] entanglement that would say you could [01:16:54.800] have evidence, [01:16:56.840] you know, beyond just our physical [01:16:58.800] structure. [01:16:59.400] >> Like it could be rationalized with like [01:17:00.400] a quantum connection basically that that [01:17:02.400] the moving your mind’s eye to another [01:17:03.880] location which also goes to like, you [01:17:06.760] know, Hal’s life very interestingly, you [01:17:08.560] know, first was the Stargate stuff and [01:17:10.240] then he got into UAP and the overlap [01:17:12.960] that I find fascinating is some of these [01:17:15.360] craft that have been found or crashes [01:17:19.640] that have happened. [01:17:21.040] The reports from people involved say [01:17:23.240] that a lot of them don’t have any [01:17:24.960] control panels in them. Mhm. Like [01:17:27.040] they’re basically empty other than seats [01:17:29.280] which suggests that maybe there’s some [01:17:31.880] sort of mind connection controlling [01:17:34.440] these craft. I did wonder about the [01:17:36.240] crafts. So I thought, you know, if I was [01:17:37.240] an advanced civilization, why would I [01:17:39.280] and I was that small, why would I send [01:17:41.080] life to these planets when I could just [01:17:42.800] send the crafts? [01:17:44.640] You know, why am I sending biological [01:17:46.080] life when I could just send the Maybe [01:17:47.640] they’re manufactured biological life. [01:17:49.160] Maybe it’s maybe they’re the equivalent. [01:17:50.480] Maybe they’re not sentient. [01:17:52.160] Yeah. [01:17:53.320] It’s true. But the remote viewing stuff [01:17:55.720] opens up a lot of possibilities if Yeah, [01:17:57.960] I mean we as part of this CIA program, [01:18:00.720] we found that [01:18:02.200] people could [01:18:04.160] affect quantum devices that were [01:18:07.480] totally shielded by superconducting [01:18:09.280] shielding. Tell them Tell them that [01:18:10.960] particular story. That’s a Yeah, we we [01:18:13.640] uh [01:18:14.480] there’s a quote psychic so-called and uh [01:18:18.560] so I brought him to Stanford and I was [01:18:20.520] skeptical at the time and uh I said, [01:18:23.200] “Okay, well, we’ve got this super [01:18:24.880] experiment where there’s tiny quantum [01:18:28.400] chip down inside of this electrical [01:18:31.200] shielding, magnetic shielding, [01:18:32.920] superconducting shielding. We We to see [01:18:35.600] if you can affect it. [01:18:38.600] And he did. I mean, this is supposed to [01:18:40.440] be totally non-affectable [01:18:43.120] from by anything on the outside. In [01:18:45.320] fact, it was developed by the Navy to [01:18:48.040] just look for corks and stuff like that. [01:18:50.520] And so, it was supposed to not be [01:18:53.280] influenced from the outside by anything. [01:18:56.400] And he influenced it. And when I say he [01:18:58.200] influenced it, I’m not just saying [01:18:59.680] there’s a little blip that, you know, [01:19:01.840] you could kind of read into it. No, it [01:19:04.200] it was a system where [01:19:06.440] it ordinarily just had an oscillating [01:19:08.520] signal like that. And then when he [01:19:10.520] affected it, it just stopped the [01:19:11.840] oscillation. [01:19:13.560] And then he could also make the [01:19:14.800] oscillation go twice as fast. Of course, [01:19:17.240] for a graduate student whose life [01:19:18.640] depended on this not being [01:19:20.560] affected from the outside, you know, [01:19:22.000] really. [01:19:23.320] But then they uh they [01:19:25.200] that that that raised a big issue for [01:19:27.000] them. That means uh gee, does that mean [01:19:29.080] if we put if we hide our documents [01:19:31.640] inside of superconducting safes, uh the [01:19:33.960] Russians might be able to [01:19:35.920] So, actually when we had detente, the [01:19:38.600] American remote viewers got together [01:19:40.600] with the Soviet remote viewers and [01:19:42.360] traded war stories. [01:19:44.480] Did experiments together for You know, [01:19:47.320] I’m I think I’m naturally skeptical cuz [01:19:49.120] I’m skeptical with all things, but I’m [01:19:50.560] often proven wrong. [01:19:52.360] So, you know, my fiance, she um she [01:19:54.680] believes lots of things I don’t believe. [01:19:56.040] And so so frequently she’s been proven [01:19:57.880] right in those things that I remain [01:19:59.560] open-minded [01:20:01.560] to things in life [01:20:03.400] cuz I’ve learned to. [01:20:05.320] So, I think that’s where I remain. I [01:20:07.000] remain open-minded. [01:20:08.960] And I think on the balance of [01:20:09.880] probability, if you ask me, do I think [01:20:11.720] there’s other life in the universe? I [01:20:13.000] think it would be crazy to say there [01:20:14.520] wasn’t. Right. Right. But it but [01:20:16.270] [clears throat] has there been life that [01:20:17.480] has arrived here that we’ve recovered? I [01:20:19.720] just I would need more evidence. Is [01:20:22.720] there [01:20:23.040] >> I I think I think that’s the right [01:20:24.440] attitude. And we’re hoping that uh with [01:20:27.360] the [01:20:28.920] release of documents that’s starting to [01:20:30.920] happen now, [01:20:32.400] that you’ll get that evidence, but in [01:20:34.440] the absence of actually [01:20:36.320] getting access to the evidence, it’s [01:20:38.280] very reasonable that to be skeptical. [01:20:40.920] Yeah, absolutely. [01:20:41.560] >> I do think though that [01:20:43.400] the current administration in the US [01:20:46.400] is so focused on following through with [01:20:48.840] this directive the president gave to [01:20:51.160] to get [01:20:52.360] all the evidence within the possession [01:20:53.960] of the federal government, all different [01:20:55.680] agencies, military branches, and then [01:20:57.640] figure out what can be declassified. I [01:20:58.720] think they’re taking it so serious that [01:20:59.920] we’re going to we’re going to get to [01:21:01.200] more tranches of more meaningful [01:21:02.520] evidence. And I think eventually we’ll [01:21:04.040] get to that thing that we that moment [01:21:06.400] that we’ve all only seen in movies where [01:21:07.840] a sitting president steps to a [01:21:09.040] microphone and tells the world we’re not [01:21:10.360] alone in the universe. I think I think [01:21:11.800] we’re going to get there. [01:21:13.640] I think so, too. [01:21:16.760] Just a matter of time. [01:21:18.480] Does it change the meaning of life if [01:21:19.960] that becomes the case? Does it Does it [01:21:21.600] mean anything for us as humans? [01:21:23.840] What do you think the meaning of life [01:21:24.960] is, How? And do you think it we should [01:21:26.520] change our behavior in any way even if [01:21:28.200] this [01:21:29.200] moment does occur? I think if we found [01:21:31.440] out that there were life throughout the [01:21:33.600] universe that it’s [01:21:36.320] it can be developed in all kinds of [01:21:37.920] forms [01:21:38.960] then then that makes us [01:21:41.440] take a new look at well, what does it [01:21:42.880] mean to be human? You know, we ought to [01:21:45.560] think about if we can interacting with [01:21:47.960] these other species and seeing what we [01:21:50.320] can learn from them and [01:21:51.880] what might they learn from us? And so, [01:21:53.800] it just opens up a whole new sort of [01:21:56.000] view of what the universe is like. I [01:21:59.160] mean, I’ve got I’ve [snorts] got 15 [01:22:01.040] grandkids. They should grow up in a [01:22:02.880] universe where it’s teeming with life [01:22:05.320] and they know that and that’s a very [01:22:08.400] kind of an exciting kind of thing. I [01:22:10.360] think it also could be the one thing [01:22:11.680] that could unify all of humanity. [01:22:14.120] You know, Reagan gave a great speech [01:22:15.720] during his presidency at the United [01:22:17.240] Nations where he said he often thinks [01:22:19.600] that it might be a threat from outside [01:22:22.320] this universe that makes all of humanity [01:22:24.720] come together and think more about what [01:22:26.160] it has in common than than its [01:22:28.200] differences. [01:22:29.640] Um and you know, it moves them past the [01:22:32.360] the the the conflicts of the moment. And [01:22:35.040] that might be, you know, wishful [01:22:36.520] thinking and might be naive, but it also [01:22:38.840] might actually be the one thing that [01:22:41.000] could that could line people up. How’s [01:22:43.160] it changed how you think about the [01:22:45.120] the meaning of life? Between what I’ve [01:22:47.120] learned about the the reality of the UAP [01:22:50.120] situation and the existence of non-human [01:22:51.880] intelligent life, what I’ve learned [01:22:53.120] about, for example, remote viewing, it’s [01:22:55.560] made me realize that our sort of Western [01:22:59.360] present-day view of reality is not [01:23:02.080] complete. You know, we think we know [01:23:03.960] everything there is [01:23:05.760] you know, to life and and how things [01:23:07.480] work and we just don’t. And when you’re [01:23:09.840] honest with yourself and you look back [01:23:10.880] at history, all the times people thought [01:23:12.320] that they were they were proven wrong [01:23:14.040] pretty quickly. [01:23:15.320] Right. And so it’s made me open to a lot [01:23:17.920] more possibilities um than than I would [01:23:20.680] have been just just 10 years ago. [01:23:23.800] Do you think it could be a a renaissance [01:23:25.560] in in our attitudes toward life and and [01:23:28.440] everything? Yeah. Are you both open to [01:23:30.600] being wrong? [01:23:32.120] Yeah, look, I should have said this [01:23:33.480] early on. When I first started making my [01:23:35.640] documentary, I was totally prepared to [01:23:38.600] have people tell me, “Look, this is all [01:23:40.280] It was all cover for our [01:23:42.760] classified projects.” Did they? No, no [01:23:45.120] one did. That was the crazy thing. Not [01:23:46.600] not a single person did. I would I was [01:23:48.760] trying to pull it out of people. I’d be [01:23:50.400] like, [01:23:51.560] you know, “Come on, this is really this [01:23:53.560] is like a black project then on an on [01:23:55.360] acknowledged special access program, [01:23:56.600] right? Like just just say nothing if [01:23:58.800] that’s the case.” And they’re like, “No, [01:24:00.360] dude. Not not even close.” Like it was [01:24:02.920] over and over and and these weren’t [01:24:04.440] random people. These were really senior [01:24:06.480] people on the Senate Intelligence [01:24:07.400] Committee, on the Senate Armed Services [01:24:08.800] Committee, um [01:24:10.720] leaders in in the intelligence [01:24:12.120] community, leaders in in in the [01:24:13.920] military. And so, [01:24:16.160] yeah. [01:24:17.200] It’s hard to ignore. Yeah. Well, [01:24:19.400] Trump has released the first round of [01:24:21.120] the UAP reports. Um so I guess in many [01:24:24.160] respects this conversation is to be [01:24:26.200] continued. Yeah. Yeah. And we we we have [01:24:28.480] been told by our friends in government [01:24:30.000] that the next tranche of evidence is [01:24:31.920] likely to come out in the next 30 days [01:24:33.640] or so. And it’s going to be a rolling [01:24:36.000] declassification process. So there’ll be [01:24:38.400] a lot more to talk about in the near [01:24:39.560] future. Thank you so much for your time. [01:24:41.680] Really appreciate it. I feel very [01:24:43.600] curious. Yeah. Very very curious and I I [01:24:46.120] highly recommend people go check out [01:24:47.200] your documentary. I’m going to link it [01:24:48.120] below. Um and I think one of the great [01:24:50.640] things about the documentary is the [01:24:51.960] diversity of people you’ve spoken to [01:24:53.880] including Marco Rubio who is what now [01:24:55.400] working alongside President Trump and [01:24:57.200] many others including yourself Hal. Um [01:24:59.360] and other guests that I’ve like people [01:25:00.640] like Jay who um I hope to speak to you [01:25:02.360] sometime soon. Cool. Thank you for [01:25:04.440] having us and thank [clears throat] you [01:25:05.240] for bringing attention to interesting [01:25:07.000] topics like this. I really do think [01:25:09.160] you know, you know, people like you are [01:25:10.920] are helping open people’s minds. You [01:25:12.480] know, in the past we only had you know, [01:25:14.280] it wasn’t that long ago there’s only [01:25:15.320] four TV networks, right? And a small [01:25:18.120] group of legacy media people controlled [01:25:19.720] what people thought about really. So [01:25:21.400] people like you are opening up [01:25:22.920] everyone’s minds to other possibilities [01:25:24.600] and other information and so thank you. [01:25:26.120] >> Yeah, it’s it’s it’s interesting cuz [01:25:29.720] again so sometimes I I think I have to [01:25:31.160] remind the audience of like why I do [01:25:32.360] what I do and why I pick the subjects [01:25:34.040] that I pick. But it’s honestly just what [01:25:35.720] I’m curious about. And if if something [01:25:38.120] rises in public curiosity and it’s in my [01:25:40.320] my curiosity then I’ll speak about it. [01:25:41.840] It’s not an endorsement of me believing [01:25:43.840] everything. It is just me wanting to [01:25:46.000] learn more. Yeah. And I you know, I I [01:25:48.280] wish we lived in a society that was more [01:25:50.000] open-minded generally to the people on [01:25:51.560] the other side of the aisle or to [01:25:53.040] subjects that are currently considered [01:25:54.840] to be I don’t know, controversial or or [01:25:57.520] or not because you know, it’s not lost [01:25:59.480] on me that my own very existence as a [01:26:02.600] black businessman [01:26:04.720] is in of itself um something that was [01:26:06.840] once a very controversial idea. [01:26:09.120] And so I’m all for you know, [01:26:11.600] uh controversial ideas being having some [01:26:14.040] kind of space to be [01:26:15.320] >> Every major breakthrough in the history [01:26:17.400] of humanity came from someone being [01:26:19.040] curious, right? And wanting to learn [01:26:20.640] about something they weren’t aware of. [01:26:22.240] So, I I think great things will come out [01:26:24.280] of it. And and and you just touched on [01:26:25.680] something we didn’t mention, which is I [01:26:27.640] found, shockingly, that this is the the [01:26:30.320] UAP issue, non-human subtle life, is the [01:26:32.480] most bipartisan issue in Washington, [01:26:35.120] D.C. At a time when Democrats and [01:26:37.200] Republicans in the United States can’t [01:26:38.480] agree on anything, they’re completely [01:26:40.520] lined up on this being the biggest issue [01:26:42.520] of our time. Extremely significant. And [01:26:45.320] like that says a lot, too, you know? [01:26:47.240] Yeah. [01:26:47.920] To be continued. [01:26:48.520] >> To be continued. YouTube have this new [01:26:50.320] crazy algorithm where they know exactly [01:26:52.480] what video you would like to watch next [01:26:54.440] based on AI and all of your viewing [01:26:56.280] behavior. And the algorithm says that [01:26:58.600] this video is the perfect video for you. [01:27:01.760] It’s different for everybody looking [01:27:02.920] right now. Check this video out, I bet [01:27:05.200] you you might love it.

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