James Fowler & “Billy” (Prime Truth) — Yemen UAP Hellfire video analysis and the “Class X” (Class 10 / Tesseract) (15 Sep 2025)
Source: “Pro Video Analysis and Research for Prime Truth” channel. Host “Billy” (video analyst) in conversation with James Fowler (Skywatcher technologist). Title: “Yemen UAP Discussion and New Class of UAP Found” (the “Class X” = Roman-numeral 10, i.e. the Class 10 “Tesseract”). URL: https://youtu.be/oNj52BX11XE (2025-09-15; ~58:51). Captured: 2026-07-01. OpenAI Whisper (whisper-1) via scripts/speech_to_text_remote.py; merged into timestamped paragraphs, verbatim (Whisper’s run-on capitalization retained). Two speakers (Billy hosts; Fowler analyzes) — not diarized. Provenance only. Analysis: fowler-skywatcher-technologist. What this is: a frame-by-frame technical analysis of the Yemen UAP “Hellfire orb” video released at the September 2025 House UAP hearing (the Burlison-presented MQ-9 Reaper footage; see burlison-reaper-yemen-orb-2025-09-09). It is a companion to the Fowler/Skywatcher batch: fowler-reed-summers-emergent-dogwhistle-part1-2026-01-27, fowler-vonrennenkampff-sol-foundation-dogwhistle-2025. Their argument, from the imagery:
- Prosaic/balloon read is hard to sustain (their case): the Hellfire’s rocket burns only ~1-2 seconds then glides, so its terminal energy is limited; they see no significant IR heat peak at impact (expected for a detonation or a hot prosaic target); the object measures ~15-20 ft long by ~1.5-3 ft wide; and they argue a Mylar skin large enough couldn’t be heavy/rigid enough to bend as sharply as observed and to deflect the missile. Post-impact it does not “ribbon” like a falling balloon, nor behave like chaff (which would flip/scatter); the fragments look carbon-fiber-like.
- Subsidiary objects ejected. They note smaller objects released from the craft at/after impact that then move among each other in ways they call “incongruent with prosaic items, unless it has its own power” — the same releasing-subordinate-objects dynamic tied elsewhere to the alleged “Marsupial” label (cf. coulthart-realitycheck-qa-2025-12-21).
- The “new class”: Fowler identifies the ejected objects’ morphology as matching Skywatcher’s Class 10, the “Tesseract” — described as amorphous, changing shape and color, with a white “spike” pointing in the direction of travel — which he says had not been publicly announced before. This is the “new class of UAP” in the title (Class X = 10).
- Threat framing: Fowler notes if such an object was over the ocean and engaged by an MQ-9/Hellfire, similar objects are reported “from Europe through the Americas,” raising the question of the same over populated US airspace. Weight: speculative video analysis of a single low-provenance “dead drop” clip by a commercial-UAP-venture technologist and an independent analyst; they repeatedly concede “there’s nothing definitive we can pull out of this.” The classification/Tesseract claims inherit the unverified status of the Skywatcher taxonomy (see the Skywatcher page).
[0:00] All right, so let’s get started. I’m here with James Fowler. Hi James James and I have known each other for about six months now he’s been in the UAP space for a lot longer than I have just Based off of things that he’s been doing in the past with his background and all the technology that he’s involved with I’ve been in it for about a year and a half just doing the video analysis and everything that you everybody’s seen Online of what I’ve been putting out I’m starting to put out more and more information as we get more data and I start to actually You know build out a web of a network of people that I work with out in this in this this realm right this field and it’s helping me kind of you know meet folks like James and work with guys like this that just have a really solid background and an ability to bring years of
[0:46] Experience to the table to help us figure out what we’re seeing because we’re just getting information drops, right? This video that we’re going to talk about here is from the latest UAP hearing It was a dead drop. So we have no evidence or we have no idea. What what’s the Background on it where it came from. We have some details, but it’s a dead drop. So we’re You got to take it for what it is. But one of the things that always surprises me Which is incredible is when we get Information dropped on us like this and even if it’s you know, here’s the video here even if it looks blurry the amount of information you can tease out of the data is phenomenal and We’re gonna get into that James really did some digging here and made some significant observations So we’re gonna we’re gonna kind of talk through that and then just try to get an understanding of what we’re looking at here because this one is truly unique and When James and I were talking about this when it first came out we saw something in there. That was
[1:43] Really fascinating to the both of us because it kind of ties What he’s seen in the past and what I’ve seen in video To this so there’s a there’s a little bit of a correlation as far as what we’ve seen in the past and what was presented here this last week, so Well, let me let me turn it over to you James if you want to say, you know Kind of get started with with the video and kind of what you’re thinking what your thoughts are Yeah, sure. Of course. Well nice to be on your channel. Happy to be here and Meet your viewers if you will So so this got dropped obviously during the UAP hearing In the house a couple I guess now it’s been three or four days
[2:25] days ago, so there’s a been a lot of speculation and a lot of Analysis, I would say just generic analysis done against this video and I would have to offer at the end of the day There’s nothing definitive. We can we can pull out of this. We can pull out generalities concepts We can understand more about what we’re looking at But because this is a screen recording of Of a video a lot of data is cropped out. I think this may be a Daylight video, so there’s no There’s very limited data. We can pull out of perhaps in we’re which is why I think we’re looking at So at the end of the day, we won’t be able to tell you definitively Hey, this is what it is or it isn’t but we can for sure draw correlations and understanding Deeper understanding of what we’re looking at and in eliminate some possibilities as well as gravitate towards more conclusions So really happy to sit here and and kind of go over step-by-step what we’re what we’re thinking that we’re looking at what it means to us and
[3:24] What it means to the UAP community as well as humanity So yeah, I think that’s what we do. All right, let’s just let’s kind of go through Almost like how I operate just we’ll look at the video. We’ll kind of talk through it what we’re seeing Observationally, we’ll make the make the points make the grit the big points the finer points and we’ll just continue to build on it as we Do that. So first thing we’ll do is just go in and literally just add a little bit of contrast so we can just see more of the Details on the the finer edges in the video. That’s basically the first step And then I’ll add a little bit of a D haze in there, which then will Also help bring through a little bit more detail. So I don’t do anything with AI We’re just like I said, we’re kind of crunching in the contrast line so we can see the details but and the separation between all the objects in there and Sometimes when I had D haze it adds a little bit of color, which we don’t want because this is not a color This is infrared probably long wave or short wave Not sure
[4:25] Yeah, it looks looks like middle wave infrared to me, but but I could be mistaken And I think standard on those on those ship sets may be Short wave and middle wave but but again, I’m not a pred pilot so I could be mistaken on that as well. Okay, I Assume this is laser Yeah, laser laser does and I think it’s important like we can go over kind of the facts that we know You know, we’re told that this came off of off of an MQ 9 Reaper. We’re also told that this happened in off the coast of Yemen and We know the recording shows that at 30 October 2024 and from the North seeking arrow on the on the imagery we can see that the The azimuth is more or less 300 degrees magnetic south to north and northwest So those are things we can pull out of the video kind of its facts everything else after that is assumptions or conclusions So, you know as as Billy starts playing this we’re gonna be able to tease out some of the assumptions we have here Such as this the speed we have no way of knowing the speed of this craft If it’s if it’s standing still it’s moving to me. It looks like it’s moving
[5:40] Right to left but hard to say with with any veracity and I don’t think anybody can say with any with the information We have now if it’s actually moving and at what speed it is moving Something else to note is this is probably a two ship setup for the shot The the video we’re looking at now is the observation ship set and then the other airframe is off-camera I believe probably providing the the shot To impact where the laser is pointing. So So with that Billy, you know, what did I leave out of there you want to add? Well that that’s actually interesting you brought that up because that’s that was one thing that I had noticed and I didn’t really know Why but if this is the Hellfire it it very clearly is coming from out of frame So that would indicate like you said a two two ship shot or two ship setup and I’m assuming the reason why it looks like it’s moving so slow is because it’s a lot of the speed is in Moving away and towards the target not, you know lateral or cross frame
[6:39] Right. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You can’t You know those the the Hellfires apparently fly up to Mach 1.3 This is only perhaps at 12,000 feet MSL where they’re firing this at so the fact that it’s moving moving out very quickly is kind of lost with the parallax and Just this to view I think it is it does look slow to me, but I think that’s an artifact of how it was recorded Okay All right And then if we just get right into it, right here’s here’s the most important part the point of impact So one of the things if it’s if this is in infrared, right it’s detecting heat looks like it’s white hot I Would assume there’d be a massive flash if there was a detonation I think that’s the one thing that most people are saying is that they’re not seeing that they’re not actually seeing a detonation
[7:32] What one thing Billy that you’re also not seeing So if you if you kind of go back and forth on the missile inbound Hellfire missiles only fire the rocket for one to two seconds after that leaves the rail. So the rest of the time it’s in a glide Control glide. So normally on manned aviation or rocket motors, you can see a contrail in infrared So you’re not seeing a contrail on the rocket, which is expected, but you’re also not seeing a contrail on the target So that’s actually a clue that this probably isn’t a a gas powered engine Capability that we’re looking at this being targeted in this instance Gotcha All right, so that’s Now you’re talking balloon, right if it’s just a if it’s just out there floating
[8:19] Yeah, if it’s prosaic, I think I think it would be a balloon target of some type Although we can get into it into that. I think it’s important to note based on you know, Mick West There’ve been a few others who’ve done the trigonometry and said hey this thing’s probably at about flight level 120 or 12,000 feet in Which we concur with we’ve done the math as well and analyze that it does look like it’s somewhere around 12,000 feet And then the MQ 9 that’s watching this happen is is somewhere between 20 24,000 feet and 26,000 feet depending. So So this angle we’re looking as actually it’s not straight down it’s not near or directly over actually looking down perhaps a 45 degree angle from the Drone from the Reaper down at this target and we’re probably about three three and a half miles away ground a distance and Slant range are about five nautical miles away from the target. So so think about you know, the look angle as you’re looking at this Billy mentioned as being a balloon. Well, you’re not seeing a typical
[9:20] high altitude or even micro high altitude or even a low altitude balloon where you have the The bottom that’s a point kind of like a light bulb You’re not seeing that part This looks more like a dirigible or some other configuration if it were a balloon So that’s important to note of what you can and cannot see here and what you expect to see based on on the prosaic Explanations of what this could be. Hmm. Yeah, it kind of if it was going to be a balloon It kind of reminds me of fat Albert down in the Keys. They have that one Sky, it’s just a I guess it’s just an aerial platform. That’s just shooting radar and Doing surveillance over the over the whole key keys area, so it would be kind of like that shape
[10:02] So this is so just real quick to touch on this part, right This is a zero detonation and very clearly the rocket or the missile continues on after hitting it So it has not exploded and just from a scientific standpoint. We take a measurement right down here This is this is the scopes this measures the amount of luminosity in the entire frame. So if we spread this out It will basically match what the overall frame is So this peak right here, wherever I put my little pointer that’s showing where on the actual waveform It’s identifying the level of luminosity. So right up here. This is actually the brightness of the actual Object that we’re looking at and as this comes in you can actually see When there’s the impact There’s actually a reduction in luminosity
[10:56] and if this was a Detonation there’s going to be a lot of heat. It’s going to be an energetic energetic Action, so I would assume we would see a pretty significant peak right here as the as it came in and left Yeah, that’s interesting I wonder if this were something prosaic like a balloon if that can be representative of the skin From perhaps out of Sun view being rotated into the top of the airframe so that so it’s cooler perhaps, but You know, I’d be based on a balloon concept But it is fascinating that that the luminosity changes and impact instead of increasing even even with a hit Explosion, I would expect More luminosity in frame. That’s that’s interesting. Yeah And then you look at the action, right So this is coming in this this missiles coming in with a lot of kinetic energy right now
[11:53] There’s there’s two types of hellfire. I think right? there’s one that actually does detonate and there’s another one that has blades that basically pop out and Are used to just I think there’s many deviations of different types of hellfires. I’m not a hellfire guy It’s not my my craft or my backgrounds, but but I I agree that there’s kinetic Capabilities and then there’s and then there’s You know non-explosive that’s a major point, right? If it’s if this is a hellfire missile and it is it’s one of the ones that do explode Then hitting something very soft and passing through it probably won’t ignite it Or it could be Basically one of those just kinetic style weapons that just this punches through whatever it hits with a lot of force to do all the damage now what what’s interesting and What I see here between these two frames, right, so this is a 30 frame per second video
[12:49] So basically what that’s saying is between this frame and this frame It’s 1 30th of a second, right and there’s a lot happening in that really short amount of time the object itself What did you calculate it out to be size-wise? well, actually what can you go forward a little bit so that we can see the missile one when it when it has the I think the missile actually shows itself out of the The the plume that is there from the bleed over right right there. Yeah, so if I’ve looked at a lot of images of different things in middle wave and shortwave infrared and when you’re looking at say an airliner Sometimes an infrared it’ll just be a blob It won’t have edges and won’t have any shape to it and that’s because of the reflectivity a lot of times of the Sun Where where it’s it’s just
[13:44] Making it impossible to make it out without going to Electro-optical or daylight camera. So I think one of the clues we have here Is that right here in this frame for the next, you know, two seconds? Basically, I think you’re seeing the actual missile itself underneath the the the the blob of the infrared that that’s unviewable and I think that’s because the missiles in a turn and And basically the Sun is shifting relative to how we’re looking at it, so Yeah, I don’t think the complete I don’t think the missiles white and I could be wrong and I don’t think that that full Image is actually the missile. I think it’s shorter. I think the black is more representative of the actual missile itself so what we did is we took or we I took the Missile length as you see it there on the screen. We know these missiles are typically somewhere between 64 inches long and they’re only about 7 inches wide In diameter, so we took that and and use that as a unit of measure
[14:47] Chopping off some of the white which is probably just blob IR Blur if you will and then we measured the yeah and then we measured the the actual craft the the target itself and came up with more or less a size of 15 to 20 feet long by one and a half to three feet wide So the balloon the UAP whatever it is it was impacted the target is somewhere between like I said a foot and a half to three feet wide and 15 to 20 feet long based on on those measurements now those those could be grossly inaccurate We could be mistaken I could be mistaken and and in what I just stated about the black product being the actual missile as Well as this could not be a hellfire We don’t know no one’s made a declarative statement that this is a hellfire and therefore Our measurements could be wrong. So So take it with a giant grain of salt That we’re talking about as big as 20 feet long by 3 feet wide ish In terms of proportions that we’re looking at here So when you talk about the movement of the nose, if you will the the the forward facing the part facing the incoming missile
[15:58] Deflecting on impact, you know deflectability. I think you measured somewhere between five and six feet more or less Deflection. Yeah Yeah, it’s a it’s pretty significant and it’s instantaneous. So a lot of energy was imparted to this object from the from the missile itself. So Definitely a deflection not a detonation as far as everything that we’re looking at here from a luminosity standpoint And you know just in the movement of everything so the question that becomes and this is where I get a little confused with the amount of people that are that are really Heavy on the balloon aspect of this This Has to be a rigid body that’s the only way that you’re going to have the the object itself stay together because you can see it’s it still has its form right here and It’s moving, you know, six five six seven feet over to here. So it’s rotated 45 degrees after being hit by Basically the equivalent of an SUV driving at 180 miles an hour. I think is the kinetic impact
[17:03] When I when I did the calculation on if it was a Hellfire missile just based on weight and speed potential speed so Like James said grain of salt, but it’s a lot of energy Right. The thing is it’s designed to go break stuff, right? These missiles are just designed to destroy so it’s gonna it’s gonna hit hard and it very clearly does so it imparts a lot of energy into this and Really moves it so From what I don’t know James if you agree with this or not, but what I’m seeing here This is a rigid object. If this was a like a latex balloon or a mylar balloon it’s not going to have the rigidity to take an impact and actually deflect a missile and Move itself. It would just stay in place and it would just get a whole punch straight through it Yeah, that’s that’s what I would expect on the missile itself I took actually a straight edge and put it on screen and went frame by frame and
[17:58] The missile does deflect as well after the impact or during the impact It only deflects a couple degrees call it two or three degrees a little bit to the up position if you will a more Horizontal and you see kind of curved back around I’m assuming It’s it’s in a control. It’s flight control surfaces are trying to correct to some measurement, but you definitely see both the the the target object and the missile deflect from the impact which which again is Very interesting. I would expect with the balloon specifically a latex balloon I would expect this to pop much like the the Chinese balloon did when we shot that one down Was that what the hellfire and you know, I didn’t do my homework. That was a sidewinder Sidewinder. Okay, so You know that one that one just literally popped like any balloon you would expect and that was a high-altitude balloon. So So it was the way it just disintegrated our impact, you know, you’re not seeing this here Furthermore if this were a mylar balloon maybe filled with helium or hydrogen perhaps it could have this effect
[19:03] But it’s it’s you know, I just don’t see Mylar being used in a 20-foot long balloon that three feet wide being really heavy I just don’t see a way in which the skin could be heavy enough to to cause it to Bend like this as fast and hard as it did and also deflect that missile Like I would expect the missile just you know, just like like a minivan just drive straight through it Like it’s not even there. So I find that highly anomalous or incongruent with what I would expect again I’m not a missile expert. How many aerial targets have I blown up the answer to zero? So and and I don’t know how many pilots I haven’t found one yet that could say yes I’ve shot up an aerial target that was a balloon with a hellfire and and and here’s the imagery that’s unclassified And we’re reviewing it and match this
[19:47] And I would have expected pilots like that to speak up and to date. I’ve met nobody that’s that’s made that point. Okay? sweet We we could go over some of those images of what the target could be like the target sock the target drone And the balloons if you want, okay, let’s just let’s just hit this real quick Yeah, so this is I went and took some shots of the actual Chinese balloon They got blown up a little while ago and this was hit with the sidewinder and you can see right here We have the two frames from the object that we’re talking about when the UAP hearing So this is right before it got impacted and then right after it. This is what I would expect from a you know I’m looking at this kinetically energetically How is it going to behave and this is what I would believe a balloon would do right because it’s very lightweight. It’s extremely
[20:38] Weak, I guess is really the best way to say it It’s not a rigid object. If you punch it, it’s gonna deflect if you throw a baseball at it It’s gonna bounce into it and bounce out of it If you shoot a missile at it, it’s gonna pass right through it and there’s gonna be zero movement on the overall object So when I look at this and I look at this just you know Without even having the experience of shooting missiles at things to me from a kinetic standpoint I’m just looking at the pure physics of it a Balloon just isn’t going to move like that. It’s not going to move five six feet in a in 130th of a second Like that I just don’t see that as a even a possibility right and then and then even to take enough energy out of the missile That’s coming in to redirect it. So It’s this is an extreme extremely energetic situation There’s a lot of energy getting passed between The object that’s flying the UAP and the missile itself The object that was the object the UAP was staying together, right?
[21:38] And to me, this is a rigid object and now they do talk, right? I see a lot while it does get kind of flappy in the end after it takes the impact right if we watch if we watch it as It comes off of screen, right? So it starts to turn into what appears to be almost like a like a blanket right like you like you would expect a Maybe a non-flexible balloon, right something that is like an old-school Dirigible style where it’s just it is just this size and it’s the shape and you just fill it up and you pressurize it to like just a couple psi and The problem is even after this and you go further down the road What I don’t understand is how is it continuing to maintain a shape it almost seems like it returns back to And this is far away and I know it’s far away. But the fact that it doesn’t turn into
[22:41] What should be I imagine something that’s just falling out of the sky It should turn into almost like a ribbon as it’s falling right because just aerodynamics is gonna is gonna pull on it But we don’t see that here You know Billy it’s interesting is post-impact you know the the camera operator sensor operator was zoomed in on the target for the impact and then Zoomed out not to lose it but didn’t at least in this video return back into an enhanced zoomed-in image Which may mean that post-impact the target was splashed. They didn’t care anymore mission accomplished, right? We don’t know that because one we weren’t there and two we don’t have any information To corroborate any story on this that is telling it in itself that you have to zoom in and enhance to see it now Rather than having the system operator using, you know 10 20 30 X optical zoom to look at it like they were before the impact So again, like as we talk about prosaic nature or lack thereof
[23:39] That’s a clue perhaps that that maybe mission accomplished. I would think if we’re shooting down a UFO that operator would be intimately Interested in understanding what they’re looking at and whoever’s driving them on whatever jock or talk floor or Operation center would be telling the operator to zoom in and let them see it again And for all we know that happened after this recording perhaps, but it didn’t happen right now, which is interesting Yeah, it may also point to the fact that it’s if it was in a forward flight Moving to the north as it looks like it is By Northwest perhaps they’ve zoomed out to see what happens so they don’t lose sight of it So really like there’s no there’s no way to know or to peel this back, but I think you have to take both thought lines into consideration of Motivation and why they’re operating the way they’re operating post impact. Yeah, that’s a really good point When you just think about behavior, right because behavior is all part of it, right initially. It’s
[24:36] We got to blow this thing up and then like you said mission accomplished now It’s just back out and just see what’s what’s happening. And and then also like you said, this is a very short very short video So there’s probably a lot more that went on before this and probably after it I Think it’s important to note that post impact the target did descend You know If if if the crosshairs were left in the same spot as in the as in the system operators Letting it drift off screen so they can see it not occluded by the crosshairs You’ll you’ll see the objects and and the other objects that that were ejected from it. You’ll see it in a descent initially It does look like it levels out later on in the flight again. We don’t have enough information to know for sure That’s just based on general observations, but really, you know Really hard hard to say and certainly not definitively, but right there you’re seeing I think descend As a system operators moving the I think manually perhaps moving the the crosshairs to keep it in frame, okay
[25:43] Yeah, if they weren’t moving the crosshairs then it’s just literally falling out of frame which would be Loss of altitude I would assume right? Yeah, I would assume so okay, I mean it certainly looks unstable looks almost like a trash bag floating in the wind right there Yeah But it like you said it does change from the blanket trash bag balloon look to actually spheroid Later on and looks like it actually has horizontal lift. So Horizontal flight, excuse me. Yeah, it’s certainly strange and You thought you got to think through with the material science, too So it’s like how could this be? How could this be a a rigid object which I truly believe it is based off of just these two frames Keep hammering that the balloon theory thing really bothers me. It could be a balloon, but maybe it’s a balloon made out of some
[26:34] Incredible material, right? The first thing that came to mind was carbon fiber I very quickly went out and to see if I could find what carbon fiber looks like when it gets broken Essentially, right so you take carbon fiber. It’s just laid it just it’s just layers of glass Essentially or carbon, you know carbon filaments and they get weaved together they get mixed in with a With a resin and it creates an incredibly strong rigid structure However that incredibly strong rigid structure once it gets compromised it basically turns into like a beach towel because all of the all of the molecules that are in there that keeps those those Filaments or the fibers locked in place once they Once they get destroyed I guess is the best way to say it then everything gets unlocked and then all you have are the fibers That are left behind So that’s and that’s where things get really interesting is because whatever this is it’s it’s either extremely highly advanced Maybe I don’t know. We’re just surmising but based off of its ability to take the impact of a missile Deflected state it’s somewhat intact afterwards
[27:50] That’s saying that this thing is extremely extremely strong. I think that’s like a minimum statement, right? Well, you know, you know Billy I kind of also think again material science and concepts I think if it was rigid if it was a hard structure like a drone target used by the Navy I think we would have seen debris blown off with the missile impact. You probably seen an explosion and And like you’ve discussed like a balloon mylar or latex skin Wouldn’t probably deflect that violently and maintain a shape of some source while it does So in those winds with all those G forces We would probably expect to see more of just a ball of mess and the missile just punch punch right through so I think that that leans on the fact that this might not be a
[28:37] Either it might not be rigid or soft It might be a hybrid of some kind maybe a metamaterial. Maybe maybe it’s UAP. Maybe it’s got some some kind of weird Material science going on here where it’s behaving neither as a solid nor nor soft skin Very unique. So do you want to talk about the other things that they could it could possibly be because I know we were kind of going over like a Was it a so it was a sock right I’ve never heard of that Can you bring up that document I sent you and Kind of look out. Okay, there’s so so there’s a target sock that’s used by the Navy Again, that’s that’s just a piece of cloth on a tow line used to I believe shoot missiles at or or other things don’t really know, but that is something that is used in the sky for target practice of some kind or another, and I just note that that’s, I think, definitely what we’re not seeing. We don’t see a tow line, and as soon as you release these, I understand they just kind of crumple up and fall. And then the
[29:40] target drone further down, again, they look like their own missile. I’d expect a contrail out of these. It is a potential that this could be it, but I don’t, just don’t see it based on the fact that, again, this is a hard, you know, aluminum, I would assume, maybe carbon fiber, who knows, body, and I would expect a debris field immediately on impact, if not an explosion of the warhead based on the g-forces from the impact, because if it hit head-on, because it was oval-shaped on IR, which means that the front of the oval, I would assess as being the front, perhaps, if it were one of these objects. So you’re head on to one of these, I would expect an explosion or at least a large debris cloud, and that’s not present. And then if you go down a little bit
[30:24] further, you see a couple examples of balloons. On the left, you have the U.S. Navy launching a balloon, looks like some kind of reflector on the bottom of it, perhaps, and then on the right, I think that’s in India, and you see, interestingly, a small payload on that balloon. Now understand, these balloons cannot lift a lot, and you see both kinds. You see an oblong light bulb shape on the left, and on the right, you see a sphere-shaped balloon, both, I believe, out of latex. Again, I don’t think either of these signatures match what we’re seeing. We’re seeing, like I said before, more of a dirigible style balloon, which I can’t find any evidence on open source, and I know I couldn’t find anything that would explain that shape being used by friendlies or enemies in that size, certainly not tethered and out over the ocean. So really, it doesn’t quite pass the sniff test that, you know, if it’s a balloon, okay, what balloon is it? Who made it? Where’s the evidence of that balloon style existing? Because it’s
[31:26] certainly not anything we’re looking at right now on the screen, at least from my perspective. How about those aerogel? I think they were talking about aerogel, where it’s the vacuum-based system, where it’s not a balloon because it’s not pressurized with a lighter than air inside of it. It’s not helium or nitrogen, but it actually pulls a pure vacuum. Yeah, I’ve never seen one of those in real life, even represented as a real object in an operational sense, if you will, in an actual balloon. I’ve heard people speculate about it and speculate that perhaps the Tic Tac is an aerogel of some kind, and I did say perhaps this is an exotic material, perhaps this is something non-traditional that’s being targeted for reasons that we haven’t been told. So I don’t think that’s outside the realm of possible. I will note this is, if our measurements are right, which who the hell knows, you know, Tic Tacs are from my experience about 40 feet long, so this is about half the size of a Tic Tac. My measurements could be wrong. Perhaps our unit of measure taken out of
[32:36] the video is grossly undervalued, which would make it larger than we see, but I will say the Tic Tac matches the shape. It doesn’t match the size, but we’ve seen the Tic Tacs be bendable as well. So if this is not a prosaic object or an experimental craft of some kind that’s being splashed, perhaps it’s made out of an exotic material or perhaps it’s a UAP as observed by others. Yeah, and I think if it was aerogel, aerogel, it’s such a, it’s a very hard material, but if it got hit with a missile, I’m pretty sure it would just turn to dust. I don’t think it could deflect it like this did. You want to start talking about the items that were ejected? Yeah, yeah, I think that’s, I think it’s time to get into that because that’s really the the meat and potatoes of this whole thing. That’s the most interesting aspect besides the fact that we have an object that just took a major missile hit, deflected it, and is continuing to stay aloft and stay in a specific shape. The three things that came out of it, well, I think you
[33:40] say that one of them was already out and then two other came out afterwards, right? Yeah, let’s look at the video real quick and kind of go frame by frame and show that I don’t think that these objects necessarily were inside of the target. I think they were attached to or on the skin or immediately adjacent to the craft, the target, and you can see as Billy kind of plays it up here, you’re gonna see, okay, missile inbound. The crosshairs of the MQ-9 are kind of occluding the fact that one of the ejected items is underneath that crosshair, and you’ll see as the impact happens, you’ll see the UAP move sharply to the left, and then you’ll see three objects come into view. One of the objects is already in those crosshairs right there on the top left, and you’re going to see it kind of materialize, if you will, and kind of form up and be viewable. And the last one either came from underneath or was inside of. You kind of see a breach in the skin of the target, and you see perhaps something coming out of that skin, and with that escaping, you see what looks like
[34:49] could be one of them may have been inside, but perhaps it was underneath. Really, really no way to know that, but certainly the first one was either on the skin or attached to the front, and I find it very peculiar that the place where the impact happened, remember the UAP was in a slow turn before the impact, and it actually turned so that the one that was under the crosshairs was actually at the impact site. So that’s very interesting to see that that’s the case. Now, playing devil’s advocate, maybe that’s a piece of material being blown off on the impact, but we’ll get into it in a few minutes or momentarily why I think that’s less likely just based on the congruent same size and shape and lack of fluttering and looks like stabilized flight and movement of these things. So on the one hand, playing the prosaic hat, if you will, it looks like it was ejected off of the nose of this thing, and then going on the UAP slant, it looks like it was attached to the front, and that’s why I’m leaning as it looks like it was attached to the
[35:58] front. And again, I find that peculiar that it took the impact of the missile. Yeah, it’s hard to see. We’re getting into the low information zone, right? There’s a lot of noise in the video compression and everything, so we’re just really dealing with a lot of heavy contrast lines. So things could be hidden that we just don’t see, but I’m with you in the fact that this carrot or this part of the the the rectacle, right, it just it’s a little bit too bright right here for me when you compare it to the other ones. Billy, didn’t you measure these objects before and didn’t you have a pixel count for how big they were? Because I think that would be helpful to understand. That’s something that we can measure is, you know, how many pixels across they are. Yeah, I think it was like 30, it was like 34 pixels, 35 pixels. They
[36:55] were all the same size. They were identical in the amount of pixels. Mm-hmm. I think that’s useful to understand as well, because that kind of removes the possibility that this is just pixel blur, or that there’s edges that, you know, that basically they can’t be spinning or doing other things we’re not seeing. Yeah. Yeah, and they look very identical, right? Unusually so. So I mean it’s these, the way they present, they are pretty much three identical objects both in their behavior and in their shape and heat, right? Their thermal output. And white is hot, so we’re hot in the middle and we’re cold. I did spend a lot of time doing military free fall. Okay. And as such I have a lot of experience with night vision goggles and just my eyeballs, jumping out of planes at night and watching things spin and tumble in the sky from a moving object. And then I also have jumped out of a balloon more than a handful of times, as well as helicopters and a hover. So what I find interesting is, it’s not apparent that there’s any spinning or tumbling of these objects outside of
[38:08] perhaps for a frame or two on impact. They all look to have stable flight. Now if you jump out of a moving aircraft, or throw an object out of a moving aircraft that’s not being steered, you’re gonna see tumbling, you’re gonna see flipping and spinning. If you pull up, Billy, that document again, kind of look at other objects that might be in the sky, see a radar reflector there. Again, if you were to drop or drop that out of a balloon and that’s standing still or moving with the wind, I would expect to see it stay exactly as it is. When you jump out of a stationary object or an object moving with the wind, typically the first three to five seconds of free fall, you’re kind of stuck in whatever, with whatever inertia that you have when you left the object in the air until you get air resistance from falling. And then you can make changes or adjustments to start to see spins or flipping or whatever is going to happen. So I would expect that if these were radar reflectors attached to this this target, I’d expect to see them kind of stay where they’re at, riding whatever inertia
[39:12] was was provided from the missile impact, and then after three to five seconds see them start to spin and flip and do different things. Similarly with chaff, I would expect a lot of cheetah flips as we call them, movement in the sky, and I wouldn’t expect it to stay stationary or even move around amongst each other like we’re seeing here. And then the last thing to note is again, a mortar, if you were to drop a mortar or something with with fins on it from an object in flight or out of a balloon style scenario, and we’re basically riding the wind, again I would expect those to basically fall straight down. I would expect from the angle we’re seeing to see an elongated form shaped like a bomb, and unfortunately we’re not seeing that, and I certainly
[40:01] wouldn’t expect them to move amongst each other like we’re seeing here. That’s incongruent with prosaic items, unless it has its own power. Is this some kind of a next-generation powered air defense capability? I mean that’s about the only prosaic item I could expect this to be doing what we’re seeing, but I don’t know of the existence of that technology, nor I’ve ever heard it discussed. Yeah, and I would assume if it was if it was that, we wouldn’t be, and it was ours, we wouldn’t be shooting it down. Yeah, I would assume as much. Yeah. All right, so on this one, just to notice, what I did was I tracked on the object as it’s moving down down frame here, so we could see how the other, the ejected objects move in relation to it. So if the assumption would be, as you just mentioned, right, they should just kind of fall out and they would come down and then fall behind it as the wind took them, right? But the whole wind situation here is very unusual to, or it’s not unusual, but it’s difficult to
[41:05] kind of figure out because we don’t know what the forward speed of the object really is, right? Or if there is even forward speed. Were you able to figure that out at all when you looked at this? No, not at all. I mean, I have no opinion. My opinion is, I think it is moving from right to left, but really, you know, there’s too many variables here and not enough information to say with any definitive nature of what movement it has or doesn’t have. Other than right now, it’s in a descent from the impact, but like I said, later on, it looks like it does level out and fly level again. Yeah, in the last, you know, 22 seconds of the video, it does look like it maintains altitude, and it doesn’t appear to be tumbling like it is here. It seems to kind of reshape itself and stay as a circle again, and we can look at that again. But there’s some other pieces here that are of interest, and it’s these little white flash bits right here, right? So there seems to be three. Let me see if I can pull it up in here. You know, the three items that were ejected
[42:12] from the target are very interesting. That’s actually what brought me and Billy together on this topic, was Billy was doing some analysis on the video and zoomed in enhanced, and I said, oh my god, I’ve seen those shapes somewhere before. We should talk about this. So before that, I was like, ah, something prosaic, maybe something natural, you know, something, you know, it’s a balloon, who knows, maybe something, some new technology. But these three items are very interesting, not just the way they’re moving, but the way they’re shaped and how they present. Yeah, right here, very specifically, right here. So let’s see. So there’s several classes of UAP that we haven’t announced, haven’t
[42:53] announced publicly. This one is what we call the Class 10 or the Tesseract. Now, the Tesseract is amorphous. It changes shape a lot, changes colors a lot. I don’t know that changes shape, changes appearance. And the shape you’re seeing these things take looks a lot like the shape we’ve seen with the Tesseract. And we’ve seen this, these all the way from 2022 to 2025. And I think I’ve probably got over 100 videos of these in 15-20 minute long flights. And again, like everything else I’ve worked on, we have them EO or electro-optical, visual, middle wave, and shortwave, as well as on radar. So these are objects in the sky we’ve seen repeatedly. It’s one of the more interesting ones because you can see a black body. And the shape you’re seeing in this video matches very closely to what we’re seeing with these. Now, it’s also interesting, Billy, if you can go back to the Hellfire video, and you see all three of these objects appear to be moving towards the original target. Call it the mothership, call it the UAP, don’t think it’s a balloon. And
[44:07] you’ll notice all of them have a white spike pointing in the direction that I think they’re moving right now. They’re moving down. And then you’ll see later on as they kind of turn, they stay orientated towards the, call it the mothership. So as they fall in a descent, and then I believe enter into actual controlled flight, you’ll see you’ll see those spikes kind of point towards their movement. Now, that’s the same sign we see with the Class 10. And, Billy, if you back it up a little bit more, right, so you can see the four corners. That’s something else we’ve noted, is you see the four squares. The shape of the Class 10, I believe, is actually a cube. So six-sided cube,
[44:56] obviously. And it really does match very closely what you’re seeing there. And this is Billy’s rendition of, or version of, what we think the Class 10 looks like, more or less. And that’s kind of what we’re seeing here as well in this video. Again, this is what brought us together and made us really say, huh, this doesn’t seem prosaic. This doesn’t seem natural. The fact that all three objects have the same shape and have that center spike of energy or whatever it is pointing towards direction of flight or movement really, really is anomalous and different and makes us think that this isn’t something benign and normal. Yeah, when I saw that, it was a, I won’t say it was a eureka moment, but it was certainly a moment. It’s like, oh man, you gotta be kidding me. So I know what people are gonna say, why is this stuff so blurry, right? So here’s the thing. These things, they do not want to be seen. They are staying just as far away as they possibly can stay. And it puts them right at the absolute limits of the sensor systems that are being used to capture them. But
[46:06] the fact that they’re blurry and far away doesn’t detract from what we have right here. So the, the number of different hits that we have, and this was just me looking through one video that James sent me. And these are, these are all frames out of that one video where it was extremely similar to what we have here. And the behavior is like what James says, when these things are moving, these, these spikes are almost like, I’m, I’m just going to say they’re like plasma because they look like plasma to me because they’re just like puffs of energy that just pop out. And it feels like to me that they’re channeled between the, the edges, right? That’s why we always see the corners and they’re dark, right? Meaning they’re, well, this is, this is electro-optical. So this is actually color, right? This is a color, this was a color video that we pulled this out. So I would assume, and it could be incorrect, but if we had the, the color rendition of this capture, we would probably see some colors in the middle there. And if we can get that, that
[47:11] would be kind of a, okay, yeah, we got something pretty, pretty darn close to what we’ve been seeing in the past. So behaviorally, there’s, there’s a couple of these that are very clearly aligned to what we’re seeing in the Hellfire video. I don’t know if you can pull one up and kind of let people see a little bit more detail, cause this is a little bit small on the screen maybe for folks to see. But yeah, that one right there, pan to the right a little bit, please. This way, right there. So that right there. So, so that spike in this instance, that UAP was moving in the direction of the spike. It was moving up and then to the right. And you see the four corners. And what’s interesting is, a lot of times on the class tens, you see where his mouse is right now, the bottom left corner, you see it’s, it’s a bigger corner. So, and that’s a common appearance. Hard to say if, if that’s the angle that we can see
[48:05] it from. That’s, that’s common to have one corner bigger than the others. And again, I don’t know why that is, but that’s, that’s something unique that we see here. And I think we’re seeing that with the, with the Hellfire video as well. And there’s a lot more to be had. We’re not doing a class 10 work up here and kind of going over all the details. That’s why we’re not showing a video and we’re not showing the rest of the information because there’s some very interesting findings with the class 10. One thing I do want to point out with the class 10 is, the class 10 has been noted to be transported by other UAPs. This is interesting that we are seeing a shape congruent with a class 10 tongue from this object. And perhaps that means that this is a class 10. I would find it dubious to expect that that there’s just a prosaic occurrence happened here. A missile hits a enemy or unknown object in the sky and out pops objects that look just like the class 10. You see the lower right corner of that Hellfire missile
[49:08] does look kind of like a little bit bigger than the other corners. Again, that could be the angle, who knows. But definitely, definitely a lot of similarities. And the similarities, you know, can’t be a coincidence. Yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s definitely, definitely interesting. That’s one thing for sure. And I can tell you, if we were able to get the EO, and for, for folks, we always, we keep saying EO, EO is electro-optical. And all it means is it’s the visual spectrum. So it’s like using your, your phone on your camera or your camera on your phone, right? These weapon systems, they’re going to have a little bit more of an expanded range that they can see, they’ll go a little bit more into the ultra or the violet, ultraviolet and a little bit into the
[49:50] the infrared zone. Similar to how I’ve actually modified my personal camera to be full spectrum, which most of the astrophotographers will do to allow it to capture, you know, some additional wavelengths. So I believe most of the weapon systems that use EO have that expanded wavelength. So they can just get more, more information, more data. And, man, I knew if we could just get that for this, this, this UAP video that just came out of the hearing, we would know pretty quickly if it was one of these, these class 10s. Because there’s, the signature is very easy to see with the amount of colors that you see. It’s, it’s extremely energetic. They burst like little jets, right, as they’re moving. So it’s, it’s pretty, it’s pretty obvious when you see it in color. That’s, this is kind of a big deal in my mind, right? I mean, we’re, there’s a lot of supposition that we have to do because we just don’t have a lot of data. So we’re just going out, basically
[50:50] just going off of all the information that we’re seeing on the video, and what was talked about in the hearing. So there’s not a lot, there’s a little bit of data that was provided kind of in the data blocks in the side and the corners, which we’re able to use for some trigonometry for figuring out, you know, slant range and altitudes and that kind of stuff. So we did have some, some good information there. But for the most part, it’s, James, I don’t know if you feel the same way about this. This is just, it’s just adding more information to the total story that is kind of falling in line with what we’re seeing over and over again. I know for me, with a lot of people sending me videos, and I love getting the videos from everybody out there, it really helps me see patterns in the data, like the jellyfishes, right? The jellyfishes are my favorite one right now, because they show up in places that all kinds of other UAPs show up. But the
[51:41] fact that we’ve seen so many of them, and they’re all identical, adds more and more credibility to them being a true object in our air, right? They’re actually flying around the planet. And we’re starting to get in the same, you know, we’re kind of going down the same path with this now with the Class 10. We’ve, we’ve have other other recordings of it, both in radar and and optics. And now we have another one, right, that just came out of nowhere, that just dropped on us in the the hearing. So again, just more data, right? We’re correlating data, and it just helps build out the story. And I do think it’s important to note that I think the two truly anomalous things from the Hellfire video, number one is the way that the principal target reacted to the missile impact. I think that’s anomalous. I would love for folks more educated, perhaps with naval weapon systems or Air Force weapon systems, and experience perhaps shooting objects out of the sky with missiles, could perhaps they have more information to share on their
[52:46] observations. Perhaps somebody might have a video of a similar impact. We would love to hear and understand what prosaic target is used, what’s it called, who makes it. Are there similar videos showing such an impact from from a Hellfire missile? And then the second thing is the three items ejected from the principal target. I’ll call it the UAP and mothership. The three items ejected, again, where are those found? Who makes them? What objects are those if they are prosaic? I don’t think it’s efficient to say, oh that’s a balloon and that’s debris. I just I think we’ve shown that there’s a myriad of evidence that suggests it’s not the case, and I think really the burden is on the folks saying this is prosaic to show us the money, show us how this is prosaic, explain these four-cornered
[53:37] class 10 Tesseract lookalikes, explain the spikes facing the direction of flight, explain the deflection of the balloon. I am completely open to those things. We don’t have enough data yet to make any declarations or determinations, but we have anecdotal evidence and maybe perhaps more than anecdotal to say there’s something anomalous here that needs to be explored and discovered and discussed, and I would love for debunkers, as much as I cringe at saying the word debunker just because it denotes a lack of sincerity and effort, I would love for folks to show us items that look like this. Show us something like a balloon, if you will. Again, show us that shape. Where does it exist? Who’s blowing those up? Who’s making them? And then also the same thing for the class 10 perhaps. Because, you know, I would love to be wrong here. You know, I’m not married to UAPs. I’m very interested in the truth and pursuing the truth of things and understanding what’s in our skies and what threats they represent, if there
[54:41] is a threat. Because as is evidenced, if this thing was over the ocean and shot down by MQ-9 Reaper and Hellfire, could it not be over Wisconsin or New York? And the evidences that we have, we’re seeing reports from Europe through the Americas, a lot of North America, of similar objects, whether the jellyfish or Tic Tacs, in our airspace, in our skies, with manned aviation in vicinity ad nauseum. So, you know, I think there is a threat here of perhaps loss of life or impact with manned aviation and manned assets. So I think that’s the big question here. Was this a Houthi, Iranian-made weapon system? Was this a U.S., NATO assessment of a technology? Or was this anomalous activity in the airspace? And if it is anomalous, it matches the concepts we discussed, as well as presents the question of what threat does this represent to manned aviation, you know, operating at 12,000 feet MSL, which is well within controlled airspace when it is over land or near airports. Yeah. Yeah, my big question is, what is it doing, right? If it’s not something that we
[56:00] made or put up there, what is it doing, right? It’s doing something, because they’re not out there doing that, and for no reason whatsoever, it’s very clearly, it’s, they were on mission. So it’s, what is that? Is it protection, right? And like James said, I’m not married to the UAP thing either. I’ve, and I, same thing, I hate the word debunk, but there’s a lot of times where I’ll get a lot of videos and I have to explain to people that it’s, no, it’s really not something, it’s this or that. So I do try to teach people as well when they send me videos that, you know, this is the reason why this is what you’re seeing and why it looks like that, and this is what that is. And we did that tonight, right? I sent you a video off X of
[56:46] somebody filming what looked like a tic-tac, and I said, it sounds like they’re outside their car, but I didn’t analyze it. You pulled up and said, nope, they’re inside their car. It’s a reflection, and immediately we’re like, yep, that’s just somebody in their car not realizing that they’re filming an image that’s reflected off of their window. Yeah. So, you know. Yeah. Pepper’s ghost. That’s a pepper’s ghost trick. All right. So I think that pretty much covers it, James. I mean, it’s, you know, we talked about the impact, we talked about, you know, all the things kind of surrounding it that we, that our thoughts were, and then brought in the class 10. So now we know that that’s one of the classes of UAP that’s been seen by you guys. It’s just crazy. I mean, it’s just crazy. Yeah, it’s quite coincidental, to say the least. Yeah. So maybe we’ll get more information. Hopefully Congress or the
[57:39] executive branch can get some information released on this incident. Maybe some more imagery, maybe the other ship set that actually launched the missile, maybe their video is available, or maybe there’s EO available to conduct better analysis. If I were asking Congress to release data, that’s what I would ask for. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like I said, I’d love to have the EO for this one, because that would be, that would be pretty conclusive as far as matching it. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate your time, James. This was very informative, and like I said, I appreciate the openness and the willingness to talk about this and share what you’ve seen, because this is, this is before your Skywatchery days, so we’re digging into some archival footage that you have. And yeah, just, just getting more information, more data, and building the story. Okay, James. Well, thank you very much, and we’ll be talking soon. Great being here, Billy. Thank you for the discussion. Yep. I’ll see you. Bye. How stupid. Yeah, I know. So lame. Yeah, same problems.